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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: teadealer on Sunday 22 June 08 11:29 BST (UK)
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Could anyone help me please to find out who the parents of elizabeth clementina capewell were,she was born about 1847 in Fradswell,I think her mother was a Mira or myra Capewell but no fathers name
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http://www.familysearch.org/
Found a birth for Elizabeth Clementina Capewell and mother was shown as Mirose Capewell but not Mrs so searched just in case for Mirose such an unusal name and found
Mirose Capewell Christening About 09 NOV 1823 Fradswell, Stafford, England
Parents
Father JAMES CAPEWELL Family
Mother ELIZABETH
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1841 census
Mira is at home with parents
HO107; Piece 994 Folio: 3; Page: 1
Will paste if you don't have Ancestry
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1851 Mira still at home with parents and Clementina down as grandaughter :)
Source HO107; Piece: 1999; Folio: 742; Page: 12
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Thanks Irret
Yes I had seen that,but what I had thought it could have been an illigitimate birth there being no father's name mentioned,I shall have to at the parish records when I can get to the archive dept.
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Yes I agree an illegitimate birth. :o
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Hi
The shame of it,and my grandmother as well.
Cheers
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Hi teadealer,
Mirose Capewell went on to marry John Greaves in 1857. In 1861, they were resident at the Bulls Head, Newcastle, staffs, where John was the publican. As you may know already, they had 2 children, Frederick (b1860) and Mary Elizabeth (b1861). Mirose was widowed & with her 1st daughter - your ancestor - in Newcastle in 1901. She died in 1910 and was buried in Fradswell churchyard. Her grave inscription reads:
In loving memory of MIROSE widow of late John Greaves of Newcastle-under-Lyme and youngest daughter of James and Elizabeth Capewell of Doglands Farm who died April 11th 1910 age 86 years.
Rest in Peace
Mirose/Mira/Myra became a popular name amongst the Capewells, though I think your great-grandmother was the first. To save you the trip, I've seen the parish record - and, yes, Elizabeth Clementina was illegitimate.
Hope this helps!
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Hi
Are these of any use to you. Buried at Fradswell
James CAPEWELL, 2nd Jan 1831, 76
Sarah, w, 16th Dec 1841, 89
Elizabeth, w/o James CAPEWELL,
Late of Dogland Farm, 11th August 1862, 76
James above, 14th Dec [looks like1863], 77
Edmund, s, 7th Jan 1832, 1yr & 8 months
A devoted sister,
Dorothy May CAPEWELL, 7th May 1988, 70
Henry CAPEWELL, 6th Nov 1957, 76
Emily Gertrude, w, 27th August 1961, 79
Walter Ronald CAPEWELL, 18th April 1996, 79
s/o Henry & Gertrude of Fradswell
John William CAPEWELL,
6th March 1925 - 12th April 1992
Margaret Elizabeth CAPEWELL,
12th March 1934 - 18th Nov 1994
Nellie CAPEWELL 27th Feb 1980, 75
Arthur, h, 9th Dec 1987, 85
Harriet CAPEWELL 18 June 1940, 45
Edward CAPEWELL, 22 April 1966, 77
William CAPEWELL, 10 March 1965, 70
Lydia CAPEWELL
Of Hartley Green, 20 Feb 1955, 81
John James CAPEWELL, brother
15 Feb 1964, 80
Albert Henry CAPEWELL, 20 Feb 1968, 62
Isabella, w, 30 March 1974, 66
Separate Memorial, same Grave
Cyril Henry CAPEWELL, 1927 - 2002
Alf
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Thanks alf
Much oblidged for that information,I have been trying to find out a lot more about the Elizabeth Clementina Capewell my Grandmother,I had a feeling that she was related to the Capewell's of Dogland Farm,there seems to be a lot of Capewells there.
Peter
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Hi Cicely
That information was brill,I take it that the two chilren mentioned are John Greaves children?
It has cleared up a lot of empty spaces on my database,not having a car now does restrict me qiute a lot,I gave up driving after a serious road accident.
Anyway many thanks
Peter
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It's a pleasure!
Frederick & Mary Elizabeth were the children of John & Mirose. I've found the family in 1871 in Newcastle, where Frederick's full name is given as Frederick Sparkes Greaves (born in Penkhull), his sister Elizabeth was born in Newcastle & there's another child too: John Jarvis Greaves age 6 born in Newcastle. Myra/Mirose's niece, Elizabeth Timmis age 21, was also staying with the family (she was the daughter of Mirose's sister, Elizabeth).
Of the other grave inscriptions from Fradswell churchyard that Alf has collected, Elizabeth & James (as you have deduced) were Mirose's parents, Edmund John being their youngest child. And James & Sarah Capewell were her grandparents. There were a lot of Capewells in the Fradswell/Milwich area in the 19th Century - it can all get rather confusing!
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Hi,
I too am related to the Fradswell/Milwich Capewells. Every where else in the country people say I have an unusual surname - but not in that area!!
My 'problem' is that my great grandfather was also illegitimate (oh the shame!). However his mother actually named the father on his birth cert - they both promptly disappeared off the face of the earth and my ggrandfather seems to have been brought up by his uncle.
He was William b1873 Milwich
Mother was Hannah b1848 Milwich
Father was Charles Moreton (I know no more).
I have Hannah in 1851, 61 and 71. I may have found her in 81, 91 and 1901 but she is a few years younger so I am not convinced.
I have not found a marriage or death for her.
I have not found Charles at all anywhere!
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Anne
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Sorry to intrude as this really isn't quite the topic but has anyone heard of a Nanette Capewell? She was a friend of mine during the 1960s.
You never know! ;)
Judy
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Hi Anne
My Grandmother was an Elizabeth Clementina Capewell born Fradswell 1847,her mother was Mirose Capewell.
I have got to go off line now will spaek to you later.
Peter
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Hi Peter.
I realise this is an old thread now. But as your ancestor is a relative of mine also I thought Id chip in.
My ancestors also came from Dogland's Farm. Then later Dog croft farm?
My line from James & Elizabeth....
They had a son also called Thomas c1811. (Brother of Mirose)
Who had a son called James Yates Capewell c1837
Who had a son called Thomas c1870
Who had a daughter called Nellie c1903 (my grandmother)
Which I think makes you my cousin (3r)?? lol
I find theres a few unusual names in the Capewell family. Nellie had a brother called Carlos which I always thought was quite unusual. Theres a few very mediteranean sounding names dotted about the capewells in the 19th century. I wondered if it was due to the travelling back and forth to America to see relatives and the friends they must have encountered on the way.
Some of the Capewells did return back from the USA, such as my GG Gramps James Yates Capewell for instance. In fact he is listed in "The First Annual Genealogical and Heraldic Report on The Capewell Family", by Clarence L. Capewell, issued July 21, 1906" on page 46 as MISSING - John Yates Capewell It states he emigrated to America in 1856 with an uncle who was names Yates. Which explains his middle name, and his missing status on the 1861 census! But he returns to marry in 1867. He ended up in Cookshill, Caverswall (Staffs) which is the village I live in.
Due to an unfortunate accident I have no pictures of any of my ancestors. So I wondered if you had any pictures of your grandmother (my 3X great Aunt Mirose) Or any other Fradswell Capewells I could do a scan of?
Id be very greatful.
Kind regards.
Mike
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Hello Mike
Sorry I have not any photos,like yourself I would like to have some.I see that you live in caverswall,I live in kidsgrove not a million miles apart.
My grandmother Elizabeth was the illigitimate daughter of Mirose,when my grandfather married Elizabeth,she was living with her mother at the Old bulls Head in newcastle,after she lived at 6 The Ironmarket.
Cheers for now
Peter