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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Oxfordshire => England => Oxfordshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: offroad48 on Thursday 24 July 08 11:30 BST (UK)
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Working through the next level back to Henley-on-Thames, Oxfordshire. I have conflicting info from another familiy member. Presently trying to trace the parents of Thomas James Gairns Mattingley. b, 17 Nov 1843. I believe that there are other members of the same family in the Henley-on-Thames area. The claim is his parents were John Thomas Mattingley and Elizabeth Ann Long? Like all info it's essential to confirm. Any help would be appreciated.
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Hi offroad,
Any use?
1851
HO107/1692 589 5
Reading St Giles, Berkshire
11 Crown Street
John T Mattingley, head, 42, Brewer employing 6 men, b. Berks Reading
Elizabeth A, wife, 36, b. do.
Fanny, dau, 14, scholar, b. Oxon Henley
Thomas J, son, 7, scholar, b. do.
Montom E, son, 4, b. do.
Alfred, son, 3, b. do.
Elizth, dau, 2, b. do.
Inft, dau, 1 mo, b. Reading
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Do you have Thomas's birth certificate - this would confirm his parents' names (including mother's maiden name)?
Pennie
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Hi,
From Henley St Marys PRs, courtesy of an Oxon FHS CD:
Baptised Feb 23 1845 Thomas James Mattingley s/o John Thomas, an upholsterer, and Elizabeth Ann.
He's the only Thomas James Mattingley in the indices.
Jill
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1841
HO107/874/4
Henley upon Thames
John Mattinly, 32, Upholsterer, not born in county
Elizabeth, 28, not born in county
Charles, 8
Albert, 4
Fanny, 2
Ellen, 1
Albert, 22, Cabinet M, not born in county
Jane Sellwood, 19, Female servant
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Hi Tati,
Thanks for the info it looks very promising indeed as I have a confirmed birth place for Thomas James Gairns Mattingley as Henley-on-Thames. I will look at the UK atlas and see how close Reading, St Giles is to Henley. Some of the offspring match the rough info I have from our cousin. There is an exact match in the very unusual name "Montom" I have "Montem". Apparentley there were 11 offspring. I note that Fanny was born in Henley! Must be the family. :) Thank you for the instant help.
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Montom, hat a name! FreeBMD spells is Montam but it looks like Montom on the original index.
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Hi Pennie
I don't have the birth cert. I only have his lenghthy occupation record as a Teacher in Toowoomba, Qld where I noted his DOB and Nationality as English (Henley-on-Thames). Will need to visit the State Library in Melbourne to get the BDM info. PS FYI his salary as a teacher in 1883 Qld was £100 (in Australia)
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I just noticed the anomaly in John's occupation - an upholsterer in 1845 and a brewer in 1851!!
So, I looked up the baptisms for the other children on the 1851 census, as provided by Tati:
Aug 24 1838 (born July 23 1838) Amelia Fanny d/o John Thomas, upholsterer & Elizabeth
Sep 2 1840 (born May 27 1840) Ellen Elizabeth - father still an upholsterer.
Sep 9 1846 Montom Edward - father still an upholsterer
both baptised Aug 22 1849 (doesn't give birth dates) Alfred Joseph & Elizabeth Jemima - father still an upholsterer
That's it, so it looks as if their ties to Reading precipitated the change in occupation. Perhaps a relative died and left them the brewing business?
They didn't marry in Henley - more likely in Reading?
Jill
Just seen the 1841 census - will look to see if the 2 oldest children - Charles & Albert were baptised in Henley. I might have missed them.
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Charles Mattingley baptised Jul 14 1833 s/o John, cabinet maker, & Elizabeth
Emily Elizabeth Jan 14 1835 - father is a cabinet maker (buried Apr 11 1837 aged 2)
Albert Feb 3 1837 - father is a cabinet maker.
Jill
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Hi to all from cold Melbourne,
The 11 offspring I have for John Thomas Mattingley but none confirmed and no BDM dates are, Cecelia, Robert, Charles, Emily, Albert, Amelia, Ellen, Thomas James, Montem, Alfred and Elizabeth. The occupation I had for John Thomas Mattingley was Cabinet Maker! Obviously family history that has passed down through the generations on the sketchy piece of paper I have!
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So, there may be 2 even older children lurking in the background!. I'll have another look in Henley - trouble is that there are so many baptisms in Henley that they are divided into sections, and I'm obviously not going back far enough!! ::)
Anyway - good news - I've found John & Elizabeth's marriage on Family History Online:
9 June 1829 New Windsor, Berks
John Thomas Mattingley & Elizabeth Long.
Jill
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Hi Jill
Many thanks for your input and help. EXCELLENT ;D The pieces of the jigsaw are now falling into place and creating a clearer picture! It may be that there are two earlier offspring as the son Charles was age 8 from the 1841 census, ie b.1833. If John & Elizabeth maried in 1829 one can assume that they had other offspring from 1829 to 1833? Perhaps the harsh conditions back then had an affect on the lives of the family.
Nigel (Offroad48)
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Hi Nigel,
It seems the 2 missing children were born/baptised in St Giles Reading. From the IGI:
baptised 23 Apr 1830 Elizabeth Cecilia d/o John Thomas & Elizabeth Ann
baptised 29 Jun 1831 Robert John Mattingley s/o John Thomas & Elizabeth Ann
Both are IGIs extracted from the PRs so should be reliable.
Jill
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Jill
That's great :) I now have all 11 offspring and from other notes I have from the Genealogical Society of Victoria I can match names and more dates in Melbourne. The John Thomas Mattingley family came to Australia and two of his sons were schoolteachers. My next task is to search shipping records for the date of arrival etc and to tie in other info I have of the family. Many thanks to all for the great help you've been. Must sign off now as its nearly midnight in Melbourne!
Nigel (Offroad48)
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Hi Nigel,
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Hi Nigel,
I am also descended from these Mattingleys. My G.grandfather was Alfred Joseph, son
of John Thomas & Elizabeth Ann. I have been researching them for a number of years and
have them back to Roger Mattingley Born 1693 Married Jane Spicer. I also live in Melbourne.
Did you Know Elizabeth Ann started on of the first schools in Melbourne (Now the Errol St Primary
school in North Melbourne. Also they came on the ship with their own furniture and a large tent
and camped in the Flagstaff Gardens as accomodation was hard to find because of the gold rush.
The father and sons took turns patrolling around the tent at night due to the ruffians in the area.
Most of the first generation are buried in the Melbourne General Cemetary. Please contact me for
further info.
Susanne
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Hi Suzanne, I also live in Melbourne and have much info on the Mattingley family and all the branches from the early arrivals in Melb. Also as you can see from past post I have the Oxfordshire link and like yourself further back to 1693. Did you also know there's a Mattingley Lane in North Melb? At the east end of Errol Street there's a Jewelry Shop which is where the very first school was before the big more important State school where the Mattingley's were either teachers or the head master. I have most of the education records too. Please email if you need any detail on your line or wish to share. The Mattingley family I have followed is the Thomas James Gairns Mattingley (he went to Qld) Are you from the Wandin, Victoria branch? Hope to hear from you soon. Nigel
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Hi Suzanne, I also live in Melbourne and have much info on the Mattingley family and all the branches from the early arrivals in Melb. Also as you can see from past post I have the Oxfordshire link and like yourself further back to 1693. Did you also know there's a Mattingley Lane in North Melb? At the east end of Errol Street there's a Jewelry Shop which is where the very first school was before the big more important State school where the Mattingley's were either teachers or the head master. I have most of the education records too. Please email if you need any detail on your line or wish to share. The Mattingley family I have followed is the Thomas James Gairns Mattingley (he went to Qld) Are you from the Wandin, Victoria branch? Hope to hear from you soon. Nigel
Hello Nigel I am from the branch that lived in silvan..my grandfather was Alfred Joseph my mother was Bessie Mattingley..I am looking for the parents of John Thomas born 1809..
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Hi Suzanne, I also live in Melbourne and have much info on the Mattingley family and all the branches from the early arrivals in Melb. Also as you can see from past post I have the Oxfordshire link and like yourself further back to 1693. Did you also know there's a Mattingley Lane in North Melb? At the east end of Errol Street there's a Jewelry Shop which is where the very first school was before the big more important State school where the Mattingley's were either teachers or the head master. I have most of the education records too. Please email if you need any detail on your line or wish to share. The Mattingley family I have followed is the Thomas James Gairns Mattingley (he went to Qld) Are you from the Wandin, Victoria branch? Hope to hear from you soon. Nigel
Hello Nigel I am from the branch that lived in silvan..my grandfather was Alfred Joseph my mother was Bessie Mattingley..I am looking for the parents of John Thomas born 1809..
Hi Suzanne, I also live in Melbourne and have much info on the Mattingley family and all the branches from the early arrivals in Melb. Also as you can see from past post I have the Oxfordshire link and like yourself further back to 1693. Did you also know there's a Mattingley Lane in North Melb? At the east end of Errol Street there's a Jewelry Shop which is where the very first school was before the big more important State school where the Mattingley's were either teachers or the head master. I have most of the education records too. Please email if you need any detail on your line or wish to share. The Mattingley family I have followed is the Thomas James Gairns Mattingley (he went to Qld) Are you from the Wandin, Victoria branch? Hope to hear from you soon. Nigel
Hello Nigel I am from the branch that lived in silvan..my grandfather was Alfred Joseph my mother was Bessie Mattingley..I am looking for the parents of John Thomas born 1809..
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Hello,
I'm a decendent of Albert Mattingley and looking for parents of John Mattingley, father of John Thomas Mattingley 18/10/1809.
John Mattingley was married to Elizabeth Page 21/09/1791 but I have'nt been able to trace past here. My only leads are a possible parents of John Mattingley (James Mattingley 1759 and a Sarah Pope 1762) of Berkshire England.
Any leads or information would be appreciated.
John Mattingley is my 4 times Great Grandfather