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Title: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: alveleyhistorian on Tuesday 22 July 08 06:02 BST (UK)
Hi there,
This is a bit of long shot, but can some kind soul possibly help with a look-up from the 1841 or 1851  census for Warwick Square in Pimilico ?
I am looking for a family named MASON ( could be MONCK MASON ?) known to be living in Warwick Square in 1841
- possibly a James Mason with a wife Ann ?
Daughter Anna Maria Alicia Monck Mason born Summer 1841.

Any help much appreciated :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: Valda on Tuesday 22 July 08 07:42 BST (UK)
Anna gives a different age from the one she gives on the 1881 census on the 1861 census shortly after her marriage.

1861 census RG9 1129 folio 30
Ballingdon Street Ballingdon With Brundon Suffolk
Robert K Longden 40 Head Married Rector of Brent Ely Suffolk Gloucestershire
Anna M A Longden 23 Wife Married Pimlico Middlesex

Her death registration is consistent with an earlier birth

Deaths Mar 1898   
Longden  Anna Maria A  60  Epping  4a 215

Do you have the details of her father from her marriage?

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: jennifer c on Tuesday 22 July 08 20:52 BST (UK)
There is a James & Ann Mason in Marylebone in 1841 at 26 Brown Street 679/5/18
James 40 Labourer
Ann 35 Milliner Both born in the county.

Can only find a Warwick Place  678/11/6-7
Jennifer
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: Bryant on Monday 28 July 08 10:02 BST (UK)
ANNA MARIA MASON's birth was registered within the MARYLEBONE R.D in the Sep qtr of 1841...do you have the birth cert?

Pimlico isn't, as far as i'm aware, within the Marylebone R.D!

Their is a Warwick Square in 1841.......as seen in the 1841 London P.O directory...go to street index, take page number and then add on 30+ pages (image 301)

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/findbylocation.asp

Warwick Square was in the Christchurch Parish and if you input the name Alexander Martin (taken from the 1841 directory as he is seen living there) in 1841 Middlesex and Christchurch as a Parish you will find him or should I say Warwick Square and then you can page up and down if you wish

1861
Robert Longden is 40 born Gloucestershire......1871 he is 53 born Paddington!
Isabella Mallard the 44 year old cook in 1861 went with them to Suffolk.....Isabella was a Shoreditch gal and also hasn't a clue how old she is........seen living with her mum & siblings in Shoreditch 1841

When you look at the view images section of freebmd it quite clearly states ANNA MARIA ALICIA MONCK MASON so one can only assume that Monck is supposed to be MONK and someone assumed that was the way to spell it!

Anna is pretty adamant she was born circa 1838 so perhaps the birth of ANNA MARIA MASON in 1841 Marylebone R.D is not her!

GEORGE MASON married SOPHIA MONK on the 26th March 1826 at St Leonards Shoreditch (the servant came from Shoreditch!) is this Anna's parents?

1861
4 BRIDPORT STREET, MARYLEBONE, MIDDLESEX
SOPHIA MASON      HEAD   54 (WID)                MARYLEBONE, MIDDLESEX
-----------------

Sorry........I don't have access to the 1851

1841
WARREN STREET, ST PANCRAS, MARYLEBONE, MIDDLESEX
SOPHIA MASON   30   IND    YES
-----------------

Bryant
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: jennifer c on Monday 28 July 08 15:13 BST (UK)
Hi, I was looking in Marylebone!!!

It comes under The City of London ref 720/9/28-30.

Still not there .

Jennifer
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: CatOne on Monday 28 July 08 15:42 BST (UK)
The Monck/Monk Mason family seem to come from Ireland and there are a few of them scattered about the different censuses, seems to be quite a wealthy family, is it the same one do you think?  :-\
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: CatOne on Monday 28 July 08 15:49 BST (UK)
Although, after googling, it seems they are "descended from Sir John Mason of Sion, Middlesex". Looks an interesting family if she is a Monck Mason
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: jennifer c on Monday 28 July 08 16:24 BST (UK)
Hi, Could she be related to the family she is visiting on the 1881 census. He seems quite wealthy and he was a Magistrate?

Walter J.W.Poley

Jennifer
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: CatOne on Monday 28 July 08 16:36 BST (UK)
According to IGI, Walter Poley married a Catherine Halifax, wonder if they're related or just friends.

Is her husband Robert K, Robert Knight Longden, son of Thomas Hayter Longden? (hes on thepeerage.com if its the same person)
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: Valda on Tuesday 29 July 08 09:39 BST (UK)
Marriages Mar 1860   
Longden  Robert Knight    St. Geo. H. Sq.  1a 276   
Mason  Anna Maria Alicia Monck     St Geo Han Sq  1a 276

1851 census HO107 1593 folio 112
Weybridge Surrey
William Monk Mason 75 Head Widower B A Annuitant Ireland
Thomas Monk Mason 47 Son Widower B A Annuitant Ireland 
Caroline Georgina Mason 14 Granddaughter Westminster Middlesex 
Alica Mason 1?? Granddaughter Westminster Middlesex
Robert Mason 4 Grandson Hackney Middlesex
plus 1 visitor and three servants

1841 census HO107 732/7 folio 11
27 Coleshill Sreet St George Hanover Square Westminster
Thos Mason 35 Ind(epent) Ireland
Maria Mason 25 not born Middlesex
Caroline Mason 4 born Middlesex
Anna Mason 3 born Middlesex 
Thos Mason 2  born Middlesex
Willim Mason 2 months born Middlesex

Deaths Mar 1849   
Mason  Maria Monck     Chertsey  4 81

Weybridge registers in Chertsey registration district.

Not quite sure whether this is the same Thomas Monck Mason - there are several

1881 census RG11 344 folio 82
Suttons Hospital The Charterhouse St Sepulchre Without london
Thomas Monck Mason 77  Poor Brother Widower Author Religious And Scientific Ireland

Deaths Sep 1889   
Mason  Thomas Monck  85  Kensington  1a 111

http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?LinkID=mp03007

http://original.britannica.com/eb/topic-1442991/Thomas-Mason

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DUUCD--AZdIC&pg=PA451&lpg=PA451&dq=%22thomas+monck+mason%22&source=web&ots=N3goqyMUnU&sig=wpIhhclZe18-n9cy1dFiCzcR5o4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PPA452,M1


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: Valda on Tuesday 29 July 08 10:09 BST (UK)
Caroline Georgina Monck Mason is easier to follow through the censuses than her sister.

Marriages Dec 1873   
Malan  Charles Hamilton     Eastry  2a 1551   
MASON  Caroline Georgiana M     Eastry  2a 1551

1881 census RG11 1194 folio 136
Gervis Rd E. Lindisfarne Christchurch Hampshire
Charles H. Malan 43 Head Married Retired major of infantry Brighton Sussex
Caroline Malan 44  Wife Married Wife of retired major London
plus 5 servants

a widow in Kensington on the 1891 census

1871 census RG10 306 folio 66
129 Mildmay Street Islington
Caroline Mason 34 Head Unmarried Lady Independent  Pimlico, Middlesex

1861 census RG9 604 folio 36
48 York Road Hove Sussex
Charles L Sauvage 85 Visitor Married French Professor Boulonge France
Cecilia M M Mason 9 Daughter East Indies
Alice F M Mason 8 Daughter East Indies
Mary G M Mason 4 Daughter East Indies
Caroline G M Mason 24 Unmarried Cousin London Middlesex
plus 1 governess, 2 visitors and 4 further servants.

Regards

Valda

Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: alveleyhistorian on Tuesday 29 July 08 21:19 BST (UK)
Hi Valda,
This is fascinating. Many thanks  ! :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Does it possibly give the full household for 48 York Road Hove for 1861 ??

Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: Valda on Wednesday 30 July 08 07:17 BST (UK)
The others present on census night in the household in Hove in 1861 were

Edward A Mildmay 8 Visitor East Indies
Lucy M C Monday 31 Governess unmarried Woodside Hants
Ann O'Keef 70 Visitor Widow Nurse Dangarvon? Ireland
Sarah Chiles 37 Servant Mendlesham Suffolk
Clara Chiles 16 Servant Mendlesham Suffolk
Susannah Chiles 23 Servant Mendlesham Suffolk
Gertrude Freeman 12 Servant Nursemaid Mendlesham Suffolk
Ellen M. Warner 15 Visitor East Indies

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: Bryant on Wednesday 30 July 08 07:56 BST (UK)
It does appear that Charles L Sauvage is a visitor to number 47 denoted by / followed by // and the household at number 48 starts with Cecilia aged 9 and also marked daughter.........daughter of whom?

Bryant
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: Valda on Wednesday 30 July 08 08:05 BST (UK)
The cousins full names

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ObnB2K0Pm-gC&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq=%22willism+monck+mason%22&source=web&ots=UxEiVnbjXs&sig=W-GVuzj-zVynk3N3oX9ArKil1Yc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA97,M1

Cecilia Mary Monck Mason born 1851 married 1875 Col. William Lacy Hutchinson
Alice Frances Monck Mason born 1853 married Ferdinand Hess (on the 1891 census in Kensington)
and probably named after an earlier relative but the source doesn't say that for certain
Mary Grey Monck Mason

I think William Monck Mason, the father of Thomas Monck Mason 1803-1889, was William Charles Monck Mason 1775-1859

Deaths Mar 1859  
MASON  William Charles Monck     Kingston  2a 130

He is likely to have left a will.

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/infoabout/civil/probate/index.htm

Maria aged 35, his daughter-in-law, is definitely buried at St James Weybridge, William Charles is not.


Regards


Valda
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: Valda on Wednesday 30 July 08 08:28 BST (UK)
I can't see a marriage (1849) or death registered for the father of the girls in Hove

George Henry Monck Mason 1824-1857

The older brother of the sisters in 1861

1861 census RG9 2087 folio 46
Hallow, Worcestershire
G Gordon Monk Mason  10 Pupil Near Delhi British Subject, India   

Gordon George Monck Mason 1850-?  married 1878 Millicent Rose.

and their mother Sarah Louisa nee Cheyne

1861 census RG9 501 folio 95
Barracks Sandling Road Maidstone, Kent
Sarah Louisa Monck Mason  34 Widow  Lady  Ireland Visitor 

Possible death registration

Deaths Sep 1877   
MASON  Sarah Louisa M  51  Dover  2a 497


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: Valda on Wednesday 30 July 08 08:40 BST (UK)
Cemetery: County WICKLOW, St Pauls Bray Memorials

“On The North Wall Of The Chancel –White Marble Tablet:-\
TO THE MEMORY OF/ GEORGE HENRY MONCK MASON/ )ELDEST SON OF CAPTAIN THOMAS MONCK
MASON R. N.)/ CAPTAIN IN THE LATE 74TH REGT / BENGAL NATICE INFANTRY/ AND
POLITICAL AGENT, JHONPOOR, RAJPOOTANAH/ INDIA/ BORN OCTOBER 23RD 1823/KILLED IN
ACTION AT AWAH IN RAJPOOTANAH/ SEPTEMBER 18TH 1857 / I HEARD THE VOICE OF HEAVEN
/ SAYING UNTO ME WRITE/ FROM HENCEFORTH BLESSED ARE THE DEAD / WHICH DIE IN THE
LORD/ EVEN SO SAITH THE SPIRIT, FOR/ THEY REST FROM THEIR LABOURS/ REV X1V. 18.


http://www.igp-web.com/igparchives/wicklow/cems/st-pauls-bray-mems.txt

Memorials to other members of the family continue.


Lieutenant George Henry Monck Mason - murdered by mutineers at Awah - 8th June 1857
Aged 33. Son of Captain Thomas Mason, Royal Navy, and Mary, of Co. Wicklow. Joined the Bengal Army in 1842. Killed by mutineers of the Jodhpur Legion.
Tablet in St. James' Church, Delhi - "Captain G.H. Monck Mason. Political Agent Joudpore. Killed in Rajpootana."


http://members.tripod.com/Glosters/IM6.htm


George Henry Monck Mason
'''George Henry Monck Mason''' ([[1826]]-[[1867]]X British resident at Jodhpore; nephew of Henry Joseph Monck Mason; dUtinguisht.il himself as assistant to agent at Rajpootaua from 1847, and as political agent at Kerowlee; resident at Jodhpore, 1867; provided for safety of Europeans on mutiny of the Jodbpore legion; accompanied troops to meet Sir George St. Patrick Lawrence , and was murdered by the rebels,


Henry Joseph Monck Mason
'''Henry Joseph Monck Mason''' ([[1778]]-[[1868]]), miscellaneous writer: brother of William Monck; scholar and gold medallist, Trinity College, Dublin; B.A., 1798; Irish barrister, 1800; examiner to prerogative court; subsequently librarian of King's Inns, 1816; corresponded with Robert Southey: organised societies for giving religious instruction to the Irish-speaking population, and for improvement of prisons: instrumental in founding Irish professorship and scholarships at Dublin University; LL.D. Dublin, 1817; works includeEssay on the Antiquity and Constitution of Parliaments in Ireland 1820.


William Monok Mason
'''William Monok Mason''' ([[1775]]-[[1859]]), historian ; brother of Henry Joseph Monck Mason; hind waiter for exports at Dublin, 1796; published The History and Antiquities of the... Church of St. Patrick 1819 (portion of much larger projected work), and a pamphlet, Suggestions relative to... a Survey... of Ireland 1825.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Dictionary_of_National_Biography/10

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: alveleyhistorian on Wednesday 30 July 08 23:43 BST (UK)
Hi Valda,
That's absolutley brilliant,
Many thanks for all the time you've taken to search and transcribe  it all  :) :) :)
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: dumspirospero on Tuesday 23 September 08 21:13 BST (UK)
Hi, The monck masons & Masons were ancesters of mine and I have an extensive family tree and documentation. JAmes does not appear however Thomas was a notable georgian figure. and can be traced back to the Mason's of MAsonbrook and further back
Where is you particular interest
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: dumspirospero on Wednesday 24 September 08 22:29 BST (UK)
Hi
New to this website and can,t seem to reply direct to you

Thomas Monck Mason had three sons, Thomas, William & Robert plus two daughters.  He has a connection with Hanover Square as he was married there and the dates would suggest Anna might be one of those daughters.  Thomas was the notable balloonist, flautist, operatic producer, joint founder of the Garrick Club etc etc etc . Anna would be my gt gt gt aunt (?) if this is correct
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: alveleyhistorian on Thursday 25 September 08 07:38 BST (UK)
Hi
New to this website and can,t seem to reply direct to you

Thomas Monck Mason had three sons, Thomas, William & Robert plus two daughters.  He has a connection with Hanover Square as he was married there and the dates would suggest Anna might be one of those daughters.  Thomas was the notable balloonist, flautist, operatic producer, joint founder of the Garrick Club etc etc etc . Anna would be my gt gt gt aunt (?) if this is correct


Brilliant - will send a personal message
 :) :)
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: TWC on Monday 10 August 09 20:27 BST (UK)
Dear ALVELEYHISTORIAN,

This is my first foray into Rootschat.

My grandmother was Catherine Mason of Ballymacelligott, Co. Kerry, Ireland and I am researching her family.

As far as I can determine, the Masons came to Ireland in the early 1600s and were descended from Sir John Mason of Sion, Middlesex (not to be confused with Sir John Mason of Abingdon, the diplomat and spy).  I have a number of sources for that.

The earliest Masons I have found were Christopher, Henry and Castilian, who were granted rights over certain ports in the south east of Ireland, around, 1622.  Christopher settled in Waterford and married a woman from York in 1627.  Her name was Margaret but I am unable to decipher her surname - it may be 'Wright' but the handwriting is unclear.

By 1645, Margaret was a widow and was living in the City of Waterford.

One of Christopher and Margaret's descendants was John Mason who appears to have had a firm grip on political life in Waterford, was an MP and was knighted in the early 1700s.  He also seems to have been very upright - at his own expense, he upheld the will of Bishop Hugh Gore against false claimants and ensured that the Bishop's estate was used for the benefit of widows and others.  A witness to the Bishop's will was a Michael Mason, presumably a connection of John's.  A Mrs. Michael Mason established the Blue Coat School in Waterford and the Mason arms were displayed over the door of the school.

Sir John died around 1710 and was interred in St. John's Church in Waterford.  Unfortunately, that church no longer exists and I have yet to discover where the remains now are.  His daughter and her child, a twin, also were interred there.

Sir John appears to have been very successful in business and had considerable assets.  His grandson, Aland John Mason married into the Villiers family of Dromana, Cappoquin, County Waterford.  The family, through various marriages, became the Mason Villiers and then the Villiers Stuarts.  Conventionally, the family should have been the Mason Stuarts but the Masons were deemed to be less distinguished than the Villiers and, so, got airbrushed out of that family's history - notwithstanding that Aland John restored their fortunes and cleared their debts!!!

The family seems to have branched out from Waterford.  One branch, who were confirmed arms in 1711, settled in Masonbrook, Loughrea, County Galway.  That family became the Monck Masons when one of them married Sarah Monck of St. Stephen's Green, Dublin in the early 1700s.  (That they were related to the Waterford Masons is undoubted as I have seen a will dated 1714 which confirms that.)  The Monck Mason family later moved to Enniskerry, County Wicklow.  The family home still exists in Enniskerry as does the family grave.  One of them was a member of the Irish Privy Council around 1800.  In the 1800s, they were distinguished academics and scientists- I understand one of them was famous balloonist.  The family also is mentioned in 'A Genealogical and Heraldic History of The Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland' by John Burke in Volume IV Pages 354 and 355, 1838.

The Mason family connection with Wicklow pre-dates the Monck Masons - and may well have been their reason for moving there: Castilian Mason was granted lands in Wicklow in 1628 and, in 1641, Robert Mason wrote from Wicklow to the English Parliament giving an account of the war in Ireland - a copy of the letter is held in the National Library of Ireland.

The earliest I have been able to trace the County Kerry family is to 1704, when a son (John or James) of James Mason of Ballymacelligott married Avis McLaughlin of Ballydowney, County Kerry.

DUMSPIROSPERO if you read this, I would be greatly interested to know whether your research/documentation shows any connection between the Waterford and/or Masonbrook family and the County Kerry Masons.

Regards,
TWC

 










 
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: TWC on Monday 10 August 09 20:37 BST (UK)
Dear DUMSPIROSPERO,

I have replied to ALVELEYHISTORIAN today (re Mason of PIMLICO) - my first time on Rootschat.

My grandmother was Catherine Mason of Ballymacelligott, County Kerry, Ireland and I am researching her family.

I have established an undoubted link, in 1710, between the Masons of Waterford and those of Masonbrook.  I believe the Kerry family were also of the same descent.  Can you tell me, please, whether any of your research/documentation shows a connection between the Waterford/Masonbrook families and that of Kerry.  (While I have information on the Waterford family back to the 1600s, my earliest record for those in Kerry is 1704 when a son of James Mason of Ballymacelligott married Avis McLaughlin of Ballydowney, County Kerry.)

Best regards,
TWC
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: TWC on Monday 10 August 09 20:47 BST (UK)
Dear ALVELEYHISTORIAN,

PS:  I have a (poor) copy of the Burke entry, which I obtained from the National Library of Ireland, and which I could mail to you if that were not to breach any Rootschat rules.

Regards,
TWC
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: dumspirospero on Monday 10 August 09 22:02 BST (UK)
Dear ALVELEYHISTORIAN  & TWC

Its good to hear of some possible ancestry before Robert of Masonbrook.  I know that Robert had two brothers, John (1695-1718) and Christopher (?) and also possibly Nicholas, Edward & Joane. Their father was Christopher also and he was, I understand a Captain in the Navy. My information is that Capt Christopher (or his father Sackville MAson) came from West Worldham in Hampshire.
Robert of MAsonbrook married Sarah monck and that is where the 'monck mason' came from. The family Monck were a significant family from England, an ancestor of whom was The Duke of Albemarle who gained fame during the Civil War ( he was a royalist!). There are couple of incidents of the Masons marrying their cousins in the monck family

He also had a son John (Rt Hon John M M )who was an MP for Blesssington, CO Wicklow and Privvy Councillor and it was he who lived at Mason brook. He married Catherine Mitchell

My information prior to Robert is rather sketchy as this reseach was done by my late grandmother and before the age of the web so I'm not entirley sure of some of the sources. After Robert I have a bit more detail of my direct line.  I really must  go to Ireland and do some research..... :-\
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: TWC on Tuesday 11 August 09 15:39 BST (UK)
DUMSPIROSPERO,

Great to hear from you.  (My mail yesterday to ALEVELYHISTORIAN was done from memory; I updated the mail a few moments ago to make it more accurate.)

Do you know of any connection between the Masonbrook and Kerry families?

I have a (poor) copy of a partial family tree (starts 1627) and goes on for a few generations, which I got from the Genealogical Office in Dublin - I have requested access to the original but they are very slow to respond.  I also have, from the same source, a copy of the confirmation of arms from 1711.  I also have a transcript of the 1714 will of Robert Mason of Masonbrook. You are welcome to copies of those.

I stopped my research into the Waterford and Masonbrook families around 1740, as I knew the Masons were well established in Kerry by then.  However, I understand that the National Archives in Dublin have a Masonbrook archive.

I understand from the London Archive that the Parish records for Sion (i.e. for All Saints, Isleworth) are held in Hounslow.  As I live in Ireland, it is difficult for me to access those; however, if yourself or ALEVELYHISTORIAN were able to do that I would be very interested in hearing the results, in particular, who were the children of Sir John of Sion. 

Best regards,
TWC
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: clonbyrn on Monday 20 February 12 18:56 GMT (UK)
Great to find so much inspiring information through you all.
I am chasing my 3rd. gt-grandfather Rev. Abraham Mason who married Isabel Wall. The family is Irish- or Anglo-Irish- but always thought of themselves as Irish.
He was born about 1775 and she was c. 1780. I can't find anything more about her yet. Rev. Abraham studied at Oxford as well as in Dublin (TCD) and is referred to as 'Gent., of Dublin..and of St. Anne's (C of I) Church, Dublin.'
His eldest son, Rev. Thomas Wall Mason was a prize-winner at TCD in 1820; and inside the book there is a bookplate with a double-headed lion on a shield, surmounted by the mermaid crest; and with a motto underneath reading 'Gloria Deo in Profundis'. Thomas Wall Mason also graduated from Oxford, as did his brothers Abraham II, Jacob and Joseph.
We have in the family a heavy gold signet ring with the mermaid crest on an onyx. Sadly the old stone got lost; but I remember it had an engraved buckled belt as part of the decoration, with the inscription Dum Spiro Spero.
All this seems to be leading me towards the Masons of Masonbrook, but I can't find an Abraham anywhere in various d/b's. Who were his parents?

Can anyone suggest a new line to pursue?
Your help much appreciated.
clonbyrn
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: TWC on Wednesday 22 February 12 15:07 GMT (UK)
Clonbryn,

There are pedigrees for Monck-Mason in Betham Volume 18 (GO Ms 240) and in Donavan Go Ms 384 in the manuscripts section of the National Library, Dublin.  If you send me your email address (*), I will send you copies.  A word of warning - I have not uploaded the pictures yet, so I do not know what the quality will be when I do!!!

Before Robert of Masonbrook:

His father was Christopher.  Christopher, Castilian and Henry Mason were given rights over the ports of Waterford, Dungarvan and Youghall in the 1620s.  Christopher married Margaret Master or Masters in 1627.  She was daughter of Jonathan Master(s).  According to the records, he (Jonathan) was from York or from The Grange, Co. Waterford:  it is possible that he was from both, i.e. that he owned property in both places or, like the Masons, that he moved from England to Ireland.

Christopher and Margaret were the ancestors of the Waterford and Masonbrook families - my interest is in the Kerry family and, while they have common descent with Christopher, I have not established yet what that is.

Christopher and the Kerry branch were descended from, or close relatives of, Sir John Mason of Sion, Middlesex - not to be confused with the Elizabethan diplomat of the same name.  Sir John of Sion's wife, through her mother, was descended from the Touchet/Lord Audley family.

Regards,
Billy
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Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: clonbyrn on Wednesday 22 February 12 16:42 GMT (UK)
Thanks Billy, for your quick reply. It would be wonderful to trace this ancestor if possible.

I've made a list of the Masons descended from John of Sion referred to by all the contributors on these boards, and I have been getting little bits of information through histories of counties in Ireland too. It takes hours....

Looking forward to more bits of the jigsaw.

Regards
clonbyrn
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: pauline1956 on Tuesday 03 July 12 22:51 BST (UK)
Hi not sure if this is of any help to you but I have a letter here that came in a box of letters I bought from an auction that is written by William Monck Mason.  It is dated 1850 and comes from Weybridge.  Not sure what the house is called, looks like Kilsington House. :)
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: sakdolan on Saturday 25 January 14 14:40 GMT (UK)
Hi,

For those interested, in the last couple of years Christies sold a portrait of Robert Mason and his wife Sara Monck (by Offaly-born art artist Charles Jervas). Sites like that can be great for piecing jigsaw’s together. Anyway, Robert Mason had been an agent for Colonel John Browne of Westport (1640-1711, a Jacobite) and at the start of the eighteenth century he purchased substantial tracts of lands to the east of the town of Loughrea which had formed part of the estate of Thomas Burke until them. I am unclear as to why they didn’t stick around Loughrea (surely it’s nicer than Wicklow!) but the wider area on the Tynagh road is now referred to as Masonbrook.

For those interested, this link is a map and picture of Masonbrook House posted by our society:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=587168654710423&set=p.587168654710423&type=1&theater
And this is the link from the page at Christies detailing the item sale (like I say, its worth digging around for whatever areas you're researching):
http://m.christies.com/sale/lot/sale/8012/lot/5457206/search_query/Galway/search_page/1/search_id/182b8a2a-4fde-434f-a956-3120fc766ddc/?KSID=dc862787c89338d691877394d0e05bbc

Best regards,
S.
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: Swanbrook1 on Thursday 01 May 14 20:52 BST (UK)
Clonbryn

I have some information on the Masons you are enquiring about.  Their father was Abraham Mason, a wealthy Ironmonger in Dublin who has an Ironmongery in Clarendon Street and then Dawson Street in Dublin (St Anne's Church referenced in the Oxford Alumni directory you refer is on Dawson Street).  He married a "Catherine" Wall and they had (at least) 5 sons - one of whom Isaac died aged 12 in 1823 and is buried in Donnybrook graveyard with Abraham, who died in 1826.  I can send some attachments (paper clippings etc) if this helps - let me know
Title: Re: 1841/1851 help please - MASON of PIMILICO
Post by: Angela1953 on Tuesday 07 November 23 22:29 GMT (UK)
Hello Pauline,
I think William Monck Mason who wrote the letter you have is the father of Thomas Monck Mason 1803-1889  from whom I am descended. They were living together in a modest cottage in Weybridge at this time.
I’d be very interested to read the letter, if you’re happy to share it.
Happy to pass on any information I have to those interested too.