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Riach and Younie families in Morayshire and beyond.
I have a full family history of both families but am always looking to connect with other reserchers.
Carol
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Do you have any ties with the Younie family from Rafford in Moray? Particularly a John Younie born 1818 who married Ellen Mavor and came to Canada in 1858?
jeff
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Hi Jeff
I have this family in my database but as yet have not been able to link them into my main Younie/Riach lines which seem to go on forever and in all directions.
But I live in hopes that one day all the seperate families may just slip into place. Well I can dream !
Carol
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I have an Elizabeth (Betsey) Riach married in 1823 to my GGGG Grandfather John Culbard from Elgin...does this feature in your connections.
Regards
Jessie G
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Morning Jess
Yes I know of the couple but as yet have not managed to link them in to the main Riach line.
There are so many Riach people of the same name and similar ages you end up with lots of 'hangers on' - there are a few families who I could link Elizabeth with but there is that element of doubt. :-\
But as usual will keep on plodding.
Carol
www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb
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I was wondering if you have any connection with John Younie married Janet Chalmers in 1774 Knockando, Moray. I am descended from their eldest daughter Janet Younie who married John Black. I would love to fill in more information on this family. ::)
Wendy Invercargill, New Zealand
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A match, although distant.
John Younie is the great grand uncle of George Younie Their common ancestors are George Younie.
The first George Younie mentioned is married to Helen Riach. Helan and I being 3rd cousins 3 times removed.
Distant but still on the tree.
If I can fill any gaps, and visa versa let me know.
Carol
www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk
Wakefield Family History Sharing
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Hi Carol
Bascially all the information I have on the YOUNIE family are the children of John Younie and Janet nee CHALMERS (from IGI) as well as the descending line through Janet and John BLACK. I believe the father of John Younie was also a John, but I think you seem to have much more information on this family than I have.
As I am new to Rootschat, is there any way we can share information or is it all done through Rootschat.
Wendy
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Do you have any ties with the Younie family from Rafford in Moray? Particularly a John Younie born 1818 who married Ellen Mavor and came to Canada in 1858?
jeff
I was wondering if you have any connection with John Younie married Janet Chalmers in 1774 Knockando, Moray. I am descended from their eldest daughter Janet Younie who married John Black. I would love to fill in more information on this family. ::)
Wendy Invercargill, New Zealand
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Sorry I don't have any information relating to Younie family from Rafford at this time. I wish you well in your hunt.
Mine all seem to be around the Knockando area at the moment not that can't change very quickly. My primary family is the Black family from this area.
Wendy
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My aplogies for not writing sooner, not been on and checked for a while. :-[
Chalmers / Younie
John Younie and Janet Chalmers are in my tree via the marriage of a George Younie and Helen Riach in 1879.
John & Janet being the the great grand uncle and aunt of George Younie b 1850.
The link is
George Younie 1850
James Younie 1814
George Younie 1785
Alexander Younie 1761 **
George Younie 1723
(**George being a poss father for Alexander)
or James Younie 1814 could have George Younie & Margaret Findlay as poss parents.
I seem to have a split line with two lots of parents
BUT the George b 1785 seems the most likely as the other parent would only have been 17 - not inpossible or inprobable but I seem to lean towards the older line
I have the line mainly from George Younie 1850, sideways, frontways etc.
:-\
Carol
www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk
Wakefield Family History Sharing
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Might I suggest you have a look at the Morayshire Heritage Centre, based in Elgin, which has a very informative database. You will find it at : http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp.
Bill
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I have Jannet Younnie, my 5th G Grandmother, daughter of John Younie.
John b. Mar 1756 Rothes
Jannet b. Feb 1781 Rothes
I dont know who Jannets mother was.
Jannet married William Siveright in 1797 in Rothes.
Regards
Julia
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HI Julia,
Your Janet b. 1781 is the daughter of John b. 1748 ( most likely in Dundurcas Parish) and Janet Chalmers of Rothes, Morayshire. John is the son of George Inie of Rothes, who farmed at Overton Farm which is part of Easter Elchies now connected to McCallum Distillery, Morayshire. This Janet Younie married John Black and had six children.
My husband, Guy is a direct descendant from John who was his 5 gg grandfather. I have a great deal of information regarding this family and their immigration to Canada and the US.
Would be happy to share information with you.
Pat Younie
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Hi Pat
I think then maybe I have the wrong family here LOL. It wouldnt be the first time.
The reason I got this Janet was from her daughter. My Janet married William Siveright in 1797 in Rothes, and I have never found any other information about her, so unless she remarried John Black then I am totally stuck again with this family. And then I searched back through the IGI so probably totally wrong.
As far as I am aware Janet and William Siveright had only 1 child Janet b April 1802 in Boharm. But William did remarry in Feb 1802 before Janet was born (he married Margaret Brown) and i have much information from this marriage. So she could have married again.
If she did remarry John Black i would love to here more from you.
Regards
Julia
Dundee, Scotland
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Hi Pat again
Just been on a search on the NAS after reading an above post of yours, regarding George Younie b 1785 and to see if there were any files regarding divorce or something against a Janet Younie.
Regarding murder of his wife in 1856. Mind you he was 71 years old and i can only imagine it was on compassionate grounds at that age. Verdict: Not guilty, Sentence: Assoilzied simpliciter and dismissed.
Probably a very sad story. His wife was Margaret.
Julia
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Julia,
I think I have some information about Janet Younie and Silverwright. I need to get into my paper files. Seem like someone sent me some information about this union at one time and since it wasn't our family line, I filed it. Will get back to you after I have had a chance to locate the information.
Pat
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Does anyone know how I can obtain information about the old Rafford Church in Moray? Elspet Younie, daughter of John Younie (son of William Younie and Janet Duncan) and Elspet Key is my paternal gggg grandmother. I understand she, her husband (my gggg grandfather) James Mellis and her parents (and other Younie family members) are buried at Old Rafford Church.
Am interested in corresponding with others researching Younie family. Does this Younie branch tie into the Riach and Younie family?
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Just found this site. This is my first posting so please be tolerant!
My g.g. aunt Margaret McDonald (born Rafford 1817) married George Younie (born Rafford 1815) in Rafford on 5th November 1852. He was the eldest of the 8 sons of John Younie and Ann Collie. The next son John (born 1818) was presumably the one who married Ellen Mavor and went to Canada.
In the 1851 Census George is shown as working on his father's farm in Rafford but sometime before the 1861 one, probably on his marriage I suppose, he moved to Knockando and farmed Tomlea there for the rest of his working life. Margaret died at Tomlea on 03.03 1891 and George, by then described as "retired farmer", died at Aberlour, Banffshire on 05.02 1898. The Informant on his Death Certificate was his brother William Younie of Bishopscroft farm, Kockando. They are both buried together in Knockando graveyard, according to the LIBINDX Cemetary Search. Their LIBINDX ref. nos are NM203767 and NM203944 if you want to find out more.
I checked all the Censuses from 1861 thru' 1881 and no children are shown on any of them, so I don't expect to hear from descendants!
While I was in Rafford in July last year I visited the Rafford Old Churchyard. It really is a beautiful little cemetary and very well cared for. Although I was mainly looking for my McDonald ancestors who are in there I also took two photographs (from different angles for legibility) of the Headstone on the grave of John Younie and Ann Collie. In it are also two of their sons Thomas and Lewis and also (clearly a much later inscription) the ashes of a Margaret Elizabeth Bruce Henderson nee Younie who died 01.09 1956 in her 89th. year.
As it is a digital photo I have it on file and if anyone would like copies I would be happy to send them. Bits of the churchyard appear as background, but not much. Let me know your e-mail address and I'll send them as attachments.
alastairgm
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Would very much like a picture of the Rafford cemetery. Thank you for the offer.
Pat Younie
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Alastair -
Sent a message to your other e mail but in case you didn't receive ...
Just wanted to say "THANKS" for the pictures of the Old Rafford Cemetery. Great pictures. Looks like a quiet peaceful area. I hope to get over that way next October.
yn9man
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In Reply No. 18 above I wrote:-
"The next son John, (born 1818), was presumably the one who married Ellen Mavor and went to Canada."
Subsequent investigation has shown this was incorrect. My confusion was caused by there being a John Younie, son of John Younie and Anne Collie, unmarried, age 33, at Rafford Farm in the 1851 Census and then a John Younie, age 42, married, with a wife, Margaret, and a 17 year old daughter, Mary Younie, there in 1861. My initial assumption was that these must be two different John Younie's, the first one being the one who married Ellen Mavor.
However when I looked at the 1863 Marriage Certificate of Mary Younie it stated that although John Younie was her father her Mother was an Isabella Nicholson of Dyke, (deceased). Actually Mary Younie had been at Rafford Farm in 1851 also, but described as a Granddaughter of John Younie snr. with no indication that she was John Younie jnr's illegitimate daughter.
Four years before his daughter's marriage John Younie, Batchelor, age 39,(actually he was almost 41) had married a Margaret Anderson in Forres and on his Marriage Certificate he is shown as the son of John Younie and Anne Collie. John and Margaret had only the one child, a daughter named Margaret Elizabeth born in 1868. They continued to farm Rafford Farm until the 1880's.
This John Younie died at his daughter Margaret Elizabeth Henderson's house in Edinburgh on 23rd. Jan 1906 and on his Death Certificate it again confirms that he is the son of John Younie and Anne Collie.
This, I think, proves he is not the John Younie who married Ellen Mavor and went to Canada.
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It would appear that John Younie, the one who married Ellen Mavor and left for Canada, was really the son of George Younie and Ann Brander. He was born at Hillockhead (farm - just south of Rothes) 11 November 1819. I have come across a few references to this family on the internet with George Younie (John's father) born 12 Jan 1771 at Tomlea, Wester Elchies to James Younie and Anne Clarke.
George died 8 April 1840 and is buried at the Boharm Churchyard in Moray. His gravestone inscription says he was in his 70th year and resided at Hillockhead. The parish records show he was also living at Hillockhead in 1818 when he and Ann Brander were married.
I have been unable to find anything that actually proves George Younie of Hillockhead was born in Tomlea to James and Anne Younie in 1771. Does anyone with Younie connections have anything on this George Younie that would lead me to his parents?
Jeff
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Can help you with George. James Younie and Anne Clarke were from Overton Farm which is part of East Elchies or to the point where McCallum Scotch is now located. James is the brother to my husband's 5 gggrandfather John Younie who married Janet Chalmers. Their father was George Inie of Rothes(Dundurcas parish). George was an elder in the church.
Children of James and Anne Younie
Elizabeth B. 1768, Wester Elchies(Tomlea)
George B. 1771 ( Tomlea), D. 1840 m. Anne Brander
Margaret B. 1773, Tomlea m. James Farquharson
Helen B. 1776 Tomlea m John Douglas
Grizel B. 1780
Hope this is helpful. I have most of the early history for this family.
Pat Younie
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Hi Julia,
Have a Margaret Brown 1771 - 1862, partner to James Younie, Rothes, her parents are Robert & Jane Brown, from D.C. Her childrens OPR Births state both as parents but no marriage record can be found ( Knockando fire?)
Children are:
John Younie 1801 - 1860.
James Younie 1803.
Jane Younie 1805.
Alexander Younie 1808 - 1855.
Thomas Younie 1812 - 1897.
Alexander's line leads to a John Mavor Younie 1901 who has relatives in Canada, family from Rafford, Redhill, John's parents Alexander Younie 1853 & Margaret Davidson 1868 who married in Kingussie & Insh, 1893.
I think my wife's line & yours must connect somehow. Other places noted on family documents are Knockando, Rothes, Edinkillie, Dallas and Burgie Hill farm and Califer farm feature in quite a few as well as Redhill.
Regards,
Duncan.
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Hi Duncan,
Interested in your references to Younies in Rafford (Hill of Burgie and Califer farms) and Knockando.
See my Replies #18 and #21 above. Any connections?
Alastair
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Hi,
It's possible there may be, have not traced all connections, can send Gedcom with what I've found. Part of tree comes from Richard Younie who is connected to our tree and descendant from Redhill, Rafford. So if you supply email, I'll forward Gedcom.
Regards,
Duncan MacDonald.
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Just to throw my hat in this ring, I have two daughters of George Riach and Elisa Proctor in Rothes who married two of my Leslie relatives.
Also William Younie (1914-2006), son of James Younie and Catherine Innes, married a relative of mine.
If anyone is interested in their descendants, please let me know off-list.
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All MI abstracts from Rafford churchyard are available on-line at www.mbgrg.org
(Moray Burial Ground Reserach Group)
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i have an Ann Riach who would be my great great grandmother who married william anderson. Ann was born in 1844 and her parents were William Riach and Janet Gordon
Are these Riachs part of your family
they originate from Dallas in Moray
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Wondering if any of you have any insight or information into a Margaret Younie of Knockando, born in 1777, who married John Proctor of Boharm (I think). If you do, or are interested I can give you branch info for their children and so on.
- Proctor
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Off Topic
McCallum Scotch
Just in case anyone is looking for this online, it is Macallan not McCallum
http://www.themacallan.com/splash.asp
and in Scotland we don't use the word 'Scotch' as a noun and seldom as an adjective. That means that while we might talk about 'Scotch whisky' or a 'Scotch egg' or 'Scotch mist' we never say 'Scotch' on its own when we mean whisky. It is always taken for granted that if you order a dram or a whisky that you mean Scotch whisky. If you want any other sort you would probably specify the brand, though as I've never committed such a heinous sin I wouldn't really know :)
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three pubs in three different cities (Edinburgh, Inverness and Stirling) simple question, "What's the best whisky I can buy?" One, only one answer at each pub, "MacAllan."
speaking of which ... there's a lovely 15 year old waiting for me in my kitchen
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I have one Elizabeth(Betsy) Riach(born abt 1790 in Inveravon - 1879), married to James Stewart (born abt 1781 - 1869). Elizabeth's parents are James and Margaret, sorry no more information. Any further back for this line would be greatly appreciated, thank you.
emjaye
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I have one Younie in my family tree,but no info. on the Younie family
James Younie born 1829 Aberlour died 1915 Elgin
Married Ann Simpson 1858 in Lhanbryde Ann was the aunt of my
gt grandmother Jane Simpson.
James later married a Lily McKenzie.
Sorry I have no other information and dont know if this is the same Younie's.
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To alastairgm
Regarding your presumption that for Margaret McDonald (born Rafford 1817) + George Younie (born Rafford 1815)
'I checked all the Censuses from 1861 thru' 1881 and no children are shown on any of them, so I don't expect to hear from descendants!'
From the Land Sasines
14 Jan 1857 - George Younie residing at Charlestown Aberlour leased No. 55 on Plan of Barony of Charlestown Aberlour. Being part of lands of Allochy par Aberlour or Skeirdistown on Feuch by James Grant of Wester Elchies
23 Aug 1890 - George Younie - Farmer Tomlea Knockando gets No. 55 back again
6 Apr 1898 - George Younie transfers No. 55 to his son when he dies - his son is George Younie - Custom's Officer Cambus Stirling
As you know he never mentioned his son in his will
It may not be the same George although the dates seem to tie up
Andy
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Hi Andy,
As far as I know the George Younie, Customs Officer, who had the Aberlour property after George Younie, Widower of Margaret McDonald, died was the son of his brother William Younie and Sophia Hay Allerdyce, born in Knockando 24th Dec. 1860. He is NM203766 in the LIBINDX system. He is therefore George snr's nephew rather than his son. As I said, I can find no evidence of any children for George and Margaret McDonald.
Thanks for the contact. Alastair MacDonald
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i have an Ann Riach who would be my great great grandmother who married william anderson. Ann was born in 1844 and her parents were William Riach and Janet Gordon
Are these Riachs part of your family
they originate from Dallas in Moray
I have a Grizel (Grace) Riach who married a Simon Fraser on 20 June 1789 in Drainie, Moray, Scotland. I am trying to track down more of the Riach line as my grandmother died and she does not have much information on that part of our family. It appears that her father was Alexander Riach but unsure who the mother is. There is another Riach in our line - Beatrix who married Patrick Thomson on 23 June 1795 in Rothes, Moray, Scotland. They had 5 children??
Would be most grateful if you have any information that might link these people to your Riach line. Thanks Amanda
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I was in Rafford old chuchyard two weeks ago, looking for any references to my Collie ancestry and saw the John Younie and Anne Collie headstone (still standing !!). I am still trying to make the connection to Anne Collie in my family tree, but getting there slowly.
For those of you that are interested, the parents of Anne Collie were GEORGE COLLIE and CATHERINE BREMNER, (various spellings of her name) There are quite a few siblings spread over a long time frame.
Also if you are looking for John Younie in any of SctotlandsPeople or Family Search (IGI) it has been mis transcribed as YOUNG.
Regards
Vanman
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I noticed your post about James Younie whose 2nd wife was Lily(lillias) Mackenzie who was my great grand aunt, she was born in second coast in the parish of Gairloch I think they had at least 7 children .I have quite a detailed family tree for her if you would like more information. regards calunm mac
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Do you have any ties with the Younie family from Rafford in Moray? Particularly a John Younie born 1818 who married Ellen Mavor and came to Canada in 1858?
Hi Jeff,
These are linked to my wife's Younies in Rafford which connect to you.
Regards,
Duncan.