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Hello all,
I am completely stuck on info on my great-grandfather, James Henry Robe, born (I think) Bristol, c.1862, died Bootle, 1946. His wife was Ellen, but whether her surname was Blackwood or Pay it is hard to be sure.
I would love to know if anyone has a James Henry Robe who fits into their family tree so that I might be able to get a bit more info.
Also, does anyone have Shalliker for Lancashire, mid-late 19th c.? Perhaps a marriage between Edward and Isabella, both born about 1814-17? I think that there were 5 children, including Isabella, born 1842.
Does anyone have any idea where this family came from?
Thank you so much,
Pip
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Hi Pip,
Welcome to Rootschat.
This could be James and Ellen's marriage registration:
James Henry Robe MarQ 1894 Barton R. 6a 174
Possible bride: Ellen Blackford Pay
Found on http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
Nanny Jan
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1891 Bristol St Philip and Jacob North RG 10/ 1980/59/8
19 Oxford Place
Harriet Robe head m 48 living on her means b.Gloucestershire Syston
James H son s 20 tailor b. Bristol
Mary daur 11 cholar do
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Cant see Ellen in 1891 but here she is with parents and what looks like Grandparents in 1881
1881 Gloucester Bristol st Philip and Jacob Out
39 Stanley st
Robert Pay head mar 41 ?? Cutter b.London
Sarah wife mar 42 Bath
Eliza daur s 16 milliner Bristol
Sarah daur 14 scholar do
George son 11 do do
Ellen daur 9 do
Jeremiah Blackford head mar 79 furniture dealer b.Tiberton nr Bath
Eliza Blackford wife mar 72 b.wilts Milksham
Robert Pay Marriage possible bride Sarah Blackford Jun 1864 Bedminster (free Bmd
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Welcome Pippip :)
I am presently looking at some 'Shalliker' genealogy in Manchester for a relative, but I have only just started and have not got any information connecting to yours so far, though I think it is quite likely there is a connection as the name is quite rare.
I was curious about the origin of the name too, as on searches I found a lot of variations in spelling.
I did come across this website which has some interesting ideas about where the name originated: there may be others.
http://homepages.tesco.net/~ann.stewardson/shollike.htm
If I find a connection to yours I will let you know.
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Thank you - that is brilliant. Do you know if there is any way I could find out his parents' names from marriage records? I have tried to find his birth certificate, but without knowing exactly where he was born - I can't presume Bristol - I am a bit stuck!
Thank you again
Pip
Hi Pip,
Welcome to Rootschat.
This could be James and Ellen's marriage registration:
James Henry Robe MarQ 1894 Barton R. 6a 174
Possible bride: Ellen Blackford Pay
Found on http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
Nanny Jan
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Really fascinating - thank you, I am so glad that I am not the only one looking for this. A Lancs background would definitely fit - thank you!
Welcome Pippip :)
I am presently looking at some 'Shalliker' genealogy in Manchester for a relative, but I have only just started and have not got any information connecting to yours so far, though I think it is quite likely there is a connection as the name is quite rare.
I was curious about the origin of the name too, as on searches I found a lot of variations in spelling.
I did come across this website which has some interesting ideas about where the name originated: there may be others.
http://homepages.tesco.net/~ann.stewardson/shollike.htm
If I find a connection to yours I will let you know.
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Wonderful, thank you. That explains why she called herself Blackford on her gravestone, rather than her married name of Robe. Thank you so much - your work has cleared up months of confusion
Cant see Ellen in 1891 but here she is with parents and what looks like Grandparents in 1881
1881 Gloucester Bristol st Philip and Jacob Out
39 Stanley st
Robert Pay head mar 41 ?? Cutter b.London
Sarah wife mar 42 Bath
Eliza daur s 16 milliner Bristol
Sarah daur 14 scholar do
George son 11 do do
Ellen daur 9 do
Jeremiah Blackford head mar 79 furniture dealer b.Tiberton nr Bath
Eliza Blackford wife mar 72 b.wilts Milksham
Robert Pay Marriage possible bride Sarah Blackford Jun 1864 Bedminster (free Bmd
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Hi,
You should have the name of his father on the marriage certificate, plus his occupation, which might help to find them on a census.
Registration of a birth was not compulsory until mid 1870s so he might not have been registered but possibly was baptised.
Nanny Jan
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Hi,
first search brings up 1861 so perhaps mistranscription/ spellings earlier = will check
1861 RG9; Piece: 3133; Folio: 102; Page: 7
39 Senior Street Preston
Edward Shalliker 47 rys cotton spinner operative
Isabella 44 ys
Ellen 16 yrs cotton weaver
Thomas 11 yrs cotton creeler
Agnes 8 yrs scholar b Padiham
Elizabeth 3 yrs
all others born Preston
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here they are in 1851 -
1851 HO107; Piece: 2267; Folio: 45; Page: 44
85 Bedford Street Preston
Edward Sherliker 36 yrs cotton spinner
Isabella 34 yrs
John 10 yrs
Ellen 6 yrs
Thomas 1 yr
William Parkinson lodger 26 yrs power loom weaver b Catterall
Margaret Parkinson lodger 23 yrs power loom weaver b Chorley
family born Preston
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The 1841 census does not give realtionships or places of birth. Also people aged 15 yrs and over were rounded down in age- so they would be older than shown (generally).
1841 HO107; Piece 499; Book: 1; Folio: 30; Page: 11
Canal Street Preston
Ellen Shirliker 60 yrs housekeeper
Joseph 40 yrs retail brewer
Sarah 35 yrs housekeeper
Jane 15 yrs cotton weaver
Edward 25 yrs cotton spinner
Isabella 25 yrs
James 15 yrs tin smith ap
John 1 yr
all born in county
so this looks like mother and sons wioth families. James 15 yrs is perhaps Ellen's son and Edward's brother rather than Joseph's ???
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In 1901 James H Robe is a 36 year-old tailor, although I wonder whether it is 30 with a tail.
1891 RG12/1980
Harriet Robe, living on her own means, b Siston, Glos
James H Robe, 20, son, tailor, b Bristol
Mary Robe, 11, dau, b Bristol (sorry; didn't spot this earlier)
Birth Dec 1870
James Henry Robe Clifton
Possible marriage:
Mar 1864 Clifton
Edward Robe
Harriet Tucker
Richard
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1871 RG10/2497
Harriet Robe, 30, mar, b Siston, Glos
Henry Robe, 6m, son, b Bristol
Richard
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Hi Pip,
it may have been better to run two separate threads here but no worries- you'll just have to sort them as you go along:
Free BMD marriage
1838 1st quarter Edward Sherliker and Isabella Cook (from a list of spouses)
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Yes, two threads may be better!
If Edward is the father, then these are possible:
Deaths
Jun 1893 Harriett Robe Barton R age 52
Sep 1901 Edward Robe Bristol age 63
In 1861 (RG9/1718) Edward was a clerk in the railway (age 19)
In 1901 he was in the Bristol Workhouse (age 63)
Richard
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I also found this
http://sholicar.wordpress.com/welcome-to-the-sholicar-pages/sholicars-join-here/
Is this your work? ;)
Welcome Pippip :)
I am presently looking at some 'Shalliker' genealogy in Manchester for a relative, but I have only just started and have not got any information connecting to yours so far, though I think it is quite likely there is a connection as the name is quite rare.
I was curious about the origin of the name too, as on searches I found a lot of variations in spelling.
I did come across this website which has some interesting ideas about where the name originated: there may be others.
http://homepages.tesco.net/~ann.stewardson/shollike.htm
If I find a connection to yours I will let you know.
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If you are asking me, Pip, no, I have only just started to look at Shallikers, and I am looking on behalf of another member of the family who is new to genealogy, so asked me to help. :)
It looks as if you have found an interesting site.
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on the other hand, Pip, if you were saying that the information that I found re Shallikers - which took quite a while- was useful to you, that would be nice- as a thank you would too. :D
I am assuming that you didn't read the posters and thought I was griz.
best wishes
heywood
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Hello, Yes - thank you so much for the info. I have been quite excited about it and telling my mother and forgot to say thank you. But I really do appreciate your help! :D
Sorry for the delay in sending thanks :)
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that's fine- I understand the excitement ;D you will need to sort out the two families - if you need further census info re the Shallikers- let me know- I can look up. If you don't already know, the 1881 is free to search on both ancestry and Family Search.
good luck
heywood
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That's brilliant, thanks. I looked them up on free cen once I had your info, but I didn't really know where to go from there. Without a name of a husband of Ellen Shirliker I am a bit lost. But what you have given me has really helped.
All the best,
Pip
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Hi Pip,
it's all going a bit pear shaped in 1871 and may be resolved in 1881! I notice that there are a lot of Sherliker variations in Preston so am not sure now re the names i am giving - if they are the same people- if you knowq what I mean. Anyway here goes and you can compare and decide.
I do think this is Isabella and will give you the transcriptions as well as what I see ::)
1871 RG10; Piece: 4210; Folio: 143; Page: 32
88 Lancaster Rd North, Preston
Rubin Cook 24 yrs butcher
Ellen wife 26 yrs cotton creeler
Elizabeth daur 6 yrs
William son 9 yrs
Catherine daur 4 months
Isabella Shilliker boarder houskeeper
Agness Shillker boarder cotton weaver
Elizabeth Shillker boarder cotton weaver
all born Preston
The transcription is Shillikes and Isabella is transcribed as 38 ys; Agnes as 70 yrs and Elizabeth as 46 yrs.
The ages have been struck through in checking but the girls certainly begin with a 1.
Free BMD has a marriage in 1868 for Reuben Cook with possible spouses of Ellen Clark and Mary Ellen Shirliker.
Now as Isabella was a Cook- I suppoe either are possibilities at the moment ???
I can't see a death for Edward and there is an Edward elsewhere but age is not quite right. Will check.
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Thank you. This confuses matters doesn't it! I will have to write this all down before I confuse the family tree! I wonder if Ruben is a nephew of Isabella in this case? ???
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1881 RG11; Piece: 4236; Folio: 9; Page: 11
has Ruben and Mary Ellen Cook with lots of children so Mary Ellen may be your ellen or not :-\
Free BMD death 1874 Isabella Sherliker 58 yrs - would say it is probably her because of the first name
Free BMD death 1879 Edward aged 66 yrs - yes??
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Free BMD marriage 1874 Agnes Sherliker to either James Newton or William Melling but can't spot in 1881.
This is the possibility for Edward in 1871 - the Thomas seems ok but there was no James in 1861 ???
1871 RG10; Piece: 4211; Folio: 84; Page: 12
Fylde Rd Preston
Thomas Apperson (Appleton?) widower 39 yrs tailor b Upholland
Edward Sherlicker 60 yrs boarder married 60 yrs cotton weaver
Thomas Sherlicker 22 yrs boarder unmarried 22 rys cotton weaver
James Sherlicker 14 yrs boarder unmarried 14 yrs tailor apprentice
others born Preston
confusing but there will be an explanation somewhere ???
1861 RG9; Piece: 3130; Folio: 126; Page: 35
2 St George's Rd Preston
James Sherlicker 4 yrs lodger scholar b Preston
ISabella Sherlicker 30 yrs unmarried lodger cotton winder b Preston
who is she?? 1851 has her as a daughter of John Sherliker aged 42 yrs (in 1851) so could be related to Edward (brother perhaps?)
they are lodging with Ann Threlfall and other lodgers.
oh dear- lots of work here- get a nice drink and then sit down and try to make sense- I will stop now- let me know if,w hen you have sorted it, there are any people on 1891 and 1901 that you need to look for 8)
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This is a bit of a jigsaw puzzle isn't it. Your idea of a drink sounds perfect - I will see what I can do and let you know. Thank you so much for your help - I am quite overwhelmed!
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Hello
I am a descendent of Edward Sherliker & ISabella Cook.
I lost the gist of the thread somewhere. Could you let me know what info you are after & I will gladly oblige. I have a mountain of info on teh Sherliker family if you are interested
Regards
Stuart Dawson
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Really, wonderful! I will have a look at the tree and see where I got stuck. Thank you so much
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Hello
I am a descendent of Edward Sherliker & ISabella Cook.
I lost the gist of the thread somewhere. Could you let me know what info you are after & I will gladly oblige. I have a mountain of info on teh Sherliker family if you are interested
Regards
Stuart Dawson
Dear Stuart,
Firstly, thank you for this. Do you have any info on the parents/grandparents etc of
Edward Sherliker & ISabella Cook. I think we found that Edward's mother was called Ellen? but no further.
I am descended from their daughter, Isabella, b.1842?, married John Pearson Roberts. She appears to have had at least 5 siblings. Do you have any info on them?
Do you know where the family came from?
With best wishes,
Pip
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Hi Pip
Edward Sherliker was born in Preston 1813, married Isabella Cook in 1838 and died in 1879 in Preston.
His father was Thomas Sherliker born i Preston in 1780. Thomas died in 1834. I have not been able to trace his mother.
Thomas's parents were Joseph Sherliker & Ellen Jameson
Joseph was born around 1748 and died in 1794.
Edward's family was:
John born 1840 Preston
Mary Ellen born 1844 Preston married Reuben Cook
Agnes born 1853 Padiham married John Newton (I am descended from Agnes)
Elizabeth born 1858 Preston
Thomas born 1849 Preston married Betsy Christian
With regards to Isabella I dont have her as their daughter. Do you have any more details? DOB? when & where she got married? death etc?
Kind regards
Stuart Dawson