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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Antrim => Ireland => Antrim Completed Look up Requests => Topic started by: seidkona on Thursday 10 July 08 17:08 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I have McLaughlins in my family, and Russells and McKays, from the Craigs/Cullybackey area. In the Griffiths Valuations index I've found the following entries with the spelling 'Mc Loughlin':
Surname First Name Townland Parish County
Mc Loughlin William Craigs Craigs Antrim
Mc Loughlin Robert Craigs Craigs Antrim
And several for Russell including
Russell Anne Craigs Craigs Antrim
Russell Adam Craigs Craigs Antrim
Russell James Dreen Craigs Antrim
And one for McKay:
Mc Kay Eliza Craigs Craigs Antrim
While I don't know if either of these are 'my' McLaughlins etc, it's possible. A Robert McLaughlin moved with his family to Scotland, at some point before 1871, and I've various bits of information on the family from then on, the other names coming from his death certificate and that of his wife Elizabeth Russell. (His daughter Elizabeth was my g-grandmother.)
Is there any kind soul, please, who can help with this one?
Jenny
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Remants of 1851 census for Craigs here:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/s_steffensen/Census_Files/1851Craigs.txt
#198 there's an Easter McLaughlin in household
#242 Margaret Russel and son Edmund
See website for full details. Could only find the two entries with those surnames but you might want to check through whole page in case I missed any there.
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Thanks greatly for the census fragments link. It's quite possible that the 'Easter McLaughlin', servant, or the household of Margaret Russel and her son, may be related to my people. It is such a great pity - as so many people have said before me! - that so little remains of the censuses, and even what we have is fragmentary. And of course 'my' ones could have been in Craigs, Dreen, Cullybackey...
What I suspect is that they were scattered across the three areas but that they were split between Presbyterian and (just maybe) Catholic families. Cullybackey had the Presbyterian church (still does!) and Craigs the official CoI one, hence the name of the parish which extends more broadly. I was visiting there in the pouring rain last month, on my way from Derry to the Larne ferry, and got a few photos.
Even the wee bit of census gives a sense of the area - farming and linen weaving. Cullybackey was a centre for the making of linen shirts... And from my lot, Andrew Russell, the father of Elizabeth who married Robert McLaughlin around 1835, was a bleachfield labourer.
Thanks again. I'll hope that somebody has access to the GV and can let me know the details from that, of rateable values etc, which may help to give an idea further to this.
Jenny
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Looks like William and Robert of Craigs were on the same piece of land, and in adjacent properties on map being 127/2/29 and 30. Robert having 30 perches and paying rates of 5 shillings for the land and 1 old pound for the building, whilst William paid only for buildings as he had a small gardemn. Payment being 1 old pound.
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At same piece of land as above were Anne Russell of Craigs at 127/2/19 being House, Office and garden. 10 perces. Rates land = 5 shillings, buildings 15 shillings. Adam Russell of Craigs at 127/2/27 being House and garden. 1 rood. Rates land = 7 shillings, buildings = 18 shillings.
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Eliza M'Kay was at 51/c. House only. Rates buildings = 10 shillings.
James Russell of Dreen was on 4/b. House only. Rates buildings = 1 old pound.
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Hi - I don't suppose you have access to the map? I've been trying to pursue that but having no luck there.
I do think that maybe the Russells there may be related to the Elizabeth Russell who was married to Robert McLoughlin/McLaughlin and so who wouldn't be in the valuation.
Thanks greatly for this,
Jenny
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Sorry, no. I do know that Ballymena Local Studies dept hold maps. You can contact them via email at this link:
http://www.familia.org.uk/services/ni/northeast.html
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Did your Robert McLaughlin have any children after arriving in Scotland. If yes, birth certificate should give place of marriage for Robert if you do not already have same.
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No - all the children were born in Ireland. I have the death records of Elizabeth and Robert, and these give their own parents' names, but no places alas. It's in large part thanks to these records that I have as much as I do.
The other family names were McAloney and McKay.. the 'Eliza McKay' is interesting, as I'm wondering if she could be widowed. I don't know if widows reverted to their birth name, as many Scottish ones did.
Jenny
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In Ireland widows were almost always known by their husband's surname not their maiden name.
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OK - in Scotland they might or might not be known by the husband's name, and of course the age at which they were widowed and length of time married would be a factor here. But the legal name in Scotland remained the birth name. Thanks - I'm posting in order to learn.
So this Eliza McKay would probably have been somebody else - maybe somebody else related, but not 'my' Eliza. McKay who married James McLaughlin and became the mother of Robert.
Jenny
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I have just come across this as I have been looking into family links to Cullybacky. This William McLoughlin was my GGgrandfather and Robert McLoughlin was one of his sons. I had the names and the location Hillmount/Craigs from my maternal grandmother.She grew up there although she was born in Glasgow. There seems to have been a lot of coming & going to Scotland.
The family were CoI and the Craigs Parish Church records, which are all on the excellent Cullybacky Hist. Soc website, have filled in quite a bit of detail on births, deaths and marriages.
However, the church records begin in the 1840's and I haven't yet been able to get back earlier than this - also I haven't seen anything on a Russell connection.
I would be interested in any suggestions for further research.
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This William McLoughlin was my GGgrandfather and Robert McLoughlin was one of his sons.
Fascinated! Thanks for posting this! I see on the Craigs parish church burials William, in Hillmount, aged 70 buried 07/01/1886, putting his birth around 1815. My Robert would have been, I think, his brother, born around 1817 from his death record in Scotland. The Robert in the GV could be either William's brother or William's son - I'm thinking brother, as my Robert didn't come to Scotland until the 1860s.
I've been to the Cullybackey pages a few times but there's more material on there now, so thanks again. I have now almost all of births/baptisms of siblings of my Elizabeth (born 1851), daughter to Robert McLaughlin and Elizabeth Russell. They were baptised in the Cullybackey Presbyterian church. There's a gap in the baptisms from 1843-48, which may be a glitch in uploading or an actual gap, and the birth of her brother Robert (later a coppersmith in Greenock) would be in that gap.
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There is also (from the Craigs burial records) a James McGlaughlin aged 64 buried in 1847, who may be the father of my Robert.
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Aylerie, do you know if any descendants of your William have done a DNA test? It would be good to se if there is a connection. I've tested with Ancestry, both my brother and I with FTDNA, and there's cousins likewise descended from Robert who've tested with Ancestry also and uploaded to gedmatch.com.
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However, the church records begin in the 1840's and I haven't yet been able to get back earlier than this - also I haven't seen anything on a Russell connection.
I would be interested in any suggestions for further research.
Craigs parish was only created in about 1836. Population expansion in the area led to it being hived off from Ahoghill parish. So for earlier births etc you need to search Ahoghill Church of Ireland records.
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Prompted by your reference to James McLoughlin, aged 64 buried in 1847 I revisited the Craigs church records. I see there is also a Betty (Elizabeth) McLoughlin, aged 70 buried in 1848, so it looks as though these may be William's ( and Robert's) father and mother - both of whom you have information on from Robert's Scottish death certificate. The name Elizabeth carried down both sides to the next generation because my GGgrandmother (William's eldest daughter, dob 1850) was also called Elizabeth.
From my reading of the church records there seems to have been only the one McLoughlin family in the CoI congregation.I know from my grandmother that they lived at Hillmount. The Robert mentioned in the Griffeth's Valuation is William's second son, with whom she lived as a child.There is a grave marking his family plot in Craig's churchyard.
I was aware there were other McLoughlins in the Presbyterian records but, until your reply, couldn't see any link to them. I will now have a more careful look through these.
I can also try to follow up on the very helpful information from Elwyn Soutter pointing to the earlier Ahoghill church records.
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Welcome to RootsChat, aylerie :)
Have you seen this website and particularly the townland of Craigs?
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-lower/craigs/craigs/
Hillmount road is the first stage of the B83/Dunminning road from its intersection with Craigs road.
KG
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Hillmount was, I think, an area near Cullybackey based around the bleach green & mills-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p063dz8v
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I likewise saw Betty McLoughlin's burial, but was thinking she might be a little too old to be Robert's mother - unless of course that age at burial is wrong (or wrongly transcribed), which does sometimes happen...
I've been out with a visitor for most of this week - will now get back to genealogy! :)
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Just to add, regarding the info about Hillmount and the bleach green, Andrew Russell, the father of Elizabeth Russell who was married to Robert McLaughlin in 1835, was a bleachfield labourer.
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Any access to these Ahoghill records (which seem to start from around 1811) may be very helpful! Alas, I'm not finding anything online, only the PRONI Ref. numbers for Church of Ireland records which are MIC583/9; CR/1/90.
Does anybody know if these are available via rootsireland.ie? If they were, I could take out a short-term subscription but I've been stung by that in the past!
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Answering my own query: from the Anglican Record Project website https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/rcb-library/online-parish-records it seems that the records are available only from PRONI.
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Answering my own query: from the Anglican Record Project website https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/rcb-library/online-parish-records it seems that the records are available only from PRONI.
Yes I think that's correct.