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Title: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: abbeyfields on Monday 30 June 08 11:01 BST (UK)
I thought seeing I'd had such success with my other one, you might like to look at this one - the clothes are rather - odd!!!

I think I can guess who it is, if the date is kind of close.

Thanks very much,

Barbara
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: jim1 on Monday 30 June 08 12:44 BST (UK)
Can you show all the picture including the back if there is anything on it,also the thickness if it's a card.
The closest I can get is post 1890.
Little Bo Peep is ageless.
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: abbeyfields on Monday 30 June 08 12:53 BST (UK)
It is a postcard on the back, with a space for the stamp with a little horseshoe and what looks like T.I.? in a horseshoe in the stamp box
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: Niksmum on Monday 30 June 08 14:15 BST (UK)
a clean from me

Irene
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: abbeyfields on Monday 30 June 08 14:23 BST (UK)
That's fantastic, thanks so much!!
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: Suttonrog on Monday 30 June 08 17:47 BST (UK)
Does the postcard have a dividing line - one side for address/one for the message? These were introduced in 1904 so the line will give you a before or after this date.

I can't trace the TI in a horseshoe.

Rog
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: abbeyfields on Tuesday 01 July 08 10:11 BST (UK)
Thanks so much, here is a scan of the back - looks like it is later than I thought!!

Barbara
Collector, NSW, Australia
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 01 July 08 11:09 BST (UK)
Hello Barbera
What you have is the maker's/photographer's mark,these cards
were produced in large quantities although I doubt this one was.
This was probably produced by a local photographer directly onto the card.
These began to lose popularity after WW1.
Dividing line means post 1902 & probably before 1920.
Jim
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: abbeyfields on Tuesday 01 July 08 11:45 BST (UK)
Hi Jim,

Thanks for that!
This photo was with several other family photos from a side-branch of the family. I'm pretty sure they are related, as their grandson looked an awful lot like his grandmother (?) in the photo.
The clothing is rather confusing though - the clothes obviously don't fit the man, and the woman looks like she is in costume! Very odd! I wondered if it was like a dress-up for photos studio, as a couple of other later photos in the group were taken at the Blackpool pleasure beach (and say so on very similar pcs). It's got me puzzled!

Thanks again,

Barbara
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: Suttonrog on Wednesday 02 July 08 12:54 BST (UK)
I think you can be fairly confident that this is a staged and dressed photo.

Although it has a postcard back it is really waht is called a Real Photo (by this time a postcard would probably be printed). Paper manufacturers put their identification in the stamp box, but I can't trace this one - which is a pity as the mark changed over time.

So it can be dated to post 1902/4. Skirt lengths had not begun to shorten by then and I doubt that even in costume a marure lady would be photographed with her ankles showing (unless she was an actress). The skirt length is compatible with 1910 onwards.

Rog
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: charles w on Wednesday 02 July 08 13:39 BST (UK)
Another.
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: abbeyfields on Wednesday 02 July 08 14:27 BST (UK)
Charles,

Wow, that's really wonderful, thank you so much! What a difference to the original.

Rog,

Thanks very much for that, and for looking for the mark - 1910ish is really interesting. I don't have the couple's (that I think it is) birth dates as yet,but it should be really interesting when I do!


Barbara
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: Suttonrog on Wednesday 02 July 08 14:59 BST (UK)
I've found the stamp box mark. In this case it is not the paper manufacturer but the photographer, who was AH Chapman.

If you search Ebay on Chapman and look at post cards, you will very many of his Real Photos. He must have been very prolific.

None of this helps with the date.

Rog
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: abbeyfields on Wednesday 02 July 08 15:06 BST (UK)
Oh gosh! Well, thanks very much for finding it, and well done! I'll go take a look...

Barbara
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: saddles on Friday 04 July 08 10:30 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara..........Heres my colour interpretation of your wonderful photo.


Carolyn  :)
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: abbeyfields on Friday 04 July 08 18:11 BST (UK)
Oh my gosh, that's truly wonderful, it really is. Thank you so much, that must have taken so much time and skill.

Barbara
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: chinakay on Saturday 05 July 08 06:57 BST (UK)
Hi Rog, can you explain "Real Photo"? Never come across the term before...

Cheers,
China
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 05 July 08 10:16 BST (UK)
Hello China
What Rog means by a real photo is that it's a photograph directly onto a card rather than a print.
Explanation here.
http://www.postcard.co.uk/beginners_1.php
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: abbeyfields on Saturday 05 July 08 11:48 BST (UK)
Gosh, I'm so slow - I've read the explanation, but does that mean that they are mass produced? Or in this case, it's a one off of my ancestors?

Thanks!

Barbara
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 05 July 08 16:33 BST (UK)
Personal ones like this one printed to order.Photographer's did take pictures of popular local scenes/people and produced batches for resale.These are called real photo's.
Large manufacturers printed them off on presses.
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: chinakay on Saturday 05 July 08 19:02 BST (UK)
Okay, I get it...thanks Jim.

China
Title: Re: Could someone please date this photo?
Post by: abbeyfields on Sunday 06 July 08 04:00 BST (UK)
I see! Thanks very much!

Barbara