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Family rumour had it that my grandfather's half sister emigrated to Canada and possibly subsequently moved to the US. Thanks now to the on line records on Ancestry.com and Ancestry.ca I have been able to piece together some of her story. There are still many queries but I would like to find her death with doesn't appear to be on the US SS Death Index.
I believe she finally settled in Worcester, Mass. as I have a border crossing entry for one of her sons from Canada in 1943 which quotes emergency parole. She would have been 72 at the time so perhaps her death was around this time.
Name - Honor Elizabeth Tingman nee Ward born Hertfordshire, England 1871, married in Toronto in 1890, husband died in 1909 and she would appear from one of her sons attestation papers to have been in New York prior to 1914.
Any help greatly appreciated
Thanks
Denise
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There would not be an SSDI in 1943. That started much later. In this case, it might help to start with the sons and work backward from there. If you find one of the sons on the SSDI, you can try to get his obit from the local public library and find either living relatives, or some hint of when or where his mom died. It could be a long shot, but worth the effort.
Kath
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Hi Kath,
Thanks for that. I thought as much. I have found three SSDIs on Ancestry for two sons and, the other I think is a grandson. They actually seem quite costly to me do you actually know what sort of information they contain. Also, as I am in the UK, could you take a moment to explain the obituaries/how your local public library system works.
Years of experience with UK research but still learning on all this overseas stuff.
Thanks for your help.
Cheers
Denise
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No problem. I have never ordered the SS forms. I always start with the obits. If the SSDI lists the town they were living in, which sometimes it does, I find the library online by googling "name of town public library." More often than not they have websites these days. I then send off an email:
"I was wondering what the procedure for obtaining obituaries is. I am looking for the obituary for John Smith, who died on 9 July 1922 in your town."
Most often, they will send the obit to me via email. If you need any help finding a library let me know.
Kath
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I ordered a copy of the Social Security Application of my great aunt, before the huge price increase. The date of the application is April 7, 1942 and asks for the following information:
1. Given name, middle name, last name
2. address 3. full name given at birth
4. age 5. date of birth 6. place of birth
7. father's full name 8. mother's full name
9. sex 10. race 11. ever before applied for
(a) Social Security Account
(b) Railroad Retirement Account
12. business name and address of employer
13. date signed 14. name as usually written
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Thanks Kath and genealiza. Doesn't look like I will find any more info on a SS application, if there is one, that I dont already know. Kath I will goggle the public library in Worcester, Matt ss I think Honor and at least one of her sons died there.
Many thanks
Denise
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There are a lot of Worcester city directories on Ancestry.com (nearly every year from 1909 to 1965) , and I didn't find a Tingman in any of them, nor an Honor Tingman or Elizabeth Tingman in any of the Massachusetts directories available there. Is there any chance she remarried?
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Hi shellyesq
I originally thought perhaps she might have but the manifest I have for her son William Earl Tingman dated Jun 1943 is for Buffalo Crossing NY and states his destination as mother, Mrs Eliz Tingman, 43 Carol/Canal St, Worcester. She would have been 72 then so unless she married later I not think it is likely.
May I ask if you came across any other Tingmans. Another son Cecil Hamilton died Mass May 1970.
Thanks for all your help.
Cheers
Denise
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The Massachusetts Death Index says that Cecil died 17 May 1970 in Worcester.
There's a record from the Quebec Anglican Cathedral Holy Trinity Church for the birth of Cecil, born 26 Sep 1900 and baptized 15 Nov 1900, in case you don't have that.
There seem to be a few Tingmans in Waltham, Massachusetts - names include Albert, Hilda, Ruth, Agnes, Esther, and Ethel. Looks like they came from Sweden, though.
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Thanks for that. I did actually have it. There was a twin brother Keith Alexander.
These Tingmans are proving quite interesting. Have seen those with a Swedish connection but dont think they link up (well not yet anyway!!!) but some here in the UK seem to have gone off to Australia but haven't got that far yet.
This side of my family history had no real story until a while ago when the marriage of Honor was found but now family rumours have been proved and a picture of Honor and her family is beginning to emerge. Now all I need to do is find a living rellie with a photo !!! Some snail mail letters to Canada and US me thinks. Well, eventually.
Thanks for everyone's help
Cheers
Denis
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Good luck Denise. Sounds like a great hunt you are on.
Kath
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Hi there my kindly soles who have responded to my posting today. After a BIG BIG favour. ;D I have not got a subscription to Ancestry.com or Ancestry.ca only co.uk so can only view the basics. Usually access the other two sites at my local library. Cant get there tomorrow and am bursting for some information from the 1901 Canadian census.
Would someone please have a few minutes to look up the following -
William E Eingman
Birth 1894
Residence 1901 Quebec
In the same household should be Verna L, James A, Lelian F, Mabel E, John E, Ward HE Eingman, Keith A and Cecil H. If you could find the district no, name and sub district no then I should be able to access them via collectionscanada, I think.
If someone could be so kind your halo will be polished and shining forever.
Thanks a lot
Denise
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It's District No. 182 Quebec Centre, S. District No. 8, Polling Subdivision No. 4.
I'm not terribly familiar with the Canadian census, particularly in French, so I'm trying to muddle through and figure out what's what. Looks like your people, though.
Eingman, John E., male, color - B (blanc, I presume?), head, married, born 1 Mar 1863, age 38 at last birthday, born England, year of immigration -1890, nationality - Canadian, religion - Protestant
Ward H.E., female, wife, born 18 Mar 1871, age 30 at last birthday, born England, year of immigration -1890, nationality - Canadian, religion - Protestant
Verne L., female, daughter, born 6 July 1891 (?), age 11 at last birthday, born Ontario
James A., male, son, born 4 Sep 1893, age 8 at last birthday, born Ontario
William S., male, son, born 28 Mar 1897, age 7 at last birthday, born Ontario
Lelian F., female, daughter, born 29 Jan (?) 1897, age 4 at last birthday, born Ontario
Mable E., female, daughter, born 14 Sept. 1899, age 2 at last birthday, born Ontario
Keith A., male, garcon (infant?), born 26 Sept. 1900, age 6 months, born Quebec
Cecile H., male, garcon (infant?), born 26 Sept. 1900, age 6 months, born Quebec
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Halo polished and several great big shiny stars too ;D
Was just about ready for my bed as it is getting rather late now but you know what I shall be doing now, dont you.
So grateful for this site and all the wonderful people on it. Shall be eternally grateful.
Thanks a million
Denise
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For future reference the Canadian 1901/1906/1911 are also freely indexed at www.automatedgenealogy.com
You can see her in 1911, I think, as Honorine Tingman, listed as mother-in-law to Joseph Blais (his wife is listed as Ferna, presumably the Verne L listed in 1901). Son William might be also in Quebec as W. Tingman.
Did you know that the marriage of one of her sons (James Havelock Tingman) is in Nova Scotia in 1913? You can see it at www.novascotiagenealogy.com (parents are listed as John and Elizabeth).
http://obit.genacadie.ca/keyword_search_obit.php - if you search here for Tingman, there's an obituary for James (Jim) Tingman, who was born about 1931 in Montreal and was the son of Cecil Tingman.
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Hi Jorose
Thanks for the additional information which certainly has given me some other sites to access. I had actually got Honor on the 1911 and in fact also have her living with the Blais family in New York in 1930. I hadn't found James Havelock's marriage so that is an added bonus but I had found his wife's name from the birth of a daughter and then her death. Sadly she died shortly after the daughter's death, aged 26 years. The James, son of Cecil is also interesting. Guess what I am doing tonite !!
Thanks for all your help and the websites. This is such a great site. Hope I can give something back at some point.
Another halo and stars shining bright.
Thanks again
Cheers
Denise
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Hi Jorose
That obit was really interesting. That takes this line up to 2001 and with sons and grand children I reckon I have a good chance of maybe finding some living rellies.
This has been such an amazing week. Feel like Christmas has come early. All these family tales for years and years and now with everyone's help it is coming together. ;D
Thank you soooooooooooooooooooooooo much.
Cheers
Denise
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Hello Denise,
I'm not sure if you are still tracking this string. I was researching the Tingman Clan and got back to 1785 in Scotland. Along the way I found my great grandmother's (Honor Tingman - Nee Ward) grave site on this post.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/QUEBEC-RESEARCH/2012-11/1353371258.
The dates reported on the stone don't align perfectly with what I had so far but they are very close.
Strange but true our family had a cottage not 15 Mins from the site and we did not know she was resting just down the road.
Take care
Rick