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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: Dave Michael on Sunday 22 June 08 12:00 BST (UK)
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I am researching Henry and Leah Norah Folland of Black Pill Swansea, who, after moving from Glanamman in Carmarthenshire, gave their former home to the community as a cottage hospital. Henry Folland was originally from Waunarlwydd (so I'm informed) and Mrs Folland was Leah Norah Thomas, daughter of the baptist minister at Penclawdd.
I gather that their son, Dudley Croft Folland was a racing driver.
I have created a webpage with the information which I have gathered so far, but any further information would be most welcome.
http://www.cwmammanhistory.co.uk/Amman_Valley_History/People_of_Cwmamman/people_pages/Henry_Folland.htm
Many Thanks,
Dave Michael.
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What sheer coincidence that I read your posting on Roots last night regarding the Follands, and tonight I have read a Centenary booklet for York Place Baptist Church Swansea in which Mrs Henry Folland is mentioned. The re-opening of the Chapel after renovations, was performed by Mrs Folland, J.P. (LLwynderw) on Thursday December 5th 1929. A report of the proceedings appeared in the Cambria Daily Leader on December 6th.
Reference was made of the fact that her father had preached there 40 years ago.
After the Mayor's tribute, Mrs Folland made a speech in which she said "the greatest menace to the Christian Church was the growth of secularism, and a growing disregard for the sanctity of the Sabbath. The result was that there were decreased attendances at Divine Worship, and a growing desire to turn the Lord's Day into a holiday, and not a holy day; a day for organised games with music in the parks rather than a day of worship!!!! . . . ." etc.
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Hello Dave
How interesting to see a picture of Ty Llwyd Glanamman we went to the house only last year to buy a twin tub washing machine which the people who were living there at the time were selling as they were moving. We travelled up from Cardiff .
We were trying to describe the house to our family as we were very intrigued by it and wondered about its history.
Thank you very much
Sylvia
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Thank you Welshgirl for that information; very interesting. Thanks also to Slyvia for your feedback on Ty Llwyd.
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Here's a Swansea Folland who was killed in the Great War. Any family link?
http://swanseabattalion.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=126&Itemid=60
Bernard
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Thanks Bernard, I'll investigate that one.
Dave
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Dudley Folland was my uncle
He married his second wife my aunty Betty (my mums sister )in the 60s They had a son who I am sure will be very interested in your info
Dudley was also a major in the army and served a period of time in Tripoli
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Hi Jennyrob,
Thanks for the info, very interesting. I'd love to hear from his son. Are you in contact with him?
Best Wishes,
Dave
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I have e mailed my cousin so I hope to hear from him soon He might be on holidays
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Hello David Michael - I've just been sent your Roots.chat stuff about Henry and Lilly Folland ... I am Dudley Folland's daughter (so, obviously, Henry and Lilly's grandaughter). My mother was Joy Hooper and was the first wife of Dudley. I never knew my grandfather and was only 9 when my grandmother died, but I remember visiting my grandmother when she lived in the Lodge at Llwynderw before she died at my aunt's house in Surrey. I have the oil painting portraits of my grandparents of which the identical ones graced the hospital in Glanamman (it used to be called the Folland Hospital). Any way, would like to hear from you if you felt like it.
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Can I deviate somewhat from the original subject of this thread?
My grandfather was called Henry Whitfield Williams and the family story is that he was a protege of Henry Folland. My grandparents lived in Newton and I believe that Mrs Folland was my mother's godmother. I have no relatives left to check the validity of this information but I understand that my grandfather was the company secretary for the steel works (but I'm not sure which one). I'm fairly certain that he accompanied Mr Folland on a business trip to India at some time.
My grandfather left Newton some time in the 1930s and went to London where he was a director of a company called British Aero Pipe and Glass who, I think, made canopies for Spitfires. Unfortunately he died very suddenly at the age of 48.
I would be very grateful if anyone could give me more information about any of the above - was he really the company secretary? Which steel works was it? Has anyone heard of British Aero Pipe and Glass? I've checked all of the usual places and can find no record of the company.
Keeping my fingers crossed!!
Sara
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Hi Sara,
If your Grandfather and Henry Folland were close associates, then it is likely that he would have attended Henry Folland's funeral. Sometimes local newspapers would list some of the more prominent people who attended a funeral and who they were eg: John Jones, manager of so and so works. I'm wondering whether you'd find some clues in either the Cambrian or Western Mail archives from Swansea Library. I'm not sure when he was buried unfortunately as he died in Egypt on 24th March 1926, and his remains were brought back to Swansea for internment.
Likewise, your mum may have attended Mrs Follands funeral which took place on 21st March 1957 and the same papers may hold some clues for you. Both are buried at Oystermouth cemetery.
I have checked our local newspaper archives and I'm afraid that on this occasion, the funerals were not covered. Good Luck with your research.
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The Institute of Chartered Secretaries and Administrators is based at 16 Park Crescent London. It might have a record of your family member if he qualified as a company secretary.
Bernard
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Thanks for the excellent suggestion David. I found a report of the memorial service in the South Wales Daily Post for 30th March 1926. My grandfather is listed in the mourners as Mr Whitfield Williams - Mr Folland's private secretary. So, the family story does not appear to be quite right. I shall try to investigate further.
Sara
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I have a "lost" relative Henry W Williams who seems to have been Henry Whitfield, born in Carmarthen about 1886. Mother Letitia Davies, father Thomas Williams. Was this person the Folland secretary? I am trying to compile a family history!
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My name is Nigel Thomas and I am the grandson of Granville Thomas (who was Lily's brother). My father (now deceased was his son).
I can remember walking round the grounds of Llwynderw when I must have been about 10 years old. I am 50 now. It must have been a convalescent home then, which was why we didn't go inside I suppose. My father showed me the stable where they would have kept the Arab stallion, and also the outer building where the Egyptian servant slept.
My mother still has some framed tapestries of Llwynderw.
Thanks Dave, a really interesting webpage.
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Hello Nigel - I am so happy to have seen your message. I am the granddaughter of Henry and Leonora. I knew that Thomas Folland had three children, your father, my grandmother and another daughter... but I knew nothing about the families. I would love to get in touch with you and find out about your families, and any other members of our family. Perhaps you are in touch with my cousin? She is the daughter of *, * (my father)'s sister. My exmail address is (*) and I would really love to hear from you, so do get in touch if you want. Would love to hear from you.
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Nigel directed me to this website. He is my brother, and as grandchildren of Granville, Henry and Leah Norah Folland are our Great Uncle and Aunt, and Dudley is an uncle. I too remember visiting Llwynderw and being impressed by the gardens. We also have a photograph showing a very elegant 1920's family wedding at Llwynderw, all in full regalia; my guess is that it was taken in the orangery. Fascinating!
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While doing look-ups for Rootschat at the library today I came across a newspaper report of the wedding of Pattie Folland daughter of Lily printed on the 23rd Sept 1930.
If you don't already have it PM me with your e-mail address and I'll send it on.
Bev.
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The newspaper report on Patti Folland's wedding was fascinating. To think that they even had a gift from David Lloyd George and his family!
It's not surprising that the Follands were so popular, Mrs Lilly Folland's generosity was legendary after all.
I'm curious though to find out more about one of the guests:
"Miss Eiluned Jenkins of Glanamman, cousin of the bride"
If anyone has any info on this lady, I'd love to hear from them.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread.
Dave
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David Dudley Folland (believed to be one of the sons of Dudley Croft Folland's 1st marriage) died in Thailand in 2009. I worked with David some years back. [Messages welcome] :-)
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Hi Stephen,
50 years ago I went through Sandhurst with David Folland and have only just learned of his tragic death. There is a huge gap in my knowledge of him between about 1965 when, I assume, he left the UK and 2009. If there is anything you can tell me to fill in the blank I would be most grateful.
Mark Robinson
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OK Mark, I'll contact you with a private message. My knowledge is limited to 1992 to 1996 - although I heard some occasional indirect news about David after that date. (The deletions were made here to protect other people's privacy.)
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Responding to the earlier post regarding Henry Whitfield Williams. There is a record of a marriage in 1930 between Pattie Eugenie Folland (daughter of Henry and Leah) and a "William W W Taylor". Might this be the same person?
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The newspaper report on Patti Folland's wedding was fascinating. To think that they even had a gift from David Lloyd George and his family!
It's not surprising that the Follands were so popular, Mrs Lilly Folland's generosity was legendary after all.
I'm curious though to find out more about one of the guests:
"Miss Eiluned Jenkins of Glanamman, cousin of the bride"
If anyone has any info on this lady, I'd love to hear from them.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread.
Dave
[ Hi Dave,
I Can't help you with info on Miss Jenkins, But I can let you know that my grandfather worked for Lilly Folland from about 1932 and his brother before him, possible through the 1920's. The old Llwynderw Drive still exsites, but is delapitated, one gate is still hanging on the pillars at the entrance to the old Llwynderw drive, but has almost rusted away. Lloyd George used this drive many times on his visits to the Follands. I was born in the lodge at the bottom of the drive, and now live in what was the chauffeurs cottage about 50 yards up the drive. My family have lived on the Llwynderw estate since the 1920's. There is much more to say, but I am writing this quick as I've only now, this morning. discovered this site and your interest. Hope I'm doing things in the right way.]
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This is from "The Early Years" a history of Morriston Hospital;
It states that for the Outpatients garden;
"The League of Friends bought a statue of Diana the Huntress from Mrs D Folland's garden at Llwynderw Mansion, West Cross, Swansea. Mrs Folland maintained that this statue once stood in the gardens of Sir Christopher Wren's house"
I am trying to verify this statement - can anyone help please? Anyone who has any documentation etc?
Thank you.
B.
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HELLO. I HAVE TWO OF DUDLEY FOLLANDS EARLY RACE CARS AND WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE MAN WITH REGARD TO HIS RACING/CARS ETC. DID HE HAVE CHILDREN? WOULD THEY BE INTERESTED IN THE CARS TODAY?
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Sorry Just seen last post Yes Dudley had children one being my cousin I will get hold of him and let him know Have you an email Thanks Jen
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Ill post your message to my cousin and come back to you jen
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Did you get my email address?
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No Ill direct message you Jen
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Hello Nigel - I am so happy to have seen your message. I am the granddaughter of Henry and Leonora. I knew that Thomas Folland had three children, your father, my grandmother and another daughter... but I knew nothing about the families. I would love to get in touch with you and find out about your families, and any other members of our family. Perhaps you are in touch with my cousin? She is the daughter of *, * (my father)'s sister. My exmail address is (*) and I would really love to hear from you, so do get in touch if you want. Would love to hear from you.
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Hello, i'll try and make some extra posts so that I can PM you.