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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Busterx on Monday 21 July 08 17:18 BST (UK)
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Hello
Has anybody know how I can trace when my grandmothers cousin Jack Stephens travelled to NZ. The only clue is that he married in the 1920's (date unknown) but the photo was taken in the UK (Newmarket) but then a little I have a family portrait from the Belwood Studios Auckland NZ.
I have a later clue that he travelled back to England & then back to NZ via Australia with his wife Adeline Emily on the P & O ship Strathaird, out of London, in 1950.
Many thanks
Elton
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Hi Elton
You could start here:
http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp
They have passenger lists for 1890-1960.
The index is free to search.
Bren
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Hi Bren
Unfortunately I have searched that webiste, found the 1950 passenger list but nothing earlier.
Do you think they could have of swam????
Elton ;D
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Hi Elton
Did you check UK to Australia as he could have gone there first?
Bren
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Hi
Is his first name JACK or known as JOHN, any middle names?
From Auckland Library site Belwood studios operated:
Known years of operation 1929 1932 1935 1936 1937 1938 1943 1946 1953 1954 1955 1956 1958 1959 1960/1
http://0-www.aucklandcity.govt.nz.www.elgar.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/photographers/basic_search.htm
BYe
Althea
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Sorry a little confused,
You only want the year of the first voyage ?
So you know where and when he died and where he married, etc
The 1950 trip was Southampton to New York ?
He was born 1907 ?
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Hi all
Jack was born 1897 in St Columb Cornwall & shown as Jack on his birth index/1901 census. The index gives his middle name as Salter. His mother according to my late grandmother (her aunt) was never married.
I am persuming he sailed out of London on the Strathaird to Sydney with his wife Adeline Emily - occupation Hairdresser - last known address Gorley Veum Tregoney Truro Cornwall. Country of intended future permanent residence given as NZ. I am saying persuming as I can't be 100% be sure if this the 1897 Jack - although his age is given as 53 & middle name is shown as Salter (both as per birth index).
I have the family photo in for dating & only one reply has come through for the early 1930's.
Sorry date/place of marriage unknown & date of death in also unknown.
Many thanks for everybodys help.....time to go back to bed, alarm goes off in 2 hours!
Elton
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this NZ Marriage looks like them:
1923 folio Ref: 03350
John Salter STEPHENS
Adeline Emily McINTOSH
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Hi Elton,
Welcome to RootsChat ;D
Baptism lists John
John Salter STEPHENS was baptised 5 July 1901 St Columb Major Mother Jane Stephens single woman of Union Hill
Henry STEPHENS was baptised 12 June 1904 St Columb Major Mother Jane Stephens single woman of Union Hill
Looks like both boys were a few years old at baptism.
Cheers Kris :D
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Possible first arrival
Name STEPHENS, J
Vessel MAHENO: Departed:SYDNEY Arrived:AUCKLAND 07 Jul 1920
Notes Male. Title: MR. Age: 23. Occupation: ref: STEVENS p779. Place of birth: BRITISH.
Source Archives NZ reference: BBAO 5552/7a page: 773
Now you have the marriage, the cert may give residence info/or Intention to Marry time in NZ to narrow down when John/Jack arrived in NZ
BYe
Althea
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Well what can I say :D some of the best responses I have ever had on a message board such as this!
Bren looks like you found the marriage as Kris's find matches as Jacks mother was Mary Jane Stephens & the family lived on Union Hill St Columb Cornwall & Henry or as he was known Harry was indeed his younger brother. And what Althea found is probably his 1st sailing to NZ via Australia. Althea was Broadway Studios Newmarket also in Auckland? - this where the wedding photo was taken. Would I have to apply for the marriage cert via a NZ website?
My grandmother always said her grandfather forgave his daughter for getting pregnant the 1st time as it was a mistake BUT a 2nd time???!!!!
Many many thanks for everybody's hard work & patience!
Elton
Here is Jack & Adeline: Next is Harry during WW1
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Great to have pics to go with someone we have been "chasing'
Yes Newmarket is in Auckland
http://www.zoomin.co.nz/map/nz/auckland/newmarket/ and Broadway is a street, so probably thats how studio had its name
Apply for marriage cert at
"Electronic printouts are available for Births 1848-1997, Deaths 1848-1997 and Marriages 1854-1997, and can give more information than a certified copy of a certificate.
Address: Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages, PO Box 10526, Wellington 6015.
Use the website to download an application form and check current prices: http://www.bdm.govt.nz
"
Bye
Althea
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Hello Althea
Just thought I would let you know I added Adeline Emily to my Ancestry tree & found a match. Adeline died age 98 in 1995 Truro Cornwall - what an age. Was born 05.10.1896 Totara North, Kaeo, Bay of Islands, New Zealand
The children in the family photo early 1930's were Douglas & Dorothy (see the photo restoration board).
Elton
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Well DONE ;D
The first place I usually look is WORLD CONNECT, but slipped up this time
I see you have lots of trees and contacts to pursue there
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi
You are going to be busy
We are all envious LOL ::)
Bye
Althea
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John Salter Stephens was my Maternal grandfather.
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I would also be interested in more details regarding John's mother, her sister my Paternal grandmother andany general information about the Stephens side.
Ray Rounsevell
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Hi all
Jack was born 1897 in St Columb Cornwall & shown as Jack on his birth index/1901 census. The index gives his middle name as Salter. His mother according to my late grandmother (her aunt) was never married.
I am persuming he sailed out of London on the Strathaird to Sydney with his wife Adeline Emily - occupation Hairdresser - last known address Gorley Veum Tregoney Truro Cornwall. Country of intended future permanent residence given as NZ. I am saying persuming as I can't be 100% be sure if this the 1897 Jack - although his age is given as 53 & middle name is shown as Salter (both as per birth index).
I have the family photo in for dating & only one reply has come through for the early 1930's.
Sorry date/place of marriage unknown & date of death in also unknown.
Many thanks for everybodys help.....time to go back to bed, alarm goes off in 2 hours!
Elton
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Jack Stephens also in Cornwall known as John. For some strange reason John and Jack are interchanged in Cornwall. Jack was called John by my Father who was both his son in law as well as his cousin.
Jack/John emigrated to New Zealand after the first world war. He was sponsored by a former resident of St Columb Major who invited him over to New Zealand to train as a gents barber. He was a gents hairdresser for the rest of his life.
He died in St Michaels Hospital Hayle Cornwall on 1st April 1984 and is buried in Truro.
He married my grandmother Adeline Emily McIntosh in 1923 in Auckland New Zealand.
They had two children :
Dorothy Iris Rounsevell (nee Stephens) 13.02.1924 (My Mother).
Douglas John Stephens
In 1948 my mother came to the uk on a trip to meet her grand mother and cousins. Over the course of the visit she met my father and did not return to NZ.
In 1950 Jack /John and Adeline visited this country for a trip and stayed both at St Columb and at Goviley Vean Tregony where John's mother lived. She lived there from 1912 until her death in the early 1950's. Her Sister Elizabeth my grandmother died in 1912 aged 42 leaving my father and other siblings without a mother.
In 1953 John and Adeline returned to the UK where they settled for the remainder of their lives.
As a footnote Elizabeth also had at least two children out of wedlock (Fred Stephens and Annie who was born in the Channel Islands according to the 1901 census.
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Hi - Just came across your message. I have been researching the Salter family in Hayle at around that time. there ws only one Salter family in the area which had been founded by Job Salter born Draycot Cerne, he ws a private in the Wiltshire Militia, he married Mary harry in 1799 when he was stationed in redruth. Their son Job Salter born in 1799 became an Engineer at Copperhouse Hayle, his son also Job Salter was born in 1825, they had a son thomas James Harris Salter who was a mate in the royal Navy, I cant find him past the census in 1881 but I know from his naval records that he served until 1887, could he be a potential father for your John salter Stephens. as I mentioned these Salters were the only ones in Hayle at that time. I have accounted for the rest of the Salter clan . His naval records say that he ws married but I have never found a wife for him or marriage record or any trace of him past 1887 but that is not to say he wasn't in the area past that date. A whole bunch of other Slaters were, anyway I would be interested in your thoughts on the matter.
REgards Lynne