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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: mgscott on Wednesday 30 July 08 18:27 BST (UK)
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does anyone know of a place near Cannonbie called Bogra? location, still exist, etc. thanks.
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To see Bogra go to www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap
Click 'I want to Get-a-map now !' and enter Canonbie in the search box. When Canonbie appears, move to the west 3 times.
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the farm dates from at least the 18thC, it appears on the Roy map of 1747
http://geo.nls.uk/roy/
(on the right type in Tower-of-Sark in the gazeteer place name box. The map appears zoomed out but there is a large Y shaped fork where 2 rivers join left of centre, and the word Scots of the name Scots Dyke is almost legible. Click somewhere above the 'S' with the zoom selected and you should spot 'Bogry'.)
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Thank you both for taking the time to help me out. Your maps are wonderful!
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If you go to
http://www.langholmarchive.org.uk/?action=search&perPage=25&page=1&startDate=1848-1-1&endDate=1871-12-31&text=bogra&
you'll find some names connected with the farm in the mid-1800s
WalterC
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this is such an interesting service you've introduced me to Walter C. thanks so very much for taking the time.
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I have some family links to Bogra which is a moderate quality farm of its type on the estate of the Duke of Buccleuch. It was farmed for at least a generation in the latter part of the 19th Century by a family of Carruthers who are widely spread in that district. The final Miss Carruthers married Christopher Elliot who farmed it with his sons until about 1928 when they moved to the Duke of Buccleuch's estate at Kettering, Northants. Some of the children are still farming at Kettering.
If you want anything more do let me know.
Pamal
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Thanks so much for the reply. I have determined that my wife's ancestors, James Elliot and Isabella Broatch, were from Bogra. They may have lived there for quite some time because she was born there (1775) and they had a son born there as well (1799). I have no reason to suspect they had any ownership in the farm. James was a glazier according to documents I've found although i haven't yet figured out what a glazier might make....cottage/house windows perhaps?
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It is often quite hard to get a clear line on the Elliots of Canonbie who, incidentally were also common in Newcastleton. They were a predominant family in the area during the time of the Border Reivers. The Broatches were all said to come from the farm of the Broats which is on the road between Kirkpatrick Fleming and Annan. The occupation of glazier is quite possible as at the time he was working a great deal of activity was going on in building new farm houses and buildings on the new farms which were being created as a part of the Agricultural Revolution which was at its height at that time.
By the way here were two Bogras - Big and Little
Boswells
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I would add that James Elliot and Isabel Broach had a daughter, Janet, in Bogra the date given in the Old Parish Records of Canonbie being 2/8/1801. No other offspring are recorded.
Bealach.
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Thank you both for your information and insights. I'm fairly new at this 'family tree' research. Is Broatch a common name and pentiful in numbers today? And, is there any likely cemetary nearby that might have provided the final resting place for our Elliots and Broatchs?
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Memorial inscriptions:
Langholm Auld Kirkyard: one Broatch: (ROBERT BROATCH who died in Langholm 16th May 1844 aged 67 years)
Wauchope: one: (MARGARET MILLAR wife of Thomas Broatch who died 16 December 1911 aged 59 years ~ no mention of Thomas)
Westerkirk: one burial in 1959
None in Ewes, Staplegordon, Eskdalemuir, Canonbie, Castleton, Ettleton or Unthank graveyards
~ so Broatch isn't a common name in Eskdale or Liddesdale, unlike Elliot.
You might get an idea of the distribution of present day Broatches using the on-line telephone directories.
WalterC
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The people from Bogra would almost certainly have been buried at Kirkbankhead Cemetery.This long disused cementery is on land at Sark Tower which is on the side of the road between Canonbie and Annan. Kinmount Willie Armstrong a notorious Reiver is reputed to have been buried there. There are several Armstrongs, Elliots, Carruthers etc. buried there.
Sadly none of the names you mention have yet come up on my researches but Thomas Elliot was a very common name in the district. One of their central farms was at Archerbeck near Canonbie.
Boswells
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Sorry I forgot to comment on the Broatches. Not a common name anywhere I believe I have come up against it only in Dumfriesshire, Roxburghshire and Edinburgh. There were Brotches in farm called the Thwaite about 100 years ago and some others around Lockerbie.
Boswells
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Pop Broatch into
http://www.langholmarchive.org.uk/
you'll get 22 hits between 1848 and 1871
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Arthur Bell was a cotton weaver and lived at upper Bogra from the late 1830s to his death in 1858. He had a large family mainly farm labourers many of whom are shown on the 1861 census.
The eldest son Arthur moved to Teviothead and was married to a Janet Elliot in 1859 he later moved to Hawick with his two sons Arthur and James.
Arthur married in 1890 and had a son Arthur Elliot Bell who married in 1927 and again in 1943 who had a son Arthur Elliot Bell who married in 1971 and had a son Arthur Elliot Bell who married in 2009 and had a son Arthur Elliot Bell.
James Bell Married in 1889 and had two sons Arthur Elliot Bell and John Hogg Bell. He moved from Hawick to Callender in the early 1900s.