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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: Skull on Sunday 13 July 08 07:02 BST (UK)
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Looking for the parents of Martha Monk born in about 1805 in Bucks. She married Thomas Rogest in Burnham in 1826. They had a child, Jane Elizabeth born 1827. She was widowed, and then married Thomas Buckland in 1834 with whom she had 10 children from 1831 to 1848.
Skull
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On the 1851 census both Thomas and Martha are living in Burnham and Martha gives Burnham as her place of birth which narrows it down a bit Thomas was a widower by 1861. in Burham where the family was in 1841. On the 1851 census all the children were born Burnham with the eldest child Emma aged 17, but on the 1841 census there is another child Louisa then 10.
Emma Buckland
Christening: 26 OCT 1834 Burnham, Buckingham
Father: Thomas Buckland
Mother: Martha Buckland
Louisa Rogest
Christening: 21 AUG 1831 Burnham, Buckingham
Father: Thomas Buckland
Mother: Martha Rogest
an earlier child
Jane Elisabeth Rogest
Christening: 13 MAY 1827 Burnham, Buckingham
Father: Thomas Rogest
Mother: Martha Rogest
No burials for anyone with the surname Rogest or Roget/s showing in Buckinghamshire on the National Burial Index or indeed anywhere between 1826 and 1866 except for one woman for Roget in Huntingdonshire. Nothing on the IGI for the surname in Buckinghamshire other than the two baptisms already given (Burnham marriages are not covered on the IGI after 1812).
Have you found Martha's first marriage in Burnham parish registers to establish her maiden name?
Burnham baptisms are not fully covered on the IGI. I think only from about 1813 onwards probably Bishop Transcripts only and not the actual registers themselves.
Regards
Valda
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Thanks for the reply. I didn't have Jane Elizabeth Rogest - where did you find her?
From the BHFS marriage database, I have :
Banns
5th April 1834
BUCKLAND Thomas X, wid of this parish
ROGETS Martha X, wid of this parish
Witnesses: Ann Butlar, William Britnell
I shall look up the name Rogest in the Bucks marriage database. It's an unusual name and it doesn't seem to crop up anywhere else.
Thanks again
Skull
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All the baptisms are on the IGI but as far as I can tell any coverage of Burnham's baptisms as I said is only from 1813 onwards.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
Regards
Valda
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I can't really add that much, I have all the children who are already listed. Plus
Sophia Buckland
b. 21st October 1838
Lavinia Buckland
20 NOV 1836
Burnham, Buckingham, England
I cannot find any details on her parent though. Sorry
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Skull,
I have ancestors from Burnham so know from experience that it's impossible to find the Burnham PRs online.
I really would recommend that you contact the FHS
www.bucksfhs.org.uk
and ask them for a name search. The price is very reasonable.
I agree with Valda - you obviously need to locate Martha's first marriage to Thomas Rogest pre 1827. Then, presumably, his burial between 1827 and 1831/4 when Martha appears to have had an illegitimate child in 1831 with Thomas Buckland (Louisa) and then married him in 1834.
When you have her maiden name, you can then ask for a baptism search and, if you go for the one name/100 year period option (if my memory serves me right - only about £2 or £3) you'll hopefully be able to trace her parents etc. (assuming they didn't move to Burnham from elsewhere of course!!)
They're very nice people and do the searches remarkably quickly.
Jill
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I'll be watching this as they are in my tree (very distantly!).
(I do have a note of a marriage 3/5/1815 between Thomas Buckland bach otp and Jane Neild sp otp by licence. Must have written that down when I borrowed a copy of Burnham PRs from the FHS. Witnesses W. Buckland and Elizabeth Buckland.)
Have to agree about the elusive PRS, wouldn't mind but St Peters Church is only a couple of miles up the road from me!
(Have since twigged who you are and found your tree so you have the above anyway)
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There is no burial for Thomas Rogest/Roget in Burnham or in Buckinghamshire parishes in general covered by the NBI.
Regards
Valda
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Thanks for all the information. The FHS are doing a name search in the marriage database for ROGEST, so I'll wait to see what turns up.
I notice that there is another marriage recorded for a Thomas Buckland in Burnham:
Banns
15 July 1820
BUCKLAND Thomas x, bach otp
LOTHEN Hannah, spin otp
Witnesses: John Rance, Mary Austen, Maria Winter
I had Jane Neild as his first wife (marriage 1815), but maybe Hannah was his first wife.
There were obviously 2 Thomas Bucklands around in Burnham at the time, because for both these marriages, Thomas is listed as a bachelor.
I'm particularly interested in Thomas (1785-1876), christened Bucklin, as he is a direct descendant. My mum is a Buckland from Beaconsfield. I've traced her family back to Thomas's father, Richard Bucklin and his wife Mary (see post 13 July). Their children were variously christened Bucklin and Bucklan.
This is where I am completely stuck. I originally had this Richard and Mary as the descendants of a Marmaduke Buckland (1655) whose family come from the Wexham and Stoke Poges areas, but I was mistaken. This branch of the family features a lot of Marmadukes. One of them shot himself in 1730! I'm still hoping that there is a connection somewhere, as they seem to be an interesting lot - and a lot easier to trace!
Regards
Skull
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Between 1813 and 1837 the IGI has 21 Buckland baptisms in Burnham.
Three to Thomas and Jane
Ellen Buckland
Christening: 23 JUL 1815 Burnham, Buckingham
Father: Thomas Buckland
Mother: Jane Buckland
Eliza Buckland
Christening: 21 DEC 1817 Burnham, Buckingham
Father: Thomas Buckland
Mother: Jane Buckland
Jane Buckland
Christening: 08 JUL 1821 Burnham, Buckingham
Father: Thomas Buckland
Mother: Jane Buckland
The 1841 census has two Thomas Bucklands of equivalent age in Burnham. One with Martha and the other aged 45 with Hannah also aged 45 and 6 children aged between 14 and 1 though the IGI only shows 3 baptisms for Thomas and Hannah's children in Burnham.
Burial St Peter Burnham
21st July 1829
Jane Buckland aged 45
Hannah Buckland aged 50 was buried in 1850.
Regards
Valda
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I've just checked on Hannah Lothen, and she married a different Thomas Buckland (b. 1794) from Farnham Royal.
Skull
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Thanks Valda
He was a busy man wasn't he?
I've found Martha's first marriage, so I now have her maiden name.
5 Jun 1826
ROGEST Thomas X, bach otp
MONK Martha X, spin otp
Witnesses: Ann Monk, John X Martin, Wm Child
The only other entry for ROGEST is Martha's marriage to Thomas Buckland. I don't need to go any further with him, but will try and discover if these two had any other children apart from Jane Elisabeth Rogest.
I'm still stuck on Richard Bucklin, born in about 1750-1760.
Any ideas?
Skull
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Have you checked with the Bucks FHS for possibilities in their baptisms database other than the one which appears on the IGI in Stoke Poges?
Do you have an exact age at burial which will help you narrow down Richard's approximate birth year? What are the years 1750-1760 based on?
There is a Mary Buckland burial in Stoke Poges 16th February 1814 aged 67 but the indexes I have access to for burials only begin in 1813.
Where did Richard and Mary marry?
The IGI gives the candidate Richard Buckland baptised in Stoke Poges in 1750 and the marriage to Mary Harvey in 1771. The Bucks FHS marriage database is complete countywide up to 1837, so if another Richard Buckland/Bucklin married a Mary in Buckinghamshire they will be able to tell you.
The IGI's coverage of Stoke Poges baptisms ends in 1753 so you cannot tell from that source whether any baptisms occurred in Stoke Poges for the children of Richard and Mary nee Harvey.
The first child for Richard and Mary in Hitcham (just under 5 miles away from Stoke Poges) was in 1780. How have you ruled out this couple from Stoke Poges? Do they continue to have children in Stoke Poges after the Richard and Mary in Hitcham began to have their children baptised there from 1780 onwards?
Hitcham is close to the Berkshire/Buckinghamshire county border so if Buckinghamshire FHS databases draw a blank the next logical county to begin to search is Berkshire.
Regards
Valda
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I've ruled out Richard Buckland (1750-1829) and Mary nee Harvey as being the parents of the children born in Hitcham, as they had children in Stoke Poges up until 1787, which is 7 years after the first child was born in Hitcham in 1780.
My guess that Richard was born 1750-1760 is based on the date that the first child was born in 1780. I've guessed that he would have married between the age of 20 and 30.
In the Bucks FHS baptisms database, there are 3 Richard Bucklands born vaguely within the right period in Bucks.
Richard Buckland born 1765 in Amersham, base son of Hannah Buckland. This Richard I believe died in 1851 at Preston Bisset aged 86. In the 1851 census he is living with his grandson James (born 1808), and his wife and child.
I guess he was too young to have a child in 1780, so he can also be ruled out.
Richard Buckland born 1736 in Langley Marish, son of John and Ann Buckland
I can find nothing on him.
Richard Buckland born 1745 in Burnham, son of Richard and Mary Buckland
I can find nothing on him.
On the burial database there is a Richard Buckland who died in 1799 at Stoke Poges. He may have been the son of Richard (1750-1829)
There is another Richard Buckland of Taplow Common, who died in 1840 at Farnham Royal aged 103, which means he was born in 1737, perhaps at Langley Marish.
There is no marriage on the database for Richard Bucklin and Mary.
In the Posse Comitatus of 1798 there is a Richard listed in Hitcham as an infirm labourer. I suppose this is the Richard I'm trying to trace. There is also a James, presumably his son (born 1782).
As you suggest, I'll start looking at Berkshire.
Regards
Skull
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Do you know if any of your Bucklands were from Romany stock. I have lots of Bucklands moving around Berkshire, Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire.
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I don't have any evidence that any of my BUCKLAND family were of Romany stock, although it was rumoured that there was 'Gypsy' blood in the familly. It was assumed though, that this was on the LEE side of the family, if at all. There is no evidence of this either. The LEE familly were from the Wansford/Peterborough area of Northamptonshire.
Skull
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I believe the Bucklands and the Lees were related on the Romany side and of course were 'well travelled'. If you think it would help I could let you have anything on the Bucklands that I have.
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Therapist
Thanks. I would be grateful of anything you have, as my research has come to a standstill in about 1760.
Skull
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this is an incredibly old thread, but i've only just found it :/ ......so this im hoping someone may answer and try to help me ...... anyway ...... i am descended from Louisa Buckland 1831 - 1914 ..... daughter of Thomas Buckland and Martha Rogest(e) nee Monk ..... i did ind what i think are parents for Martha Monk but again, i came to a brick wall once i found those .....parents of marthe are Robert Monk (1759 - 1831) and Mary Hatch (1769 - 1836).... children of this marriage are:
Robert 1791 - ?
John 1793 - ?
William 1795 - ?
James 1797 - ?
Richard 1798 - ?
Mary 1800 - ?
Sarah - 1803 - ?
Martha 1805 - 1854
Elizabeth - 1807 - ?
any help to go further back would be appreciated
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I have another child for Robert Monk and Mary Hatch:
Ann Monk baptised 30 September 1810 at St Peter's, Burnham
And parents for Robert Monk (1759-1831) as:
Robert Monk (1837) and Mary Mead (1734-1815)
And parents for Robert Monk (1837) as:
Robert Monk (1809 Chalfont St Peter, Bucks) and Mary Coventry (abt 1809 Chalvey, Bucks)
And parents for Robert Monk (1809) as:
George Monk (abt 1684-1751 Chalfont St Peter, Bucks) and Mary Unknown (1684-1750)
Regards
Skull