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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: Lib Windram on Saturday 12 July 08 13:37 BST (UK)
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John Scott sr, born 1775, Tyrie, and his son John Scott jr born 17 Mar 1802 , emigrated to Canada, after the death of John sr's first wife Elizabeth Low died.
They both became well established farmers and citizens of the town of Brampton, Ontario . Both married and had 10 children each. Their lives are well documented in Canada.
What isn't mentioned in the Canadian archives, is the fact that 2 younger children, William and George , were left behind in Tyrie, to be brought up by relatives.
William married Janet Watt, George married Ann Tarvas.
John Scott sr 1775 , is recorded as having been a manufacturer in Aberdeenshire.
I would love to chat with anyone descended from the 2 forgotten boys who were left behind
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Hello Lib
An uncle descends from Scotts in Tyrie at the same period - but can see no link to your line - probably a common name in the area at the time? . I've just come off of www.rootsweb.com and see that there was a also a sister left behind who did not marry. Did you post the tree there ? :O)
Regards, Steve :O)
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Hello
Yes there was a sister too, and no, my tree is posted on Genereunited. I have been talking with one of the Canadian Scotts, who may well have posted with rootsweb.
I shouldn't be bitter about the forgotten 3 children, because I wouldn't have eventually met my husband (who's mother was a Scott)
I'd searched and searched to find a death for John Scott sr in Aberdeenshire, and finally gave up. Only when I was contacted by the Scott from Canada, did I find out that he was buried in Bampton of all places. I would never have though of looking for him there!
I haven't been able to contact any other of the Scotts who were left behind, and would love to know if there's a bit more to the story.
Lib
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If the John Scott who came to Canada as a widower was the same John Scott who married Elizabeth Low in Tyrie, Abd. then I am descended from him, as a great-great-granddaughter of his left-behind son George, great-granddaughter of George's son John Watt Scott (m Rebecca Duthie), and granddaughter of George's son John Scott who emigrated to Canada in 1877. My father has living (age 100) first cousins in Pitsligo, Abd and they were only vaguely aware that their uncle lived in Canada and even less aware that an older generation ancestor may have left Scotland 80 years before that.
It appears that the children left behind, namely George, William and Jane lived together Greenburn, Tyrie with Jane being old enough to be a surrogate mother to these two younger sons, but also with a maternal grandmother and an widowed aunt (m to Alexander Connon). Jane had an illegitimate daugher by druggist John Middleton but she never married and had no other children.
Although I am unable to find the birth or baptism record for George, I do have his death certificate in which his parents are shown as John Scott and Lizzie Low. In that record John is noted as having been a "militiaman".
I would be very pleased to correspond further with you to establish these speculations.
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Hello.
At last, a contact. My husband, Jim, is descended from the other 2 brothers, Charles and William. Jim's great great grandparents were full cousins.
Can we go to email. We would love to hear more of the Pitsligo Scotts. I have a lot of information about the John Scotss ( father and son,) who emigrated, including old and new photgraphs of the houses that they built, ( still standing) Especially pleased to have an old photo of John Senior himself.
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Looking forward to hearing from you.
Lib
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Hi Lib,
I am descended from Charles Scott and Elizabeth Robb so guess I am another relation .Have just learned Charles parents from my cousin. I had Charles parents wrong for years :( :-[ Oh dear, but anyway looks as though it is on the right track now. I am in NZ. I had it all right from Charles and Elizabeth Robb down though. :)
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I just thought I’d tell you about my links with New Pitsligo- I was born in Aberdeen and have lived in England since 1972, but Aberdeenshire will always be 'hame.'
We have links with John Scott, who may well be a relative of John/Elizabeth? My great-great gran was called Isabella Mutch- she was born in New Pitsligo in 1853, and had three children I know of- Nathaniel Mutch, born in 1881 at 73 Low Street, Margaret Cecilia Ann Rennie Mutch, born 1878 at 49 Low Street, and Alexander Mutch, born in 54 Low Street in 1885. All were illegitimate, but I think paternity of Alec was later proved in Court...
Isabella’ s parents, from New Pitsligo, were Alexander Mutch, a ploughman, and Ann Clark.
Isabella later married a farm labourer, John Scott, in 1890. Their address was given as 81 Low Street. She was 12 years his senior.
In the 1891 census, Isabella and John Scott were at 27 High Street. Also there were Isabella's children Margaret , (aged 12) and Alexander. (6). Nathaniel was at the Oakbank Industrial School in Aberdeen but later returned to New Pitsligo, only to die in the great War in 1916.
Isabella died at 8 High Street in 1938, aged 85. I would love to know who Nathaniel’s father was, as this would be our correct lineage- Nathaniel had his mum’s name, Mutch. Not sure when John Scott died as haven't got that far yet!
If any further light could be thrown on any of the above, would love to hear from anyone.
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Hi Sandie.
I found the paternity of Nathaniel Mutch, on the 16 Jun 1882. He was William Hepburn, labourer in Pitsligo. I presume that Isabella had no children with John Scott.
Regards.
Lib
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That's great- how did you find out who Nathaniel's dad was Lib? And what is the significance of the 16th June 1882 date? Do you have any other information about William Hepburn, as he was my great-great grandad- I suppose that makes me a Hepburn really, not a Mutch- strange thought!
I will have to request to look at your tree at Genes Reunited. I don't think Isabella and John had children together.
Kind regards,
Sandie Mutch.
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Hi, I read your post with interest as I too have Scott,Hepburn & Mutch lines in my research. I note that your Isabella named her son after her brother Nathanael Rennie Mutch born 2 May 1867, Lonmay. I found this out on the Mutch website. Please see the link below.
Regards,
flst
www.mutches.com/fl.php?fl=A019
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Hi Sandie, I'd a quick look through my notes on Hepburns. I have a William Hepburn,born 1834 in Gamrie, who was a farm servant. I have not followed him through the censuses but will look for him in 1881 to see if he was in the vicinity of New Pitsligo. Did you manage to get a birth certificate for Nathaniel? I'm wondering if his paternity details (that Lib posted) were from a RCE.
I did find a William Hepburn in the 1881 census. He was a farm labourer boarding at 33 Low Street, New Pitsligo, aged 20,( & also born in New Pitsligo). This rules out my relative who's nowhere to be seen! A pity we've no proof this is Nathaniel's father. Unless,of course, the same address is on a paternity claim.
Regards,
flst
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Thanks fslt- I didn't know who Nathaniel was nemed after, so that's interesting.
The info re: N's paternity was from and RCE- I don't have any info either than name and job- although maybe I need to have a closer look if you think the address may be on there- it's not a very clear copy. I have a feeling it was the 20 year old living in 33 Low Street as Isabella was living up the road at the same time- she was several years older than him, and it seems she liked younger men as she later married John Scott, also several years younger.!..so I don't think it was the other WH, who would have been much older, but I don't want to start following any line until I know for sure.
I'll keep digging and see if I come up with a definite- I may have to rely upon local gossip, and hope that the gossip has somehow survived with an older person still around.
I'm guessing John Scott was related to the other NP Scotts, but still looking into to that.
I'll have a look at the Mutch website as I didn't know about it.
Let me know if anything else comes up that may help me in my search for N's dad.
Many thanks for your replies,
Sandie.
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Who were John Scott's parents? I'm assuming that you have his marriage certificate.
flst
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Hi, I read your post with interest as I too have Scott,Hepburn & Mutch lines in my research. I note that your Isabella named her son after her brother Nathanael Rennie Mutch born 2 May 1867, Lonmay. I found this out on the Mutch website. Please see the link below.
Regards,
flst
www.mutches.com/fl.php?fl=A019
You gave me the really helpful info/Mutch website some time ago- I am confident this is the family I am researching but was wondering why Isabella isn't listed as a child of Alexander and Ann on the link you gave me..any ideas?
Kind regards,
Sandie Mutch.
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On the link it states that the information came from the I.G.I. Is Isabella on it? Perhaps her father's name wasn't mentioned & the compiler would not have known which Mutch family to connect her to. You can email the webmaster with the information you have on her & he will be pleased to update the records on the Mutch website!
Regards,
flst
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Many thanks- will update the webmaster.
Sandra.
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Who were John Scott's parents? I'm assuming that you have his marriage certificate.
flst
Hi, do you have this information yet?
regards,
flst.
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I do- many thanks. (Although John's dad is 'reputed' I think I'll go with that- James Scott/Jane McKenzie.)
However, still stuck on if the labourer lodging at 33 Low St in the 1881 census was my g. granda's dad...it says he was born in NP but there are no WH's listed at being born there 20 years or so previously- but there is one born in Pitsligo which would pretty much fit...the other 2 WH's in NP in 1881 were in their 70's, and 12, so I think I can rule them out!
I hope that someone has some family secret/folklore that will confirm Nath's paternity as I suspect this is the only way I can be certain!
Kind regards,
Sandie.
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Hi Sandie,
John Scott, reputed son of James Scott and Jane McKenzie, is my Great Grandmother, Annie Scott's twin brother. I recognised the address in New Pitsligo and the children Maggie Rennie and Alexander Mutch.
Fruitcake
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That's interesting- thanks for your message.
Do you live in the area? I come back to Aberdeen a lot, and have been up to NP a few times and seen the houses where my family lived- some are still there.
I'm still trying to find out for certain who Nathaniel's birth dad was- I know it was William Hepburn, but haven't got a definite so I can continue to trace our paternal line.
Maggie and Alexander were also illegitimate- not sure who their dad's were but Alec has an RCE next to his entry so will have to try to get a read of that some time.
Kind regards,
Sandie Mutch.
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Hello,
I believe I'm the seventh generation Scott. My 2nd cousin Diane Scott traced the Scotts back to 1775, Tyrie, Aberdeen Scotland.
I attached the first 1 page of my geneology book that matches the discussion in this post.
We are planning a trip to Scotland and Ireland next year and thought it would be awesome to actually find family when we cross the Ocean. I found this website and fund this thread about these particular Scotts.
I have the Scotts geneology book 1775 to 2005 if anyone is intersted in having it.
My question now is...Did the Scotts originally come from Ireland? The Census records them as being of Irish decent..?
Hopefully family,
Brandy Jackson
California, USA
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Hello,
Please let know if the attachment doesn't open. I will email the Geneology to further concrete the relationship.
Thank you,
Brandy
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That's interesting! Will have a look into this.
I was actually in California for a wedding/visiting friends last December!
I would definitely recommend visiting Aberdeen, New Pitsligo and around Braemar/Linn of Dee when in Scotland, to name but a few wonderful places in Aberdeenshire. In NP there is a fabulous cafe at the old Bus Station too...and definitely worth looking round the main cemetery on the hill, and the Episcopalian one.
Kind regards,
Sandie.
(Zucchi Mutch.)
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I have just found this site. As a descendent of the above, I would be interested to contact Lib
Regensburg2
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Hi & welcome to rootschat. Lib has not been on this site since July 2010. Hopefully your interest in this post will be noticed by Lib. Once you have made 3 posts you will be able to contact people via private message (pm). Regards,
flst
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As a descendant of John Scott (Sen) I would like to know if anybody has a picture of him. My family still has members in Aberdeenshire. We did not know that a picture existed.
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I learnt this weekend that John Scott is my 4 x great grandfather on my mother's side, as follows down to my Grandfather, Lewis:
John Scott --> William Scott --> William Watt Scott --> Alexander Scott --> Lewis Beddie Scott
I'd love to get it touch with any other of John's descendants, especially if they are through William. Continuing the family theme of emigrating, I now live in Virginia and get home to Scotland only every other couple of years.