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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: Rayw1 on Saturday 26 July 08 08:22 BST (UK)
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:) Please help, I need to prove or disprove that Martin Warren [m Anna Maria Short] born 1733 was the son of a Robert Warren who was supposedly the SON of Christopher Warren [born 1698] Robert Warren was born in 1724 so the time is right. I think that Christopher was the father of Martin and BROTHER of Robert. I may not be correct in this but something tells me to double check it. In his book The History of The Warren Family, the Reverend Thomas Warren states that Robert Warren was perhaps the father of Martin Warren. I t has not been proven and therefore there is a possibility that I am right so can body assist please? ::) ::)
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On the IGI's Martin Warren was christened on 23 APR 1733 Marnhull, Dorset, England and his parents were
Christopher Warren and Elizabeth.
He married anna who was born in 1743 and died 26 April 1779.
Christopher warren was christened 05 OCT 1698 Marnhull, Dorset, England
and Died 29 MAY 1785 Marnhull, Dorset, England
His parents were John Warren b.1669 and Ruth.1673
Hope this helps
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As for Robert Warren the IGI records have him down at:
Christened 05 JAN 1723 Marnhull, Dorset, England
his parents being George Warren b .1685 and Mary Coombe b.1689 they married on 9th April 1710
All this information has official sources.
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George Warren B.1685 parents were George Warren b.1661 and Susanna Gilbert.
This is as far back as the IGI Records go.
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Hi Ray,
have you looked at the Dorset OPC page for Marnhull ??
http://www.opcdorset.com/MarnhullFiles/Marnhull.htm
There are a lot of WARREN baptisms there (also WARRON and WARON, which might be worth a second look, in case they are transcription errors, or simply variations in spelling)
the first one in the list is for Ruth Warren, daughter of John & Ruth WARREN who was baptised in 1701. Could be the sister of the Christopher, who FamilyDigger found.
The name also crops up in the Hearth tax lists and Protestation Returns
Bob
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;D ;D :o :o My goodness, Family digger and Berlin Bob! Thank you much for what you have found. I was a bit concerned that the old Reverend might be correct in his assertions that Robert was the father of Martin Warren. Ok so that clears that up and I am settling down again. There is one more little item that you might be able to assist me with. There were two John Warrens that were father and Grandfather of Christopher [b1698] John his father was born 1658 and I believe was Christened in Carstock Cornwall? and married Ruth? I have also seen an Elizabeth Rule mentioned and wonder if the Ruth could be a mistake. The child Ruth belonging to John and Ruth seems to disprove the Elizabeth Rule thing.
His father John was born in 1617 and the Reverend Thomas Warren seems to think that John 1617 came from Ashburton because of the use of the names John, Christopher and Nathaniel in my family. How can I prove that this John [B 1617 in Ashburton] is mine? It seems that my family are from either Cornwall, Dorset or Devon in their background so far. The Reverend states that the four generations of parish clerks in Marnhull that were John, John, Christopher and Martin began with the first John [1617].
Which direction do I now go, Ruth, Rule, Cornwall or Devon. If it is Devon, I notice that Christopher the father of John [1617] was vicar of Rame, Cornwall which he handed to his first born Richard Warren. I believe that some of the Warrens are taken there to be baptized etc.
Sorry to be a nuisance but you were both so quick :o onto this that I feel you may be able to get me out of Marnhull and into the county from which my ancestors came. Thank you much indeed. ;D ;D ;D
Rayw 1
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Hi all,
You have got much futher back with the Warren's than I have got but seeing that My Warrens do come from around Marnhull, Stour Provost and Todber perhaps you can help me out, I am looking to go back further with a James Warren born abt 1811 stour Provost and his wife Hester Warren born 1810 Marnhull Dorset, who were their parrents?
Also the other problem I have is that Jame's son George born 1836 Stour Provost did he Marry lady called louisa born 1847 ? Other son's they had were Enos born abt 1840 and James born abt 1842.(all from around Todber who did they all marry?
Other warren names in my family tree are Seymour born 1877.
I hope you can help me out many thanks
dan tay.
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Hi dan,
Found this on www.opcdorset.com (Stour Provost page)
Baptism:
James son of Henry & Alice Warren 10 June 1810
Nanny Jan
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Hi nanny Jan,
Many thanks for your reply can we find them on the cens 1841 & 1851 ?
from Dan tay.
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Hi,
The Marnhull page on www.opcdorset.com has various censuses and the Stour Provost page has 1851/1861 censuses.
I don't have access to a general census website. :(
Nanny Jan
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Hey Daniel, sorry to be so long, I went walkabout chasing your Warren Mob of Todber, Dorset. I have no doubt that the Warrens in the area were all related, they breed like Rabbits even today.
I have a few items that might interest you; James, the father of George Warren was born 1807. His son George was married to Louisa and she was a woman of Stalbridge where they may have married c1874. Their children were Eliza b 1875, Seymour b 1877, Alfred Born 1880.
The whole family were living together in 1881all except for Hester Drew/Trew Warren who had died. Both names, Trew and the more likely "Drew" were common around Marnhull. James was born at Stour Provost and he married Hester on the 31st of December 1832. Regarding Enos Warren, he married Caroline c1864/5 and they had children Henry b 1867 Eva b 1669, Emily b1871 and Walter born 1877.
Todber, Dorset appears to be the home town with Stour Provost and Stalbridge aslo having a part. I could not find anything for Enos's brother James except a birth 1842. Hope that helps a little, I think that there is a possibility that Louisa was of the Hook/Restorick family of Colyton in Devon but of that I am unsure, I know that others of that family were living in Dorset. My suggestion is that you have someone look up Stour Provost because that is where George came from and I have a thought that Louisa [born 1846/7/8 might be registered there because she is not registered at Stalbridge in the years mentioned. The Marriage date for George Warren and Louisa Hooke Restorick was 1/4/1867 and that year fits in with the Children's births. Louisa also had a brother Alfred and her mother was Elizabeth. I could not find a Seymour Restorick so that must have been a name George and Louisa threw in to bung up the works. Go not forget to try alternative spellings.
That is all I can find at the moment so have a go at that and see idf any of it fits in. ::)
Regards
Rayw1
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:o Hey Daniel, I hope I have not taken you back further than myself now, your lot were worse than mine for breeding, especially James' grandfather. James' father was Henry and his mother was Alice Wordford. They were married on the 29th of May 1807 by Banns.
Now it looks like you have a little Glitch in the Warren Works in Stour Provost, Henry appears to have been born out of Wedlock [Base born] on 22nd of April 1787 to Sarah Warren, daughter of Henry and Susannah Mary Anne Warren.
They in turn were prolific breeders and had ten children of which nine survived past the age of one year. The children were Sarah b 1764, Martha 1766, Ann 1768, William 1770, Robert 1772, John 1774, George 1776, George 1777, Matthew 1778, and Susannah 1781.
Henry and Susannah were married in 1764 on the 7th of February and Henry was born in 1732 to John Warren [wife not registered] but I suspect that it is Sarah of Marnhull.
The father of Henry [married Susannah Mary Ann] was John Warren [wife was Sarah as far as I am concerned] and they married about 1736. This is as far as I can take you, my neck is starting to hurt. My thoughts are that your John and Sarah were both from Marnhull [Sarah certainly was for she is recorded as being from there in the parish records for Stour Provost]
It is there that you probably join in with the other Marnhull Warrens, that date back to the first John of Marnhull that I know and he was John Warren Born 1617 at Ashburton in Devon. Although this is not absolutely proven, it does seem like the Warrens came from that area into Dorset.
Most of my lot in Marnhull were Parish Clerks combined with a day jpb as stone masons. John and Christopher were names used within our Warrens over and over again and the fact that you have several Johns in your lot may pull them in with mine at Marnhull.
I have since discovered that your John was probably born at or near Swanage [Dorset] in 1701. He married Sarah Hayward at that place in 1730 and I am only able to find William Born to them in 1736 and Henry born 1737 at this moment. It appears that most of the Warrens in the district were related anyway. I hope this assists you in your search. I also wonder if this John [married Sarah] was not the son of John and Ruth Warren in c1690, they had several children and perhaps John was born of them.
Regards
Rayw1[/b]
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Hi Rayw1,
Thankyou very much for your reply, it will take me some time to check it all out but it is very useful, and my mum will be amazed that you have got so far back with the Warren's.
thankyou again,
dan tay.
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I to am trying to trace the Warren Family in Swanage Dorset. My line is James Warren born abt 1731, son of John Warren and Mary Hayward, who married Elizabeth Smedmore. Dont have any information on the Warren, Hayward or Smedmore family. So I to am stuck at John born abt 1701 Swanage. Just started my search last week so if you find a connection I,d be pleased to share anything I can to help.
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Hi
I'm new to Roots.chat but I found you have names on your information that I also have in my family tree.
These are George Warren who married Louisa Hooke Restorick. George was my 3 x Great Grandfather. I have a photograph of him with his first wife Lucy. I don't have much info on Louisa, I have lots on George.
I would like to share info if you are interested.
Regards
Nicola
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Hi Nicola,
Thankyou very much for your reply, It would be great to share the information you have.
I am not certain how it can be done, but I think if you go to your profile page you can send some sort of Private Message, if you want too.
But please keep in touch
Dan tay.