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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: CB on Saturday 05 July 08 23:01 BST (UK)
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I need help to tryand find birth details of Isabella Hogg.
Said to have been born Mickley 1877.
No father details seem to have been recorded, her mother is believed to be Ellen or Eleanor Hogg.
CB.
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CB
When you say that no father's details have been recorded, are you referring to the birth certificate? I have checked the 1881 census and there is a 4 year old Isabella Hogg living in Eltringham Colliery whose birth place is given as Mickley. She is living with what would appear to be her mother - Mary J Hogg, age 23, unmarried, outdoor work (ag lab), born Scotland - and her grandmother - Mary A Hogg, age 50, widow, outdoor worker, born in Birtley, Northumberland.
Mickley would then have been in Hexham Registration District and there is a birth recorded in the September 1876 quarter in Hexham under reference 10b 294. This would put Isabella's birth at 4 at the time of the census and consistent with the above information. The fact that her mother was unmarried will probably reveal that no father's name was recorded on the birth certificate but you will need to order the certificate to find that out for sure.
Regards
Gordon
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Hi CB,
The 1891 census (will give you full details if you don't already have them) gives Isabella as step-daughter of Robert Johnson wife Ellen, is that where you got Ellen's name from? In that case, maybe the Mary in 1881 is her aunt, and her mother is away from home
Will have a look for her
Barbara
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Have just looked at the 1881, and daughter Ellen is actually there with her mother Mary A. Hogg, she's over the page, married, with husband Andrew Grant!
her marriage reg: Dec 1880 Hexham 10b 410
GRANT Andrew HOGG Ellen
She must then have married Robert Johnson. The possibility is that either Mary J or Ellen was Isabella's mother, both would be single at the time of Isabella's birth, but it seems more likely that it was Ellen as Isabella is Robert's stepdaughter on the 1891 census
Will post full census details shortly
Barbara
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1871 census:
RG10 5145 fol.88 p.3
18 Market Street, Hexham
Nathaniel HOGG head m 59 Mason's Labourer Ireland
Mary Ann " wife m 41 Northumberland Birtley
Mary Jane " dau 13 Scholar Scotland
Ellen " " 11 " Northumberland Scotswood
Elizabeth " " 1 " "
1881 census:
RG11/5101 Folio 131 Page 39/40
Ettringham Colliery, Mickley, Hexham
Mary A HOGG head wid 50 Out Door Worker Ag. Lab Birtley
Mary J " dau s 23 " " Scotland
Isabella " grand.dau 4 Mickley
Andrew HARRIS adopted son 12 Scholar Hexham
Thomas NELSON boarder s 40 Coal Miner Durham Pitz Mine?
Andrew GRANT son.in.law m 26 Coal Miner Durham Sunnyside
Ellen " dau m 20 Domestic Servant Northumberland Newcastle
1891 census:
RG12/4245 Folio 81 Page 32
Private House, The Hagg Village, Prudhoe Castle, Hexham
Robert Johnson head m 34 Coal Miner Belford
Ellen Johnson wife m 30 Newcastle
Isabella Hogg step.dau 14 Mickley
George A Johnson son 9 Bedlington
Nathaniel Johnson " 4 Ovingham
Elizabeth Johnson dau 9months Bothal
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Adam Johnson head m 33 Coal Miner Belford
Emily " wife m 22 Devonshire
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It will be interesting to see what Isabella's birth cert gives for her parents, Gordon has given you the GRO reference number, please would you come back and post the details when you get the cert, so we know the answer!
Kind regards, Barbara
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1861 census has her as Eleanor and there's another daughter Margaret
1861 RG9 Piece 3815 Folio 135 Page 25
28½ Bath Terrace, Elswick, Newcastle
Nathaniel Hogg head m 44 Labourer Ireland
Mary A Hogg wife m 33 Birtley
Margaret Hogg dau 10 Scholar Gateshead
Mary J Hogg " 3 Scotland
Eleanor Hogg " 1 Newcastle
Jane Moor visitor w 40 Ireland
Margaret married James Pemberton Jun 1866 Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 157
They also had a daughter called Isabella, born Jun qu 1878 - that must have been a bit confusing for the family!
Barbara
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Thank you very much Barbara, i am sure this is the correct family but i will now obtain Isabellas birth cert to confirm Ellen as the mother. If so then i have a large amount of information to develop.
Regards,
Chris
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Hi Chris,
Please would you come back and post what you find from the cert? It's always nice to know if the information was right or if we need to start again :)
Barbara
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Barbara & Gordon,
Thanks very much for your help on this. Turns out dollydimples, has a copy of Isabellas birth cert! Born 1876 Mickley Sq, Mickley.
As suspected no father named but mother was Ellen. Now about to send for Ellen birth cert.
;D