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Looking for a look up of a Roy Hood born c1918/20 in NSW. Parents are George and ADA Ethel Hood.
Thanks.
John
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Hi John
On-line births for NSW stop at 1907. However, if you live in Australia, and can get to a library or Family Research Centre, there are micro-fiche records for NSW Births up to 1919-1920?
Though, some one here may have those records at home?
Les
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Just did a quick bit of searching.
Only found one Roy Hood married in NSW up to 1956.
Roy Henry George Hood m.1938 to Joyce Weir, Sydney.
Found death of Roy Henry George Hood 5/11/1987 aged 68 (b.1919) - Sydney Morning Herald 7/11/1987.
Could be him - correct age, and has middle name of George - after father?
Les
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Les,
Thanks for info. I have ordered Roys marriage cert a couple of days ago. Death ref useful. Got to wait for Roys marriage as I live in the Uk. Hoping someone has births at home from 1907 onwards.
John
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I have ordered Roys marriage cert a couple of days ago. Death ref useful. Got to wait for Roys marriage as I live in the Uk. Hoping someone has births at home from 1907 onwards.
Hi John
A couple of things.
1) How did you order the Marriage Certificate? If direct from the BDM it will be a copy of the original, however, for half the price (good if you want a lot), you can get them from a transcriber, who type up a transcription from the original. There are 3 licensed to do so at NSW BDMs.
2) As you live in UK, and if worse comes to worse, and no-one has a record at home, I can visit my local library and check the NSW births, which I think go to 1919. Not quite sure when I'm going next, however, if need be send a PM in the next couple of days to remind me to go.
Les
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Les usually a Aussie chatter kindly looks up the births to 1918 and I think John is hoping he will notice the request.
Cheers
Cando
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Read your message Cando - thanks.
John
If you are sure Roy Henry George Hood married to Joyce is your man - good news.
Found him in the Army b.7 Jan 1914, next of kin Joyce. Try this site
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/name.asp#searchtabs and enter his name, and it will bring up his details.
Les
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I have the NSW CD which goes to 1918 and I can find no sign of Roy Hood ??? I've looked at every person called Hood born 1914
There are 3 records for him on the national archives - One has been digitised & it says he was born 1915
I will look a little further. Very strange? unless he was born after 1918 - but there doesn't seem alot of reasons to lie. He wasn't too young for WWII.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch.aspx - search as a guest for the archives record.
Might be worth checking Victoria? Maybe he thought he was born in NSW? Or maybe I'm not looking very well. No doubt Bob will appear to check for me
Trish
Edit: I don't see him in 1915 either ???
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Do you have any idea of parent names? Very strange? unless he was born after 1918 - but there doesn't seem alot of reasons to lie. He wasn't too young for WWII.
Trish
It appears parents George and Ada marriage Ref Year is 1914, which might have been a bit too close for comfort for a birth in January, 1914, if you get what I mean :-[
Les
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Well John I think that the you can take that Roy was born in 1919 not the 1915 stated on the WW2 record. I had suggested that John place this request.
Cheers
Cando
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It appears parents George and Ada marriage Ref Year is 1914, which might have been a bit too close for comfort for a birth in January, 1914, if you get what I mean :-[
Les
I would have to agree with Cando - there was no birth 1914 or 1915, so no reason to move the date to 9 months after the wedding Les - looks like it was 5 years later! And if you look at the sequence of the war records, he said 1915 first, and then 1914. (We both probably need to read the other thread :-\ - I am always late to the party :D
Trish
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Just a thought regarding the 1914 birth on his WW2 record and the the possible correct birth of 1919. How about Roy did correctly write "1919" on the enlistment papers, but his ""9" looked like a "4"?
Only a suggestion. His age of 68 in his Death Notice in 1987 indicates birth of 1919.
Les
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It appears parents George and Ada marriage Ref Year is 1914, which might have been a bit too close for comfort for a birth in January, 1914, if you get what I mean :-[
Les
I would have to agree with Cando - there was no birth 1914 or 1915, so no reason to move the date to 9 months after the wedding Les - looks like it was 5 years later! And if you look at the sequence of the war records, he said 1915 first, and then 1914. (We both probably need to read the other thread :-\ - I am always late to the party :D
Trish
Trish - thread too long :(
Cando
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The 1915 is digitised for all to see - but it is probably written by the Army guy, not George. I looked for any siblings 1914 to 1918 and didn't find any. Perhaps they were apart during WWI
Trish
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The 1915 is digitised for all to see - but it is probably written by the Army guy, not George. I looked for any siblings 1914 to 1918 and didn't find any. Trish
Sorry, didn't realise WW2 records were being displayed - know now. :-[
But I have another theory why he may have wanted to be older. If Joyce Hood who died in 2005 late of Croydon (Ryerson Index) is Roy's wife, she was 88 old, making her b.1917. Did he want to be 3 years older than his wife, rather than 3 years younger?
Some people didn't like the husband to be younger than the wife. Just a theory - feel free to "knock it on the head" if you like. :P
Les
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Hi,
I just thought it wise to link in this previous thread of JOHN'S as there was a significant amount of research done on the HOOD FAMILY including ROY therein and it would be silly to have chatters go over old ground.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,311262.0.html
Sue
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For a mere $16.50 you can ask for most records on the archives to be digitised Les. A few years ago it was free :) and I got a number of family WWII records scanned. I have since paid for a few, but keep hoping someone else in the family may get interested ;D The archives had a major project to scan WWI. It started by only scanning on request (so I got a few of those done early as well 8) )
The age difference with his wife could well be a reason - then again maybe not ??? - so this may remain a small mystery as well.
I'm unsure if John is a direct descendant? If so he could ask the NSW registry to search for the record (at a cost, of course)
Trish
Edit: Hello Sue - I think Les and I both realise that, it has been mentioned by Cando, but having been away from chatting for a week I'm in a chatty mood today :D
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Hi All,
Per previous HOOD thread.
He says as informant on his father's certificate he is aged 50 [in 1969] =1919birth.
I find it intriguing that by 1969, Roy had never had to produce a birth certificate for any of his life events!
Sue
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Sue I really hought my suggestion to John to request for a birth lookup away from the long thread to eliminate/validate the date on the WW2 record would give John simple yes or no but it seems this is developing into another long thread :-X I think we are too helpful ;D ;D
Cheers
Cando
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I really hought my suggestion to John to request for a birth lookup away from the long thread to eliminate/validate the date on the WW2 record would give John simple yes or no but it seems this is developing into another long thread :-X I think we are too helpful ;D ;D
Sorry, I'm going to make the thread a bit longer. What was the joining age of the Army in WW2 - 21 or if joining younger, have parents permission? Depending on his "real" birth year (1919 or 1920) he may have not been yet 21 as he enlisted in 1940. Could he have changed his birth year for this reason i.e. to join the Army?
It will interesting to see what age he has on his 1938 Marriage Certificate - 1) under/over 21 - 2) younger/older than his wife?
Les
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Well, if he married Joyce in 1938 and was not then old enough to join the forces, he was a very young bridegroom!
Sue
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Hi all,
Just had marriage cert, details below.
Date and place of mariage--ST john's Church Darlinghurst 26.11.1938
Names of Parties--ROY HENRY GEORGE HOOD (blacksmiths stricker)/JOYCE DAISY WEIR(machinist)
Addresses-Roy 38 Kitchener Ave Earlwood, Joyce 23 Cahederal St East Sydney
Consent of marriage given by George Hood and Ada Hood--James Reston Weir
Conjugal status-Roy bachelor, Joyce -spinster
Birthplace Roy-Marrickville nsw, Joyce Newtown Sydney nsw BOTH AGED 20
Father/Mother -Roy -- George Hood(wood machinist)/Ada Ethel Carnwell
Ada --- James Reston Weir (barman) /Rose Andrews (deceased)
Witnesses H HOOD(probably Harold (1920) the brother/B Weir
Think that confirms he's George's son but where's the birth record, not having a lot of luck on this line!!"
John
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John if he was born towards the end of 1918 his birth may not have been registered until 1919...hence would not show on the records to 1918....
Cheers
Cando
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Or he changed his age slightly, based on the age of his wife - his wife is on the register as born in 1917. Joyce must have been very close to 21? I would think his age at death may be more reliable, as he may have had to prove his age to get an aged pension(at 65)/repat pension(at 60)
There is no sign of the birth on the NSW CD. I checked for Roy Hood and also for anyone called Roy with parents George and Ada (these names being difficult to misspell) and for any Hood with parents George and Ada.
If you are a direct descendant you could apply to the NSW registry for a certificate - otherwise, looking for a church baptism may be a useful option.
Trish
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Hi,
I will have to be patient on this. I am not a direct decendant so am I right in thinking I cannot order a death cert.
John
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As he died in 1987 you will have to wait 30 years - 2018
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm
Cando
Edit - Info appropriate to death...
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Hi,
I will have to be patient on this. I am not a direct decendant so am I right in thinking I cannot order a death cert.
John
Tis 100 years - as per Cando for a birth certificate - 30 years for a death certificate - 2018
Found death of Roy Henry George Hood 5/11/1987 aged 68 (b.1919) - Sydney Morning Herald 7/11/1987.
This reference is from the RYERSON index
http://www.ryersonindex.org/ - you can join the appropriate list and ask for a lookup. May name his living relatives. Should tell you where he is buried
Trish
Edit: I should have quoted Cando - I think she changed her post :)
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I'm not sure how strict NSW BDM's are? As John is only after a birth date would it be worth John's time to email BDM's and indicate to them he has Roy's Marriage Cert, Roy's war records, and details of Roy's death 2O years ago.
I just looked at the BDM's site, and and although births of less than 100 years are restricted except to the individual himself/herself, the wording does read "records are normally only available to the person named on the certificate"
Does "normally" suggest not all the time? Roy has been deceased for over 20 years, and John has a few of Roy's other records.
No harm in trying ???
Les
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Hi Les....I doubt he would be successful. He is not a direct relative or descendant. My understanding is that you would be named on the certificate ie. your own birth, your own marriage etc....but I have been known to get things wrong....frequently ;D ;D
Restricted records are normally only available to the person named on the certificate and identification is always required.
Unrestricted records are available to anyone. Identification is not required. We refer to these unrestricted records as Family History Records (Certificates).
Family History Certificates are available to anyone if the event occurred:
Births 100 years ago or more
Deaths 30 years ago or more
Marriages 50 years ago or more
Cando
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Used to be that if you spun a good story you could get them - but sadly no more. If the person is dead you need to be the next of kin still living - child, grandchild - or a legal eagle needing the information for the purposes of an estate.
Could be worth trying - I would love to be proven wrong!
Trish
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Hi,
I will have to be patient on this. I am not a direct decendant so am I right in thinking I cannot order a death cert.
John
I'm a direct descendant , my grandmother is Joyce's daughter Shirley , I can name many defendants from the Giles family and I knew Joyce (great grand mother) up until she passed away.
Maybe i can help with your inquiries ?
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Teagang, Many thanks for your e-mail. In between my original posting and current I have had telephone contact with June (Cashman) and she has sent me many scanned documents/photographs re Roy and his brother Harold. I appreciate your offer but will draw a halt on this family line now as it is getting a little removed from the research I am doing. Again thanks for the offer and if I can reciprocate the offer any HOOD info you would like please contact but June may well have most of it if you spoke to her.
Regards
John