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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: jaymac on Monday 23 June 08 08:36 BST (UK)
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Hello All
I am trying to trace the origins of my family that came to Liverpool in the Latter half of the 1800s. The information i have is as follows :
John Mcdonough born ca 1800, he had a son Patrick born Mayo ca 1823 who married Ellen Walsh (Welsh) born Mayo ca 1825. They had three sons John born Derryfad ca 1854, Patrick born Derryfad ca 1855 and Michael born Derryfad ca 1860. They also had a daughter Helena born ca 1850 it is thought that she died in Mayo before the family came to Liverpool.
As i am new to tracing my Irish roots i would appreciate any advice about how to go about locating these births and marriage or indeed if somebody is in a position to search records i would appreciate your help.
Much obliged
John Mcloughlin
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Civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages began 1864 (from 1845 for other marriages). For earlier dates you need to check church records (if they exist).
LDS online catalogue (www.familysearch.org) has some records microfilmed and it's worth checking there if you know where the family lived in Ireland.
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Thank you very much for the information, now i know where to start.
Regards John
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If anyone is interested in this McDonough /McDonagh family, or is related to them, please let me know. I have a cousin , now elderly, whose mother was descended from the family mentioned and I have been trying to make sense of some info he received from another relation, Celia. He would love to know more.
Thanks for reading this.
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I think Derryfad is probably this townland
https://www.logainm.ie/en/35582 Derryfadda
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https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=1728&county=&civilparish=Addergoole
Church registers IF they were R.C.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0736 Addergoole
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Welcome to RootsChat, Joney. I checked jaymac's profile - last time on RootsChat was 10 years ago.
If you want some help in sorting out information about a particular member of the family, post what you already know and RootsChatters could have a go. There may be more information available than when jaymac posted his original enquiry.
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Thanks, hallmark. They were definitely Catholics. I have found them in Liverpool census entries, starting off in Sawney Pope Street with all marriages and baptisms in local Catholic churches.
Apparently a relation went to the Mayo Heritage Centre years ago and a parish in Ireland was suggested, but it's one of those that were not filmed. I will have to get the paperwork out to find the name. Michael was baptised in a neighbouring parish that was filmed, however.
I'll be back to this shortly with the details.
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The neighbouring parish Registers can be got by just clicking on them in the Map here
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0736 Addergoole
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This is what the South Mayo Family Research Centre came up with.
They reckoned the RC parish was Crossboyne and Tagheen. They found a Patrick McDonagh married Ellen Walsh on 5th March 1843. Patrick's date of birth can be estimated by his age shown as 48 on the 1871 census in Liverpool, so they conclude he was born around 1823.
There were 3 sons. First John, baptised 25th July 1852 in the same parish. Godparents Pat Walsh and Mary Caw.
Second Patrick, baptised 4th March 1855, godparents James McArdle and Catherine Cunnane also in the same parish. Third son, Michael McDonagh baptised 1st June 1860, godparents Patrick Walsh and Judy Duignan. This third child was baptised in Kilcommon RC parish.
The townlands in this area they think most likely are Derryfada Lower and Derryfada Upper, within the parish of Tagheen on Griffith's Valuation.
The family first show up in Liverpool on the 1871 census. Ellen Walsh has died by then, so Patrick, the father of the family who was born around 1823, has already remarried in Liverpool on 23rd September 1868. The new wife is Mary Joyce .This second marriage certificate shows Patrick's father as John McDonagh.
I think it was the South Mayo people who came up with the name 'Derryfad', rather than it being a family tradition that they were from that particular place.