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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: Boongie Pam on Thursday 08 April 04 12:35 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
Does anyone have an interest in Greens in Lochmaben and Applegarth & Sibbaldie?
I have some images of "Green" graves from Lochmaben if anyone is interested.
My key family are Robert Green (b ~1785) and Henrietta Ryecroft (b ~1787) who lived in Lochmaben and appear on the 1841 census. They had 11 children from 1800s to 1828.
I know there are other researchers on this family as I have found old posts on Rootsweb but never made contact. I have quite a bit of material and always willing to share.
Cheers,
Pam
;D
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Hi Pam, I have just found this site and registered. My Grandmother was born a Green and the Green family came from Lochmaben, Dumfrieshire! I have a William Green who had 2 "natural" children with a Margaret Burgess. Catherine Green in 1809 and James Green in 1813. We think that your Robert Green who married Henrietta Rycroft was a brother of William Green. We have no birthdate for William and we think that his father and Grandfather were both James Green. There is also a William Green who marries a Margaret Bell sometime before 1829 and has a son John Green. We do not know if this is our William Green or another William Green born around 1809 who was a son of Robert Green and Henrietta Ryecroft. Any information would be most helpful. I have information from our William to present that I can share with you as well. I would be most interested in observing Green grave images. Our Greens did originally come from Applegarth and were in Lochmaben by 1800. Kind regards, James Galbraith from Canada.
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Hiya,
We HAVE to be related!!! Not sure how yet!
I'll get my scanner hooked up asap but here are the MI found on my visit...
1. In memory of Elizabeth JARDINE wife of George GREEN, who died at Bellshield, 16th Feb 1872 aged 62 years. Also Catherine their daughter who died 8th June 1895 aged 42 years. Also the above George GREEN, who died at Edinburgh 15th Feb 1903 agd 86 years. Also Margaret CREIGHTON, his sister in law, who died at Parkfoots 19th Feb 1887 aged 72 years.
2. In Memory of Robert GREEN who died at 19 Castle St Lochmaben 22nd January 1899 aged 79 years.
3. In Loving Memory of Philip son of Robert and Mary Jane GREEN who died at Marjoriebanks 18th Oct 1910 aged 13 months. Also Pte Kenneth GREEN 2nd Gordon Highlanders their second son who died of wounds received at Festubert 17th May 1915 aged 19 years interred in Mervell Cemetery, France. He died that we may live. Also Mary Jane TAIT beloved wife of above Robert GREEN who died 24th May 1922 aged 48 years. Also the above Robert GREEN who died 7th Feb 1931, aged 62 years. Also wee May grand daughter of the above who died at 9 Croft Terrace, Lochmaben, 4th June 1937 aged 2 1/2 years.
4. In Loving memory of William GREEN who died at Dumfries 7th March 1919 aged 56. Also Sergt David James GREEN Gordon Highlanders, his son died of wounds at Etaples, France, 10th Sept 1917 aged 24 years. Also Sergt John Neil GREEN, Blackwatch, his son killed in action France 25th April 1918 aged 27. Also Charles GREEN his son who died in infancy. Also Francis Ostend GREEN his grandson who died at Lochmaben aged 4 1/2 months. Also Wilhelmina Burnett WALLACE his wife who died at 19 Princes Street Lochmaben 6th Sept 1929 aged 69 years. Also David James GREEN R.A.F. killed in action 17th Sept 1942 aged 25 years. Also Agnes Hunter GREEN daughter of above died at Lochmaben 17th Sept 1959.
5. In Loving memory of Matthew GREEN died at Mill Cottage 31st Oct 1920 aged 63 years. Also his beloved wife Elizabeth McKIE died 6th Jan 1965 aged 92 years. Also Alexander son of above died 3rd Feb 1928 aged 15 years. Also Dennis great grandson of above died sep 1946. Also their daughter Martha McKie GREEN "Mattie" died 6th June 1993 aged 84 years.
<If Matthew is one of yours then this will be of interest http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_039/39_403_405.pdf >
6. In loving memory of John DONALDSON dearly loved husband of Annie GREEN died 12th Aug 1989 aged 85 years also the above Annie GREEN died 31st July 1996 aged 92 years.
7. In loving memory of James Green who died at Thorniethwaite 30th November 1891 age 55 years Also William his son who died 25th September 1879 age 18 months Also Agnes Jane daughter who died 18th November 1888 age 4 years James Wilson grandson who died 11th February 1890 age 2 years Also Mary Telfer widow who die at Parkfoot 26th November 1920 age 79 years and David their son beloved husband of Ellen Sword who died 15th July 1940 age 75 years.
I'll post my GREEN descendancy chart in another post as I'm running out of space here.
Cheers,
Pam
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Hi James,
I hope this posts properly! This is what I have so far but I am planning a trip to get more info tomorrow which may patch a few more of the families together - buying these images got a bit pricey!
I've seen your CAtherine and James on the IGI and somehow thought they were related to JAmes Green and Catherine Galloway who had children in both Lochmaben and Applegarth. If the naming convention holds the parents of my Robert Green snr should be James and Mary but I haven't found a trace yet. I'll post again tomorrow when I have more info put together. I also have 26 BMD certs which I'm happy to share with you - they relate to the people below who have a definite date against their name post 1854.
Descendants of Robert Green
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1-Robert Green b. Abt 1786, d. Bef 1861, Lochmaben
+Henrietta Ryecroft b. Abt 1787, d. Bef 1851, Lochmaben
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|--2-James Green b. 27 Mar 1805, Applegarth, Dumfries
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|--2-William Green b. 29 Mar 1807, Lochmaben, d. 27 Oct 1888, Lochmaben
| +Elizabeth Grierson b. 19 Nov 1811, Lochmaben, d. 25 Dec 1875, Lochmaben
| |--3-Robert Green b. 3 Jan 1837, Lochmaben
| |--3-Isabella Green b. 14 May 1838, Lochmaben
| |--3-Henrietta Green b. 5 Apr 1840, Lochmaben
| |--3-Anne Green b. 3 Apr 1842, Lochmaben
| | +Unknown
| | |--4-Margaret Green b. 2 May 1869, Lochmaben
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| |--3-Matthew Green b. 12 Nov 1843, Lochmaben, d. 2 Feb 1856, Lochmaben
| |--3-Mary Green b. 9 Dec 1845, Lochmaben
| |--3-John Green b. 17 Jan 1847, Lochmaben, d. 3 Dec 1857, Lochmaben
| |--3-Janet Green b. 1 Dec 1850, Lochmaben, d. 4 Oct 1880, Lockerbie
| | +John McCallum b. Abt 1842, Dryfsedale, Dumfries
| | |--4-Major McCallum b. Abt 1879, Lochmaben
| | |--4-Janet G McCallum b. Abt 1880, Dryfsedale, Dumfries
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| |--3-Mary Green b. 1 Aug 1852, Lochmaben
| |--3-Elizabeth Green b. 3 Sep 1854, Lochmaben
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|--2-Margaret Green b. 14 May 1811, Applegarth, Dumfries
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|--2-Mary Green b. 19 Dec 1813, Applegarth, Dumfries, d. 29 Apr 1895, Lochmaben
| +George Graham b. Abt 1813, Lochmaben, Dumfries
| |--3-Henrietta Graham b. Abt 1849, Lochmaben, Dumfries
| |--3-Mary J Graham b. Abt 1860, Lochmaben, Dumfries
| |--3-Thomas Graham
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|--2-Henry Green b. 25 Feb 1816
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|--2-Robert Green b. 16 Aug 1818, Lochmaben, d. 22 Jan 1899, Lochmaben
| +Janet Sneddon
| +Sarah Brown
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|--2-George Green b. 4 Feb 1821
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|--2-John Green b. 28 Sep 1823, Lochmaben, d. 29 Nov 1889, Lochmaben
| +Agnes Hunter b. Abt 1818, Lochmaben, d. 25 Nov 1904, Lochmaben
| |--3-James Green b. Abt 1846, d. After 1904
| |--3-Henrietta Green b. Abt 1848, d. 24 Apr 1855, Lochmaben
| |--3-Robert Green b. Abt 1852, Lochmaben, d. 25 Mar 1933, Dalbeattie
| | +John Ann Robinson b. Abt 1849 Cumberland, d. 26 Jun 1888, Colvend, Kirkcudbright
| | |--4-John Green b. 11 Jun 1869, Lochmaben
| | |--4-Margaret Green b. 13 Nov 1871, Moffat, d. 7 Sep 1917, Annan, Dumfrieshire
| | | +Thomas Thomson b. 20 Apr 1870, Edinburgh, d. After 1917
| | | ****My Direct Line***
| | |--4-Johann Green b. 18 Apr 1874, Leadhills, Lanark
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| | |--4-Rachel Green b. 17 Nov 1878, Lochmaben
| | |--4-Jane Green b. 9 Mar 1881, Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright
| | |--4-Elizabeth Green b. 10 Oct 1882, Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright
| | |--4-Robert Green
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| | +Isabella Brown b. Abt 1857, Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright
| | |--4-Mary Anne Green b. 24 Jul 1889, Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright
| | |--4-Janet S Green b. Abt 1891, Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright
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| |--3-John Green b. Abt 1857, Lochmaben
| |--3-Henrietta Ryecroft Green b. 1859
| |--3-William Green b. Abt 1862
| | +Wilhelmina Burnett Wallace b. Abt 1860, d. 6 Sep 1929, Lochmaben
| | |--4-Charles Green
| | |--4-Sergeant John Neil Green b. Abt 1891, d. 25 Apr 1918, France
| | |--4-Sergeant David James Green b. Abt 1893, d. 10 Sep 1917, Etaples, France
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| |--3-Agnes Hunter Green b. Abt 1864, Lochmaben, d. 14 Jun 1867, Lochmaben
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|--2-Janet Carruther Green b. 13 Aug 1826
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|--2-David Green b. 21 Sep 1828, Lochmaben, d. 6 Nov 1897, Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia
| +Sarah Saunders d. 13 Nov 1922, Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia
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|--2-Henrietta Green b. 3 Jul 1831, Lochmaben, d. 4 Jun 1906, Lochmaben
+George Coltart b. Abt 1826, Lochmaben
|--3-George Coltart b. Abt 1872, Lochmaben
|--3-Maggie Coltart b. Abt 1869, Lochmaben
|--3-Mathew Coltart b. Abt 1865, Lochmaben
|--3-Robert Coltart b. Abt 1856, Lochmaben
|--3-William Coltart b. Abt 1875, Lochmaben
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Thank you very much Pam!! My father actually copied the parish records for Lochmaben about 15 years ago. So he may have some more information for you. He should also be able to send you an ancestral chart. We think that the William Green that had 2 illegitimate children with Margaret Burgess had as his parents James Green and Catherine Galloway. We think that this James' father was James and that his Grandfather was William. Our William Green also has another illegitimate child with a Mary Baird who was still living in 1851 in Kirkmahoe with John Jardine and her daughter Elizabeth Green who married John Jardine. William Green and Margaret Burgess had a James Green born 1813 Lochmaben. He married Agnes Hamilton in 1845 in Ontario, Canada. Our Green's came to Canada in 1832 from Lochmaben. They had a son James who married Ellen Kennedy in 1879. They had a son Robert James Green who married Eleanor Forfar in 1912. They had a daughter Elinora Aickin Green who married my Grandfather Samuel Clements Galbraith who was born in 1909 and is still living.
From your chart it appears that the William Green who married Elizabeth Grierson did not have the child John Green in 1829 with Margaret Bell. Looking forward to finding out more information. Kind regards, James.
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Wow it is quite a tangled web isn't it.
After todays labours, which I'm still trying to digest - I can add another family to the lot above - James Green (son of Agnes Hunter & John Green) married Elizabeth Tweedie and I have a pile of kids along with that.
I also found a James Green who died at 84 on the 6/7/1872 his address is High St Lochmaben. His parent's are listed as James Green and Unknown Galloway (presumably Catherine). He was the widow of Elizabeth Hay and his death was registered by George Green - I've failled to note the relation
ship but I think it is his son.
I'll be hitting the census again to try and make sense of this - no pun intended ;D
All the best,
Pam
;D
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Thank you Pam! It would make sense that there would be a James Green existing as both of James' grandfathers are believed to be James'. I think that Catherine Galloway's parents are James Galloway and Fergusia Montgomery. James Green and Catherine Galloway's last child was named Montgomery Green (a girl) in 1800 in Lochmaben. Have you been able to find all of the Greens in Lochmaben in 1841? I don't know if my William Green born abt 1785 was still alive or possibly the James Green who married Catherine Galloway?
I am going to steer off in a completely different direction. I notice that you apparently have access to the Dumfries censuses. If you are able to could you look up a John Rodger who married Helen Hewat or Welsh on July 27 1840 in Dumfries. They had daughters Robina and Janet born between 1841 and 1844 in Dumfries, Dumfries. The family would likely be in Dumfries, Dumfries when the 1841 census was taken. My dad is going to be so pleased with all of the new information. He has more information on the Greens from Applegarth and Lochmaben but is out of town for a few days. Looking forward to hearing from you again! James
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Hi James,
I had seen the IGI Greens with Montgomery et al I hadn't worked out all the connections though. I have quite a lot but not all the 1841 GREENs I am due to revisit them when I get a chance to go the library, probably next week.
When I originally started this research I followed the wrong Robert Green - I thought Robert the son of William Green and Elizabeth Grierson was my direct. So I've a lot on Grierson info from 1841.
I'll post after my library visit.
With regard to Dumfries it's a bit of a toughy - it isn't indexed and there are I think 27 enumeration districts - it's a very long film - I'm still trying to find some of my lot. Do you have any idea where in Dumfries they maybe?
Cheers,
Pam
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Thank you Pam! The marriage and the children were born in Dumfries, Dumfries. James.
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Are they on the 1851 census?
http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp
It may help to place them in a smaller area than as Dumfries was massive compared to the other towns and it takes hours to go through it.
P ;D
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Hi Pam! My William Green who had issue with at least 2 different woman: Margaret Burgess and Mary Baird appears to be dead by 1851. Mary Baird was found in the 1851 website which you posted, living in the village of Duncow, Kirkmahoe. She was listed as widowed and was living with her daughter Elizabeth Green and Elizabeth's husband John Jardine. The James Green born in 1813 was in Canada by 1832. I would be interested in any of the siblings of William and William Green himself.
As for the Rodger family I have no more clues other than the marriage and children being born in the parish of Dumfries, Dumfrieshire. Kind regards, James.
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Hi Pam. Just to clear things up regarding 1841 census, so there is no confusion. My Greens should be in Lochmaben and John and Helen Rodger should be in the parish of Dumfries, Dumfrieshire. James :)
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Hi again,
Sorry for the delay - it's budget time at work so I've been snowed. I still have to type up my 1841 Lochmaben Greens - when it's done I will post it in txt format for you.
I've covered the first 5 enumeration districts for Dumfries and no Rodger's - only another 20 odd districts to do lol!
All the best,
Pam
;D
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Thank you very much for all of your hard work!! This is truly a great website. Kind regards, James
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Hiya,
Haven't managed to get back to the Dumfries film BUT have got hold of an index for 1841, what a boon.
Righty ::)
Dumfries 1841
Enum 15 Page 1
St Michael's St 70 (not sure what that 70 means?)
John Roger 30 Cotton Weaver born Dumfriesshire
Helen Roger 25 born England
William Roger 3
Robina Roger 1
So no "d" in the surname but this has to be them, Robina isn't such a common name.
I also picked up the OPR burials for Lochmaben - you probably already have this but there is only one Green in the 1766-1770, 1796-1819 coverage.
Catherine Galloway wife of James Green buried Applegarth residence Gotterbie 26 Nov 1801
As or 1841 Greens
In house of Janet Jardine (65), Jean Irving (40) & Sarah Hoffan (10)
1 East Street Margaret Green 3 Y
In house of Gavin Wood (35) & Margaret Wood (45)
2 East Street John Green 12 Y
2 East Street Martha Green 15 Y
My lot...
3 East Street
Robert Green 55 Labourer Y
Henrietta Green 54 Y
James Green 35 Labourer Y
Henry Green 20 Stocking maker Y
John Green 15 Stocking maker Y
Henrietta Green 10 Y
Note on top of page: Parish of Tinwald part of Royalty of the Burgh - I checked and they are also included on the Tynwald returns
5 Hunterhouse
William Green 30 Stocking maker Y
Elizabeth Green 25 Y
Robert Green 4 Y
Isabella Green 3 Y
Henrietta Green 1 Y
George Green 19 Stocking maker Y
in house of Mary Baird (35)
7 Broomhill Park Betty Green 12 Y
in house of William Richardson
9 Greenhill Catherine Green 25 Y
10 Smallholm
Janet Anderson 55 Y
George Green 24 Ag Lab Y
Elizabeth Jardine 25 Y
James Green 4 Y
Robert Green 1 Y
14 Hightae Village Grace Green 6 Y
m Gotterby outhouse
David Green 12 farm servant Y
Robert Green 20 farm servant Y
William Green 15 farm servant Y
n Riggheads outhouse
James Green 18 farm servant Y
o West St
Elizabeth Hay Green 49 Y
James Green 50 lab. Y
Mary Green 12 Y
These last 5 households are from an index and I want to double check them as I don't think Smallholm is a complete household.
Cheers,
Pam
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PS - should have said the numbers on the addresses are mine to define entries NOT from the film.
PPS - Also should of said, there were no GREEN families on the Applegarth/Sibbaldie census for 1841. There may have been one young male farm servant but can't find my notes - I'm in paper hell at the mo :(
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Thank you so much for the research Pam!
It has been quite helpful. We did not know that John Rodger's wife was born in England!
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Pam, thank you so much for all of your time and research!!! We did not know that John Rodger's wife was born in England and we didn't know that there was a son William. Thank you also for the 1841 census information for the Green surname. I believe that Catherine Galloway actually died in Lockerbie. It doesn't look like her husband, James Green was alive in 1841. Our connection from William Green who had children with Margaret Burgess and Mary Baird does not appear to be alive in 1841. I guess there is always a possibility that they moved to another parish! Thanks again, James.
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Since a good 70% of the people in my tree are in Dumfriesshire I'm often looking in other parishes so if I see any GREENs I'll keep a note and post them here as and when I find them - just in case they're your long losts.
There seems to be some connection to Urr and Colvend as well - it maybe coincidence but a few Lochmaben GREENs seem to turn up there in 1881. Mine do.
Pam
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Hi Pam,
do you know if the Janet Anderson, mentioned in the 1851 census, as mother-in-law of George Green, was the wife of William Anderson.
Regards Millie.
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Hiya millie,
I'm not quite sure? She is on the 1841 census as well but there is no other Anderson there so couldn't confirm (I'm about to amend my posting as I've found the mum as well).
The mum of this family at Smallholm, wife of Geoge is Elizabeth Jardine.
Now the enumerator on the 1841 census put some of the women down with their maiden names rather than their married names hence me losing them in the index.
So (hope I'm making sense!) I think Janet Anderson is her maiden name. Which would mean she was married to a Jardine.
There is an Elizabeth Jardine born 10 SEP 1809 in Lochmaben to a Janet Anderson and John Jardine. I suspect that that would ties this family up?
Cheers,
Pam
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Hi lighthouse,
Thought I'd post a note to let you know that I've expanded my "Green Tree" somewhat I nkow have 72 in my tree.
I've put it online so if you want to check it out it's here...
http://fallon.rootschat.net/names7.html#green
Still haven't got passed my Robert Green & Henrietta Ryecroft. I would be very interested in your older Greens.
All the best,
Pam
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Hi Lighthouse,
I hope you catch this post. I see you have a Lockerbie connection with Catherine Galloway possibly dying there.
I was recently in touch with someone through GenesReunited who was also connected to Lockerby.
They had connections to Applegarth as do I and it made me remember your Greens.
Your family appear in teh Applegarth records - I've typed them up here...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=118694.new#new
Have you got any further on your line?
Pam
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Hi Pam,
Jannet Anderson was indeed the mother of Elizabeth Jardine who married George Green and lived in a household at Smallholm Village (it was once a village of over 25 houses, but now is no more than a couple of farms and ruins). How do I know you may ask. Well, I live about 1/2 a mile away.
The George Green/Elizabeth Jardine listed above are my 3 x Great Grandparents. The mother-in law Jannet Anderson never married, but a John Jardine is known to be Elizabeth Jardine's father. Hence the reason Elizabeth took her father's name rather than Anderson.
Regards,
Kojak ;)
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Hi Pam/Lighthouse - and any other Green hunter,
Just thought I'd share my find....
James Green husband to Catherine Galloway (who were my 5 x Great Grandparents) was alive in 1841! He was living with his son, George (and his wife) at Howcleuch in the Parish of St Mungo.
Old James was listed as being 85 years old.
Happy hunting folks.
The future is bright, the future is Green...
Kojak.
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Next stop MI then!
I was in St Mungos kirkyard about 2 years ago at dusk, beautiful place. I am getting more and more convinced that your James and my Robert are brothers or 1st cousins. Just because of the Milnbank/Applegarth connections.
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Pam,
Me 2. From memory, St Mungo's old cemetery is very secluded and surrounded by a woodland and accessed along a very narrow lane. If I get there before you (and find a grave - i'll let you know).
Kojak
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Wow it is quite a tangled web isn't it.
After todays labours, which I'm still trying to digest - I can add another family to the lot above - James Green (son of Agnes Hunter & John Green) married Elizabeth Tweedie and I have a pile of kids along with that.
Hi Pam
I have made a connection with James Green and Elizabeth Tweedie m 18 Oct 1867 Lochmaben(Elizabeth is my Greatgrand aunt),so far I have them with
7 children
Robert b1868 Lochmaben died1931 Lochmaben
Agnes b1870 "
Phylis b1872 "
James b1874 " " 1874 "
James b1875 Leadhill
Joseph Tweedie b1878
Elizabeth b1883 " 1884 "
could I ask if you have any additional info on this family that you would pass it on to me. I only have James Greens parents names and James death date as 1915 Lochmaben. I have plenty of info on the Tweedie side if you are interested I would gladly share.
Fiona
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Hi Fiona,
Always great to find a relative, even distant!
My notes for James are:
Occupation:
Labourer as per marriage cert 1867
Labourer on birth cert of daughter Agnes 1870
Labourer on birth cert of daughter Phillis 1872
Labourer on death cert of son James 1874
Lead Smelter on birth cert of son James 1875
General Labourer on birth cert of son Joseph 1878
Stonedyker as per census 1881
Labourer as per daughter Elizabeth's death 1884
Drainer as per son Robert's marriage cert 1889
Freestone quarryman as per census 1901
Quarryman on his death cert 1915
1851: Census East St Lochmaben 5
1867: Married at Lochmaben
1875: Informant for son James' birth at Leadhills
1881:Census West St Lochmaben 35 Stonedyker
1884: Informant on daughter Elizabeth's death
1889: Informant on his father's death at Queen St Lochmaben
1901: Census Marjoribanks, Lochmaben 54
1904: Informant on his mother's death at Marjoribanks
1915: Died in his dwelling house Marjoribanks - found dead.
And Elizabeth...
Occupation:
Female servant as per marriage cert 1867
1867: Married at Lochmaben
1870: Informant for daughter Agnes' birth
1872: Informant for daughter Phyllis' birth
1874: Informant for son James' death
1878: Informant for son Joseph's birth
1881: Census West St Lochmaben 38
1901: Census Marjoribanks, Lochmaben 57
The kids I have are:
Robert c1869
Agnes 1870
Phyllis 1872
James 1874
JAmes 1875
Joseph 1878
Elizabeth 1883
JAmes father = John Green 28/9/1823 - 29/11/1889 bronchitis
Occupation:
Labourer from daughter Henrietta's death 1855
Stocking maker from birth cert of son John 1857
Labourer from birth cert of daughter Henrietta 1859
Ag Lab as per census 1861
Labourer from birth cert of son William 1862
Carter as per son James' marriage cert 1867
Carter as per daughter Agnes' death 1867
Ag Lab as per census 1871
Labourer as per son Charles' marriage cert 1873
General Labourer from daughter Henrietta's marriage 1877
Lab in Granite quarries as per census 1881
Labourer as per son William's marriage 1885
Labourer as per death cert 1889
Labourer (dec) as per wife's death cert 1904
Stocking maker (dec) from death cert of son James 1915
General Labourer (dec) from son Robert's death cert 1933
1841: Census East St Lochmaben 15 Stocking maker
1851: Census East St Lochmaben 27
1861: Census East St Lochmaben 37 Ag Lab
1871: Census Marjoribanks Lochmaben 47 Ag Lab
1857: Informant for son John's birth East St Lochmaben
1859: Informant for daughter Henrietta's birth East St Lochmaben
1862: Informant for son William's birth East St Lochmaben
1864: Informant for daughter Agnes' birth East St Lochmaben
1867: Informant on daughter Agnes' death at East St Lochmaben
1881: Census Summerbank St Urr 53 Lab in Granite quarries
1889: Died at Queen St Lochmaben Informant = James his son
His mother Agnes Hunter...
1851: Census East St Lochmaben 30
1855: Informant at the death of her daughter Henrietta at Boglehole
1861: Census East St Lochmaben 41
1871: Census Marjoribanks Lochmaben 50
1881: Census Summerbank St Urr 60
1901: Census Marjoribanks, Lochmaben 81(widow of mason's labourer)
1904: Death at Marjoribanks Lochmaben informant = James Green son
I don't have confirmed info on Agnes' parentage but John is the son of Robert Green and Henrietta Ryecroft my brickwalls of 4 years!
Robert Green 1786 - bef 1861
Occupation:
Labourer from census 1841
Carrier (dec) from son William's death cert 1888
Labourer (dec) from son John's death cert 1889
Labourer (dec) from son Henry's death cert 1890
Carrier (dec) from daughter Mary's death cert 1895
Labourer (dec) from son Robert's death cert 1899
Labourer (dec) from daughter Henrietta's death 1906
1841: Census East St Lochmaben 55 Lab
1851: Census East St Lochmaben 63
Henrietta Ryecroft c1787 - bef 1851
1841: Census East St Lochmaben 54
Hope this helps,
Pam
:)
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Hi Pam
Thank you so much for taking the time to type out all the additional Green info, much appreciated.
Fiona
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No problem. It's c&p'd from my notes so no typing required :)
It would usually be on my website but it's down at the mo :)
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Hi,
We have a Mary Green b. Aug 6, 1796, in Applegarth, died Aug 14, 1862 in Lochmaben. Her father was James Green (no other info) and mother Cathrin Galloway b. Nov 27, 1757, in Covington, Lanarkshire and died Nov 26, 1801, and buried in Applegarth. Mary's brothers and sisters were: George Green b. June 27, 1791, in Lochmaben, Margaret Green b. March 11, 1793, in Applegarth, and Montgomery Green b. March 5, 1800, in Lochmaben.
Mary married John Brockie March 29, 1816, in Lochmaben, and they had 8 little Brockies.
Does anyone have any more info or connections to these people?
Thanks
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Hi waughboy,
If you read back on this thread you will see that the James Green and Catherine Galloway you refer to were / are my 6 x great grandparents. My 5 x greatgrandfather was James Green, James and Catherine's first born in 1788 believed to have been within the Applegarth area.
Your Mary and my James were siblings.
Welcome to the family.
Kojak
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oops meant to list the previous message under my own name and realised the pc was logged in under my fiancee's name.
kojak
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Good Morning everyone, am a newcomer here trying to trace some family roots. My father's side of the family hail from West Lothian (I have quite a common surname, so my work will really be cut out for me there !! :-X), but there is some family lore about Swedish economic migrants coming to Scotland at the time of the Cotton Famine in the 1860's, and changing their name in World War One beause "....it sounded rather German"
However, my mother's clan are from Lochmaben. My grandmother was Marjorie Green, and her brother was the Kenneth (known as "Kenny") Green (killed in France in 1915) mentioned in second/third post - which immediately grabbed my attention !! :o. She married a William Harvey Grierson, and lived all her days in Lochmaben.
Any information on that strand of the Green clan, or the Griersons, much appreciated
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Hi there.
Robert Green m Henrietta Ryecroft are part of my family tree on my father's mothers side. Any info at all would be appreciated. especailly dates. Have looked at some of your info and trying to sort through it all. Do you know where their graves are?
I was born in Lockerbie and only started researching this summer after a quick visit to Register House in Edinburgh.
I live in south Africa now so no more trips to graveyards.
Sheila W
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Hi johneljay
Welcome to the site and I know exactly where your Kenneth Green headstone is located in the older part of Lochmaben cemetery. If you would like a photograph of the headstone I can get you one when I'm next in the area (which will be this coming Christmas time).
I may have had a photograph saved on my old pc, but I'm afraid it blew up.
As far as the Grierson's are concerned, I'd need to check my records.
Hi Sheila,
I think there is info posted on here or another Green - Lochmaben thread about your Robert and Henrietta. I think there could be a headstone for your Robert as well in the same graveyard...Same offer as above applies if you would like a photo when I'm next up in Dumfriesshire.
Will get back to you once I have some spare time (it's a bit hectic at the moment as I have just got married to a lovely lovely).
Watch this space,
Kojak
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Thanks for the offer of a photo, Kojak. That would be great.
I was in Lochmaben cemetery in August and found Robert Coltart and Mary (Smith) Henderson's grave stone. She was my great grandmother. I have since progressed further with my family tree but have come to a bit of a standstill with Robert Green and Henrietta Ryecroft. I know there are others following this trail so I will keep checking for info from them.
I live in SA and won't be back in my home town of Lockerbie until next year so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks and 'go well' as they say here.
Sheilawood
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Hi Folks,
Some photos taken on 27 December 2009 at the old (mid 19th century onwards) lochmaben cemetery.
Hope the inscriptions are of interest to some people.
All the best for 2010.
Kojak
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Robert Green pic.
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Great photos kojak and congrats (a bit late) on your nuptuals.
The second Robert Green photo of Castle Street is Robert Green and Henrietta Ryecroft's son. Notes are on another PC. I have a photo of the entry in the memorial books at Edinburgh Castle will post when back in house.
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Hi, This is my first posting and I'm impressed by the amount of information available on the Greens of Lochmaben. I am a great great grandson of George Green and Elizabeth Jardine.
I had already found George Green's parents, James Green and Elizabeth Hay, but only on joining this thread have I picked up the suggestion that James Green might be the eldest son of James Green and Catherine Galloway. Am I interpreting this correctly? I refer to BoongiePam's posting of 17/8/04.
Elizabeth Jardine's father was John Jardine and her mother was Jannet Anderson. Like another contributor, I found no evidence that they were married. Jannet Anderson's death certificate lists both her father and mother as 'unknown'. I think this might constitute a brick wall as far as that line is concerned.
I notice other contributors mentioning George Green and Elizabeth Jardine. I am descended from their daughter Mary (B Lochmaben 1849). I would be interested in hearing from other descendants.
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Hi again! I've finally come back to trying to find more info on James Green and Catherine Galloway. I have to thank people here for providing much of the information that helped me make a few connections. I have consolidated much of the info as it relates to my side of the family at http://www.waughfamily.ca/Galloway/ Just click on Catharine Galloway & James Green at the top (in case I've moved that info onto a "Green" page).
I'm still trying to find out who James Green's (b. about 1756) parents were. Any info or ideas?
Thanks.
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Hi All,
MNB - I presume you are Mike, and if so, I hope you are well and had an enjoyable trip to Northern Ireland earlier in the summer. In case you are unsure who I am, I am your third cousin a few times removed, Kenny.
Waughboy - I have heard a few people have been very impressed with your website. Wel done, it looks great! I hope to look over it in more detail over the course of the next week or so (when I shall be taking a few days off work to try and get my various notes and info saved electronically) I shall be accessing your site to get my Green lineage in a semblance of order.
The closing question you leave hanging Waughboy is certainly something to aim for... I think finding James Green's (born c.1756) parents will depend upon finding his definitive baptismal date. Perhaps this is recorded in the OPR kept at the NAS in Edinburgh. I understand that the record collection for Applegarth and sibbaldbie is 813a and the OPR start in 1749 !!
If anyone is going to Edinburgh soon, perhaps this might be worthy of a couple hours of study...
Kind Regards,
Kojak
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Hi all :-)
Apologies for coming to this late. Elizabeth Tweedie was my great great grandmother, and I have managed to get quite far back with the Greens, (but I'm stuck at Henrietta Ryecroft like some others here!) That said, I would be grateful for any other information. I am happy to send anybody the link to my Ancestry.com family tree if they want a look.
My main query is this - Joseph Tweedie Green (1879-1918) and Sarah Carmichael (1881-1953) were my great grandparents. From what I can see, Sarah was illegitimate. BUT, from somewhere (perhaps from information given to me by one of my many Green cousins!) I have her father as a Hugh Ward, born around 1840/41 in County Armagh. He shows up in Lochmaben for the 1901 census, but that's all the info I have. Help anyone? Does anyone know if he was indeed the father?
Thanks in advance, and feel free to email me!
Claire