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Looking for information on these relatives Thomas b 1817 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Millicent b 1821 Lambley, Nottinghamshire. children Mary 1848, Hannah 1850, Ann 1852, Jane 1851, Thomas 1855, John 1857 all born Ilkeston Derbyshire except Mary born in Codgor Park. Hannah married Herbert Bradley in 1871 in Ilkeston, Derbyshire they had three children Ada, Clara Jane, and George Herbert. Ada married Joseph Henry Knight in 1897 in ilkeston. Any help would be greatly appreciated
Bradley
Bonser
Knight
Plumb
Frost
Wilkes
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Hello and wecome to RootsChat
What kind of information are you seeking?
Which census do you have this family on?
Census, BMD?
Suz
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Thanks for the reply I am new at this.
I have traced them in the 1861, 1871, 1881 and 1891 census. I am looking for help in the 1851 and 1841 census. the names have been changed in Ancestory.com on the 1861 census, it was Thomas Boncall. I would like to find people that have these relatives in there family trees so I can expand on my tree also to find some living relatives.
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Hi
1841 census
Reed Pond House
Lambley
Nottingham
HO107/866/19
William Hogkinson 65 Farmer - plus family
Millicent Plumb 15 - Female servant
I will have a look for Thomas in 1841
Carol
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Hi again
In 1841 Thomas Bonser is living in Ilkeston aged 20, occupation Boatman and in the household of Jno Bradley & family also a Boatman.
HO107/189/1
Ilkeston
Carol
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me again
I don't know if you already have this information.
Millicent Plumb baptised 13.04.1823 to Saml & Mary Plumb, Stockr, at Lambley
Carol
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Thankyou very much. I don't have this I will be checking this out
Greg
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Hi Greg,
It looks as if Thomas Bonser jnr born 1855 is mistranscribed on the 1901 census as Thomas Herbert Bruser - living at 193 Nottingham Road, Ilkeston.
Paulene :)
P.S. If you look at the BT phone books on ancestry there were definitely Bonser's still living, and may still be, in Ilkeston fairly recently.
ADDED: I thought the name Bonser was familiar - my grandfather divorced and remarried, and the new wife's sister was married to a Frank Bonser from Ilkeston.
They did have a son, called Frank, who joined the Sherwood Foresters (my father's regiment - they were friends) Frank was posted to Thailand in WW2. He sadly died of dysentry, and he is rememberd on the memorial at Trowell Church. They lived at 2, The Forge, Trowell.
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Thank you very much for helping me, I have another question. Thomas Herbert Bonser in 1901 living at 193 Nottingham Rd Ilkeston I have traced him back in the 1891 census also how would you go forward trying to find his relatives I know the 1911 census is not out in England yet but how would you go about looking forward?
Again thank you
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Hi Greg
Possible marriage for Samuel Plumb
Samuel Plumb & Mary Green 04.07.1814 at Lambley
Also a few other children baptised to them at Lambley
Pamela Plumb 01.01.1815 - father FWK
Sarah Plumb 30.11.1817 - FWK
Samuel Plumb 09.01.1820 - FWk
Sally Plumb 25.02.1827 - Stockr
James Plumb 14.02.1830 - Stockr
Carol
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Hi Greg,
First to help you get to know the area, and how it changed, here are three maps, 1860s, 1880s and early 1900s - you can then compare them with a new one off the net.
I've just checked on rootschat and I think/hope it's ok to put a section on for you.
Will answer you question re checking forwards in the next post.
Paulene :)
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Number three:
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Greg, It is possible to pay a fee to view information from the 1911 england census provided you can supply a specific address:
A successful challenge under the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act has resulted in that from January 2007 The National Archives (TNA) has been providing an address search service on the 1911 census. Researchers are now able to pay for searches in the census from the TNA paid research service at a cost of £45 per address search. Personally sensitive information (eg Infirmity column) will be redacted (i.e. blacked out) from the census information given to the recipient. Please note that until the census is fully digitised searches can only be made using addresses and not surnames, and applications for searches must be made using the special online census search request forms available on TNA's web site. Full details on this plus the application form are available from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/1911census/?homepage=news
However, I think there might be a better way forward for you. I believe that the Ilkeston library has an index with suranmes (including all sorts of information like newspaper obituaries, articles, etc) AND I seem to remember that the names extracted from the 1914 Rates Book for Ilkeston are in this index - so you should be able to find an address for the Bonsers, Knights and Bradleys living in Nottingham this way.
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/leisure/local_studies/local_studies_libraries/local_libraries/ilkeston/
Market Street
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
DE7 5RN
Tel: 0115 9301104
Fax: 0115 9441226
email: ilkeston.library@derbyshire.gov.uk
Rootschat has a policy not to give out information on living relatives, for obvious reasons, but there are several threads which give useful information about tracking them down. Here is one:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,261434.0.html
Had a look this morning (+ rang a relative living in Ilkeston) but, it's difficult to help you trace forward as there are so many Bonser children born in the area after 1900, and it's a problem to know which are your family's ones, without access to certificates. However, please feel free to ask us all for help with tracking back, or for knowledge of the area.
There are some lovely photos on the following site:
http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/
Paulene :)
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Thank you Carol
What does FWK and Stockr mean and how did you find Samuel and Mary's Marriage
I was on the IGI and found all bu Sally and James where did you find them?
Thank you
Paulene
Thank you for the maps and info I will be looking into it, also what is the section you are trying to put on for me Like I said earlier I am very new to this.
Greg
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Hi Greg,
Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you - had a problem with the computer and had to shut it down - hopefully it will behave itself now.
The sections are meant to show the same area of Nottingham Road down to the Gallows Inn and Erewash Canal. After that point it changes to Nottinghamshire and becomes Trowell village.
If you go on to google maps uk and type in 'roberts street ilkeston derbyshire' you should get a similar view of what the area looks like today.
To view the maps on the post click on the writing under the left corner of each map and you should be able to open up the attachments and enlarge them. (hope this makes sense). I couldn't post bigger maps because of the restrictions on file size and copyright issues. Hope they are still OK for you.
They are maps of the area in 1866, 1880s and early 1900s and show how the area changed from very little housing to a developed area, with its own community. Your ancestors would have all lived in this part of Ilkeston.
When you look on google maps you will see that this area of Ilkeston is a fair distance from the main part of Ilkeston, where St.Mary's church and the market place is, at the top of Bath Street (the main high street running through Ilkeston).
Anyway, will leave you to have a look, and catch up with you tomorrow.
Paulene :)
P.S. Hope Carol won't mind me telling uou - FWK is framework-knitter (stockener).
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Hi Greg
FWK - Frame work Knitter
Stockr - Stockinger (knitter)
Have a look at this site - It has old occupations on there plus more details on FWK
http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html
The baptisms & marriage details for Samuel & Mary were from a CD of BMD's for Nottinghamshire produced by the Notts Family History Society. Not all parishes are on there, but Lambley is well covered.
Baptisms - 1653 - 1901
Marriages - 1569 - 1901
Burials - 1653 - 1901
Take a look at their website -
http://www.nottsfhs.org.uk/
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Sorry I pressed the button before I had finished.
I will have a look later to see if I can find anymore information on the Plumb family.
Carol
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1871 CENSUS
Mary Bonser
23
Birth 1848
Daughter
Father Thomas
Mother Mary
Female
Where born Codgor Park SHOULD BE CODNER PARK NOTTS
Reg district Basford
Sub registration district Ilkeston
Thomas Bonser 54
Mary Bonser 50
Mary Bonser 23
Hannah Bonser 21
Ann Bonser 19
Thomas Bonser16
John Bonser 14
Jane Bonser 10
SYLVIA
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Morning Greg,
Just found out that the Ilkeston Library only has electoral roll information up to 1961. They do have copies of telephone directories, too.
My husband's family come from a long line of framework knitters, going back to the first ones in the late seventeenth century, so I've done a bit of research on them in the past and Had these tow sites on my favourites list that I thought you might like. They give you an idea of the work your ancestors did and what their homes might have looked like:
http://www.rfkm.org/aboutus.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stocking_frame
Paulene :)
Still looking into the Bonser family for you.
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Hi
I have been comparing the maps what a difference. Yes they lived a long way from the market place and St Mary's Church. So would they be buried in a closer graveyard or did they go to a closer church? I am learning a lot This is a wonderful site, I want to thank you folks for helping me. thank you Sylvia for the 1871 info.
Greg
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Yes, Greg, some wonderful detective work going on from Sylvia and Carol - especially the mistranscribed 'Bowser' one! They're not easy to find! Especially Millicent/Mary - still haven't found the marriage!
Anyway, I think as you've got the card for Thomas Bonser's burial at St.Mary's that's a good place to start, but Trowell and Stanton by Dale are not far away.
Some of my ancestors are buried at Stanton by Dale - *notice that some of the Bradley children were born there.
In case anyone who's following the thread doesn't know some other information is on this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,319207.15.html
Nearest C of E churches to Gallows Inn:
St Marys, Ilkeston
St. Helens, Trowell
St Michael and All Angels, Stanton by Dale
+ ones at Kirk Hallam, and Cossall
Glad you're finding it interesting, - was a bit worried worried I was bombarding you with too much information in an effort to share the wonderful stuff I've found on my own journey into the past. To me it's much more than names and dates - like to get to know the place, characters and social history.
Don't be afraid to say stop, I've had enough, Greg ;D
Paulene :)
The market town of Ilkeston lies midway between Derby and Nottingham, on one of the last hills at the southern end of the Pennines. St Mary’s stands in the centre of the town 360 feet above sea level and the tower of the church which can be seen from all approaches reaches another 75 feet above that overlooking the Market Place. It has been a familiar landmark on the skyline in that position for almost a hundred years and prior to that stood some 45 feet further to the east. Early in the twentieth century the tower was dismantled stone by stone, numbered and stored before being rebuilt to allow the nave of the church to be extended. The corner stone was laid on Easter Monday in 1910.
Almost two hundred years previously the church tower would have cut an even more imposing image on the skyline as until 1714 when it was struck and destroyed by lightning, the tower was topped by a steeple. By that time there had been a settlement on the hill for well over a thousand years.
*2 drawings of the old church and new one are on St Marys website.
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1861 census
Milicent Plumb
6
abt 1855
Daughter
FatherWilliam
Sarah
Luke Jalland37
Eliza Plumb18
James P Plumb12
Milicent Plumb6
Priscilla Plumb14
Sarah Plumb47
William Plumb48
1871 census
Millicent Plumbe
Age 16
Est 1855
Daughter
Mother Sarah
born Mansfield Nottinghamshire
Sarah Plumbe 58
Hy Ed Greatorex 24
Matilda Plumbe 24
C J Bickerstaff 17
Millicent Plumbe 16
getting there
sylvia
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fingers crossed its allowed through
sylvia
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1901
Millicent Plumbe
16
Est 1855
Daughter
Mother Sarah no father mentioned
born Mansfield, Notts
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DEATHS
Millicent Bonser
Est 1797
Registration 1866
Apr/May/Jun
Age at Death 69
Derbyshire / Nottinghamshire
7b
Millicent Bonser abt 1823 1898 Oct/Nov/Dec Basford Derbyshire Nottinghamshire
Millicent Bonser 1921 1921 Apr-May-Jun BinghamLeicestershire, Nottinghamshire new born
Millicent Bonser 1920 1921 Jul-Aug-SepMansfield Derbyshire/ Nottinghamshire baby
Millicent Annie Bonser 1897 baby1897 Jul/Aug/Sep Leicester
sylvia
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Morning all,
Greg - I suspect you've already found this, but to complete the picture:
1891:
Mary (Millicent) Bonser (transcribed Breser) born about 1819 Lambley, Notts. Living with Clark ? Bradley, granddaughter born about 1875, grocer's assistant, born Hallam Fields, Derbyshire. Mary described as living on own means.
Address: 188, Nottingham Road.
RG12 2667 Folio 66 page 6
Paulene :)
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Hi all,
Finally found the marriage:
Dec qtr 1844
Thomas Bonser Basford Vol 15 ? transcribed as 106, but very feint and could be mis-entry or mis-read
Millicent Plumb Basford Vol 15 906
Paulene :)
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Paulene
Thankyou again I am going to send for the certificate right away
this is great
Greg
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here is the card
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Hi Greg,
Thanks for posting the image.
I would think it's got to be St Marys - because of the fact it says church cemetery.
I just saw the wonderful offer on the other thread re the parish registers, so like you I will wait with baited breath for the reply - fingers crossed!
Paulene :)
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Dear Arnie
Having read this thread I am also interested about Mary Bonser who was born at Codnor Park in 1848. Codnor Park is next to Ironville - both villages actually in Derbyshire but now having a Notts postcode. I also notice that Thomas in 1841 was a boatman - the Cromford Canal then ran from Langley Mill (close to Ilkeston) through Codnor Park/Ironville and on to Cromford Derbyshire. As a boatman he may have been working on the Cromford Canal in 1848 when Mary was born at Codnor Park. There was a massive iron works or forge at Codnor Park and the canal was the main way of transportation. Langley Mill was a junction for canals. You can find out more about Codnor Park and Ironville on our village website
http://www.jacksdale.org.uk
As for searching forward I have had a lot of success resorting to the BMD Births Marriages Deaths after 1901. Especially after September 1911 the mother's maiden name is given on a birth record. Also the spouses surname on a marriage. NB freebmd is not yet complet - still being added to!
http://www.freebmd.org.uk
If you are a member of the ancestry web site or similar they have the full birth marriage and death indexes - and you have to search page on page.
Sometimes it is possible to work forward in this way from the 1901 or even to work backward from the present day from existing ancestors by using BMD.
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1881 census
Thomas BONSER Head 62 Ilkeston
Derby, England Boatman Barge
Millicent BONSER Wife 61 Lambley could this be langley mill?
Nottingham England Boatman Barge Wife
Ada BRADLEY G Dau 10 Stanton
Clara J. BRADLEY G Dau 7 Stanton
sylvia
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allsorts
sylvia
MILLICENT PLUMB
Birth 29 APR 1809
Christening: 22 MAY 1809 Bishops Stortford Hertford Parents
Father:EDWARD PLUMB
Mother SARAH
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MILLICENT PLUMB
Christening 13 APR 1823 Lambley
Parents
Father SAMUEL PLUMB
Mother MARY
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Millicent Plumb
Birth 1792 Lambley, NottinghamMarriages:
Marriage 1813 Lambley, Nottingham
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MILLICENT PLUMB
Marriages
Spouse JOHN SCRETON
Marriage 16 AUG 1813 Lambley
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Husband
Noah Plumb Birth 22 feb 1837 Basford Lambley
Marriage 14 oct 1867 Derbyshire Nottingham
Death 1904 Belper Derby
Wife
Hannah HOLMES
Birth 1844 Wessington
Marriage14 oct 1867 Derbyshire Nottingham
Children
Frances Ellen R Plumb Birth 1868 Basford
Charlotte Emma ' 1871 Basford,
Edwin " 1873 Basford
Samuel " 1876 Afreton
Millicent " 1878 Alfreton
. Elizabeth "1881 Afreton
. Ruth " 1883 Swanwick
Minnie " 1884 Swanwick
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hello again
1861 census
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Thank you Sylvia
From looking at the the marriages and christenings you have given me I am thinking that the one of Millicent Plumb christenings April 13, 1823 is my relative I have gone on the IGI records and found I think the rest of her family.
The Millicent Plumb born 1792 then married in 1813 was there anything else with that a husband name??
Also on the 1861 census after the image, You have the index of places in Derbyshire, What is that I have seen it before and do not know what it is.
Thanks again for the census of 1861 I just found it a couple of weeks ago. An interesting thing is Thomas on his death certificate dies on Gallows inn Street.
Cheshiremog
Hi you say you have an interest in Mary Bonser because she was born at Codnor Park or is she in your family tree somewhere. Thankyou for the site about Codnor park and the canals I did not know much about them till now.
Thank you again
Greg
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Hi
To all that have been following this, I want to post some information I have found on the Bonser family. I received this info from the Community, Learning & Information Librarian, South Area
The Canel boatman are brother in Laws to Hannah who is Thomas and Millicent's daughter. This was very interesting stuff as I have not reserarched canel boatman untill now. Thomas H is Thomas and Millicent's son. Hannah married Herbert Bradley, they were his brothers.
Bonser, Thomas H is down as Gallows Inn/Nottingham Road/Shipstone Street in Ilkeston
Master of various Ilkeston registered canal boats late 19th century.
In the register he is registered under boat numbers 19 “Sam and Clara” for coal and sand, 36 “Willie”, 51 “Annie”, 58 “Cyril Vincent” was broken up, 82 “Jennie” and 87 “Primrose”.
Boat number 64 was registered for Bonser, Jnr.
Bradley, Robert was tenant of building plot s.side, church street Sept 1920 from rutland estate sale catalogue 1920 p69 and 181 It was lot 860.
Bradley, William master of various Ilkeston registered canal boats. In the late 19th century. Ref Ilkeston canal boat register boat numbers 25 and 31.
In the 1914 rate book This is what it said
225 Nottingham Road is a house shop and bakehouse. Simpson, Harry is the occupier and owners are Shipstone and Sons.
The Harry Simpson mentioned is the Son in Law of Thomas and Millicet. He married Mary. Clara Bradley lived there in the 1901 Census. She is Herbert and Hannah's Daughter. Grandaughter to Thomas and Millicent.
Thank you again to all who have helped me
Greg
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Thanks for that ,it is nice when someone is successful sylvia
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http://www.cromfordcanal.org.uk/w1old.html
this is the site of the canals as they were when you family worked there.
I think you will enjoy the journey
sylvia
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Hi From the PR ST.Marys, Ilkeston. Bonser, Mary(b.26/9/47) of Thomas(boatman) and millesant. 11 April1850 Hannah(b 12/7/50 of Thomas,(boatman) and Mary. 23 March1853 Bonser, Ann(b. 8/11/52 of Thomas (boatman) and Millesant of Gallows Inn. Then 3 on 29 June 1879 ,Thomas Herbert,Alice Mary, ANne all of Thomas Bonser laboorer qand millesant of Gallows Inn. there are two other entries for Bonser both John and elizabeth. best wishes Clive
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Hi Greg,
Well, I was just going to post the details regarding births at St.Mary's, but clivealbert beat me to it!
Great - saves the typing fingers!
Anyway, as promised I've been digging around at the Ilkeston local studies.
Not found much you don't already know, but did find an entry regrding Thomas' death in the Ilkeston Pioneer:
Deaths
On the 20th inst. at Gallows Inn, Ilkeston, Thomas Bonser, aged 72 years.
Didn't say where the funeral took place, though :(
However, I did find out that the existing graveyard at St.Mary's was full by 1860s so in 1862 a new extension graveyard for St.Mary's was consecrated and this was used until the opening of the public cemetery in 1891/2.
No-one seemed to know where it was at local studies so I went to the Erewash museum, and who did I meet but Danny Corns and Stephen Flinders! Stephen kindly walked with me to the site of the graveyard - several headstones are still there, but it was pouring with rain so he said it would be easier to check the transcripts and take it from there.
Stephen is the gentleman who has produced the CDs on the St.Mary's registers, and Danny is the gentleman who wrote the article mentioning your ancestor 'totty' Bonser (Hallam Fields article).
As I said, they are going to check the transcripts for MIs for the extension graveyard for St.Mary's and also Stanton Road, too, and will get back to you.
I've also been adsking to see if local folk know if Bonser's still live in the area. One gentleman seems to think they do, and said your best bet is to write to the local newspaper, The Ilkeston Advertiser', and ask them to write something asking for any family to get in contact - they always like to hear from people who have stories about old Ilkeston families, apparently.
Anyway, Greg, I have to return some books I borrowed, for my own Adams' family research, so if I do find anything else I will keep you posted.
What a fantastic response you've had!
Bye for now,
Paulene :)
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Clive,Paulene
Thank you for all the information and work you are doing for me. I had emailed Stephen a while ago not knowing about his CD. It was from some magazine I was reading that I found his name, and he replied saying he would get back. It is a small world that you would run into him. I have been researching the leads all of you have given me and the responses are slow but the news and information on how they lived is wonderful.
Clive thank you for getting the Parish record information. Can you tell me, what is wrote in the entry's is it hand written typed how much information is there I have never seen one only off the one CD disk I have purchased and am interested on how it was transcribed.
thank you all again
Greg
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As a member of Derbyshire Family History Society I have just received their latest magazine, Issue 126, September, 2008. An article on page 39 "Local News" includes extracts from the Derby Mercury, 12th May, 1886 and one extract reads "ILKESTON - On Thursday evening, as Mr. B. Wilks, grocer, Nottingham-road, Ilkeston, was passing the Erewash Canal on his way home he saw a boy named Bonser in the water and on the point of drowning. Mr. Wilks at once plunged in as he was, and was able to bring the lad safely to shore"'
Incidently could the surname of Bonser have originated from the corruption of the name of the village called Bonsall in the Peak District? I used to live in Bonsall, Derbyshire (an ancient, picturesque, upland, leadmining village hanging above the Via Gellia near Cromford) for a number of years and contributed to the history book written by Bonsall History Society, and in researching for the book we found that Bonsall was often corrupted to "Bonser or Bonsar" by the villagers when referrring to the village, and that this dialect version had been used over hundreds of years.
I know that these two items of information don't help with your research, but I thought that you might find them interesting.
Margaret.
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Margaret
Thank you for the Article It is possible that the Bonser boy was a relative as Thomas and his son both worked as boatman on the canal. I will have to see what boys were around at that time period. As for the name I do not know but I do find it very interesting. Thank you again for the article it is another piece of history I can put in my file.
Greg
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Hi Greg,
I was helping with another canal boatmen thread, and suddenly thought of you.
How's the research going - have you managed to get hold of those Ilkeston St.Mary parish registers yet? Hope so!
I also found a couple of useful sites that I thought you might like:
http://www.canalmuseum.org.uk/collection/family-history.htm
http://www.virtualwaterways.co.uk/Home.html
Apologies if you already have them.
Paulene :)
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Found this for you, too, Greg:
http://books.google.com/books?ct=result&id=HqNIAAAAMAAJ&dq=pleasure+trips+-+erewash+canal&pg=PA346&lpg=PA346&q=bonser#PPR1,M1
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Hi Arnie, My wife(very much alive) is connected to the Ilkeston Bonsers via her mother who was the Great Granddaughter of Thomas and Millicent. I came across this site at the weekend and would not normally join but have done since it seems the only way of getting a message to you regarding the possible swapping of information. Cheers
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Hi Woggle,
So glad you did join - welcome! Greg will be delighted to hear from you, as I am, too. Every time I've visited Ilkeston I've been asking if any Bonser's still live there.
Hope you do enjoy the site.
Happy Christmas,
Paulene :)
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Hi Woggle
This is great I will send you a note with my e-mail address and we can exchange what info we have.
Paulene
It is good to hear from you again I am glad you are keeping in touch and thanks for the sites I will be looking at them soon.
I still have not got hold of Stephen to get a copy of the St. Mary's Parish reg. I have sent another e-mail but have not received a response. If anyone is out there that can get hold of one I will pay for the book and shipping and handling to Canada. I am sure I have a few relatives that are registered in that parish.
Greg
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Hi Greg,
Lovely to hear from you, too. :)
I can't understand why Stephen isn't responding to your request for the CDs - and I don't think me telephoning him again is likely to do much good. Suz, if you're reading this can you ask your contacts at Heanor if they have any ideas of how we can get them to Greg, please. Short of one of us buying them for Greg and shipping them over ourselves I'm not sure what we can do. And. then we have to get them, too. Problem, isn't it!
Greg, don't forget to ask woggle if he has heard the nickname 'totty bonser' - does he know (if he has heard of it) why Thomas got the nickname?
What a wonderful surprise to hear from woggle!
Keep in touch,
Paulene :)
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I've just read all the info about Millicent Plumb & her many names - Molicent, Milicent, Mary & surnames Boncall, Bonser, Breser. You've done well to track all that down, & the names of all her daughters' husbands!
Dare I ask two things -
1. Did you find her on 1851 Census - & if so what is her name?
2. Did Greg get her Marriage Certificate, & if so was her father Samuel as expected (Rootsweb says Samuel's brother John also had a daughter Millicent Plumb in 1822, a year IGI does not cover for Lambley, so it is conceivable, though unlikely I expect, that she could be this other Millicent Plumb)?
This thread has worked really well!
Best wishes BH47
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Hi BH47,
While we're waiting for Greg to pick up your message I'd like to say welcome to rootschat - hope you find it fun, as well as informative :)
I'm also interested to know how Greg is getting on - did you ever get those elusive parish register cds, Greg? ;D
Greg - We're missing you!
Take care,
Paulene :)
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Hi BH47
I have had a lot of good luck doing this. I have not found her on the 1851 Census. She is married and I cannot find any of the family for that year. I have her marriage Certificate and her father is Samuel a laborer. She was married on December 12 1844 In Ilkeston. Do you fit in to this some how.
Hi Paulene good to hear from you again. No I have not got them, Stephen has not replied to any e-mails yet.
Greg
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Hi Greg,
Lovely to hear from you - all those miles away!
I went to Ilkeston museum about a month ago, and saw the said gentleman there - but he, and the museum staff, were having lunch.
I resisted the temptatiion to bring it up with him (and the timing was totally wrong, too) - sometimes you know you're banging your head against a brick wall. If he didn't respond to me telephoning him (asking nicely on your behalf), it's unlikely he'd respond to me embarrassing him in front of the museum staff, is it.
We'll have to think of another way to get hold of them, Greg. Suz, who is involved with the Heanor and District Local History Society, said she might make some enquiries for you.
Shame, he seems (besides the matlock record office) to be the only source - unless anyone here knows otherwise!
So, pleased your living relative made contact - see wishes/prayers do come true!
Take care,
Paulene :)
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apologies - I have neglected this thread - I am away from weekend until mid week -but have put it top of my list to chase up.
if I get no joy -I know a man who may do
Suz
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Thank you Paulene for all your help.
I received from my new relative a picture of William Bonser in his Father Thomas Herbert's Canal Boat. It is a very good and clear picture. Since I have been on here last I have tracked down some leads that I was given and have expanded Thomas's siblings side. Woggle has been very help full I hope to in the near future exchange some more information my family tree program is old and I am waiting to get my new one so I can transfer more info.
How is your tree coming?
Glad to hear from you I think I will have to use this site more and ask a lot more questions the people on here are great.
Take care
Greg
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Hi Suz,
Nice to hear from you - I wasn't sure if you'd remember our brief conversation, when we were chuckling over the entries in the Rowley Regis Parish Registers late that night.
I'll wait to hear your reply before I ask my next possible source.
Take care,
Paulene :)
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won't be before end of next week - most probably the week after
Suz
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Hi Greg,
My tree is well and truly super-glued on both important lines :'(
Never mind, one day something will turn up; and it's almost as good seeing other people's successes, and knowing you've been able to help. In fact, sometimes I thnk it's more rewarding!
Have you seen all the activity on the canal boat thread I brought to your attention? It's well worth your while watching that, as all sorts of new people are coming into rootschat with livng relatives, family tree links, etc. Some of it is bound to cross the border into other counties besides Staffordshire.
And, it looks as if lots of information about canal life and networking is ther, too.
Brillian thread.
Bye for now - but keep in touch, Greg :)
Paulene :)
I shan't have to keep accosting all these Ilkeston men now to ask them if they know Bonsers! ::) ;D
Thanks Suz :)
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Having started looking for where Crompton Street was in Hallam Fields, I've found this thread and can add that one of my uncles was married to a Bonser from Ilkeston and have included them in the family tree back to Thomas b abt 1817 who was a boatsman. I think this is the same Thomas, with children Mary, Hannah, Ann, Thomas, John (the link) and Jane.
I have Thomas's wife as Mary (from Lambley) but it appears from this thread that he was married to Millicent? The tree is available online at www.antill.org.uk and the Bonser link goes from Thomas (1817) to John (1858) then William (1888) if anyone wants to look at what we have so far (and possibly add or correct us) :-X The final link to Bonser is not online as they are connected to living relatives, but can discuss further with PMs
Mareanna
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Hi Mareanna
I am glad you found my post from what I can see of your tree it is the same Bonser family. Millicent was also called Mary. I am a descendant of Hannah who married Herbert Bradley. I have some info that you might like to have on the Bonser tree. :) I will get it ready for you soon.
Thanks
Greg
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Hi, i have been reading this topic with great interest as my surname is Bonser and still live local to Ilkeston. My great grandfarther was Thomas H Bonser. I have a fairly extensive family tree from present day to Thomas and Millicent Bonser. I would love to hear from anyone willing to share information.
Regards
Barry
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Hi Barry
Thomas and Millicent had a daughter Hannah who married Herbert Bradley They had a daughter Ada who married Joseph Henry Knight. They had a son William Lawson Knight he married Elizabeth Davenport. They had a daughter Margaret who married Duane Arnott. I am one of their children. So Thomas and Millicent are my Great Great Great Grandparents.
I would like to exchange information on what you have.
Ada and Joseph H Knight moved to Canada around 1909.
Greg
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Hi Greg
Hannah was my great Aunt brother to Thomas H Bonser, his son Earnest Bonser was my Grandfarther. His son Eric Bonser was my Farther. So i guess that makes you my cousin 5 times removed.
EY UP MI DUCK (Hello my friend or loved one) Ilkeston dialect still used today.
Sorry but i am still new to this Ancestry research so how do we exchange information.
Regards
Barry
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Barry sorry for not getting back to you sooner, I have been trying to figure out how to send you the info I have. My home email is * I can send files that way so if you want send me a line and I will go that route.
Greg
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Although the 1916 census for Joseph Knight has him arriving around 1909, he seems to have gone out in 1906, perhaps on a reccie:
Joseph KNIGHT
Date of departure: 29 January 1906
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: Saint John NB
Destination country: Canada
Date of Birth: 1877 (calculated from age)
Age: 29
Marital Status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Butcher
Ship: LAKE MANITOBA
Master's name: James A Murray
Where bound: Saint John NB, Canada
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Hi Mareanna
good to hear form you. I was on ancestry and found the Joseph Knight that sailed in Jan 1906. where did it say the occupation of Butcher I read it as Farm labour, the destination was Brandon, MB which is Northwest a couple of hours. so that is close. He is coming from Middlesex county though. Maybe I am reading the wrong one.
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I got the 1906 sailing from FMYP, destination St John NB:
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Hi Mareanna
I hate to be a bother but I have searched Ancestory.com and cannot find that listing, I have looked at all listing for the ship Lake Manitoba for 1906 and they do not show the Joseph Knight as a butcher. What is FMYP? Can you help me out?
Thanks
Greg
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Hi Arnie
It's no bother - below is an extract of the text from the subscription site Find My Past. Only they have the ship emigration from 1890, A* does not have this - they have immigration to the UK.
Name: Joseph KNIGHT
Date of departure: 29 January 1906
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: Saint John NB
Destination country: Canada
Date of Birth: 1877 (calculated from age)
Age: 29
Marital Status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Butcher
Ship: LAKE MANITOBA
Master's name: James A Murray
Where bound: Saint John NB, Canada
Hope this helps :P
mareanna
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Hi
I am related to the Plumbs of Lambley and I'm sure Millicent fits in somewhere with my relatives.....Looking on this thread I see mentioned Samuel Plumb married to a Mary Green.....On my chart I have a Samuel Plumb(1793-1866) married to an Elizabeth Green who lived Green Lane Lambley.
Also someone mentioned a Noah Plumb.....I have a Noah Plumb married to Hannah Holmes.....Noah was the son of John Plumb and Hannah brandiff....John was the brother of Samuel (mentioned above).....Noah had a daughter Millicent b:1878............just trying to work out where Thomas Bonser and Millicent fit in with my family?
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NFHS has Millicent Plumb, d/o Saml and Mary, christened on 13 April 1823 at Holy Trinity Church, Lambley. There must be two Samuel Plumbs living in Lambley – there are two families with Mary and Elizabeth as the mothers, with children from 1814 to 1831. The children of Samuel and Mary are (christening years in brackets): Pamela (1815), Sarah (1817,) Samuel (1820,) Millicent (1823), Sally (1827) and James (1830).
There is a tree on A* that has Samuel (1793 - 1866) re-marrying an Elizabeth Arnsby in 1838 and has provided an exact date, but no certificate
Hope this helps ::)
mareanna
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I checked my chart and I got it wrong...I have samuel and Mary not samuel and elizabeth
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I believe that I am a direct descendant of Thomas and Millicent. My great-grandfather was John Bonser, Sexton at Stanton Road Cemetery. I'm confused about the birth date of Millicent (1823) as from the information that I have she would have been 3 years younger than her mother-in-law! I have Thomas Bonser and Harriet ? as Thomas's parents and Thomas and Sarah Manfield as his grand-parents. Does this agree with your information? I can confirm that there are still descendants of Bonser living in Ilkeston but, sadly, they do not have any family history information.
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I would very much like to hear from you as I am the grand-daughter of John Bonser Sexton at Stanton Road Cemetery) and Elizabeth Hawley. I believe John to be the son of Thomas Bonser and Millicent Plumb but am very confused about Millicent's birth date. It would be good to see your family tree. If you are in the Ilkeston area then perhaps we could arrange to meet.
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Good afternoon Maureen. I would love to meet you but I live in Canada. I am sending you this note to let you know I received it. I am going to look up some information for you to help you out with the dates and stuff. \
I have Thomas Bonser married Sara Manfiled, there son was Thomas bonser who married Millicent Plumb then John Bonser. I am from the Hanna Bonser line. That would be John's sister. Hanna married Herbert Bradley. I will sit down and get you better tree information.
Greg.
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I have a death certificate for Millicent Bonser she died November 10, 1898. The informant was T Bonser son. he lived at 194 Nottingham Road Ilkeston. They lived just down the street form Millicent 198 Nottingham Road, Ilkeston. she was 75 years old at the time of death.
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BAZZA944
Hello Barry I believe your great-grandfather could be my great uncle. Can we meet to discuss and exchange information.
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mareanna
fascinated by your comments. will check your family tree. are you also related to William Antill, butcher of Spondon?
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My family connection is from a grand daughter of John John Bonser and Elizabeth Hawley and also a GGG granddaughter of William Hawley and Elizabeth Moreland (Elizabeth Hawley's parents).
My husband's Antills are from Leicestershire but there is a will that connects the Spondon and Leicestershire Antills. What is not certain is exactly how they are linked - the 1706 will of Elizabeth Antill of Spondon who dies a spinster mentions her nephew John Antill of Mountsorrel and his children.