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Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt and I think you're really going to like this one........It's going back a fair while and it's very romantic in it's own way. Anyway, set too and have fun.
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
Barbara
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Picture the scene....
Evening falls on the sleepy village of North Marston, it is 1696 0R 1698 they can't seem to make up their mind.
The locals are trudging home from the fields.
A cart comes trundling towards them.
Driving it is the Rev Richard Purchas, the new cleric of St Mary's. Beside him sits his father, also Richard Purchas.
In the back, along with the furniture they have the Rev. Ric's mother, Ruth and Elizabeth Purchas, who will go on to marry one of the John Denchfields of North Marston and become a part of my Family Tree.
So
Once they are in North Marston I've got um!
Ric's Dad died 1715
Ric's Mum died 1720
Elizabeth Purchas married John Denchfield 1713 had copious amounts of children and died 1755
Ric himself died 1742
But....where did they come from?
I know it's going a long way back, but I thought as he was a Rev Gent I might be able to track him down...no luck...I have always thought that Elizabeth was his daughter, and could never find a marriage for him.
About a month back I discovered in some papers sent me by the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies, that Elizabeth could well be his sister, not his daughter. Good reason for not finding a marriage I suppose...
Time to squawk for help, I think....
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Hi Paula,
Your man is possibly Richard Purchace ,ordained 1695, son of R. of Winslow, Bucks
More details on www.theclergydatabase.org.uk
Nanny Jan
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That was quick Nanny Jan......... ;D ;D
Barbara
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(modified)
1698 ties in with him gaining his MA at Oxford
Richard Purchase s/o R of Winslow Bucks p.p. Brasenose Coll. matric. entry 13th Dec 1689 aged 14 BA 1693 MA 1698
so they may have come from Winslow?
:)
DebbieG
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:D
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I'm out shopping and things have kicked off already....
This is looking good...
Thank you for the start, you clever people.
The Purchas seem to be a funny lot, this is why I have had such trouble with them..
There seem to be half a dozen at the most in any number of villages, they come, they go....
...point of interest...found this on the Pembroke pages of GENUKI...
Parch(edig)=Rev(erend)
Parchus=Respected/Respectful, in the Welsh language.
It looks as though the Rev Ric was living up to his name.
Going to have some dinner now, back with you later....
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hi all
Looking on NA for the Rev. Ric ...nothing yet but did find this :
Probate of the will, 4 January 1777, of John Denchfield the elder of North Marst...[Buckinghamshire Studies] Date: 1780.
Probate of the will, 9 October 1799, of John Denchfield of North Marston, dairym...Endorsed: purchase of the late Dells estate of North Marston to the late Mr. Thomas Dover. [Buckinghamshire Studies] Date: 1800.
deb
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;D
I know this doesn't help much but this guy has to be part of the family ... ;D
Lease for a year [release missing] D-X913/26(1) Thomas Welch of Hogshaw, yeoman (2) Purchas Denchfield (1) to (2) of property as above. [Buckinghamshire Studies] Date: 1750.
Articles of agreement D-X913/251) Rev. Purchas Denchfield of N.Marston (2) Thomas Welch of Hogshaw, dairyman (2) to (1) of various pieces of land in the open fields of N. Marston (described in detail) Consideration: £101.1s Note on dorse: The deeds and fine of ye lands I lately bot Date: 1750.
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Two more curates at North Marston:
1742 Purchas Denchfield
1775 Richard Denchfield AB
Purchas Denchfield bpt. 27 Jun 1715, North Marston parents John Denchfield & Elizabeth
Richard Denchfield bpt. 1 Sept, 1744, North Marston, parents Purchas Denchfield & Rebecca
Both extracted records from IGI.
Nanny Jan
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Richard Denchfield bpt. 1 Sept, 1744, North Marston, parents Purchas Denchfield & Rebecca
Nanny Jan
NA: Online Document PROB 11/1128 Will of Rebecca Denchfield Widow North Marston , Buckinghamshire . Will of Rebecca Denchfield Widow North Marston , Buckinghamshire Date: 1785.
deb
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The two Denchfields also went to Oxford uni
Purchase s/o John matric Harts Hall in 1732 aged 16
Richard s/o Purchase matric Magdalen Hall 1763 aged 18
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Hi
There is a whole lot on National archives going back to 1300's ,,,but I have no idea if they are related to Paula's Purchases...they all seem to have been mostly clergymen ...a lot in the London area as well.
Do we have a father for Richard snr?
deb :)
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where are you all looking for the info that you have found? I would like to help, but haven't a clue where to start when its this far back ??? ???
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Hi Deb :)
No we don't have a father for Richard senior or I think a maiden name for his wife, I have found a couple of apprenticeship records which make me think Richard snr may have been a woolman based in London for at least part of his life though
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inscription de livre ;)
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found this;
Buckinghamshire: - Calendar to the Sessions Records, 1705-1712 :
The Court allowed a certificate, addressed to the Rt. Hon. Sir Nathan Wright, Knt., Lord Keeper of the Great Seal, asking him to recommend the granting of Letters Patent "to collect the Charitable benevolence of well disposed people" in aid of the following persons, who had suffered losses from "a sudden and lamentable fire" at North Marston on the 11 Aug includes a lot of people as well as these;
John Denchfeild,
Martha Denchfeild, widow,
Richard Denchfeild,
the Rev. Richard Purchase,
The petition was signed by sixteen of the above persons and by Richard Betham and Thomas Coventry. The total damage was assessed at £3,456. 8s. 2d. by John Fuller and Thomas Statham, carpenters, and James Grace and Thomas Rickard, masons.
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Hi Jen - sorry didn't mean to ignore you I had just thought of something else to check. :)
To answer your question (in part) it's whatever we can think of which might go back that far. Churchmen usually went to uni and in those days there was only Oxford or Cambridge, their Alumni lists are on Ancestry, they often give place of birth, fathers name and approx date of birth so very useful. There is also the A2A archives index search site - which can be very good once you get used to how the search works. also the National Archives site, Google books can be good too as can just Googleing a variety of the names wanted
Hope that helps
DebbieG
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Ric ordained 1695 looks very likely if my Ric arrives in 1696/8
I've had to do some rapid rethinks of late as I have always thought of Ric as an older man and Elizabeth as his daughter. Finding she was his sister rather upset things.
So if sister Elizabeth marries John Denchfield(one of them, it's a favourite name in NM) in 1713, the Ric who entered Brasenose 1689 age 14 seems the right age to be her big brother.
I have found the Purchases back in the 1300 as well, but never found my Ric.
Being in the clergy seems to be a favourite occupation with the family, though I have never been able to tie them together.
I must come from a sanctimonious lot, because it's the same with the Capenhursts, but you're not looking for them.
Anyhow, to me it looks like Ric's dad was Ric from Winslow...
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Paula
Do you have a Rev. John Purchas (1823-1872) Church of England clergyman and religious controversialist, in your family?
deb
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Hi Paula
These are the two London apprenticeship records I found which may well refer to Richard (snr), the dates would be about right
1686 Dimock John, son of ..., Winslow, Buckinghamshire, maltster, to Richard Purchase, 23 Aug 1686, Woolmen's Company
1681 Hackney John, son of John, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, woolwinder, to Richard Purchase, 25 Jun 1681, Woolmen's Company
DebbieG
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Hi
These are 2 portraits of John Purchas b c 1823;
http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?search=ss&sText=purchas&LinkID=mp83169
deb
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http://www.stlaurencewinslow.org.uk/history.htm
No Purchas's but gives 1660-1695 as disserters have problems.
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Hi again
This seems to be a variation on the spelling of Purchas and Denchfield:
http://www.theclergydatabase.org.uk/cce/apps/DisplayOrdination.jsp?CDBOrdRedID=22562
http://www.theclergydatabase.org.uk/cce/apps/DisplayAppointment.jsp?CDBAppRedID=35385
deb
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I haven't come across a John Purchas yet, Deb, but he sounds a likely candidate for a relation.
You're right Debbie, those dates would be about right...
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Gosh Debs,
You must be good! Your eyes must be so good to be this fast! You have my admiration! Brilliant
I will come back and try and keep up later!
Rabbit B :(
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:D Have you seen the other Purchas on GR.
Just in case.....
Elizabeth Purchas 1674 North Marston.
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A slightly earlier reference to Richard (snr) in Winslow, from Beds. Archives
Item Refs Item Description Date/s
HSA1679/W/24 Recognisance.George Norris, Winslow (Bucks), innholder. £60.
(At King's Lynn, Norfolk.) Pl. Ric. Purchase, same, woolstapler. £40. ---
To pros. Jn.Fairam, Jn.Perkins and Jn.Woore for picking his pocket. 1679
Qty/Format
DebbieG
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I say, that John Purchas looks like he had no trouble finding his dinner, doesn't he. What an interesting face!
Hi Rabbit<ale><gift>...ooops sorry, wrong board ;D
Well, I've seen some spellings of Purchas and Denchfield...but those are new to me...more to add to the list.
I think I must start a Favourites folder for churches...that's another one to be kept. It has quite a history, doesn't it.
Hello Lesanne... is that someone on Genes with an Elizabeth Purchas born in NM in 1674?
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Hellooo... Yes on Genes.
::) I wondered how long before the Norris's turned up in this neck of the woods. Teehee.
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Now what you up to with the Norris's...I'm missing something, I know I am :D
Yep, thought that was what you meant...and no, I haven't seen her...
THERE AIN'T ONE ! I think that is a bit of wishful thinking.
NM baptisms for 1674
Heakes, Fuller, Anderson, Moores, Linney(BTS Lenney), Foster, Cox, Benning, Cooper, Stanbridge, Steevens, Denchfield, Basset, Colton and Foster.
None of them Elizabeth either....
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John Purchas
Occupation clerk
Place Bierton
Date of probate 1596
DAWe: 19 41 DAWf: 13 156
from Bucks Wills
http://apps.buckscc.gov.uk/eforms/wills/detail.aspx?id=39162
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Ah, a will! and where there's a will there's a list of beneficiaries...Nice one Lesanne.
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Oxford Marriage Bonds
http://whipple.org/oxford/marriagebonds.html
1685 Richard PUTRESS Risborough ;D say it quick ::)
+ Elizabeth Warren Stokenchurch
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this hunt is moving very fast, and i am not coming up with anything that has not already been found or is of any use ::)
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but it does seem there was a Rev SAMUEL Purchas aroudn the same time :~
http://www.ianchadwick.com/hudson/hudson_01.htm
i.e. 1607
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Samuel Purchas is also mentioned here:~
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1B1-366446.html
and some 250 years later :~
PURCHAS.
Funeral Notice. Southern Cross, 20th September 1850.
On Wednesday the 18th of September, at the Parsonage, Onehunga, Mary Anne, youngest child of Rev A G Purchas, age 4 years and a half months.
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DENCHFIELD, RUTH - Born: 1718, Father: DENCHFIELD, JOHN, Mother: PURCHAS, ELIZABETH
DENCHFIELD, RUTH - Married: 1737, Spouse: WATKINS, JOHN
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more on Samuel Purchas
http://www.gosnold.info/Gentlemen%20of%20the%20Voyage.html
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03uk/
http://www.mun.ca/rels/ang/texts/ang1.html
www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1E1-Hakluyt.html
www.ianchadwick.com/hudson/hudson_00.htm
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another oxford bond
1795 Richard Denchfield of North Marston + Mary Roads of Upper Heyford
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It's the same with the Patchitt/Paget name, depends on your accent and what part of the country you are in...
Wonder if that is one of mine...
Look what I found in Bierton Marriages....
21 Mar 1569, John Purchas a servant & Annes Granthe.
then in 1589 Marget, 1596 Adrie and 1597 Annice
Margaret is the first Purchas baptism in the register at 1570, then a John in 1571,
Richard in 1572 and another John in 1574,
Adrie in 1576 ANOTHER John in 1577
Marie in 1580
Margerie in 1581
James in 1583
Nycholas in 1586
Wonder where Annice came from?
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Yes, I have Ruth, deb, she is one of the brood
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Herts Marriages
https://www.hertsdirect.org/ufs/ufsmain?esessionid=F1F1A9004F07833E9E3CECC24B67BF60_1
2/9/1729 Tring ? Elizabeth Denchfield + Matthew Pain of Marsh Gibbon
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I wonder if that is John the servant, who married Annes in 1569 who became a clerk and left a will in 1596, or is it the third John, baptised 1577, dying young.
I haven't caught up with Elizabeth and Mathew yet........
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmwahhhhhhh, :o
Just noticed the time....
Family need feeding or heaven knows what they wil get up to...
Back later
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Paula You have seen all the Denchfields ( and half of Bucks.) on here.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=hrohrer&recno=29992
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I sure have, jaywit, and welcome to the chase. I told her where she had it wrong as well...she never answered. Mark Warner is much better.
http://www.familyorigins.com/users/w/a/r/Mark-J-Warner/FAMO1-0001/index.html
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Paula the only thing I have against that site is that he has many living people's names on it. Something I am so much against. I wonder if he has permission from all of them to put their names online.
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http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hrohrer&id=I025474
This is the Elizabeth Purchas bit for the wrong birth date...... :-\
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That's a thought, jaywit, but he is very good.
Yes, that's one of the mistakes, Lesanne, I can't find anyone with the name of Purchas(any variation) in NM until the Rev Ric arrives with his family.
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That Bierton Family looks pretty good to me.
When are you gonna get that will.... ;D ;D
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Pretty soon, I think, Lesanne. It could be the key to a lot, just like the Capenhurst one.
Wills are very useful when you get back that far, aren't they... so many delicious names and relationships.
Going missing for half an hour, me Welsh soap is about to start...it's been delayed by the rugby...
Back soon.
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http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=62780&strquery=Bierton
Bit of history on the Village. Byrton another spelling.
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Samuel Purchas (1577?-1626); Purchas his pilgrimage, or relations of the world; (Vol 1 only, in 9 books); (London, 1617) Mi LP 14 1617
These documents are held at Nottingham University Library, Department of Manuscripts and Special Collections
;D ;D Next time your in Nottingham....
and this one for a Kew visit................
Just love the name Odo,
Exchequer: King's Remembrancer: Ancient Deeds, Series D E 210/9599
Odo Purchas, citizen and clothier of London to John atte Mulle, John Lessy, Vicar of Drayton, and William de Grendon, clerk. : Grant of the manor of Suthcote by Colnbrook in the parish of Harmondsworth, and of the lands, etc., they had from John de Padebury Date range: 1364 - 1365.
Source: The Catalogue of The National Archives
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I put North Marston into that site....and frightened myself...I shall go back to the 1000 entries later, when I feel brave enough :D
Well at least we have only found 2 names for Bierton...so far.
Granborough had about five... going from the Saxon Greneburga to Grandborough and lastly dropping the d to become Granborough.
Odo, they had a bloke called Odo in the Doomsday book down in Wiltshire. The name always makes me think of Deep Space Nine.
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Hi guys ...
Back from the store and MIL .... Paula , this is fabulous for you ...there is so much about Purchas people online ....but who are yours ? There are a lot of christenings in the Cambridge area but also in the Devon/Cornwall areas ....
deb :)
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I know it is not relevant but Odo was the half brother of William the Conqueror, who incidently was illegitimate. He was Bishop of Bayeaux in Normandy from 1049 to 1090 and was responsible for the South of England after 1066 and for the production of the Bayeux Tapestry.
David
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Thanks David, might not be anything to do with the case, but good to know about these people.
That is a very good question, deb.
Who are mine...
Well Elizabeth Purchas, who died in North Marston 15 Jan 1755 as Elizabeth Denchfield
Rev Ric Purchas her brother who died 1742
and their Dad and Mum, Richard and Ruth.
To be certain... no one else.
It's a dead end... brick wall...mystery.
We now have a Rev Ric ordained at the right time with a dad Richard from Winslow
That sounds like my man.
Apart from that we have a nice little family coming along in Bierton which could be tied in by a Will belonging to one John Purchas 1596.
I'll be getting the will asap, but without it, we have no proof they are mine as yet.
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Hi Folks,
I am even more impressed now that I have been away and come back to this!
I haven't been able to find anything constructive at all, so I sit here in admiration of you all.
Rabbit B :(
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That's all right Rabbit, you just sit and watch...I'm pretty much overwhelmed myself. It's going to take days to digest it all.
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okay I am not familiar with bucks/London etc etc ...but if the rev Ric was ordained/studied at Cambridge and there are masses of Purchas christenings in the Cambridge area ..maybe thats where they came from...
deb
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Good stuff Paula, you've not done bad for the first day........ ;D ;D ;D
Barbara
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Barbara ....hi ;D
okay .... you HAVE to do a hunt for Ernest the cheese and beetroot sandwich eater ......you never know what we'll dig up !!!!!
deb 8)
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He was at the other one, deb, Oxford, and his Dad Richard seems to have come from Winslow in Bucks.
Just had a thought
entry 13 Dec 1689, aged 14
That means he must have been born round about 1675
I can do my own version of the classic IGI entry...
Richard Purchas born abt 1675
Father Richard,
Mother Ruth
Not done bad at all Barbara....there I was thinking nothing would happen and look at all the names and links these wonderful people have turned up...
Magic
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Paula
Where was the christening for Ric b c 1675?
ps: noticed I had said ordained at Cambridge when should have said Oxford ...sorry :-[
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That's all right Rabbit, you just sit and watch...I'm pretty much overwhelmed myself. It's going to take days to digest it all.
Thanks Paula,
I will just carry on being the admiration then! Clever girl Debs! All that brain and a tiara!
Rabbit B ;D
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That's what I want to know, deb, but using the collective brain we have come to the conclusion that Winslow, Bucks might be a good bet.
I knew nothing about him before he rode into North Marston in 1696 or 98...
That's another thing, even Bucks Genealogy can't make up their minds, which year, but if he had his MA in 1698, it looks the more likely.
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Hi Rabbit ;D red wine helps with the search LOL
Paula ...was Rev. Ric's dad a clergyman or was he the woolman from London ...maybe the latter which would enable him to pay for son's education ...do we have siblings for rev Ric?
eekkk nead to reread about the woolman ...
deb on the red wine :P ;D
added ... this from DebbieG reply #13
Hi Deb
No we don't have a father for Richard senior or I think a maiden name for his wife, I have found a couple of apprenticeship records which make me think Richard snr may have been a woolman based in London for at least part of his life though
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Hi Rabbit ;D red wine helps with the search LOL
Paula ...was Rev. Ric's dad a clergyman or was he the woolman from London ...maybe the latter which would enable him to pay for son's education ...do we have siblings for rev Ric?
eekkk nead to reread about the woolman ...
deb on the red wine :P ;D
added ... this from DebbieG reply #13
Hi Deb
No we don't have a father for Richard senior or I think a maiden name for his wife, I have found a couple of apprenticeship records which make me think Richard snr may have been a woolman based in London for at least part of his life though
Shucks Deb,
I am only allowed apple juice! ::) But I will keep on looking, you never know I might find something!
Rabbit B ;D
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If you search the Cambridge University Alumni
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=3997
with the name Purchas you will find a number of them. Some of whom went on to Oxford and most of whom went into the church. Just placing the curser on view record reveals most of the detail
There are also four entries for Purchas on ancestry for Oxford University Alumni
David
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I see there is a Richard there, David., with a B A in 1597
I have a Richard born in Bierton 1572
Deb, I would say that Rev Ric's dad, Richard of Winslow was the Woolman. If he had money enough perhaps he might have had his business in London.
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Paula,
Have a look at this, it is the same site that has already been found but this is a different part of it.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03um/
Best I can do on apple juice!
Rabbit B ;D
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Apple juice turns up some interesting results, Rabbit...
It seems that in 1365 Odo/Eudo Purchas, was a draper...we seem to be into wool and cloth again....
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Oh dear Paula,
I thought that one was in the 1670's! I also thought that the entries were the page numbers! :-[
Time I went to bed!
Night night Folks Good Hunting
Rabbit B ;D
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Think I'm closing down too.
Thanks for your help everyone, you really are marvelous.
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just home from a neigbourhood dinner/drinks ...will be back in the morning ....great info guys .... how fab paula!!!!
deb :)
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Morning everyone.
Isn't it surprising what has been turned up, deb. I'm over the moon.
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And there's days to go yet Paula..... ;D ;D ;D
Barbara
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Paula,
Looking at the family in Bierton.
Do you have the marriages, as well as their baptism's that you have already posted.
Lesemm.. in a panic re: check in.
Look what I found in Bierton Marriages....
21 Mar 1569, John Purchas a servant & Annes Granthe.
then in 1589 Marget, 1596 Adrie and 1597 Annice
Margaret is the first Purchas baptism in the register at 1570, then a John in 1571,
Richard in 1572 and another John in 1574,
Adrie in 1576 ANOTHER John in 1577
Marie in 1580
Margerie in 1581
James in 1583
Nycholas in 1586
Wonder where Annice came from?
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I'm just wondering how much is left to find, Barbara. This is much more than I expected, even now...
Yep, the Marriages are there, Lesanne,
21 Mar 1569, John Purchas a servant & Annes Granthe.
5 Nov 1589 William Scoffe & Marget Purchas,
11 Nov 1596 Thomas Horoode & Adrie Purchas
13 Jun 1597 Steven Partridge & Annice Purchas
Those are the only marriages, the rest of the family seem to be elsewhere
As with everywhere else, this seems to be the little 'flowering of the Purchas Tree' in Bierton...then they disappear.
Perhaps in this case they disappear on to Winslow for a couple of generations.
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From IGI (world misc)
Nicholas Purchase + Catherine Hunt 26/2/1632 Sub entry flm 442757
Mary Purchas (will) 12/5/1629 Sub entry
d/o John and Margaret. John b1543 Gt Waltham Esx.
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Let's hope they don't go Berkshire way.... :-\ :(
Visitations link
http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/visitations/index.html
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Let's hope they stay in Bucks, then I have a chance of nailing them with Bucks Genealogy...
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Hi Lesanne,
That is a superb link, thanks for that! I have nicked it!
Rabbit B ;)
PS Fingers x'd they do Paula!
PPS what about the sailor you are looking for or isn't that allowed?
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Not looking for a sailor now, Rabbit.
He is on a very far back burner for when everything else is settled. After all, how do you trace a man when all you have is a photo, not even a name. I think about everything that could be done was done when I first joined Roots.
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Did you have a look at the Samuel Purchas stuff ?
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which County be Bierton?
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Ah HA! They can make up their minds...
Just doing a North Marston look up for someone and what do I find tucked away in the Baptisms....
1698 Sept 1698 Richard Purchas enter'd on this Cure.
So they came in 1698....
What do they mean confusing me by saying 96 or 98... rotten lot!
Not got round to Sam yet, toni...will do.
While you are helping me with the Purchases, I'm looking up a Rickard for someone else...
All bloomin go round here, isn't it :D
Bierton is just down the road from Winslow and North Marston in Bucks....
You've heard of the Bermuda Triangle...I've got the Bucks Blob...all my lot gravitate to it... ;)
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Hope i'm int he rightCounty here:~
Denchfield marriages in Bucks.
DENCHFEILD Joh. to NORMAN Agnes 13-Oct-1616 Wendover
DENCHFIELD Tho. to BENSON Dorithie 6-Feb-1632 Wendover
DENCHFEILD Nicholas to GARDNER Rama 25-Feb-1640 Wendover
DENCHFEILD Fabian to PARKER Ann 19-Oct-1671 Wendover
DENCHFIELD Johannes to EDWARDS Maria 14-Sep-1673 Hughenden
DENCHFEILD Mathew to LOWNDES Elizab.4-Oct-1673 Stone
DENCHFEILD Nich. a labourer of Wantage to DARVALL Priscilla a spinster of Wantage 22-Sep-1678 at Wendover
DENCHFIELD Matthew a lactarius of Wing to ROW Joanna by licence 24-Apr-1707 Soulbury
DENCHFIELD Edw. to SOUTH Ann of Amersham 24-Nov-1709 Hughenden
DENCHFIELD Fabian of Great marlow, a Sojourner to FREE Anne 11-Feb-1710 Hughenden
DENCHFIELD John a widower of Lt Hambden to CRUTCH Martha by licence 15-Oct-1715 Hughenden
DENCHFIELD Richard of North marston to COX Alice 9-Oct-1721 Wing
DENCHFIELD Matthew to TOSKEL Sarah by licence 10-Apr-1738 Soulbury
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they say 96 or 98 as the calendar hadn't vhanged over then so they had the ten months of equal days rather than the 12 months like we do now.
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Denchfield marriages in Bucks continued ;)
PIERSON Hen. & DENCHFEILD Agnes 3-Nov-1623 Wendover
ATKINS Robt. of west wycombe & DENCHFIELD Mary 18-May-1704 Hughenden
WHITE John of Bledlow to DENCHFIELD Eliz.2-Dec-1708 Hughenden
TUCKER Danl. & DENCHFIELD Martha 10-Feb-1740 Hughenden
BUSBY Hugh of Lt Missenden & DENCHFIELD Ann of Lt Missenden 23-Jan-1742 Hedgerley
BUSBY Thos. & DENCHFIELD Mary 30-Sep-1743 Little Missenden
(i wonder if the Busby boys were related?)
SEAR William & DENCHFIELD Elizabeth 26-Jul-1767 Wing
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i can't spot any Purchas marriages in either Oxon or Bucks
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That's just it, toni, the Denchfields or Deanchfields as they started out, are full in yer face, look at us!
Richarde in 1600/1 is the second entry in the NM marriage register, his son Matthie seventh entry in baptisms.
Just the opposite with the Purchases...a family here, a family there...
I have just the one family in NM, Ric arrives with Mum, Dad and Sister, and when they are gone, so is the family. It's the dickens trying to track them down!
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Hi All,
Hope you dont mind but i just had a look at Oxfordshire Marriage Index and found this.
Not sure it will help but am posting incase :) :)
27 Feb 1681 Sarah Purchas of Sonning to Richard Ward at Rotherfield Pepp.
Sue :) :)
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In this case ANYTHING is likely to help, Sue.
Putting the bits together is like having half a dozen jig saws, throwing them in the air, and then trying to make a specific one...
So bring it on...you never know.
I do know I'm hungry though, so food time....
I shall return....hopefully not stuffed too full.
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Could the name Purchas be spelt Purchase?
Again from Oxfordshire Marriage Index
24 Jan 1797 John Purchase to Frances Ball at Wolvercote
27 Nov 1805 Timothy Purchase to Sarah Morris at Ox St Aldate
23 Apr 1810 Timothy Purchase to Martha Morris at Ox St Peter E
You did say anything ;D ;D ;D
Sue
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See you also been searching Denchfield so also checked for those.
6 May 1587 John Denchfield to Isabel Driver at Fringford
8 Jan 1816 John Denchfield to Rebecca Harris at Ox St Mary Mag
22 Oct 1793 Richard Denchfield of N Marston BRK to Mary Roads at Upper Heyford
22 Oct 1650 Thomas Denchfield of Sonning to Eleanor Allawayes of Sonning at Shiplake
Sue :) :)
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Morning everyone
having coffee and back on the hunt ;D
I looked at the 1841 census this morning and could not find any Purchas peeps in Bucks :-\ did they all move on again?
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No idea, deb, they die out in North Marsden in 1742 when the only male...Rev Ric dies.
Sue I have Denchfields coming at me from everywhere...My direct line is back to 1600/01... in NM of course, then the family branches out all over the world with far and distant cousins of cousins... I'm not surprised where they turn up.
My 4 Purchas are Purchas all the time, but I do know there are lots all over the place with slight variations.
I particularly liked this one....
27 Nov 1805 Timothy Purchase to Sarah Morris at Ox St Aldate
23 Apr 1810 Timothy Purchase to Martha Morris at Ox St Peter E
I wonder if that was the same chap marrying sisters.....
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I'd love to claim Samuel Purchas, he seems quite a character, but he's an Essex man...I'm hoping that my Ric's lot are Bucks...having said that, a branch of the family could have gone to Essex, or a branch of his family could have come to Bucks....
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Paula,
jamajo 27 Feb 1681 Sarah Purchas of Sonning to Richard Ward at Rotherfield Pepp.
Rotherfield Peppard next to Rotherfield Greys, are you sure that is not one of yours? That's how we met remember!
Priceless if it is!
Rabbit B ;)
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Wrong half of that side of the family, I'm afraid, Rabbit, that was the Bartlett side, with dear old Dinah and her daughter Anne who had the live in boyfriend.
We had a bit of fun chasing them, didn't we ;D
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Well Paula,
I asked you because, I have found in my family that there were introductions, where Brothers ended up marrying Sisters of the Groom or Bride, ? met at the family wedding Christening ::) It was a common occurrence I think.
My maternal G.Gran's brothers married her Sisters in law, and Brothers in law on her Husbands side, married relis of the sisters on the other side if you can keep up with it!
I also found it happening in the other half of the family at the other end of the Country so I wondered if you had considered the possibility. This lot of yours are at least in the same County, mine were all over the place!
Rabbit B ???
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I have no way of knowing, Rabbit. All I have is Rev Ric, his sister Elizabeth, His father Richard, possibly a woolman from Winslow and his mother Ruth origins unknown.
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;D Dinah Bridge 23/12/1662 to John Purchas (M130341)
Opps... St Edward, Cambridge
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Not another bloomin Dinah :o I hope she married him...
Where are they, Lesanne...
Think I had better go get tea....talk amongst yourselves for a while....I'll let you ;)
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quite often Clergy were placed here and there so moved round alot , not quite like gypsies as they were recorded ;D
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married Wednefday Mr Richard Purchas, an eminent Scarlet Dyer in Southwark to Mifs Eleanor Cawthorne
St. James's Chronicle or the British Evening Post Thursday, April 17, 1766;
on Wednefday Mr Richard Purchas, an eminent Scarlet Dyer in Southwark, was married to Mifs Eleanor Cawthorne, youngeft daughter of Robert Cawthorne, Efq; of Camberwell, witha fortune of 3,000l
Public Advertiser Friday, April 18, 1766;
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Denchfield
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Denchfield
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Toni, there are a lot of Denchfields in the papers, and don't search for North Marston...you'll regrett it if you do...I know, I did..... ::)
It's a point, to consider....
If I have a string of clerics, perhaps that is why there are only a few of them in each village.
Like the Rev Ric and his family, it might be just the small family unit, which in his case was daughtered out.
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i found lots of Purchas (& variants) marriages elsewhere if you can connect them to a different county ........
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There are quite a few of them toni.
I've seen them on the IGI.
If you have any others I would be interested in them, especialy if they are very early ones.
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Having a think about that Richard Purchas, Scarlet Dyer of Southwark... I wonder if he was descended from the Woolman from Winslow, who we think is Rev Ric's dad Richard.
Could be, when the family came to North Marston they left one behind to look after the business....
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;D Will of George Purchase or Purchas, Wollen Draper of Maldon, Essex 21 June 1637 PROB 11/174
Available online £3.50
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In the woolen business again...wish it was Bucks not Essex, but that is certainly one to put on the list of must haves....
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I think that you should contemplate that particularly with regard to Southwark that the family had two bases. One in Bucks and the other in the centre of London. My experience is that families in those days frequently had a country seat and a town address which they migrated between them often dependent on things like incidents of the plague and the political climate.
There were traditions like the youngest son going into the church which might apply. Around the sixteenth century the religious beliefs of the rulers of England were also very fluid and these also caused the migration of families particularly those with clergy who had more fixed views.
David
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Sound thinking, David. That all seems to make sense.
Rev Ric's father, Richard of Winslow may well have had his house at Winslow, but his business in town.
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Calling it a day.
Once again, thank you, you lovely people for your help.
Good night little world sweet dreams (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sleep/1.gif)
see you.....
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This is proving a fascinating Scavenger Hunt.....I'm enjoying catching up each day, even though not being able to contribute. :D :D :D
.....dee
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Isn't it good, dee. So many names and so many new pieces of information, it will keep me busy for minths.....but it doesn't look as though it is going to improve my typos...minths...oh lor...MONTHS ;D
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Haven't crawled under the desk with a blanket over my head...yet,
Sorting PMs and trying to connect some Purchases...you never know, one day I may be able to stick a whole load of them on the family tree.
oh goody goody.
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i'm still floating around Paula not sure what else to follow up :-\
its a bit to early for me
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Not sure what you can follow up myself, toni, I didn't know half the things that have been turned up were out there.
When this started I thought I would get about one page and that would be it. Here we are on page 9.
I think my next move should be to send for the Winslow registers from Bucks Genealogy to see if Rev Ric was born there, or if his Dad was just living there for a while.
If he was, I might possibly be able to find his birth, and get one more generation back, which could take me somewhere else, and into new fields.
I haven't looked at the girls too hard yet, but the Purches fellers seem to be mainly in Cambridge, Wiltshire and (oh gawd not not again!) Hampshire.
Apart from those places they seem to do the Purchase thing and drop down for just one or two marriages.
As David said, they might have the church in their blood and be 'sent.'
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it was strange that there was none in Bucks or Oxon as these counties are covered also
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Strange indeed about Bucks as there is usually more than you can handle with Bucks what ever you are looking for. They have a heck of a lot of stuff on line, and I do myself have John marrying Annes Granthe in Bierton in 1569.
It's like having two ends of some very tough elastic and trying to pull them together, isn't it....
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Or having Ernest as your Granddad........... ;D ;D ;D
Barbara
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Oh dear, I don't like the sound of that, Barbara :D
I had an Uncle Ernest, he was lovely.
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No, this is my Ernest Paula..........and he's down the pub somewhere with all the other lost souls........we just have to work out WHICH pub....... ::) ::) ;D
Barbara
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Is there a pub called the Planet Zog, that might be the one....we've found a lot of ancestors disappear to Planet Zog
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i thik mine came from there but did not returned! ;D
the trouble is if they died as an unknown we would never find them
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Morning all,
Of course, why didn't I think of that! That is where they are all hanging out! Has anyone googled it? It would most likely come up! Te he! ::)
Rabbit B ;D
PS Toni there are a lot of unknowns in the graveyards too and we know what they are don't we!
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Hi Rabbit....and the rest are probably Webbs, because no one knew which name they were using at the time and played safe....
Right, off to shops, back later.
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Dropping in to say a big THANK YOU to everyone who has helped in the hunt. I hope you do as well in the next one.
The letter is on it's way to Bucks Genealogy asking if I can borrow their Winslow marriage transcriptions...that should arrive any month now, depending on how many people are lined up to borrow it.
If I find a Richard there getting married to a Ruth, I'll know I'm onto a good thing.
I have also downloaded the will for George Purchase, woollen draper... Can't read a word as yet, it's too small, but I've transfered it to Paint and can blow it up.
I have so many links and leads to follow I don't know how to thank you all.
I'll let you know how things progress.
Oh, and DebbieG....I've ironed the crease out
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Ohhh - Paula thank you soo much (shame someone can't iron the creases out of me now :) )
DebbieG
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my creases are due to the amount of swimming i do, well thats what i tell everyone ! ;D
Paula if you find soem new information or are confused about something we i.e. i have supplied just post it on here
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Glad you approve Debbie.
If anything turns up, one way or t'other I'll be sure to keep everyone in the know, toni*
I have managed to 'sort of' read down the first page of the will, just getting to the good bits...
Seems he had sons Samuel and George. Makes your eyes go crossed though, so doing it in easy stages.
Now I'm waiting, none to patiently for the next move from Bucks Genealogy.
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Fingers crossed Paula,
I haven't found any wills yet bar one! You never know what you might find! ;D
Rabbit B ;)
PS Toni, I cannot make that excuse about my creases, I haven't been swimming since dislocating my shoulder in the middle of the river! That was fun, but I was a very strong swimmer in those day! ::)
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is there a new hunt today ? or have i gotten thine dayef muddled
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I know you're all waiting fingers poised over the keyboards ready for this weeks Hunt, so here it is.
It's a hard one, but I know you can help.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,316739.0.html
Barbara
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Right that's it, going to be humpy for the rest of the day now ;)
Sent for the transcripts of Winslow Marriages to see if there was a Richard+Ruth at the right time....
In all the towns in all of Buckinghamshire...I think Winslow is the only one without a Purchas in it!
I'll get Births, because you never know that might turn him up, he might have married out of parish where ever Ruth was... but as there don't seem to be any at all getting married there, looks like he went to live there and wasn't born there...
Oh Bottoms! >:(
toni* looks like I'll be paying a lot of attention to those marriages...
Lesanne I'll be chasing up the will of John Purchas the clerk from Bierton, probate 1596... that's a bit early, but there might be a son Richard, or grandson Richard mentioned...
Watch this space.......
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......So along came Winslow Baptisms and what do you know ;D >:(
Winslow baptisms
Elizabeth d/o Richard Jun --1680 (bp the following Sunday)
Well that's my Elizabeth taken care off, pity there isn't a propper date, but that's how it is.
Richard s/o Richard 1673 Jan 19
That's the Rev Ric taken care of.
Ruth -----1682 Jul 2
Obviously named after the mother. Didn't know about her....she disappears, probably dies.
But when I tried to find when the father 'Richard of Winslow' was baptised..........................................
Rev Ric is the first Purchas in the book...
So I still don't know where they came from. Ruth, Elizabeth and Rev Ric are the only three entries in the Winslow records, the same as the marriage of Elizabeth to John Denchfield, and the deaths of Ric of Winslow and Ruth and the only Purchas entries in the N M records...
What was it with these people?
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Hi Paulatoo,
the dates you give were before the calendar changed from Gregorian to roamn or vice versa (i can never remember) so you have to allow abit for that
however were there still four (sometimes5) sundays in a month this wil help narrow down the actual bp. birth of Elizabeth
i think seeing as Richard was a Rev you should try the Lambeth Palace
there should be no problems in gaining nfo. from them as the DPA expires upon a persons demise
how did you order the Winslow Bp's?
Muddy would like to order the Fiche for StGiles without (at Cripplegate) but doesn't know how
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Hi toni*
It's only the day date that isn't recorded for Elizabeth, I have Jun 1860, but the day is unreadable, and if Bucks Genarlogy can't read it, good enough for me....and look at the way I spelt Genealogy... how did I manage that...leaving it in for the laugh ;D
I have the Rev Ric from cradle to grave now, and a lot in between.
We found his father was 'Richard of Winslow.'
Yeah, right...worst fears realised...I knew it was going to happen...
He was living in Winslow when Ric jnr was born in 1763....but he didn't come from there....
We know from the North Marston Burials that Ric snr married a gal called Ruth ... so it's back to trawling nationwide for a Ruchard Purchas(any spelling) getting married to Ruth. That could be the next clue as to where he came from.
It's probably somewhere in Bucks, but just exactly where?
Every time I borrow a register there seems to be two, three, four Purchas entered and no more.
As to getting my hands on the Registers...
Bucks Genealogy have transcribed a load of the Bucks registers which can be borrowed by members.
All you have to do is pay post and packing each way...
and you can keep them for a month.
This is how I am back to mid 1500s with the Capenhursts and very early 1600s with a lot of others.
I've enquired about the will for John Purchas of Bierton in the hope that he will name someone useful....but as yet I have had no reply.
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did any of the marriages i sent to you have ric m. ruth?
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Guess :'(
Not a one, but as you say...none from Bucks.
I'll bet, one day, I'll get the marriages for some parish, looking for someone else, and there they will be... the only entry for Purchas in the book.
I'm getting used to them.
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It's probably not relevant but I found a mention of Thomas Purchase in the following will
http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/az/wtext/soundy_007.html
David
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Thanks for that David, in a case like this you never know what will help.
I love,
Item...one Little horse...£1-2-0
Ahhhhhh
They say every cloud has a silver lining...I have just found a missing Green in the Winslow Baptisms....so that's where they came from.
That's given him a baptism date, and the name of his parents. :)
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found it ;D
although i pm'd you the info now
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Just found another Rev Purches... although I should say I've rediscovered him...
For those who know the Eliza Ann Smith saga ;D
For those who don't...you don't want to.
Suffice it to say, we were having a look at the Eliza Ann papers...
Reading down her marriage cert, bride and groom both of full age, only we know she was only 18, and looked at the name of the cleric who married her to Henry Moore....or someone calling himself Henry Moore, in 1858.....
It was George C Purches....
I couldn't believe my eyes, well, after I stopped laughing.
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;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;) ::)
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Well you've got to ;D haven't you... them Rev Purchases get everywhere, even straying over to the other side of the family.........
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onto George then - is he related ?
:)
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;D He may be somewhere dim and distant, toni*, but I don't think I'll bother with him. Too much trouble trying to find where Richard of Winslow came from...if it wasn't Winslow.
Still haven't tracked him down in 'villages ajacent.' Never mind, one day I'll be looking down a register and there it will be, the marriage of Richard and Ruth.
I think it will be in Bucks, the country was very well covered in the list you sent me, except for Bucks, and I reckon he did, what my Bucks lot seem to like doing... just moved down the road a little way...
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just a simple question
Winslow
are there more than one ?
maybe he wasn't of Winslow Bucks but of Winslow elsewhere
did you contact the place that has clergy men records (was it Lambeth Palace) because i know we know about Samuel and its his father Rick we were after but there may be some record to him on Samuels applying to be a man of the church
'Today we had a young man of ... stock apply to become a minister which would be all very well if only his fatehr .... was/wasn't .........'
for example
;D
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Haven't gone further with that yet, toni*
It's Richard son of Richard of Winslow that became Rev Ric... I think we have a Samuel, but it's at a bit different time... heck, can't remember, will have to read it all back... but you are right, Lambeth may have something on Ric son of Ric...
Rev Ric, and two sisters were born in Winslow, Bucks, so I reckon that's the Winslow we want. His Dad probably moved there....from just down the road....somewhere....
But then again...
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Richard /Samuel
thats what i meant ;)
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Thought it might be, toni*
There are so many of them...and a good percentage are rev gents, between them and the Denchfields it's a wonder anyone else had a look in...
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Latest update....
Lesanne, in message 30 you found a will for John Purchas of Bierton...
I contacted Bucks asking if I could have a copy....
It's taken months, but they finally got back to me, with apologies for the delay..
'We have checked the will you have listed and unfortunately it is in a fragile condition and cannot be photocopied. If you are able to visit the centre you can look at it in the search rooms. However, we do have the registered copy of the will (DAWe: 19 41), and you are able to take a photograph of this with a digital camera for a standard cost of £5.00. '
So all is not lost, except that it will take some doing to get me to Aylesbury...
Oh well, if we do get a summer this year.....
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:-\ Can't they send you a copy image of the registered copy, by email :-\
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Hi Lesanne,
Nope, looks like I have got to go and pay £5 for the privilege of taking my own photo....
Rotten darned lot, I thought they would have photocopied the copy and sent it to me.... >:(
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:o What do our friends in way off lands do then. Surely they can't be expected to show up and take a photo.... ???
Some RO's are really very helpful, others are, well... :-X
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Ah HA!
No I haven't strayed onto the wrong Hunt thread....
If I can't get to the Bucks place in Aylesbury, there is a list of researchers who may do it for me...
See...
http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/bcc/content/index.jsp?contentid=-746638797
So they do try to help...ish
I had a look...and another look and ages later found them...
Let's see what the summer is like first.
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;) Just found ref to Catherine Purchas (Norfolk. Will 1766) on TNA search.
Happens to be with Patridge family, that happeh to be linked in some way with my Turners in Berks.
Just thought of you.... Lesanne.
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Hi Lesanne,
They get all over the place the Purchas, little family groupd of three or four, lasting a couple of generations at the most, and then they move on.
Would make a very interesting one name study for anyone with the brains to follow them.
My two little brain cells are quivering at the thought :D
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Hi All,
I know I'm arriving a little late to this party, but I'm so thrilled I found this thread!!! I'm descended from Richard of Winslow's daughter Elizabeth, and I'm wondering if anything has turned up on Richard's birth. The Reverend Richard seems to have had a brother Matthew, who died in Winslow before they moved to North Marston. With the help of the Buckinghamshire Family History Society, I've searched through all the counties in Bucks for the birth of Matthew, but nothing's turned up.
I've love to know where this family came from :)
-Claire
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Ah HA!
More information on the Rev Ric, and the Rev Ric's Dad...
I have
Rev Ric baptised 19 Jan 1672 in Winslow buried 1 Sept 1742 North Marston
Elizabeth Purchas baptised 19 Jun 1680 - 15 Jan 1755 North Marston
Ruth Purchas baptised 2 Jul 1682......death unknown
I had no idea that there was another brother.
Perhaps Matthew was born in the town of Ruth or Richard of Winslow's origin.
So now a new name can be added to the list
We need to find a Richard Purchas getting wed to Ruth ?
Also the birth/death of Matthew, son of Richard and Ruth Purchas
Wish I could be of more help Claire, but at present....the search goes on.
Just wait till Barbara finds out that yet another of the Scavenger Hunts has been of interest to someone...She might be....just a bit pleased ;D
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Here's Matthew's burial, from the nice people at the Buckinghamshire Family History Society :-)
Winslow Burials St Laurence Church
2 Jul 1680 Mathew PURCHAS son of Richard
12 Sep 1687 Sarah PURCHAS daughter of Richard
They are also sending me a list of every Purchas marriage in Bucks County from 1538 - 1738. I should have it in a few days and if there's anything helpful i will post it here. I've been working on my family history for 30 years, but I to say the folks here at Rootschat are some of the most helpful i've come across!!!!
-Claire
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My goodness, a Sarah as well....now I wonder where she fits in....
Thanks for those two dates. I shall add them to the family tree.
I only follow the direct line unless there is trouble...buddy Eliza Ann from Portsea being one case,(that woman is known and feared here on Roots and on the BBC FT Messageboard, she was a difficult one) ...and of course the Rev Ric's parents who seem to have arrived in Winslow, had three children and then moved on to North Marston.
I come down by way of John Denchfield 1674, John Denchfield 1716, John Denchfield 1737 and Ann Denchfield 1773 who married William Baker in 1794
...and yes, I have to agree, they are a friendly bunch on Roots. Brilliant, every one of 'em.
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Sarah was Richard and Ruth's daughter also. She was baptized in Winslow 29 Jun 1684 and died when she was three. So I imagine when the Purchas's rode into North Marston, it would have been with a heavy heart, having just buried Mathew the year before and toddler Sarah a couple years before that. Maybe there was just too much heartbreak for them in Winslow.
I'm also from the marriage of Ann and William Baker :-D
-Claire
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Three children left behind...I have never been able to find what happened to Ruth, baptised in Winslow 2 Jul 1682....so they must have had heavy hearts indeed.
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Thrilled.........I'm totally thrilled :D :D :D And I'm absolutely delighted Claire has found us here. :D
Another feather in the Scavenger Hunt cap. ;D
Barbara
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It's exciting when people find us, isn't it, Barbara
Cheers for RootsChat
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It's exciting when people find us, isn't it, Barbara
Cheers for RootsChat
And so say all of us! Thrilled for all of you!
Rabbit B ;D
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It's exciting when people find us, isn't it, Barbara
Cheers for RootsChat
It sure is Paula.......I'm just waiting for somebody with Ernest in their family to find RC ;D ;D
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It's exciting when people find us, isn't it, Barbara
Cheers for RootsChat
It sure is Paula.......I'm just waiting for somebody with Ernest in their family to find RC ;D ;D
Hi Tephra,
I have an Ernest in my tree!
Rabbit B
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Hi Rabbit.........jeeeeeeeeeeeeeze I wish........ ;D ;D
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I just got the list of all Purchas marriages in Bucks from 1538-1738, and no Richard & Ruth :-\
And still no clue about what happened to daughter Ruth. She's not on the list either.
I'll keep hunting..... :)
-Claire
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She probably did a runner with ernest and both of them are living happily on Planet Zog ;D
Odd how you can sometimes find everyone in a family, trace them from cradle to grave...all except one, who either never dies or dies but is never born.
I suppose that's what makes Family History so much fun ::)
If Richard + Ruth is not in the Bucks marriage list....looks like they might have come from somewhere else....
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Hi Rabbit.........jeeeeeeeeeeeeeze I wish........ ;D ;D
Hi Tephra,
Well sadly he was killed in WW1. If I find another I will let you know at once! But only if he was found in a Handbag!
Rabbit B ;D
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Please don't...I shall go all Edith Evans for the rest of the Evening...
'In a HAND- Bag?'
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Please don't...I shall go all Edith Evans for the rest of the Evening...
'In a HAND- Bag?'
Me too!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sadly.....I don't think Ernest was a 'Hand Bag' type person!! ;D ;D ;D
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Luky for you....
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Extremely ;D ;D
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Well, I don't know what's going to happen next on this thread, we are now down the Baker line, shooting of till it becomes the East line and heading into the mid 1500s...
Wey hey...look out Adam and Eve ;D
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I come down by way of John Denchfield 1674, John Denchfield 1716, John Denchfield 1737 and Ann Denchfield 1773 who married William Baker in 1794
Hi everybody, :)
I know it's been a while since this thread was active, but I'm returning to my Denchfield line after a bit of a hiatus and I'm curious Paula about the father of the John Denchfield born in 1737 that you referenced in your message above. How do you know he is the child of John born 1716, son of JOhn and Elizabeth, and not the child of John born 1714, son of Richard and Ann?
I don't have anything in my notes which answers this question conclusively, so I'm a bit stuck. The two Johns appear to be cousins, as their fathers John and Richard were brothers, so regardless of which John fathered the John of 1737, he definitely descends from John 1639, but I'm confused about the generations in the middle.
-Claire
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Ah, yes, I see what you mean, Claire...
I have never for one minute considered that John, but I suppose without the proof in our hands it is a possibility.
Richard and Ann's other two children, William and Richard died when only a few weeks old but there is no more on John...
I suppose it could be, that there is no more on the John born to John and Elizabeth, while the line comes down from John and Ann.....
In the beginning when I first started the tree I was in contact with a lady who had been researching the Denchfields for over 20 years, and had studied the North Marston registers. She was the one who had me thinking that this was the correct line and I have always accepted it.
I believe she may have wills, etc that prove it, but I am not sure. The only Denchfield will I have is for much later.
She is a very good researcher, but now you have pointed out this flaw, I see what you mean....
Something to be looked into.
See you
Paula
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Hi Everybody,
I know we talked about the Denchfield Wills somewhere on this forum. I wanted to let you know I've transcribed Gefferie Denchfield's will, which was proved 9 Sep 1603, in North Marston.
The text of my transcription is here:
http://mahoganybox.net/2011/british-roots/treasure-chest-thursday-gefferie-denchfield-of-north-marston-1602-will
It was really hard to read, and I've missed some bits, but I wanted to share the gist of it. :-)
-Claire
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Claire you are a star. Thank you so much for your hard work and for putting this in a place where we can see it.
It was very kind of you to remember us here,
Paula
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No, thank you! I'd be nowhere with the Denchfields if it weren't for the rootschat people!! :)
Claire
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Fantastic, Claire.......... you're a gem. :D
Barbara
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Hi Claire
I am so very impressed.
Excellent work.
Rabbit B ;D
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Hi everybody :)
I'm on a palaeography roll with the Denchfields!! Here's my transcription of Mathew/Mathie's will, made in 1658
http://mahoganybox.net/2011/british-roots/amanuensis-monday-matthew-denchfield-will-1658
thanks
claire
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Claire you are one in a million, thank you so much for sharing.
Paula
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That's brilliant, Claire.......... thank you
Barbara
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This thread goes from better to better still, doesn't it, Barbara.
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It does indeed, Paula........... betterer and betterer and totally betterer ;D ;D
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The only thing is......
I started it in 08 and I still haven't found out where Rev Ric's Dad came from, or where he married his Ruth.
He might have been known as Richard of Winslow, but he sure as heck wasn't born there.
Lots of Richards born all over the country, but no way of knowing which one is the man. Only way will be to find a marriage of a Richard Purchas(various spellings) to a Ruth, and that has never turned up...
All the same, Claire is being so generous sharing her information on his son in law's family that the thread is truly worth it's weight in KBs.
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Never mind, Paula......... folk are looking at it all the time, and you never know, one of these days you'll get a notification ......... and it'll be THE ONE!!!! ;D ;D
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Never mind, Paula......... folk are looking at it all the time, and you never know, one of these days you'll get a notification ......... and it'll be THE ONE!!!! ;D ;D
This Rabbit has developed Green eyes Barbara! Init lovely to find things like that.
;D ;D
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It sure is, Rabbit....... makes these Hunts really worthwhile. ;D ;D
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Hi everybody :)
I've transcribed another Denchfield will -- John Denchfield, made in 1689. Son of Mathew
This link is to my translation and notes about it and from there you can find the actual transcription.
http://mahoganybox.net/2011/british-roots/john-denchfield-iremonger-of-north-marston
Cheers!
Claire
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Bless you for your kindness, Claire.
This is truly wonderful. 8)
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Claire............. You're a gem.
Thank you
Barbara
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Can't believe what we started here, Barbara.
It's like throwing a party and all the relations and neighbours dropping in.
Magic!
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Can't believe what we started here, Barbara.
It's like throwing a party and all the relations and neighbours dropping in.
Magic!
And each one bringing a box full of surprises, It's just great.
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Morning everyone!
I've added the transcription of the widow Mary (Gurney) Denchfield's will of 1817 to my blog.
http://mahoganybox.net/2011/10/amanuensis-monday-1817-will-of-mary-denchfield-of-aston-abbotts/
In it she, the widow of John Denchfield, dairyman of North Marston, mentions all of their children (with the daughters' married names) including her daughter Ann, wife of William Baker. Yay!!!!!!! Finally, proof of Ann Denchfield's lineage Paula!!
I feel sure that an analysis of this record will put to rest the controversy of who bore all of John's children. Many online genealogies report that John had two wives named Mary and that both marriages had issue, but I think this will, along with indirect evidence from other sources, shows he had only one wife who was the mother of all his children.
Thank the gods for probate records!!
Claire
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Claire I am thrilled to bits.
God bless Mary Gurney.
Bless you too, for sharing your findings with us.
All the best and with many many thanks,
Paula
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Claire I am thrilled to bits.
God bless Mary Gurney.
Bless you too, for sharing your findings with us.
All the best and with many many thanks,
Paula
Hi Paula,
Some people get all the luck, but I am so very glad for you!
It couldn't happen to a nicer person
Rabbit B ;D
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Thanks Rabbit, I couldn't agree more ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks Rabbit, I couldn't agree more ;D ;D ;D
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This afternoon I have read all 22 pages of this thread, hoping that when I got to the last message we would know where Richard of Winslow was born and his marriage to Ruth.
Oh well another mystery to solve you never know in another 3 years it will be solved seeing as this hunt started in 2008.
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I have my doubts, bertie, I have my doubts :'(
I have tried everything I could think of, even looking for a Richard Purchas(any spelling) getting hitched to a gal callled Ruth ?
Nowhere in the country has one turned up ... yet.
They certainly didn't get married in Winslow, I've been through the register.
The only alternative is that they didn't get married, but as his son goes on to be the Rev Ric I somehow don't think that is likely.
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The info will turn up eventually Paula they can't hide forever unless of course they were rich and were baptised/married in a private chapel on some big estate somewhere.
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hi my friend is a purchas /purkiss . her uncle was a rev in norfolk but i have seen name as purkiss in cumbria . havent read all you 22 pages so have just butted in .. wonder if you are related ??
jan
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Hi Jan,
Problem with my lot, they seem to travel all round Bucks stopping for a generation or so in each town. They are hard to link up. In my case, Richard is already married, he seems to have stopped by Winslow to work and have his children, thus getting the name 'Richard of Winslow,' but there is no record of him in the Winslow registers before the christenings. Then of course, he moves on with his son Rev Richard Purchas, and ends up in North Marston in the mid 1700s.
If your friend comes across a Richard getting married to a Ruth? then I would love to know.
As bertie says, they are out there somewhere.
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The only alternative is that they didn't get married, but as his son goes on to be the Rev Ric I somehow don't think that is likely.
i don't know if it would be that unlikely some judges children go on to be criminals
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Lambeth Palace has ercords of Anglican Clergymen if that helps ;)
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Hi Toni,
It was through church records that we found his dad was Richard of Winslow.
Brief heady moment, rush for the Winslow records ... and he wasn't even married there :-\
Can you imagine Rev Ric living with his father in North Marston and having to keep very quiet that the old fellow was not married ... don't think so. Although, as you say ... hey perhaps he didn't know ... perhaps Dad kept mum, and Mum kept her mouth shut ;)
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Hello all :D
I made an interesting Denchfield discovery yesterday- related to the marriage of John Denchfield and his second wife Awdry, you'll find my notes on it in a blog post here:
http://mahoganybox.net/2011/11/update-on-the-mystery-of-awdry-knowles-denchfield/
There's also a handwritten chart of the Denchfields of Whitchurch. A bit off topic, but you never know where a new clue might lead. :D
Cheers,
Claire
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Claire that is fantastic. What a bit of luck. I would never have found that in a hundred years. Well done for all your effort. You deserve a hearty pat on the back.
Once again, Thank you!
Paula
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What a find Paula you must be thrilled.
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Thrilled, I'm tickled pink, bertie.
What a very special person Claire is for sharing her finds.
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Well done Claire, and thank you for sharing...... I just hope Paula's not too pink, she'll be looking just a touch funny!! ;D
Great news, Paula. ;)
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I just can't believe how this thread has developed. I think it's marvelous.
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Any time you want another Hunt...... just let me know ;D ;D
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If they have this kind of result ... I could well take you up on that, Barbara, the Welsh side of the family comes to a juddering halt around 1800 ... not good when I have one line back to 1500 :-[ (give or take a couple of years)
But at the minute I have other things on the go.
I'm self publishing the Romantic Novel I concocted, based on the life and times of my dear, sweet, great grandmother Eliza Ann Smith.
Great fun, very time consuming.
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Hi All,
Another North Marston Denchfield post you might enjoy reading.
For a long time I've been stuck on the fact that John and brother Richard BOTH had sons named John, one born in 1714, the other in 1716. There's nothing in the parish register to indicate which one married Elizabeth Purchas in 1736, and I don't like basing my family tree on mere assumption. So......I've finally figured out which one, using land and probate records. The John Denchfield who married Elizabeth Brewer was the son of John Denchfield and Elizabeth Purchas. It seems like most online trees already had that connection, but no one had any definitive evidence. I wrote about how I arrived at this conclusion here.:
http://mahoganybox.net/2011/11/following-the-land-a-working-example-using-the-denchfields/
Now if I can just figure out what happened to the OTHER John.....he seems to have disappeared into thin air.. :D
-Claire
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It's like the Caponhursts of Granborough, Claire.
Several people had Rycharde as father of Richard way beyond the records and no way of proving it ... except that one bright spark found Rycharde's will, naming his son Richard ...
A lot of times the evidence is there, you just have to find it.
Thanks for the latest instalment. Much appreciated.