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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: kingskerswell on Wednesday 09 July 08 17:37 BST (UK)
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I am looking for any information, especially his marriage, on Isaac Irwin. He was born 1815 and was farming in Drumaduff in the Griffiths Valuation. He died 17 Nov 1890 and is buried in Dungiven Parish Churchyard.
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I am looking for any information, especially his marriage, on Isaac Irwin. He was born 1815 and was farming in Drumaduff in the Griffiths Valuation. He died 17 Nov 1890 and is buried in Dungiven Parish Churchyard.
Hello kingskerswell,
Have you had a look through the Church records for further information ???
Christopher
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It would help to know what religion the Irwin family were before checking the church records. Many Presbyterians were buried in Church of Ireland graveyards as well as members of the Church of Ireland and often the names of Presbyterians were not included in the burial register.
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Christopher, Aghadowey,
Many thanks for your replies. Yes I have checked church records, both C of I and Presbyterian, in the Dungiven and Limavady areas to no avail. Isaac Irwin was a Presbyterian and finding his "wife" has become a problem. I originally posted more in hope than expectation.
Regards
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It looks as though you've done the easy part ... found Isaac and his year of birth as well as his occupation, date of death and place of burial.
Now you're attempting to find his wife about whom very little is known.
Is Isaac your direct line .. a ggg or gg grandfather for instance .. or related another way.
A lost or missing wife story in the local paper might attract some attention.
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Christopher,
Isaac is not in my direct line. He is my Ggrandmother's brother but I am in contact with a distant cousin in the U.S. who is a direct descendant. I have also done some of the more difficult work and from what I have found leads me to think that Isaac was not married to his childrens' mother. She appears to have cared for them up until her death in 1884 and then their father took them in. This is based on a school move of the younger child from a school in Aghanloo to a school in Drumneecy, close to Drumaduff, in 1885.
However, thank you for your interest.
Regards
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Hello Kingskerswell
Your search for Isaac Irwin and Elizabeth Irwin/Smith? are you connected to Foster, who is also searching along these lines. regards Belfast Beau.
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Hi Beau,
Yes, Foster is a not too distant cousin and we are in regular contact. Do you have a connection?
Regards
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Hi Kingskerswell.
Sorry unable to help like yourself I have been been in touch with Foster on a regular basis lately tracing my Irwin family. I have to say he has been a generous source of information and to try to repay his generosity, I agreed to pass on any info that I came across. I was going to forward your search request to him but when I read through your replies and seen the mention of the American cousin, I thought I'd better check with you first. If you are in touch with him soon send him my good wishes. regards. Belfast Beau.
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Hi Beau,
I will PM you.
Regards
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I have a query which Kingskerswell and/or Belfast Beau might be able to help me with, as both seem to be descendants of Isaac Irwin, or actively involved in tracing that line.
I recently saw the name Edward Augustus IRWIN. He was the son of Isaac Irwin, and Elizabeth, who I gather was not his wife and, if her 1884 death certificate is correct, seems to have had Irwin as her maiden name, and died a Spinster.
My interest was piqued at the name, as I have been researching an Edward Augustus FERGUSON (1837-1918) only child of William King Ferguson (1762-1839) and Ellen Jane Osborne (1818-1896). Ellen was much younger than her husband, remarried about a year after William's death, emigrated to Australia and had a large family with her new, much younger, husband, H J Montgomery. She left her infant son behind in Limavady (presumably with a family member) and he later emigrated to Australia, when he was 14/15. In 1868, Edward named his first child William Irvine Twine Ferguson (born in Australia). I am wondering if the Irvine might actually be a reference to an Irwin somewhere in the family tree, given that I've seen Irwin, Irwine, Erwin, Irvine etc all used interchangeably in old records for Irwins in Limavady. As Ellen Jane Osborne's parents were Joshua Osborne and Nancy Sproule, I'm not sure where the Irvine/Irwin comes from. Unfortunately, I don't know the names of William King Fergusons parents, or the children of his first marriage, to check if there is an Irwin connection there.
I suspect William King Ferguson had other children by his first wife, but I have not yet been able to prove it. In 1831, before he was married to Ellen Osborne, the census has him as a head of household at Catherine Street, Limavady. The household consisted of two families, made up of 4 males, 2 females and 1 female servant. It's possible he was not related to the others in the house, but I suspect they may have included children of his first marriage, possibly with spouses and children.
I know having the same Christian names might be a complete co-incidence, especially given that Prince Edward Augustus, Duke of Kent (1767-1820) was a son of George III and the father of Queen Victoria. However, I just had a hunch there might be a connection, and thought I'd see if I could prove/disprove the theory.
Grateful for any help/suggestions.
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Hello Fiona, the name association is certainly worth persuing and Kingerswell is a font of knowledge around the County of Londonderry. Do the names Dill, Shannon, Gamble or Conn appear in your Cochrane of Coleraine heritage?
cheers
Jack Gee
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Thanks for the reply, Jack.
I don't have any of those surnames in my Coleraine Cochrane research so far. I haven't got too far with that particular line, as my husband's Cochrane great-grandfather was born illegitimate in 1879, and I'm finding it hard to trace his mother's people without a marriage certificate to show who her father was. When I get a chance, I'll probably do a single surname project on that area, as that often provides new leads. I did that for his other (McAfee) side, with great results.
I've now been told that William Irvine Twine Ferguson may have got the Irvine middle name from the minister who married his parents in Australia, Rev Joseph Irvine Knipe. I've had a few ancestors with middle names from Ministers, so it seems a plausible explanation. I would still like to follow up on the Edward Augustus name though, so can see lost more work ahead, trying to wade through the pea soup of Irwins around Limavady and Dungiven. I thought my Fergusons were confusing, but I think the Irwins are even more so …
All the best,
Fiona
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Hi Fiona,
i hope Kingerswell comes on board to assist.
You are right about the pea soup of names in Northern Ireland as a whole.
I am trying to research the Shannon family of Limavady and Coleraine.
My lines of information have dried up so i am working thru the spousal names and those with close associations with the known area of the Shannons. the irwin connection is thru a couple of spousal names and there are plenty of them on the ground. My Cochrane is also one of the spousal names - same issue. if any Shannon crosses your genie journey from this area please drop me a PM.
This is the frustration part of the genie game. keep perservering and things happy [or the hardy i try the luckier i get!].
Cheers
Jack.
My other surnames of interest in this thread are - Fulton, Moody, Oliver, hopkins, McCloy, Patton, Young, Haslett, Moore, Mahood, Wilson.
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Fiona, the best of luck trying to wade through the Irwin families in the Dungiven area.. A little bit of help - Edward Agustus Irwin was a grandson of my great grandfather, George Stewart, via his daughter Mary Stewart. Isaac Irwin, the father of an illigitimate son and daughter, was my great grandfather's brother in law. However I cannot help with the origin of the names "Edward Agustus". If you have any queries in this area I will be glad to help.
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Jack Gee, I see you are looking for Hasletts in the Dungiven area. I have a lot of info on the Drumneechy and Straw Hasletts as I am descended from them. Contact me if you think I can help.
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Thanks Kingerswell, your offer is gratefully accepted. Excel table sent with email.
cheers
jack Gee
Please PM if not received.
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I also know that Mary Irwin married Edward Smith (a farmer in Drumaduff) and they had 7 - 8 children from the late 1840s (early 1850s onwards) as I am researching this line.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
I also know that Mary Irwin married Edward Smith (a farmer in Drumaduff) and they had 7 - 8 children from the late 1840s (early 1850s onwards) as I am researching this line.
This is the townland of Drumaduff in Bovevagh Civil Parish.
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/keenaght/bovevagh/drumaduff/
Good luck
KG
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Hey, thanks very much.