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Hi
I have just found my ancestors lived in Witham. Are any of the parish records available on line? Also does anybody know if Dace is an Essex surname?
Hope you can help
Gill
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This might help Gill :-\
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/NorthWitham/
If you are talking pre 1837 there should be some on the IGI , unfortunately some areas have better coverage than others.
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Thanks Patrish
I'll give it a go.
:)
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hi Gill have just read your posting. I live in Witham and have relative from Essex. I dont know how far you are from Witham but you could try the Essex Records Office in Chelmsford.
The Essex Record Office, Wharf Road, Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 6YT.
Telephone: 01245 244644
Just google essex records office and you will be directed to the essex county council website where you can view a map as well.
I hope that this helps.
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Thanks for that, I'll give them a ring and see if they have online records or whether I need to book a holiday so that I can make a visit in person.
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Hi GillC
Am glad to be of help.
Good Luck
Gill T
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I've got some Witham parish registers (St Nicholas) and wondered who you were looking for and when?
They're not indexed yet but if you can pinpoint a decade and I've got it covered I'll have a look for you!
;D
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Hello, Diblet -
I just found your post from last summer and wonder if you can help me?
I am looking for the marriage of Esther Emmens to an unknown Monteith, perhaps in Witham.
Esther was born in Witham and christened on 11 Mar 1797, daughter of James Emmens and Ann.
She married Thomas Abbott, a widower, as Esther Monteith, widow, on 27 Oct 1833 in Witham.
There was one daughter born to her first marriage - Hannah Maria Monteith, born in about 1829-30 according to census records.
Would you be kind enough to scan your Witham records from, say, 1820-1830 to see if there is a marriage for Esther Emmens?
Many thanks!
Wendy
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Hi Wendy
I have had a look at my Witham marriage records in the time zones you quoted and have not found the marriage you are looking for.
However, I only have the parish records for Witham St Nicholas, so it may be that Esther married the unknown Monteith in another parish of Witham.
By the way, I also checked burials from 1829 to 1833 and couldn't find any Monteith surnames in Witham St Nicholas.
Good Luck!
;)
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Many thanks, Diblet - at least that's St Nicholas ruled out!
The family were non-conformists, but they still had to be married in a church, so they have to be somewhere....! :)
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If you know they were non-conformists, I doubt very much if they'd have got married in a parish C of E church.
A lot of the non-conformist denominations had their own records and burial grounds, so I'd check them first before normal parish church ones.
:)
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I have :( - which is how I have the baptisms...
But as far as I am aware, with the exception of Jews and Quakers, all marriages (if they were to be legal!) had to take place in a parish church prior to 1837.
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Hi again Wendy
Have you managed to track down Thomas Abbott's first marriage in Witham?
There is Emmens activity in Witham St Nicholas parish but not for the Esther you're looking for!
:)
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Yes, Diblet - Thomas first married Elizabeth Smee on 30 Apr 1798. She appears to have died (registered as Mrs Thomas Abbott) in January 1830, and he then married Esther on 27 Oct 1833.
He wasn't very diligent about baptising his children from either marriage - he seems to have baptised the eldest in each case - both apparently in the parish church - and then forgotten about the rest! His son Thomas from his first marriage did better - most of the children of Thomas Jnr and Jemima were baptised at the Witham Independent Meeting, as were most of the Emmens family.
I may have to give up on my elusive Mr Monteith. He and Esther only had one child, who did not marry and died childless herself. But the name Monteith has survived as a middle name in our family and I have always wanted to know who he was! Of course it's perfectly possible that Esther was never married to Mr Monteith at all - like at least two of her sisters, and her own daughters later, she may have gone into service in London, and anything could have happened!
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I've got some Witham parish registers (St Nicholas) and wondered who you were looking for and when?
They're not indexed yet but if you can pinpoint a decade and I've got it covered I'll have a look for you!
;D
Hi Diblet,
I saw your above quoted post and was wondering if you might be able to have a look at said parish registers for any occurence of the Harris family? pre 1830 is fine :D The foremost name I am interested in is Gregory Harris, born c 1781ish and his forebears. Gregory's sons (and a daughter I believe, Elizabeth) were all born in Hatfield Peverel but I as yet have found no baptism records for them either. Would you know if any are available to search online?
Chris.
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Hi Chris
Could you be a bit more specific about what you are hoping I'll find in Witham?
I had a quick look at baptisms between 1775 and 1783 and although there is Harris activity, there's not a baptism for a Gregory Harris.
Do you know where he was born? Have you found him on a census with a place of birth?
Was he married in Witham? When were his children born?
Any extra pointers would be appreciated. As I've mentioned before, my registers aren't indexed yet and it's a busy church, so having more positive things to look up at this stage would be appreciated!
:)
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ah well all I can tell you is he had 4 children that I know of - Elizabeth born um... 1798ish to his first wife, Elizabeth (I think) and John, William and James born to his second wife, Martha (also of Witham parish, don't know her maiden name). John was born c1814, William born c1817 and James c1819 (probably 1820). My husband is descended from James. They were all born, and grew up in, Hatfield Peverel. Gregory died around 1840, I think.... I am going from memory here.... I do know that John, and William, were living in Hatfield Pev. in 1851 along with mum Martha. Or at least William was. James married Elizabeth McKenzie in 1844 in London. John's wife was also an Elizabeth. John moved to Little Badlow as his children were all born there. William married a...Jane I think?? James' only child was called Martha. John had a daughter Martha. William's wife was actually Margaret I think as his daughter was Jane. William at one time lived in Withyham, Sussex (1870's) then moved to Kent I think after James's death. James was the innkeeper at the Dorset Arms Inn at Withyham Sussex in the 1870's. I will check the details and edit this post if necessary.
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Hello Diblet,
I found your post about the Witham parish registers and wondered if you still have them and whether you might be willing to look up some records for me? I'm particularly interested in finding the baptisms of James William Blaxall born about 1805 and his sister Lucy who was born about 1789 (she was born out of Witham, so I'm not sure if she was baptised there). I would also like to know if you can find a burial for a William Walford between ~1833 & June 1841, he would have been ~40-55 years.
I'm also looking for baptisms of an Eliza Walford born ~1835 & her brother James Walford born ~1825, both children of William Walford & Lucy; and also a marriage between James Blaxall & Lucy that took place about 1828.
Many thanks,
Julia
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Hi Diblet,
Any chance that you have the record for Samuel Drewry's marriage to Miss Alder in Witham, 8th August, 1789?
TonyD.
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Hi Tony and Julia
Sorry to have taken so long to reply. At this time of the year I don't spend much time doing my family tree. Too busy outdoors making the most of any sunshine!
However, I had a few minutes this morning and looked a couple of things up.
Tony, as you were very precise with your date/names, the marriage was easy to find. Here are the details;
St Nicholas, Witham.
Ninth August 1789 by licence.
Samuel Drewry bach. of St. Ann's Westminster
Ann Alder spin. OTP
Both signed their names and the witnesses were Thomas Allen and William Constable.
Julia, you have quite a lot on your list, but here's one I found for you;
St Nicholas, Witham
Baptism. 30th December 1804 James William Blaxall. Parents are James and Elizabeth Blaxall.
If you've got heaps of people in Witham and you're in a hurry to trace them, it may be worth buying the fiche from the ERO so that you can research them at home. It's not too expensive and will give you a lot of pleasure trawling through them! (Or order them from a local LDS church if you have one nearby).
Hope this helps you both.
:D
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Diblet,
briliant. Thank you.
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You're welcome Tony.
You'll be off into the murky world of the City of London now!
Good Luck. ;)
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Have done a bit of London already, Diblet.
See for example my web page http://www.drewry.net/TreeMill/indiI421.html.
Unfortunately the new knowledge raises new questions.
The big one is:
Could Ann Alder's name actually have been Ann Allen (as the witness, Thomas Allen)
One could certainly imagine Allen being transcribed as Alder.
The reason for this is that later Samuel and Ann name a child for Thomas Allen (Almost certainly Ann died of problems from the birth of this child.)
I imagine that the witness Thomas Allen could have been Ann's father or brother.
Do you know how I would go about seeing the original entry?
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Tony
Ann's surname is definitely Alder. She has also signed her own name Ann Alder.
Thomas Allen may have just been a good friend.
It's the original entry I've looked at on microfiche so no mis-transcribing en-route!
:)
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Thank you again Diblet.
With hindsight it was a bit of a long shot given that at least 3 newspapers have Alder. Thomas Allen must have been a good friend, as you say. Hopefully we will turn up some more Alders. Have found that there are plenty of alder trees growing along the Witham.
But it is great to finally have Ann's surname. And to have a confirmation that Samuel of Westminster and Samuel of Lincoln are the same Samuel married to Ann. (We had only just discovered the link between Samuel of London and Robert of Lincoln).
All the best,
Tony
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Hi Diblet
I understand you have some records for St Nicolas Witham. I have been told my 4xggf was baptised there on 23 May 1796. His name was Richard HARRIS. I understand the Essex records are online now - do you know if St Nicolas is included? If so, I might have to sign up to expand this line. If you were able to confirm this baptism, it woud be a great help though.
Thanks June
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To June
Baptism from St. Nicholas Witham.
Richard Harris
born June 6th, 1796
baptised 24th July, 1796
son of Christopher and Elizabeth.
also at St. Nicholas.
Marriage
Christopher Harris
Elizabeth Munse
both single and of the parish
by banns
5th December, 1793
witnesses
John Hartin??
Anne Blackwell
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Dear suffolk*sue
Many thanks for your help - I'll look into getting a subscription for the Essex Records Online to follow it up further but it looks like the right family. I got the original info from a tree on Ancestry - date was 2 months out but the census records I have also confirmed Chipping Hill.
If chrislb is still around, please get in touch - I don't recognise the name Gregory Harris but we should compare notes to see if we can help one another.
Regards June
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Hi Elliot2,
The Essex Harris's (Gregory, et al) are,as far as I have been able to find out, from Hatfield Peveral, at least Gregory's children were all born there. Gregory I have so far been unable to trace, apart from, of course his marriage and death and where he lived... no baptism so far.. I shall double check my records though!!
Be good to hear from you and compare notes!!