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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: danjac2 on Tuesday 15 July 08 19:02 BST (UK)
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hello
i'm looking for info on john lambert purslove.
i don't know where in hampshire he came from , maybe gosport area.
i think he married jane ? about 1799.
they had 4 children - mary 1799 gosport; john lambert 1801 gosport; edward 1805 surrey; hannah london.
any and all info would be very gratefully received.
thank you in advance
linda
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Linda - hello
No doubt you will have seen on the IGI a marriage in Titchfield for John Peacock Purslove and Jane Biggs in Titchfield in 1798?
That marriage also appears on the Bishops Transcripts for Titchfield - no month given.
Might he have been John Peacock Purslove ?
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he was john lambert - the name follwed for several generations after him! his daughter married a papps and until recently every generation had at least one john lambert !
it could still be him - you never know as peacock also appears a couple of times in the family!
thank you
linda
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Linda - another Rootschatter found a death reg. for a John Lambert Purslove in Newington Surrey in 1844. No age given, so don't know whether it's snr. or jnr.
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thanks again
linda
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Hi Linda
any idea when John Lambert Purslove was born, any other info on him could make it easier for us to try and find out more info for you
regards
ricky
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Can't find John Lambert Purslove, but confirm the marriage of
John Peacock Purslove to Jane Riggs 12 Jan 1798 in Titchfield.
A John Purslove married widow Mary Duckett 10 Jun 1775 in Portsmouth (St Thomas)
Found these baptisms:
Mary Purslove bpt 14 Jun 1799 Gosport, parents John & Jane
John Lambert Purslove privately bpt 18 Mar 1801 Alverstoke, parents John & Jane
Nell
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thank you all for the info.
i think the son of john lambert purslove (jlp) i am looking for was born around 1801.
if jlp did marry twice - once in 1775 to mary and again to jane in 1798 then i guess he could have been born around 1755-1760ish! unless john and mary were the parents of jlp who married jane therefore could have been born around 1775. oh what fun!
thanks again
linda
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Linda - I thought the John Lambert you were looking for the was father of John Lambert Purslove b. 1801 :D
I don't know how familiar you are with the area, bur Gosport and Titchfield are only about 5 miles apart; I have many of my Titchfield ancestors who were married in Alverstoke, and vice versa.
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it is -- it is the way i worded it!! sorry!! bad habit of mine - i know what i mean but no-one else does!
i am looking for the father (and mother if possible) of jlp born 1801.
sorry about the confusion and thanks again for your help
linda
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As I think I have indicated, the father of John Lambert Purslove baptised in 1801 was John Purslove. The mother was Jane. There is no indication in the record of baptism that he was anything other than John Purslove. That does not mean that he wasn't named John Lambert Purslove. However the only marriage record to be found is for John Peacock Purslove. The name is not that common - I think you may have to re-examine the evidence and adopt a flexible approach. :)
Nell
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Prerogative Court of Canterbury wills. Date the will was proved not necessarily close to the date of death
Will of John Peacock Purslove of Newington Butts Southwark , Surrey 15 June 1835 PROB 11/1848
Will of John Lambert Purslove, Cordwainer of No 22 Prospect Row Walworth , Surrey 15 March 1845 PROB 11/2014
Have you copies of these wills?
As well as John Lambert's death registration there is also one for Jane in Newington.
Deaths Dec 1844
PURSLOVE John Lambert Newington 4 253
Deaths Sep 1844
PURSLOVE Jane Newington 4 216
http://www.pursglove.talktalk.net/Pursglove%20veriations/PursLOVEs.htm
Regards
Valda
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1851 census HO107 1568 folio 102
22 Prospect Row Newington
John L Purslove 22 Head Married Boot and shoe maker Walworth Surrey
Eleanor Purslove 20 Wife Married Clandon Surrey
Clarinda Purslove 3 months Daughter Walworth Surrey
Clarinda Purslove 49 Mother Widow Ockham Surrey
1841 census HO107 1063/7 folio 37
Prospect Row Newington
John Peacock 40 Cordwainer not born Surrey
John Peacock 15 not born Surrey
Clarender Peacock 40 not born Surrey
Jane Peacock 65 not born Surrey
Caroline Papps 9 not born Surrey
Adult ages on the 1841 census, those over 15, usually rounded down to the nearest 5.
The error of Peacock for Purslove is not a mistake in the index, it appears on the census page itself.
Regards
Valda
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i don't know!
peacock was used as a middle name furher down the line (frederick peacock papps born 1871 kings cross to 'my' jlp) but lambert too was used in almost every generation i have come across so far!
thank you for the link to the purslove site. hannah daughter of john and jane was my ancestor who married harry/henry papps and had a son john lambert papps my 2xgreat grandfather. i cannot find a birth certificate for him anywhere and some of his siblings don't appear to have been registered either.
there is a registration for a john papps about that time but after checking it out it turned out to be another family .
thanks again for looking for me
linda
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Civil registration began on 1st July 1837 so the older Papps children on the 1841 census would have been born before registration. The family is in Hammersmith on the 1841 census which at the time would have registered in Kensington registration district.
On the 1841 census George Papps was aged 9 months
Births Sep 1840
Papps George Kensington 3 241
He doesn't appear on the 1851 census so if he died either of these death registrations is a possibility.
Deaths Mar 1841
PAPPS George Kensington 3 190
Deaths Jun 1841
Papps George Kensington 3 181
John does not appear on the census with the family in 1841 but on the 1851 census his age is given as 12 (all children's births given as London on this census) which would fit this birth registration.
Births Sep 1839
Papps Male Kensington 3 216
There is no corresponding death registration for a male in Kensington. Many registrations for babies just registered as male or female were for children who had died fairly shortly after their birth but some were for babies who did not. I have the birth registration for a 'male' in 1907 who went onto to be hale and hearty in his 80s. His parents later after the birth registration decided on the name Charles.
St Paul Hammersmith registers, or St Peters are not on the IGI and so it isn't possible to cross check the date of baptism for John Lambert Papps with this 'male' birth registration quarter.
The first child on the 1841 census Hannah aged 11 was not born Middlesex, but all others starting with Caroline aged 8 are, so the move from Newington seems to have occurred after the time of the birth of Clarenda Papps who died as a baby in 1832 and was the last child baptised in the Newington registers which are covered by the IGI.
Though John Lambert Papps moves his age about on later censuses his place of birth 1871 - Knightsbridge, 1881 Brompton is consistent with a birth registration in Kensington registration district, however purchasing any birth certificate without complete certainty is always a risk and any later death of this 'male' birth registration could have for instance been in a name i.e. the child's birth registered as male but an early death by then registered with the child in its given name or the child went onto a longer life in its given name which may or may not have been John Lambert Papps.
Regards
Valda
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i have had so much 'trounble' with this family!
it's one reason i thought i'd go back and see if i could find any links especially through the name but that has only made things worse!
never mind - i really do appreciate your help and advice.
thank you
linda
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1851 census HO107 1568 folio 102
22 Prospect Row Newington
John L Purslove 22 Head Married Boot and shoe maker Walworth Surrey
Eleanor Purslove 20 Wife Married Clandon Surrey
Clarinda Purslove 3 months Daughter Walworth Surrey, Married to Charles Bird, :D
one of there sons, my Grand Father, Herbert Edward H BIRD, his son Francis James c BIRD ( NZ) :D
Clarinda Purslove 49 Mother Widow Ockham Surrey
1841 census HO107 1063/7 folio 37
Prospect Row Newington
John Peacock 40 Cordwainer not born Surrey
John Peacock 15 not born Surrey
Clarender Peacock 40 not born Surrey
Jane Peacock 65 not born Surrey
Caroline Papps 9 not born Surrey
Adult ages on the 1841 census, those over 15, usually rounded down to the nearest 5.
The error of Peacock for Purslove is not a mistake in the index, it appears on the census page itself.
Regards
Valda
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thank you for the info and your help. linda
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My great grandfather was called Frederick Peacock Papps - born 1870 in London. His father was John Lambert Papps born 1833 and he owned a whip and saddle shop in Knightsbridge. I wonder if they are related to the family you are querying.
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hello!
so sorry for the late reply but ive only just seen your message!
yes!!!! he did have a son called frederick and he was a whip maker!
i would love to share information with you
again i really am sorry for not repling
i look forward to hearing from you
linda
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Fabulous to hear from you and it will be great if we can help each other with our research.
Can you email me (*) and I can tell you what information I have.
I do have a lot of personal details about Frederick Peacock Papps and John Lambert Papps which my grandmother either told me or wrote in her family history book. Thanks.
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First apologies to the moderator for mentioning my email.
Linda - the John Lambert Papps in my family - born in 1833 - was also my gt.gt.grandfather so it’s possible we are cousins somewhere along the way. I have details of all his children, which includes Frederick Peacock Papps who was my mother’s father’s father.As far as I can ascertain Frederick was the only Peacock and another son John was the only Lambert. There were six children altogether that I am aware of. Do you know your great grandparent’s name?
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Hello Sarah
Sorry I posted my email too!
I have quite a bit of info. Do you mind if I wait till the weekend so I can write it all out properly for you ?
I am excited to learn what you have and compare our research
Have you had a DNA test done at all?
I have one on ancestry and 23 and me
Take care
Linda
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I am trying to update my info - I was concentrating on my paternal side first so haven’t done a great deal on my maternal side. I am guessing that your great grandparent was a sibling of mine - Frederick Peacock Papps. That is either, Maud, John Lambert, Izzy or Ella??
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Maud is my great grandmother.
I have had trouble finding John lambert papps, her father’s, birth.
It seems to be a different year and place every census!
I’m taking his birth year from his marriage certificate (which of the top of my head I can’t remember, I’ll look when I get home)
Do you live in the UK? I was born there but live in Canada now.
Take care
Linda
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Hiya Linda, Yes, I live in the U.K. - in Surrey. I have Maud Ashbourne Papps’ father as being born in 1833 and passing away in 1892. His wife was Susan Lawrence - 1845-1925, from Keinton in Somerset. What I have found confusing in the Roots Chat discussion is how the families seem to keep changing their names from Purslove to Peacock! ( I think the Peacock and Lambert names are on the Purslove side and not the Papps side and when Hannah Purslove married Harry Papps they passed on both names as some of their childrens’ middle names. Confusing! I also can’t understand why Caroline Papps who was Harry and Hannah’s daughter was on the 1841 (aged 9 years) census of John Peacock. This John Peacock was the son of John Peacock Purslove and christened John Lambert Purslove! Although I think this John Peacock was her uncle (Hannah’s brother) No wonder you’ve been confused. At the week-end let me know briefly what info you have so I don’t repeat anything. Take care.
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hello sarah
jlp did die in 1892 but i have his birth as 1842 as he married in 1863 and his age said 21 on the marr cert but his death cert says - i think as its hard to see clearly - his age is either 54 or 64 making his birth 1838 or 1848!!!!!
i too have 6 children - john lambert 1867; frederick peacock 1871; jessie ella 1878; maud ashbourne 1881; isobel 1884 and hannah louise 1874
i then have frederick peacock married elizabeth ann williams in 1890
their children victor frederick john lambert 1892; laura anne 1907; maurice 1896; cecil 1898 and robert kimberley 1900
i then have victor marrying elsie miller in 1919 with their children annie 1920 and victor 1922
i hope this is right!!??
where abouts in surrey do you live? my dad was born in englefield green near egham
take care linda
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