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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Topic started by: Tillyboo on Saturday 02 August 08 20:42 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am researching my Great Great Grandmother, Alice Gardner and wondered if anyone has any information on the Gardner family from Guernsey. Were the Gardners a long standing family ? Could someone please point in the direction of where I would find any further information.
Alice was born abt 1860 and married Henry Tilbury, they lived in Gosport, Hampshire.
I do not know any other information at all I'm afraid but would like to find out more about her family.
Many, many thanks
Laurie :)
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Hi Laurie,
1891 in Alverstoke, Hampshire
RG12 / 879 / 22 / 5
Henry Tilbury head age 30 b Gosport occ gen lab
Alice wife age 30 b Guernsey
Laura A dau age 9 b Westminster, Middlesex
Elsie M dau age 7 b Gosport
Lilian A dau age 6 b Gosport
Alan H son age 4 b Gosport
Clifford D son age 2 b Gosport
Albany J son age 2 months b Gosport
Address Ivy Cottages
Sue :)
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And 1901 in Alverstoke
RG13 / 1010 / 69 / 4
Alice Tilbury age 40 b Guernsey occ laundress
Elsie M dau age 18 b Alverstoke
Allen son age 14 b Alverstoke occ shoemakers apprentice
Clifford D son age 12 b Alverstoke
Albany J son age 10 b Alverstoke
Olive W A dau age 8 b Alverstoke
Nina M C dau age 7 b Alverstoke
Lawrence A son age 4 b Alverstoke
Doris I E dau age 2 b Alverstoke
Address 18 The Avenue
Sue :)
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Hi Sue,
I managed to gleam the same information but hit a brick wall with Henry in 1901, it seems he didn't live with the family but may have been a watchman at Fort Blockhouse in Gosport.
The search continues ....
Thank you for taking the time to research for me, it is very much appreciated.
Laurie :)
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1861
possiby her; do not know if you have this and earlier censuses for this family?
RG9/4383/33/20.
john gardner age 29. b. st.peters port. occ. butcher. head.
caroline age 27. b. st.pierre de bois. wife.
caroline age 2. b. st.peters port. daughter.
alice age 1. b. ditto. daughter.
john age 4mnths. b. ditto. son.
living at ;79,hauteville,brighton cottage,st.peters port,guernsey
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Hi Wozzle,
Certainly likely as the year and ages fit in nicely, thanks so much for this, it's great.
I've found last night that the name Gardner was the name of the 'Gardners Butchers' from Guernsey so I'll investigate further as Alice's father was a head butcher.
Can you tell me where you found this info as I can't find it in the 1861 census records on ancestry.co.uk
Many, many thanks
Laurie
:)
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Oops ! silly me, I can see where it came from :-\
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1851
HO107/2530/485/14.
john.b.gardner age 45. b. st.peters port. occ. butcher. head.
elizabeth gardner age 45. b. england. wife.
louisa age 22. b. st.peters port. occ. housekeeper. daughter.
john age 20. b. st.peters port. occ. butcher. son.
james age 16. b. st.peters port. occ. apprentice butcher.son.
anthony.v. age 14. b. st.peters port. occ. apprentice butcher. son.
elizabeth age 12. b. st.peters port. daughter.
kate age 10. b. st.peters port. daughter.
living at; 32,mansell street,st.peters port,guernsey.
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1841
HO107/1460/17/29/28.
john gardner age 36. b. guernsey. occ. butcher.
elizabeth age 36. b. england.
louisa age 14. b. guernsey.
john age 12. b. guernsey.
james gardner age 6. b. guernsey.
vincent gardner age 4. b. guernsey(think this is probably anthony.v.gardner from 1851)
elizabeth gardner age 2. b. guernsey.
living at; burnt lane,st.peters port,guernsey.
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if you want me to follow the family through the censuses
just let me know and i will try to find them.
mick.
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there is this submitted record from the IGI
might be fact or fantasy
name louisa margaret gardner
birth. 1829
place. st.peters port,guernsey.
death. 3rd nov 1874.
married to john le cheminant.
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Hello Mick,
Thanks so much for the time you've spent already. I don't want to put you to any trouble ?
I think Alice is part of the 'Gardner' Butchery family of Guernsey. Alices father and grandfather were butchers I believe. I have contacted someone who has a website relating to this family and I'm waiting on confirmation. It's quite exciting really. I may be barking up the wrong tree but you have to follow every avenue don't you ?
:)
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good luck if it is not to much trouble let us know what happens
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Will do, thanks so much !
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Hi Tillyboo, I have an Alice Gardner, but born in 1864, her father was Anthony Vincent (my g-g-grandfather)
She is on 1871 census RG10/5768. The butchers site mentioned is http://www.history.foote-family.com/butchers/b-gardner.htm
I'm not sure if it relevant to you, but let me know if it is please,
Graeme Cox
Guernsey.
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Hi Graeme,
Yes, it is relevant to me. Thanks so much for getting in touch.
My Alice is the daughter of John Gardner who I believe was the older brother of your Anthony. Johns wife was Caroline. It appears they both named their daughters 'Alice'.
My Alice married Henry James Tilbury and it is their daughter, Elsie May, who is my Gt Grandmother. They lived in Hampshire, were in service when they met, so I'm assuming Alice left Guernsey looking for work ?
Elsie married Edward Ward, a Royal Marine, and it is he who has become extremely difficult to find any further info on.
Do you have any other info related to the Gardners ?
Many thanks
Laurie
Berkshire
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Yes, Anthony had an older brother John, but I haven't checked his children or marriage. Do you have dates for these?
I have a few Gardner details and some Gardner cousins are still living here, my late mother was a Gardner and her last sibling, Noel, only died earlier this year.
You can visit my tree on Genes Reunited and see if this is yours too, if it is and you have queries, I can look up at the Priaulx Library, Guernsey, but not for a couple of weeks
Best wishes
Graeme
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I now have loads of info on the Gardners- see the attachment. If it doesn't appear, send me your email address and I'll send it there. Mine is (*)
Graeme
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Oh My, that's brilliant. I've not had a lot of time recently as it's a busy time for my little home business (I'm a textile artist) but this'll be some brilliant bedtime reading. I'll pass on any extra info I have of Alice to you.
Thanks so much for sharing this with me. My family will be completely amazed !
Many, many thanks ! ::)
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Hi Laurie & Sue etc!
Got a feeling we're related!
My Dad was Alan George Henry Tilbury, & my Grandad was Alan Henry Tilbury. In Gospost I had Auntie Doll & Auntie Nene, & in Woking I had Auntie Lil (all Great Aunts). As I was very young indeed when they passed on, I don't remember too much about some of them I'm afraid. I hope this is of some interest to you.
As I don't want to put my actual first name on here, I'll go by my middle name ie. "Alan", named after my Dad. I don't mind letting you know my name, but would only put it in an e-mail, not on here..
All the best..
Alan.. :)
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........er sorry......that should have read "GOSPORT" not Gospost!!.. ::)
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Hello
I have been researching my family tree and have now started on the Tilbury / Gardner side of the tree, some of the information I have may be of interest to you.
Alice Gardner dob: 1860 .. Father : John Gardner (Butcher) of Guernsey, Henry James Tilbury
dob: 1863 Father : Daniel Tilbury (Gardner). Both Alice and Henry were in service at Woodend House Soberton, Hampshire. Alice was a house maid and Henry was the footman they married at the Parish Church of St Mary Lambeth, Surrey on October 27th 1881. It seems that Alice was a runaway bride and was pregnant or had their first born Laura dob: 1882 and they ran away to London to marry. Henry then became a Police Constable, in 1891 Alice and Henry lived at 1 Ivy Cottage Alverstoke, Gosport, Hampshire and Henry was a General labour.
The family story goes something like this: the Gardner family (John and Caroline) from Guernsey, (Caroline being a bit prim and proper) were not best pleased when they found out that Alice had married Henry but after a while they come round to the fact.
The story continues that John and Caroline Gardner used to send Alice, Henry and family money so they could visit them in Guernsey, they also sent some extra on the proviso that Henry purchased a new suit for their visit.
Hope this is of interest
If you have any photographs of the Tilbury / Gardner side of the family I would be most interested to see them.
Robert
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Re : Alice Gardner
I should have mentioned that at the time of marriage 1881 in London Henry lied about his age and said he was 21 years of age when in fact he was 18. He also may not have been a Police Constable even though he said he was, they both put their residence as (Hangale ? Street)
Robert
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Hi Robert..
It's strange you should have added your information on this today, as today is the anniversary of my Dad's death..
My Dad, Alan George Henry Tilbury, passed on at the very young age of 42 years on Monday 30th. January 1956. He had a coronary thrombosis. I was just 9 years old & we lived in New Haw, Weybridge, Surrey, which is where he died suddenly..
My Mum, Monica, continued on until well in her 80's..
It's true to say that I detest this particular day coming round each year, especially this particular year as today is also a Monday..
Anyway, all the best..
Alan.
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Hi All,
I'm struggling to find any information on Edward Ward b. 1881 (Bolton Lancashire).
Edward Ward married Elsie May, who was the daughter of Alice & Henry.
Latest info:
1911 - Lived 16 Liverpool St, Bolton Lancs with Elsie & 3 of their children
1. Lillian Alice
2. Alan Clifford
3. Doris
(My grandad, Lawrence was b. 1911 after the census
If anyone has anything they could share with me I'd be very, very grateful, no matter how small a snippet. Date of death would be a start.
Many Thanks
Tillyboo :)
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tillyboo do you have the 1901 census of edward ward
if not do you want me to post it here he is in the royal marines in hampshire,alverstoke
also he could be possibly the son of john/isabella ward they have a son edward on the 1881 census aged 10 mnths
they are in the parish of tonge reg dist bolton
they are down as wood on this census but on 1891 isabella and her son edward are down as ward
having had a look at the 1881 image it could well be ward not wood
if you want me to post 1881,1891,1901 just let me know
mick
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forgot to say there is no birth in 1881 in bolton of an edward ward the nearest is the one whose birth was regd 2nd qtr 1880
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you could get the marriage cert that would verify edwards fathers name and occ
the father john ward dies between 1881-1891