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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: sallylynne on Saturday 12 July 08 23:38 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I wonder if anyone might live near Hebburn Cemetery? I know that Janet/Jane/Jennet Middlemass is buried there, and would really love to have a photo of her stone and inscription if there is one.
She died at 53 living at 4 St. Rollox St. hebburn
Thank you
Sallylynne
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Hello,
I am just wondering, have I posted this in the wrong area? Is Hebburn in Northumberland or Durham?
Sallylynne
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Hi sallylynne,
I think you're Ok:
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Hebburn/
Good luck - hope someone can help you (sadly I'm too far away).
Paulene :)
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Hello,
I am still confused, when I google Hebburn, I find both Hebburn Northumberland (Hebron) as in http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Hebburn/ near Morpeth, and Hebburn, a town within Tyne and Wear, and I am still not sure if Tyne and Wear is in Northumberland or Durham.
I believe my Hebburn is the second one as it shows up when I looked for St. Rollox St. Hebburn on the maps.
It seems to be part of Newcastle? Perhaps someone can explain this area?
Thanks,
Sally
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Hello,
Still confused as to the area, but I managed to find the Hebburn Cemetery located at Victoria Rd W. NE31 1UR. Is it in Durham or NBLD?
Sallylynne
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Cannot give you an "A" for north-east Geography LOL.
Hebburn on Tyne ( on the south bank of the river) was in the "traditional" County Durham, never in Northumberland.
In 1970 bureaucrats decided to take the south-eastern part of Northumberland and the north-eastern part of County Durham, merge them, to form the new county of Tyne & Wear. (Similar changes happened throughout England Scotland and Wales)
Then in 1986 Tyne and Wear as a "normal" county was disbanded leaving what we have today.. i.e. Five separate
" Unitary Authorities" of North Tyneside, Newcastle, on the north side of River Tyne, and South Tynseide, Gateshead and Sunderland , south of the Tyne.
For some functions the separate units work independently of each other, for others they work jointly.
Hebburn today lies within the unitary authority of South Tyneside.
(which is neither Northumberland or County Durham)
"Ancient" Parishes were the forerunners of local authorities. Before 1875, Hebburn on Tyne lay within the parish of Jarrow. In 1875 Hebburn became an independent parish.
Michael Dixon
Newcastle
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Hi Mike,
You're right - it's all very confusing to us further south - and the genuki search didn't really help! Michael's "geography lesson" is much easier to understand ;D
I found these sites which should help Sallylynne understand it all:
http://www.locallife.co.uk/southtyneside/cemeteries3.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Tyneside
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/REG/districts/south%20shields.html
http://www.hebburn.org/
The fourth site is just a lovely site which lots of useful information on Hebburn. The others hopefully explain how Hebburn used to come under Durham registration district, but now South Tyneside.
I searched rootschat to see where most of the posts regarding Hebburn cemetery were placed and most are on the Durham board, with the odd one under Northumberland - so you're not the only one to get confused ;)
I know you're worried that the post is on the wrong board, Sallylynne, but what will happen is one of the moderators will see it and move it if they think it needs doing - or you can contact one of them, and see if they will move it for you.
If you go on to the home page of rootschat and look at the foot of the page you will see the names of the users online at the moment. Any names in red are the moderators. Click on the name and their details will come up and you can PM them - I had to do this a couple of times when I was new to rootschat, and they're very helpful, and will come back to you.
Hope this all helps and doesn't add to the confusion.
Good luck,
Paulene :)
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Sallylynne,
And just adding a wee snippet to Paulene's notes, be prepared for disappointment once you target the right cemetery..... after many years of family searching, all my biggest failures have been in cemeteries.. e.g. found the spot but nothing there to mark it, found the headstone but unreadable through weather-wear.
But there are various transcriptions of burials/headstones available in libraries/county record offices. fingers crossed.
Michael Dixon
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Hi Michael and Sallylynne,
There is hope on the distant horizon, though.
I've searched and searched in Staffordshire, and Worcestershire, for the burial place of my ancestor who died in 1859 (period when it could be church graveyard or general cemetery), but with no joy. And, it's difficult to know where, and how far, to search next.
BUT, a new site has just been launched, which if lots of councils join the scheme could make life much easier:
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch
Not many councils participating at the moment - but watch this space!
Paulene :)
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Sallylynne, i know Hebburn well as my mum & dad both come from jarrow - next door. In fact i learnt to swim in hebburn pool!!
My Aunt is engrossed in family history in this area and a leading light in the jarrow(and i suspect hebburn) local history society. i know they have many cemeteries indexed. i will phone her and ask if hebburn is covered. watch this space.
Diddy ;D
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just rung her - they have some inscriptions, shes pretty sure hebburn cemetery is covered but she also says someone in the group may know the family name.
Will let you know...
Diddy
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Thanks to all of you for the information on Hebburn.
Your detailed explanation makes it a little more understandable Michael.
The Hebburn Cemetery on Victoria Rd. does look like the correct one, as a 1903 newspaper obituary mentioned that she was to be buried at Hebburn Cemetery.
I understand then, at that time period it was part of Durham Co.
Looking forward to any bits of information you are able to dig up Diddy!
Thanks again
Sallylynne
(BC Canada)
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Just to add further to the confusion, the one in Northumberland is known today as Hebron however the names Hebron and Hebburn seem to have been used and are interchangeable for both places depending upon which period in history you look.
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Thanks, Gordon - that explains the genuki search, then.
Paulene :)
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Hi, just had a phone call from my aunt, inscription as follows on stone in hebburn Cemetery:
Janet, wife of John George Middlemass.
died 17 september 1903. age 53
also George James, son of above
Died of wounds from action in France, 6 July 1917 aged 29
John George. died 5 August 1920. age 73
all the best, Diddy ;D
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Thank you so much Diddy.... I must have missed the notificatiion of this reply earlier. This really helps, I had been unable to find her husband's death record and there he is - John George 1920.
If anyone lives near the cemetery, I would love a photo of the stone! I know it is a lot to ask, but no harm in trying.
Thanks again
Sallylynne
BC Canada
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I live in Hebburn and frequently walk through the cemetery. Happy to take a photo for you. Do you know which part of the cemetery the grave is located?
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Hello,
I am sorry, but have no idea what part of the cemetery the stone is located in.
I only have note of the inscription given to me by a rootschat member.
"Janet, wife of John George Middlemass.
died 17 september 1903. age 53
also George James, son of above
Died of wounds from action in France, 6 July 1917 aged 29
John George. died 5 August 1920. age 73"
I don't know when it was copied down, and just hope the stone is still
in place.
Thank you for your help and interest.
Sallylynne.
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Hi sallyanne
My goodness I have only joined this chat room because I saw your request . It's took abit of doing. I was shocked when I saw your Query.
Janet (nee Noble) Middlemass was my Great Great Grandma. John George her Husband was my Great Great Granddad.
Her daughter Annie Wharrier Middlemass Noble was my mum's grandma (my Great Grandma) my mum ( Gladys Mitchell ( nee Noble) used to live with Annie.
Hope this helps you
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Hi sallyanne
My goodness I have only joined this chat room because I saw your request . It's took abit of doing. I was shocked when I saw your Query.
Janet (nee Noble) Middlemass was my Great Great Grandma. John George her Husband was my Great Great Granddad.
Her daughter Annie Wharrier Middlemass Noble was my mum's grandma (my Great Grandma) my mum ( Gladys Mitchell ( nee Noble) used to live with Annie.
I do have a photo od the gravestone but for some reason it wont send.
Hope this helps you
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amw54,
Welcome to Rootschat. If you want to send a personal message to Sallylynne you have to make one more post. Just answer this one and you will be at the minimum. You cannot post email addresses directly to the forum but you can in a personal message. You might be able to send the picture through an email better. It might depend on how mauch space a picture takes and their might be a limit on the website. I am no expert on this though.
Janis
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Hello Janis
I hope I am doing this right. I am a real novice at this. Thank you for your help. The photo I have got is to big to send but will most probably be OK if I can sent it to Sallyanne's e-mail like you suggested.
I am finding it hard to find my way round the site but I will try.
Thank You
Ann
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There is one tombstone in the Hebron (Hebburn) Church of St. Cuthbert (NBL) with a Middlemiss name according to my MI of the churchyard:
"Erected by Sarah Middlemiss in loving remembrance of her dear Husband James Middlemiss who died at Causey Park Bridge 13 Jan 1901 aged 58 years"
You never know who might be searching for this one.
If you look under the person's name you wish to contact you will see a little green scroll. If it is bright green they are logged in at the present time. Click on it whether light or dark green and you can send a message like an email.
Janis
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Hi SallyLynne, I live in Hebburn and have just come across this forum when researching the history of Hebburn cemetery, I'm not sure if you're still interested in this as I noticed your post was from 2008 but believe it or not, I was looking at a very old grave this morning with the name Middlemass, I can remember where it was and I'd be happy to go back tomorrow and take a photo for you 😊