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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: CarolynWinterburn on Thursday 10 July 08 11:39 BST (UK)
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Hi,
This was transcribed wrongly in Ancestry. Can anyone tell me what it is please.
Thanks Carolyn
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First choice -- Ballylangley (sub. ie at end) with lower part of 'g' feint in ink or missing. Co.Cork.
Second choice - Ballybailie, Co.Louth --the dot of the first 'i' being very low.
I'm sure you will get other possibilities :) Something perhaps more obvious, but at the moment I can't see anything.
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I don't think Ballylangley as there is no indication of any part of a lower loop for the "g." Ballybailie seems more likely. The final three letters seem to be "lie" or "lis," there must be a letter after the "i" as there would be no Irish placenames ending in "i."
It would be good to compare this to other handwriting samples by the same person, to see how they formed the letters b, l, h and k elsewhere.
If I wasn't trying to figure this out and match it to actual placenames, I would think it reads Ballybrolis, but there is no such place.
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Hi,
Here's the whole thing. It's the 1st entry
Carolyn
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The first thing I thought of was - Ballyhoolie = Ballyhooly
mab
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Hi, That looks a good possibility
Thanks
Carolyn
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Gosh are they not dreadfull things to try decode - Nipy
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Not sure if this helps, but if you check the distribution of the surnames Noon and Noone at http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/ they were most common in counties Galway, Mayo and Roscommon.
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In Cork there is Ballyvolane and Ballypheane where was the census taken as i have access to S&N i also have all the census for london and quite a few from other area's i also have a map of Cork
Rita
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Hi,
The census was taken in Ramsey Huntingdonshire.
Here is the entry for the previous 1861 census....just as bad. It was transcribed as Mayo
and the whole page to compare.
Thanks for all the suggestions
Carolyn
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I think that last one says: Ireland, Mayo
See the entry 4th line from the bottom, it's a bit less squashed but seems to contain the same pen strokes.
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On the 1871 census on British Origins the place for Matthew Moon birth is Bally leace lei i don't know if this is any help on the 1861 it just say's Co Mayo
Rita
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I'd suggest searching Griffith's Valuation in County Mayo for the surname Noon. Usually you can search at http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/lrgrif.html but that seems to be down today.
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There is also this site.
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
mab
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Could the 'lei' be Leitrim?
As seen on this site there are many 'Bally' towns
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Could the spelling be BALLYHOOLIE
There is a town in Tipperary named BALLYHOOLY
Its worth a try
good luck
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Could it perhaps be Ballyhaunis. I do hope you manage to solve your puzzle.
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Hi Donny,
I think that's a likely bet. We have to realise these words are spoken with an Irish accent and probably they couldn't read or write so it could have sounded like Ballyhaunlis. I just need to find the rcords for that area to check if the name Noon is there.
Thanks to everyone who has tried to help.
Carolyn
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Hi Carolyn,
There is only one letter difference between Ballyhaunis and Ballyhaulis (which is what your scan looks like to me), so I think Ballyhaunis worth considering.
And just to add, people often gave their nearest town so your Noone's may have been from one of the surrounding townlands rather then the town itself.
Best of luck with your search,
Donny
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Hi,
Thanks to you all . I have found them in Bekan, near Ballyhaunis, Co Mayo, ( Donny gets the prize).
I was looking for Matthew but it seems his name was Patrick, as it was on one of the census. He married Bridget Waldron in 1833 in Bekan.
I appreciate all your efforts
Kind regards
Carolyn
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My guess is Ballyhooley (Co. Cork). I take it this is an English census? Going back that far, chances are the enumerator rather than the householder had to fill it in. Often working in overcrowded and dimly-lit conditions and faced with the prospect of listing such a large household, I don't suppose his priority was to write down an Irish place name so that people well over a century later could read it. If the householder himself filled it in, it's possible he didn't know how to spell the place name. Not so long ago, I was in Killane, Co. Wexford (famous for the song "Kelly the Boy from Killane"). In the village, there were two official signs with two different spellings of Killane.
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I am delighted you found your family Carolyn. Thanks for letting us know and the best of luck with the rest of your search. Donny.