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Title: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: Dazville on Wednesday 16 July 08 22:29 BST (UK)
Hi People

I was looking on familysearch.org and found a possible marriage for my ancestor within thurmaston..
So I duly clicked on the link to find the following alarming name!!

Henry Smith /Elizabeth Fucks March 31st 1755 Thurmaston

I checked the thurmaston records and I cant find these pair...
Can anybody help as I am not convinced, especially  by her name

All the best

Darryl
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: Dazville on Friday 25 July 08 19:35 BST (UK)
Hi just a quick update
I went to the Records office today and I did not find a record for these pair under the Thurmaston,Barkby,Belgrave & Humberstone parishes,although on familysearch it states there is a record..
I will keep this on the backburner for now....

Kind regards

Darryl
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Wednesday 16 February 11 17:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Darryl, Great to find someone with the same problem on Henry Smith 1730 ? Thurmaston and wife Elizabeth {last name on IGI is rude as you found} He is my 5th great grandfather they had 8 sons and 3 daughters. one son, John Smith 1761-1846 who married Mary Harris 1761-1841 is my link from Henry.
We were told that their were only 2 main smith family's in Thurmaston for 200 years.
One being Henry/Elizabeth, the other was William/Sarah price, both of these families had sons called John Smith both born in the same year died different dates.
My John was married to Mary Harris as I have said, and the other John Smith 1761-1829 married Ann Ilston 1762-1797.

Where is your link to this family and have you had any other information since 2008 Elizabeth  F----s question.

Bye for now
Ann {in Somerset UK}
 
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 17 February 11 13:53 GMT (UK)
this site:

http://leicestershireparishrecords.blogspot.com/2010/05/phillimores-marriages-thurmaston-1719.html

has thurmaston marriages from the Phillimore volumes. however 1755 is missing apparantly - vol 1 goes up to 1754 and vol 2 starts 1756! may be worth looking for other family members though.

Diddy
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 17 February 11 13:54 GMT (UK)
btw - welcome to Ann from all on the Leics board!!

Diddy
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Thursday 17 February 11 21:03 GMT (UK)
Hi all I have
Thomas smith 20 DEC 1786- 04 Feb 1857 he married Sarah Brewood 1796  thurmaston
 they had 3 daughters and 3 sons Martha 1822, William 1825, Ann ilston 1828, George 1833, Harriet 1835, & Charles 1838

These where 2 smith family's in thurmaston for over 200 years
1/ John smith 1761-1829 father was William smith 1731-1788 mother Sarah price 1732. and his wife was Ann Ilston
 The other was

2/ John Smith may 1761- June 1846 father was Henry Smith 1730 and Elizabeth ?1734 this john married Mary Harris 1761-1841 and had 4 sons and 3 daughters {this is my blood line

These two family do join with Caroline e smith Jan 1837-1902 {from the illson/smith family}she married George smith 1832 coming from the Henry smith/Elizabeth

Henry Smith & Elizabeth where my 5x grandparents
their son John smith/ Mary Harris my 4x grandparents
john smiths brother William smith 1756 was my 4x great grand uncle
His son William 1782 1x cousin 5x removed
his son Samuel 1810 2xcousin 4x removed
his son George 1832 3cousin 3x removed he married Caroline smith {smith was her madam name as well as her married

Well hope you all understand that and can give you some help {this beats football LOL}

How is all this worked out when they say ? x removed
i wonder if we can find Henry Smiths father it would say on his birth or baptism  wouldn't it??

Bye for now
Ann nee Smith {in Somerset UK}

Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: Dazville on Thursday 17 February 11 21:23 GMT (UK)
  :o
Wow thanks Ann, this has given me some hope!!  :-*
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Thursday 17 February 11 21:33 GMT (UK)
Thats ok let me know how you get on, where in the counry do you live,
and what is you line in the tree as might have more info to help you out ; ???

Bye again ::)
Ann
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: Dazville on Thursday 17 February 11 21:36 GMT (UK)
I live in Leicestershire, I have visited Thurmaston Church many times,I have taken a picture of Thomas Smith 1786 & Sarah Smith(nee Barfoot) headstone..
I evolve through Thomas Smith 1786  :)
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Thursday 17 February 11 21:59 GMT (UK)
thats interesting barfoot as wee have sarah brewood markfield leicestershire 1795 her father was john brewood 1760 mother alice brewster 1765, I will check the name again on my tree tomorrow, you says it's on the stone. ???

Football finised so will go in with the family now, will tell my other half Peter about the name and get him to look around for the name Barfoot {well he's retired now as well}

Bye for now
Ann
night night :)
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: toni* on Thursday 17 February 11 22:06 GMT (UK)
Mary Barfoot b. circa 1784 Thurmaston
entry 1806.
St Michael’s & All Angel’s Parish Church. Thurmaston
Mary Barfoot christened 18 Oct 1784 Chapelry of Thurmaston d/o Thos & Eliz

and

Thomas Bentley. ~ Mary Barfoot.

Married in this Church This Seventeenth  Day of February.
By Banns.

1851 HO107;  2088;  528;  8;
1861 RG9;  2287;  59;  20

i descend from this couple :)


Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: Dazville on Thursday 17 February 11 22:19 GMT (UK)
Hi
I have always known it to be Sarah Barfoot.. 1851 census also states Sarah was born Thurmaston.
Marriage 31.10.1818 Thurmaston.
I have the picture of the Headstone it just states Thomas Smith & Sarah Smith, the inscription is quite bad but I think it says Sarah, Born May 1799 but could say 1800

All the best

Darryl Smith
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: toni* on Thursday 17 February 11 22:22 GMT (UK)
hopefully she connects to my Mary  :)
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: Dazville on Thursday 17 February 11 22:26 GMT (UK)
Hmm this has once again got very interesting  :)
Hmm could also be a link to Mary... 8)
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Friday 18 February 11 08:43 GMT (UK)
Morning Darryl,
My john smith 1761 who married mary harris 1761 had a thomas july 1792 as well he married elizabeth pole 1792 any link

If you give me some names leading to you I might have some info??

3 years ago I thought your john smith was my link took me 2 years to find out it wasn't , thats the thing with the smith name  :'( all that hard work and money down the drain you could say {but will help you out}
I have 20 thomas smiths on my tree this is my blood link
John SMITH (1761 - 1846) mary Harris
is your 4th great grandparents
William Miles SMITH (1782 - ) sarah derry 1784
Son of John
Henry SMITH (1817 - 1890) ann bentley 1816
Son of William Miles
Thomas Henry SMITH (1840 - 1902) Phoebe Kinton 1939
Son of Henry
Robert Graham SMITH (1863 - 1940) Rebecca M Fryer
Son of Thomas Henry
Robert Stuart SMITH (1893 - 1952) Gwen webber 1914
Son of Robert Graham
Ann Caroline SMITH {ME}1947

Link from to your
 john smith 1650 married Mary 1650
their son Thomas 1676 their son
thomas smith 1707 {M} thomasin swan 1711 their son
william 1731 {M} sarah price 1732
and then the John Smith1761 {on your link} who married Ann Ilston1762-1797
did you know he was married twice 2nd wife elizabeth willband 1778 they had 1 boy and 1 girl

Well dear must get ready for work {just 2 hrs for a charity}
All this info will keep you going  :D


Ann



Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Friday 18 February 11 08:44 GMT (UK)
 someone called Toni said my info might link to mary

Mary who ???

Ann
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: toni* on Friday 18 February 11 10:14 GMT (UK)
someone called Toni said my info might link to mary

Mary who ???

Ann
Mary Barfoot
see here

Mary Barfoot b. circa 1784 Thurmaston
entry 1806.
St Michael’s & All Angel’s Parish Church. Thurmaston
Mary Barfoot christened 18 Oct 1784 Chapelry of Thurmaston d/o Thos & Eliz

and

Thomas Bentley. ~ Mary Barfoot.

Married in this Church This Seventeenth  Day of February.
By Banns.

1851 HO107;  2088;  528;  8;
1861 RG9;  2287;  59;  20

i descend from this couple :)



Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Friday 18 February 11 19:54 GMT (UK)
OK Lets give you somemore info

John Smith 1761-1846 thurmaston he married Mary Harris 1761-1841 {daughter of john Harris and Mary hall} on 27 Feb 1781 belgrave he was a FWK they had 4 sons as follows

1/ john smith 1780-1854 married 9 DEC 1811to Anne Derry 1779-1852 they had 1 son 1 daughter
The 2 Derry sisters where the daughters of valentine Derry & Jane pole

2/William miles smith 1782-? married 24 Oct 1808 to Sarah Derry 1784-1849 she already had a daughter called rebecca {Derry} when she married William, William was a gardener they had 8 sons and 1 daughter one of their sons Joseph w m smith 1824-1904 went to Australia and stated a smith clan over there {have found some cousins}he married Caroline goodacre 1826-1904 she came from Suffolk but married in barrow upon soar.

3/Mary smith 1786-1867 married 24 DEC 1812 to Thomas breedon 1793-1875 that's all I have on them

4/Elizabeth smith 1789- nothing more on her

5/Thomas smith 1792-1841 married 17 may 1814 to Elizabeth pole 1792 belgrave they had 4 daughters

6/Mahala smith 1797-1824 all I have on her she died at 27 but could have married ???

last child of john & Mary
7/Joseph smith 1804 belgrave nothing else on him

We are not sure where the name MILES comes from but we had a thought that maybe  this might have come from his grandmother Elizabeth? that we think??? might have been Fukes we only got this name from IGI. Wonder if there was an Elizabeth miles ????? I say this as William only goses by the name William in his fathers will and I can't even remember where we found it but his children and grandchildren use it.

Well that's it for a mo as fingers getting stiff with typing LOL but if anyone can help that's would be great

All my Smiths for 4 generations came from thumaston and belgrave it was only my grandfather who moved down to Bath somerset to set up as a dentist he broke the chain

Ann ::)
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: RRYFS on Friday 18 February 11 21:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Ann

Jane Pole who married Valentine Derry is definitely in my tree, and Elizabeth Pole who married Thomas Smith is likely to be. We have two Elizabeth Poles - one we have b.1791, and the other b.1793. Do you know her parents names? As you can see from my thread on John Pole, it all becomes very complicated, and in a read through Phillimores for all these parishes, I can fall over names from my tree (or names that I know from friends of my mother) every two or three entries.
I recently found Valentine & Jane's daughter, Sarah in an Australian tree at www.pattersonsdomain.com but the administrator felt that Jane's antecedents were too distant to include in his tree! Incidentally, Jane was the daughter of Charles Pole b.1713 and Sarah Brewood b.1712.
I have lots of other Pole information, even though we sometimes have doubts raised about some of the links.

Richard
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Friday 18 February 11 22:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard, OK lets start on
Thomas Smith 1792 {my 3x great grand uncle} who married 1814 to Elizabeth Pole abt 1792 her parents are
Charles Pole 1762-1811 married 1783 in belgrave to Elizabeth Oswin 1763 and had 6 sons and 3 daughters from 1783 to 1798
Charles1762 parents Charles Pole 1739-1813 married 1758 to Ann Nickerson 1738-1804 they had 4 sons and 2 daughters
Charles 1739{belgrave}his parents Charles pole 1713 married 1733 to Sarah Brewood 1712

Charles 1713 {my 5x great grandfather} his parents where
JOHN POLE 1623-1689 MARRIED TWICE 1/ Sarah worrall 1654in 1679 had 3 daughters and 1 son
wife 2/ rebecca Scarborough 1678 married 1702 and had 5 more sons

john pole 1656 {birstall}his parents
john pole 1623-died 1689 in roxbury s/fork he married Mary 1641 no date on marrage had 3 sons and 1 daughter

john pole 1623 his parents
William pole 1576 {birstall}married 1599 to Elizabeth Pick 1580 {my 8th greatgrandparents} they had 4 sons and 9 daughters {& no TV LOL} ;D

well that's all, but remembers if any can fill in the holes this will help

think that will keep you going, will look into the Australian ones

Bye for now
Ann :)

Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Friday 18 February 11 22:06 GMT (UK)
What was the name of the lady/man who said it was to distant what was her tree or any info then I can check as have lots of smith names/familys on my tree

Ann
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: RRYFS on Friday 18 February 11 23:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Ann

Yes - I've got all those - I had Elizabeth down as 1791! I think William and Elizabeth are my 9th Great Grand Parents, if I'm counting correctly.
The guy in Australia is called Mel - I sent him a message using the facility on the site, and he e-mailed me back.

Richard
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Friday 18 February 11 23:48 GMT (UK)
i have well over 20 blakesly in my tree, where is your link with them

anyway bed time now so will say night night
Ann  :D
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: RRYFS on Saturday 19 February 11 12:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Ann

I am a Pole through my mother's mother, and a Blakesley through my father's mother! My Grandma was Ada Elizabeth Blakesley b.1878 - her father was Joseph b.1852. I have little additional detail about them, and haven't found Joseph's marriage to ?Emma.

Richard
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Sunday 30 October 11 18:57 GMT (UK)
Hi all out there in family history land  :-\ Well have been busy with my tree but still stuck with no info on Henry Smith birth 1730, christened 1734? Thurmaston Leicestershire also we think his wifes name is Elizabeth Fukes? or another spelling better then IGI version fucks we think ??? the dates could be 1734-1798 . Henry/Henery father could have been Thomas smith & Ann/Anne ??
Henry & Elizabeth had 8 sons and 3 daughters

Can anyone still try and help me

Bye for now
Ann {in Somerset}
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: alswilson on Monday 31 October 11 09:04 GMT (UK)
do you have  any more information on John SMITH  born 1861 who marries Ann ILSTON?  i have  those  names in my tree   mine  marries in Barkby leicestershire in 1785. son william born 1789 .....
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Monday 31 October 11 19:43 GMT (UK)
Hi , The 2 john smiths
1/ John Smith 1761-1824
2/ John Smith 1761-1849

John smith 1/ had 2 wives  first was Ann Iiston they had 2 sons and 5 daughters his 2nd wife was Elizabeth Willband they had 1 son & 1 daughter.
Johns Father/mother where Thomas smith 1707-1780 and wife was Thomasin Swan 1711-1749

John Smith 2/ had 1 wife mary harris they had 4 sons and 3 daughters
Johns father & Mother where Henry Smith & Elizabeth

So if you are from John and Ann you are not in the link leading up to Henry & Elizabeth

dose this help
Ann {in Somerset}nee Smith
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: alswilson on Tuesday 01 November 11 14:15 GMT (UK)
ann can you give  me the names  of the  first  john and anns  children please it  would be a big  help in  desiding  if they are  my lot
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Tuesday 01 November 11 18:23 GMT (UK)
john smith 1761/ann ilison

mary 1785, thomas 1786, sarah 1788,william 1790, mary 1792, freda 1794, ann 1795

John smith 1761/mary harris

john 1780, william 1782, mary 1786, elizabeth1789,thomas 1792, mahala 1797, joseph 1804

Hope this helps
Ann
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: alswilson on Wednesday 02 November 11 07:30 GMT (UK)
right  this  is looking  good i have William SMITH(my GGG Grandfather)  according to 1861 born barkby leicestershire  all other  census  he  gives queinborough  but i have found a baptsum  1789 on the igi for  for  william  with father  john and  mother  ann illston.
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Wednesday 02 November 11 08:05 GMT (UK)
 Oh lost last bit I typed it went off in cyber space, as I had said be very carfull with "Smith" and lots of them have the same christian name as well, I thought at one time the john smith 1761 {your line} and john 1761 {my Line} where 1 and the same and so tryed back on the wrong ancestry.

John Smith/ Ann ilston  their son william 1790-1869 married ann steans1790 they had 7 sons and 2 daughters . Two williams , first one 1810 died and the 5th son was names william 1820-1891 {Thurmaston Leicestershire}no more on him.

William and ann. son Thomas sept 1822 married Ann Redkin 1826-1887 they had 7 sons and 7 daughters their 3rd son was a william 1847 married Elizabeth/Eliza Headley 1853 they had 7 sons & 3 daughters, 2nd son was also William 1877 born belgrave leicestershire, no more on this william

This will give you something to go on

Ann
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: alswilson on Wednesday 02 November 11 08:15 GMT (UK)
oh   was  so  hopefull  now  not...my William  first  married  mary NORMAN in  1812 in queniborough  mary  died 1821  william then marries Ann Pepper (William’s second Marriage.   William Smith. He of Queniborough. Widower. Ann ROLLINGS. She of Frisby. Widow. .)
william  and mary had  3 children
williams  second marrage gave 8 children  all born Queniborough
i know  details  down   from william and  anns  son Christopher  as  we have the  family bible........given to christopher  on his  marriage
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Wednesday 02 November 11 09:02 GMT (UK)
Oh dear I'm sorry sorry I can't help, :( but thing is with the name smith you have to be so careful best not to put anything on your tree without proof. :-\

best of luck in your search, have you tried Genes Reunited

Ann
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: Bunnygirl on Wednesday 02 November 11 19:54 GMT (UK)
Hi
Thurmaston South PR
All children of Thomas & Ann Smith
Mary Smith c 16 July 1714
              burial 14 June 1715
Elizabeth Smith burial 7 Oct 1717
John Smith c 2 March 1718
Ann Smith c 9 Feb 1719
Sarah Smith c 11 June 1721
Alice Smith c 5 Mat 1723
          burial 23 Sept 1724
Ann Smith c 16 April 1727
          burial 23 April 1727
Thomas Smith c 10 Feb 1729
Elizabeth Smith c 20 Sept 1730
William Smith c 3 July 1733
Henery Smith c 3 March 1734[
Winefred Smith (f) Burial 23 Nov 1736

No sign of a marriage for Henry Smith to Elizabeth Fukes maybe Elizabeth was not from Leicestershire ?
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: cardworkshop on Wednesday 02 November 11 21:32 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for the information, we have tried for 18months to try and sort this out and all we could find, my 4th great great grandfather was John Smith 1761-1846 who married Mary Harris , one of his sons william 1782 and his son Joesph William miles smith 1824-1904 went to Australia and had 10 children so there is a lot of smith familys over there {cousins x removed} who only link with William 1782 my link is with John Smiths other son John smith 1761.

Years ago we thought John Smith's {1761-1846} mother was william smith 1788 and sarah price 1732 and back 2 more genarations  then a David Smith in Hampshire informed me they where his line and said there where 2 john smiths in that year born
his was John Smith 1761-1826 but the 2 familys do join later when cousins married.
He told me to look for Johns Father Henery about 1730  so we looked and found Henery married an Elizabeth ?? we only got the name Fukes?? from IGI but no proof so could be any Elizabeth.
I have been doing my tree for 4 years now and boy it's not as easy as we think but thats why I always try and get proof.
I do belong to the thurmsaston family history but have never had the check to ask for their help.
There is a lot of my desendence in belgrave cematrey.
I have in my tree, Smith, harris, pole,breedon, Hall,bentley,KInton, mowbray, Derry, Vann etc all from up there {all on my fathers side
Oh I'm sorry I'm rambling on but it's great when someone can help as I always help out when people ask my advice {if I can}
Once more many many thanks
Ann nee Smith
{in Somerset}my grandfather broke the chain when he came to somerset as a dentist from Belgrave
Title: Re: Henry Smith Marriage query
Post by: SHJ on Sunday 08 April 12 14:48 BST (UK)
I've got a John Thomas smith born 1879 in Leicester too but have gone done that root yet lol