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Another mystery of my wifes relatives.
My wifes grandmother was a Margaret Ellen Thorpe,her father was a David Thorpe b.1861 or thereabouts in Wrexham and mother Ellen White b.1871 in Ieland,the other children were Mary A,William,and Susan,also I believe a Thomas from the first marriage to a Thomas Thorpe.There is no record as I can see of the Death of Thomas Thorpe.
Thomas Thorpe was born in Uppingham Rutland about 1865,and that seems to be a common name,but unable track him from there.
David Thorpe born in Wrexham but the same again till 1901 census and the family had moved to Newcastle Staffs,as David married a Ellen White.
Anybody with any ideas
Peter
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Hi Peter,
Who was married to a Thomas Thorpe? ???
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Hi Tati
I made a typing error on the first message,David Thorpe was married to Margaret White as was Thomas Thorpe,the mother in law was Ellen White.
A very Catholic family.
Sorry about the mistakes.
Peter
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So Margaret (whose birth place is shown as Haslington Lancashire in 1901) first married Thomas Thorpe, and then she married David, correct?
When and where did these events happen? Do you have Margaret on a census (it would be 1891 I presume) with Thomas? The 1901 census shows a son James age 11 born Cheshire Crewe - is this the one you were calling Thomas in your first post?
:)
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Hi
The very same.
Peter
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OK.
So this is the family in 1891:
RG12/2149 153 31
Newcastle under Lyme
Thomas Thorpe, head, 26, Pedlar, b. Rutland Uppingham
Margaret, wife, 21, b. Haslington Lancashire
James, son, 6 mo, b. Cheshire Crewe
Ellen White, mother in law, wid, 60, b. Lancashire Salford
Have you found a marriage for Margaret to David? Given I can't see one I was wondering if you knew for sure that they aren't one and the same man ... Have you identified both Thomas and David on a same census yet?
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Hi
My wife has said thatas far as she can remember her GMother had said her father was a David Thorpe and she would only have been about 6 or 7years old,but the 2 census returns show Thomas b.in rutland and David b.Wrexham as married to the same woman.
Peter
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Hi
No can't find any marriage of David and Margaret
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OK, we see 2 different names on census. Now as long as we can find only one marriage, we need to do a bit of research ...
What age was David when he died? Were the later children all registered with father David? Can you see a David Thorpe born Wrexham on any census before 1901? (I can't :-\ )
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Right
The later children were Davids,I have looked on the earlier census;s but no luck.
Have got to go now,catch your reply tomorrow.
Thanks
Peter
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The later children were Davids,
But do you have the certs saying his name was David? I was hoping one or more of them might say Thomas :-\
Was his death registered as David too?
If they were 2 different men I really wonder where he's hiding before 1901!
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Another missing jigsaw piece ...
Five THORP(E)s registered in Wrexham 1861-71 ... no David.
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Also, up until 1891, census show 3 Thomas Thorpe born 1865 +/-2 Uppingham - one of them disappears when David appears ...
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Hi, I can definitely tell you that Thomas Thorpe and David Thorpe are the same. He was married to Margaret Ellen White, mother Ellen White. There were other siblings as well as the ones you mentioned, one was my Father David Thorpe. I dont know why my grandad gave different birth places on different censuses and I believe that Ellen White was born in Ireland although on one of the census she says born in Salford. I must be related to your Wife if he was her Grandad as well. My grandmother Margaret lived with us after grandad died until her death. I dont know if you have resolved your queries or if this will be of any help. Rene C.
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Hi, I am also tracing the Thorpe family from Newcastle Staffs, I have been able to work out that Thomas Thorpe & David Thorpe are one and the same person, he is my great granddad, my granddad was Thomas. This is where we have hit a snag in our searches for both David & his wife Margaret. I have got a marriage certificate for David & Margaret but cannot trace where to obtain Margaret or Davids birth certs. If you can provide any further information on either of these I would appreciate it.
Thanks
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To the Cambrian Princess
Re thorpes
Hi Reenee C
The mystery of David and Thomas has now been solved,my wife margaret is rrelated through the Thorpes and Vaddeleys if you rember we met at the funeral.
nice to hear from you
Peter and Maargaret
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To the Cambrian Princess
Re thorpes
Hi Reenee C
The mystery of David and Thomas has now been solved,my wife margaret is rrelated through the Thorpes and Vaddeleys if you rember we met at the funeral.
nice to hear from you
Peter and Maargaret
My Mother was Eva Thorpe and was a descendant of David Thomas Thorpe and Margaret Thorpe (White) this is what I have so far.
I have copies of the following, Marriage Certificate for Thomas Thorpe and Margaret White 24th July 1890, showing his father as James Thorpe, Pedlar (deceased), her father was also James, Boiler maker.
they lived at No 6-7 Lower Green Newcastle.
Birth certificate for James Thomas (my Grandfather) born 4th December1890 at 64 Nantwich Road Monks Coppenhall.
Birth certificate for Mary Ann 1st August 1893 at 1 School Yard Lower Green Newcastle.
If you can help me I am trying to get more information on David Thomas Thorpe, Margaret White and Ellen White.
Thanks Graham.
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Re-Thorpes
Hi Graham
Margaret White was born haslingdon Lancashire which is about 12 miles or so from Manchester.
Did your dad work at the post Office in Stoke.
Thanks
Peter and Margaret
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Hi Peter & Margaret
Thanks for the reply, the person who worked in the post office was my Mother's Brother Fred.
I was wondering if you had a birth certificate for Margaret White giving her Mother's Maiden name?
If you do could you give me the certificate number from it, so that I can get a copy and continue with my search. If you are interested in any information from James Thomas Thorpe's side of the family please let me know.
Thanks Graham
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hi graham
sorry no certificate,but i believe her mothers christian name was MARY and her fathers THOMAS WHITE.
my wifes grandmother was MARGARET ELLEN THORPE(nellie) and she married a THOMAS BADDELEY.
i will have another look through the files and get back to yo.
thanks
p,M