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Title: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: babsjane on Thursday 26 June 08 14:32 BST (UK)
I would like to know if anyone could help me I,m looking for any info on My grandfathers family.  My grandfather was called George Leach he married my Nan Mary Ellen Craven October 1919.  My g.granddad was called James Leach and my g.grandmother was called Margaret Walker they married November 1895 at St Marks church  in Woodhouse Leeds.  James father was also called James, whom at the time of marriage is deceased and Margaret's father was called John Walker.  I Know that my g.grandmother was supposed to have had a shop in Woodhouse (shay street) which is backed up with the information on my grandfathers (George )marriage certificate it states that James was a greengrocer at this point. Any info to help me further would be greatfully appreciated. thankyou
babsjane :)
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: Tati on Thursday 26 June 08 14:40 BST (UK)
Hi Babsjane,

Are you trying to trace them back?

Is this your family in 1901 for a start?

1901
RG13/4233 21 7
Leeds, Yorkshire
19 Holborn (something)
4 rooms occupied

James Leach, head, 25, Bricklayer's labourer
Margaret, wife, 22
George, son, 5
Francis, son, 3
John Wm, son, 1

All born Leeds.

What were James' and Margaret's father's occupations according to the marriage cert, and who were the witnesses?  :) 
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: babsjane on Thursday 26 June 08 14:51 BST (UK)
Hi Tati

yes this looks like them as I know that my granddad had some siblings called JohnWilliam and frank ( which would be short for Francis).

On my g.grandparents marriage certificate it states that James(was a cartman) dad was James ( deceased)  was a labourer.  Margaret father john was also a labourer

babsjane :) P.s I'm am trying to trace them back
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: Tati on Thursday 26 June 08 15:38 BST (UK)
Well, I'm having trouble identifying James on earlier census! There are several candidates but none with a father James  :-\


This could be Margaret:

1891
RG12/3701 74 12
Leeds, Yorkshire
(Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark's) 
9 Bloomfield Mant?
4 rooms occupied

John Walker, head, 49, Moulder's labourer, b. Scotland Glasgow
Esther, wife, 48, b. Lancashire Manchester
Elizabeth, dau, 16, Machinist, b. Leeds
Margaret, dau, 13, Tailoress, b. do.
Ellen, dau, 10, scholar, b. do.
Harry, son, 7, scholar, b. do.
Esther, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.


For the record, the above family (= widowed Esther with daughters Ellen and Esther) live just a few households away from James and Margaret in 1901.
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: Tati on Thursday 26 June 08 15:58 BST (UK)
Well, this is getting complicated! Please forgive me if this is a red herring!  :P

The one family who seems to match the above Walker family in 1881 is called Mathieson!  ???
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=24671809

The 1871 again has a Walker family that strangely looks like the 1881 Mathiesons ... (if we accept that Francis' age should be 14 months instead of 14 years)
RG10/5101 46 10
All Saints, Northumberland
14 Paindon? Bank

Francis? Walker, head, 34, Hawker, b. Ireland
Esther, wife, 28, Hawker, b. Manchester
Francis, son, 14, b. Bradford
Jane, (no relationship shown), b. Durham Sunderland
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: babsjane on Thursday 26 June 08 16:23 BST (UK)
Hi Tati

  okaayy  1891 info looks like a good bet   but then I get confused  are you saying (may or may not) that in 1871  the walker family - Francis is john ? or that esther the mum is with somebody else.  I've had allsorts with my family history so far so this is quite funny our relies like to keep us on our toes !lol ;D
babsjane
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: Tati on Thursday 26 June 08 17:12 BST (UK)
It's a bit odd isn't it? Let's wait if someone can find a more credible family, maybe  :P
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: trouble9 on Sunday 29 December 19 19:04 GMT (UK)
Hello,I. Am also researching James Leach for my Niece Her Mother was Diane Leach her Father Alec Georges brother. I also traced back to 1901,traced Margaret further back a mystery as to why they changed their name from Mathieson to Walker as they are the same family. I keep thinking I have found her Great Great Grandfather James but find they are still living in 1901 when I come forward which is no good as they are supposed to be deceased. Have you had any further luck? One I thought was on the 1871 census James leach born 1842 had married Eliza Sutcliffe 1869,I think it is his death  1899 but I do not see a son James in the 1881 Census :-[
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 30 December 19 19:58 GMT (UK)
Just bumping this up the list for you

The Original poster has not been on since 2013.

I’ve been looking but nothing obvious is leaping out.
James Leach may have invented his father, but even taking him out of the equation it is difficult.

I did get a bit excited about James son of William and (I have forgotten wife’s name for the moment)  who had a brother John William which as James had a son John William seemed promising.  However not only was William’s name different, so was his occupation, so I don’t think it’s a case of the vicar making an error.

You will have considered this, but just thinking aloud....

Alternate spelling LEECH of course, but I also saw one family where LEACH had been transcribed as LEAK, so will have to consider LEEK as well.
Also SEE/ACH


Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: trouble9 on Tuesday 31 December 19 06:44 GMT (UK)
Hi Thank you for your prompt rely.I also looked at William ,I have spent hours in the Library trying to find James Father quite a few maybes.I wonder if they made a mistake with his Fathers name.
I found the William and Charlotte Leeck which also could be a mis spelling.I am enclosing what I found
Regards Patricia

Will not let me add attachments
Found Baptism of James Leach on one William and Charlotte Oct 22nd 1876 He is a fitter.living 14 Lloyds street Leathley road.
The other one I have is the actual register stating the above but spelling Leach correctly
Hunslet St Silas
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: mckha489 on Tuesday 31 December 19 07:30 GMT (UK)
Who are the parent’s of this one?
Cannot see a marriage


LEACH, JAMES    MMN. TAYLOR 
GRO Reference: 1875  S Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 326
 
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: trouble9 on Wednesday 01 January 20 17:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Maybe I could chance it and order that certificate .I did find a James Leech in the 1891 Census
Born 1841. John leech 40 (Brothers) Born1852  Head. Mary wife born 1851.
James  Leech 19
John leech14
William leech 12
Ann leech 10
Margaret leech 10
Catherine Leech 2. They live on Sykes place Leeds. Born John and James are Tanners cannot think it would be them as James was a bricklayers apprentice which I guess he would have started young!
 Hunslet one I found 1891 James Leach wife Cecilia. They have 6 Children James is only 12 though too young! I will keep on looking Thank you for your Imput  Hopefully get there in the end  :)
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 01 January 20 18:37 GMT (UK)
Who are the parent’s of this one?
Cannot see a marriage


LEACH, JAMES    MMN. TAYLOR 
GRO Reference: 1875  S Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 326

This is William and Charlotte's James, judging by the siblings on 1881. I think he marries an Emily Read in 1901, so may well be out of the picture
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: trouble9 on Thursday 02 January 20 10:40 GMT (UK)
Back to the drawing board then.I will let you know if my niece finds anything in her late Mum papers
Alec Leach her Grandfather. Regards Patricia
Title: Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
Post by: trouble9 on Tuesday 07 January 20 17:19 GMT (UK)
Hi,I posted this before now I have studied the same family in the 1901 Census I think it is James’s Family.
1901 Census.
The older James is no longer there if it is him he would be married ,his brother John age 24. 2 years   younger  Bricklayers labourer, maybe James changed from being a Tanner to being like his brother John as that is what he is doing in the 1901 Census. as John senior and James senior were  brothers maybe James senior was James Father. As yet not found his death.

John Leach Head age 50. Occupation Tanner. Same as 1891 Born Mayo Co. Ireland
Mary Leach age 51.  No occupation.                                   Born Edinburgh Scotland.
John Leach age 24..” Occupation Bricklayers Labourer” Born Yorkshire.
William Leach. Age 22. Occupation  Cannot read the writing.
Margaret Leach. Age 15. Occupation Tailoring. .         Born  Leeds.  Ann no longer there
Catherine Leach Age 12.    “.              “
They are living in George Street. Central Leeds.

Margaret and Catherine names run through Alec Leaches family
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Re: james leach and Margaret Walker
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 01 January 20 17:18 GMT (UK) »
1891 Census
Born 1841. John leech 40 (Brothers) Born1852  Head. Mary wife born 1851.
James  Leech 19
John leech14
William leech 12
Ann leech 10
Margaret leech 10
Catherine Leech 2. They live on Sykes place Leeds.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this one.