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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: andreajs on Tuesday 15 July 08 21:23 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am desperate to trace where my 3x gt grandparents are buried but have been completely unsuccessful and am looking for some inspiration.
I cannot even find a death for my 3xgt grandfather but as he appears in the 1861 census and his wife appears in the 1871 census as a widow i presume he died between these dates and must have been mistranscribed or not registered at all.
My 3 xgt grandmother dies 5th Jan 1881 at Bradshaw St, Hulme but am totally unable to find her burial place.
I have tried
Southern Cemetery
Ardwick "
Philips Park "
Manchester General "
St Georges, Hulme
All Saints, Chorlton on Medlock
St Saviors "
St Johns, Deansgate
St Matthew, Campfield
St James, Rusholme
St James, Gorton
St Phillips, Salford
If anyone can possibly suggest anything i may have missed, i would be grateful for any ideas!
Thank You
Andrea
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Hi Andrea,
have you tried Moston, St Josephs? Especially if they were Catholic. I have relatives there from far flung corners of Gtr Mcer. May be worth a try.
Heather
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Hi Heather
Thanks for the suggestion, will look it up although i am sure the family weren't Catholic ( as all of them marry in C of E churches)
Can't afford to rule anything out at this stage though!
Thanks for your help
Andrea
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Hi there
I've had a look on the 1848 map of Hulme, and it shows Christ Church, Queen St, with a burial ground. This is only a few streets away from Bradshaw St.
Genuki pages for Hulme says that Christ Church was formed before 1910 and closed 1890. It was Bible Christian (branch of Methodism) at the time of closure.
Worth a look maybe?
:) Barbara
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Thank you Barbara
This will definately go on my list for looking at!
I only wished i knew which area of Manchester she originated in case she's buried with parents, unfortunately she only ever puts Manchester ( can't find a baptism either!) and her husband puts Ireland, not very useful!
Thank you for you help
Andrea
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Hi Andrea
Any chance of some names and dates (births/deaths) so we can help with your search?
Regards
Ken
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andrea.
what about rusholme rd cemetery,it was only a few minutes from hulme,its now a grassed area,i think there are records of burials in manchester central library.
mack
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Hi Mack
Sorry, i checked Rusholme Rd yesterday but no success, i just realized it wasn't on the list i posted.
ken
Their names were Francis and Martha McCall ( maiden name Crighton) both born c1813/15
In 1851, family are on unfilmed census at 78 Phillips st, Hulme
In 1861 family at 5 Jones st, Hulme
in 1871 Martha is at Newcastle St, Hulme ( although mistranscibed as Matha McCall
They marry in 1834 at the cathedral.
Any help appreciated!
Thank you
Andrea
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Hi Ken
Sorry, Martha dies 5th Jan 1881, 76 Bradshaw St, Hulme
Andrea
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Hello Andrea
Not sure if I can help you as I do not have the expertise that some rootschatters have but if I could put my "twopennyworth" in please .
Do you think that Francis had another christian name ?
I notice that on the Genuki free BMD there is a George Francis McCall registered in Salford September quarter 1861 , therefore after the census night .
It may be worth it if you apply for certificate stating all the information you know eg age , address , possible informant . I have always found that they will only send the certificate if there is a match , if not they should return your fee . Nothing to lose .
Have you seen the death certificate for Martha because that should have on it husbands name and occupation , may give more clues ?
Finally , but lets hope not . I once read that it has been known for a wife to state she was a widow when her husband had left her , I suppose it would possibly be considered to be quite shameful .
Good luck with your research.
I look forward to seeing how this problem is tackled by others.
Eric
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Hi Eric
Thank you so much for replying!
I have already thought about the George Francis McCall shown, but have eliminated him as he was born in 1860 and appears on the census before he dies later that year.
I have ordered all the certificates i can get my hands on to see if there was a possibility he was known as another name, but all say Francis.
I have already checked out the Francis Muckle who dies between 61 and 71 but not him either!
I have considered the fact he may have left his wife. In the 1861 census there are two Francis McCalls, mine, and another one who is five years younger and boarding at a house in Ancoats, he is down as being unmarried and has the same occupation as mine, i can't find this one before or after 1861, so am unable to rule this out!
Marthas death cert states widow of Francis McCall, blacksmith and the informant is her daughter..
I am completely at a loss and possibly going insane lol
Thank you for your help!
Andrea
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Hi Andrea
I notice that your Martha was a Crighton - I am just starting to research my husbands family who is also a Crichton/Crighton from Manchester. Can I ask if you have much information on this side of your family tree? His grandparents were living in Chorlton on Medlock.
Regards
Denise
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Hi Denise
There seems to be several families of Crightons/Crichtons in Manchester in the 1800s, a lot of them were mechanics. Marthas parents were an Alexander and Martha and she had several brothers and sisters. I don't know if you know there was a company in Manchester called W.J Crighton and sons that supplied steam pump engines for Boulton and Watt although there doesn't seem to be much information about them!
I do have bits and pieces on some families of Crightons if you would like to tell me who your husbands family were?
Regards Andrea
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Martha buried in Southern cemetery
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Hi Migky
Thank you sooo much! can i ask you how you found this as i searched Southern Cemetery records first and couldn't find her?
Also does anyone know why someone would be buried in unconsecrated ground as i can't seem to find why?
Thanks Andrea
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Hi Andrea
I haven't got much yet but anyway, Thomas Henry Crichton married Jane Elizabeth Holt 1898 their son George Crichton was my father in law. George b 29/09/1913.(have some of his siblings) Thomas was a House Painter and they lived in Cambridge Street, Chorlton on Medlock. I think he was the son of Thomas & Ellen Crichton but I am awaiting receipt of marriage certificate to confirm this. I have entries for them in Census for 1891 and 1901.
Denise
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Hi
It used to be that Consecrated ground was for Church of England members, so that Unconsecrated ground was for Roman catholics, Methodists and any other non-Anglicans, but I think it gradually relaxed - especially as there were many large family plots in Manchester.
By the way, quite a few of my RC's were married in the Established Church, mid 19C - presumably the usual reasons to do with the churches over history.
Good luck.
Emms
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Hi Emms
Thank you for that, it is possible my lot weren't C of E especially as Marthas father was Scottish and her husband Irish, although all the descendants were married in C of E churches.
I've also never found baptisms for her or her brothers and sisters so may be worth trying other religions!
Thanks again
Andrea
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Hi Andrea
I f she had a Scottish parent it may well be worth trying some of the Non-Conformists.
Presbyterian?
I*'m afraid I've not been very successful finding Lancashire NonConformist records. We seem to have quite a lot up here.
I lkeep hoping I'll have success with the new index online.
I think it's under the National Archives.
I'll have another look and if noone else has first, I'll put the link up.
Good luck!
Emms
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Hi
Sorry
Not much use at the moment. This is the link but only up to 1840 at the moment. I don't know if there's more to come. There are some in various Lancashire archives.
http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/
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PS I've tried and now instead of none, I've got about ninety of the right name and loads of them fit, because you've got to pay, even to use the advanced search.
I guess at least it tells me there registers in the National Archives with such entries!
Probably okay if you've got an unusual name.
Best wishes
Emms
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Hi Emms
Thank you so much for the link, will have a good trawl through and see what i can find!
Thanks again
Andrea
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Hi Denise
Will go through my records and see if i can find anything!
Will let you know
Regards Andrea