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Help required from down under please.
George Hood according to his marriage certificate was aged 24 in 1914 and born in Burwood NSW.
His death record in 1969 shows his age as 80 and born in Auburn NSW. These two records would indicate a birth year of 1889/90. His parents were George Hood and Jane Golding/Samson/Low? However, I cannot find his birth anywhere in NSW. His father George had married in England in 1856 but George appears to have left his wife between 1871(uk census) and 1887 when he married Jane in Liverpool NSW. When his son George records his death in 1915 it is shown there were two children born, George and one female deceased. Again no female recorded in NSW with the parents George/Jane. What I have found are two births. George Smith(1890-Goulburn and Jane Smith 1892 -Lampton both of whom have the parents George/Jane Any chance someone could try and check out these two records for me as I think he was trying to cover his tracks a little. George was either a Painter or Boilermaker if that helps at all.
Any help would be fantastic.
John Hood
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Hi John
A quick reply - the only way you could check details on any bdm registration is to either purchase the certificate or a transcription of same from a transcription agent listed on the NSW bdm website
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm#TranscriptionAgent
I believe you can request that only certain details are checked for a reduced fee...full transcription is about $16/17.
Cheers
cando
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John I have the 1903 NSW Electoral Roll on disk and your George HOOD with wife Jane were not enrolled under that name...or didn't bother to enrol.
Cheers
Cando
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cando,
George and Jane it would appear were in Collingwood Victoria and appear on the 1909 and 1914 electoral registers there. Why he appears to die in NSW IN 1915 NOT SURE ABOUT. It could be Jane died 1914/15 and he went to live with his son?
Thanks for help so far.
John
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Hello there John
Did you get the marriage certificate for George Hood and Jane Golding?
If so am assuming it is the right George Hood?
It is a little strange that the two children are not recorded under Hood when he married under that name.
I am asking this question because I did wonder if perhaps the parents didn't marry as he was allready married and there is no divorce record for him in NSW If they didn't marry perhaps the children are registered under her name?
Did his death recorded him as being a painter? Do you know when Jane died at all?
regards Jenn
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Jenn,
GEORGE DID MARRY JANE IN 1887 IN LIVERPOOL NSW. IT IS ALSO RECORDED THAT HE WAS A PAINTER. THE EARLIEST I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TRACK HIS SON GEORGE THROUGH ELECTORAL REGISTERS IS 1914 WHEN HE APPEARS WITH HIS WIFE ADA AND HIS OCCUPATION IS WOOD MACHINIST. IF HE WAS BORN 1889/90 THEN THE EARLIEST I AM LIKELY TO FIND HIM IS AROUND 1911 AND POSSIBLY WITH HIS PARENTS IN COLLINGWOOD VICTORIA OR AROUND THE MARRICKVILLE AREA IN NSW AND SUSPECT HE WAS STILL A WOOD MACHINIST. ANY HELP YOU GUYS CAN OFFER WILL BE GOOD. FORGOT, DO NOT KNOW WHEN JANE DIED BUT CERTAINLY AFTER 1914 WHEN SHE APPEARS WITH GEORGE ON THE 1914 ELECTORAL REG IN COLLINGWOOD AT 61 DIGHT ST.
JOHN
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Hello there John
I have searched Victoria for births but not there as well as Qld. I guess they may not have been registered.
regards Jenn
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cando,
George and Jane it would appear were in Collingwood Victoria and appear on the 1909 and 1914 electoral registers there. Why he appears to die in NSW IN 1915 NOT SURE ABOUT. It could be Jane died 1914/15 and he went to live with his son?
Thanks for help so far.
John
Are you sure you have found your couple as
Australian Electoral Rolls 1900-1936
1903
HOOD George 61 Dight Street, Collingwood Occ Painter
HOOD Jane 61 Dight Street, Collingwood Home duties
HOOD Alfred 61 Dight Street, Collingwood Occ Painter
1909 As above but minus Alfred
1914 As above
Death
HOOD Jane with father Henry HINSON and mother Mary ELLIOTT Aged 69 years in 1916 at Carlton North Ref#9346
1919
HOOD George 30 Wills Street, Box Hill Occ Painter
1924 Ditto
Their marriage
HOOD George
HINSON Jane
1865 Reg# 1006
and the birth of the above Alfred mentioned on the 1903 Roll
HOOD Alfred Hinson
Father:George Mother Jane HINSON
at Collingwood in 1874 Reg# 14788
Between 1865 and 1885 this couple had 14 chn.
Not your George and Jane HOOD. There were other HOOD names in the Collingwood area on the early electoral rolls. More family I suspect.
Cheers
Cando
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From
Sands Directories Sydney - 1933
1903 HOOD George Princes Street, Granville
1904 HOOD George Princes Ave, Concord
1905 - 1916 HOOD George Princes Street, Granville
Death
1915 Reg#12223 HOOD George Father Samuel Mother Bessie at Granville.
1916 - 1923 HOOD George View Street, Marrickville
The only Jane HOOD death on the NSW indexes between 1889/1890 and 1977
1931 Reg# 13307 HOOD Jane B Father John and Mother Elizabeth at Burwood.
These two Georges seem more likely candidates. May I ask what are your sources for George Snr's occupations?
Cheers
Cando
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Hi John,
Cando has clearly shown that the Victorian HOODs are a 'red herring'.
I have a peripheral interest in this because a great-aunt of mine (Jessie May HACKING) married a son (Frederick HOOD) of George HOOD & Jane HINSON.
It would seem to be very helpful if you could indicate what are known facts (with sources) and what are assumptions/speculations...
Perhaps, as a first step, it might help RootsChatters to help you if you were to post the details from:
*the 1887 marriage cert of George HOOD snr & Jane GOLDING
*the 1915 death cert of George HOOD snr (apart from medical details!)
and perhaps (though you might feel that this is a bit too recent?)
*the 1969 death cert of George HOOD junior.
Best of luck,
JAP
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Cando/Jenn/Jap
Firstly would like to thank you for blowing this connection out the water. It has always been a thorn in my research. As suggested i have now put down for you guys to see where and how I went up this blind ally.
3/3/1887 Liverpool NSW-married in the Manse Liverpool
George Hood (widower)marries Jane Golding(spinster)-no parents recorded.
George's occupation PAINTER-Jane's occupation Governess in Deaf & Dumb Asylum.
18/8/1915
George Hood dies aged 91 in Princes Street Granville-occupation PAINTER. Parents Samuel & Bessie
The death was recorded by his son George Hood aged 25 of View Street Marrickville. Aslo shown on cert is that George (Sen) was born in Lancashire and married Jane Golding in Liverpool NSW. Children of marriage were George and 1 female deceased.
This is where I went wrong with the George and Jane in Collingwood as he was a painter as well!!!
George Hood (JUNIOR) Now is this the son???
George Hood (aged 24) wood machinist marries Ada Ethel Carnwell milliner (aged 29)-14.2.1914 St Clements Church Marrickville. GEORGES parents George Hood-boilermaker and Jane Samson.
Born Burwood Sydney. Usual address Marrickville.
George Hood dies aged 80-wood machinist of 38 Kitchener Road Earlwood. Place of birth Auburn NSW. Death is recorded by his son Roy Hood aged 50 of 15 Lucerne Ave Merrylands. Roy also confirms his father married Ada Carnwell in Marrickville and that children were Roy and Harold(48) However, he records his fathers parents as "unknown Hood" and Jane Low.
With all the help of you patient rooters can we link these two Georges in any way??
John
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well John as there were only two George HOODS mentioned in the Sands Directories.... my thoughts... George Snr was definitely the one at Princes St...suburb named changed a couple of times...and son George at Marrickville. And as I have said so often - information on death certs only as good as the knowledge of the informant.
Who were the witnesses on George Jnr marriage cert?
Cheers
Cando
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Cando,
The witnesses were a Sidney James Taylor & Rose Anna Higgins-not much use I think.
I like you am sure that the two you found are mine but no evidence of births for George junior or sister or definate link to George senior.
Just as a side line, George seniors brother was a John Riley Hood, a famous Australian artists painter
and his son Samuel John has left the Nation Museum in Sydney over 20000 early photographs of Australia in her early days.
John
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George Hood (aged 24) wood machinist marries Ada Ethel Carnwell milliner (aged 29)-14.2.1914 St Clements Church Marrickville. GEORGES parents George Hood-boilermaker and Jane Samson.
Born Burwood Sydney. Usual address Marrickville.
John the information on the Marriage certificate as you no doubt realise is supplied by the bride and groom so you would have to assume they knew the "facts" of their own situation but then again people often lie.
Cando you have asked my next question ;)
3/3/1887 Liverpool NSW-married in the Manse Liverpool
George Hood (widower)marries Jane Golding(spinster)-no parents recorded.
George's occupation PAINTER-Jane's occupation Governess in Deaf & Dumb Asylum
this is interesting as he states he s a widower Do you know if his wife back in England had died by then?
I am hoping someone with the 1903 electoral roll for NSW may see this post and add in where they all were, could help as should say occupation
Jenn
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Jenn I have looked at my disc of the 1903 NSW electoral roll and George and Jane are not enrolled.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi again John,
I am wondering what proof you have that artist John Riley HOOD (of London, South Australia and Sydney) was a brother of your George snr? - just to ensure that further blind alleys are avoided :) . I note that George snr was supposed to have been born in Lancashire whereas Googling indicates that John was born in Reading, Berkshire.
The following might be relevant:
A Charles GOLDING married a Mary A WHITNEY in NSW in
1857.
A Jane GOLDING was born in Liverpool NSW 1858, parents Charles & Mary A.
A Jane LOW died 1945, Auburn NSW, parents Charles & Mary Ann.
JAP
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Cando/Jap,
John Riley Hood was born in Derby on the 2.5.1841 and appears on the 1841 uk census with his parents Samuel and Elizabeth,brothers William, George, and twin brother James. By 1851 his father Samuel is living with another woman called Matilda with whom he has had a further two children and John is with them. By 1861 John is with his mother Elizabeth in London-artist painter born Derby.John being a very good artist was sent to Paris to develope his artistic natures with a view to going into the family business of designing ornamental railings and ballastrads. However, being over qualified he was commissioned by a French Drawing house to go to Adelaide Australia and work there. There he met Mary Martha Hubbe and had four sons. Mary died in 1881. John re-married a widow Ruth Wright nee' Dollman and had a furtherfour children with her. The Google ref is rather misleading and I believe is taken from when a book that was written about John. His father Samuel lived in Reading and died there in 1900 aged 94. John is also mentioned in his uncles will in 1893-a William Hood who was mayor and also lived in Reading. This research is bomb proof.
As for George's first wife her name was Anne Murch. After Georges disapperance between 1861-71 she appears on the uk census in1881/91/1901-all as a widow. It appears George went to Australia between 1861-71 same time as his brother John. Hope this is not to long winded and possibly a litte interesting.
Keep asking me awkward questions guys as I may well be missing something.
John
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Hi John -
Found that most interesting....
Cheers
Cando
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Cando,
The George Hood you found between 1905-16 at Princes Street. Is this on electoral reg and does it give his occupation.
John
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The information is from a Sands Directory....address only.
Cheers
Cando
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Well now John if you feel for certain that John and George are definately brothers then perhaps they arrived together in South Australia? Is there details out there for John Hood's arrival........I note I couldn't google anything with Riley as a middle name just came up as John Hood. Could not see his death in NSw allthough plenty of websites had when he died?
Cando is John Riley Hood's death registered in SA?
rgards Jenn
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No Jenn nothing in SA but in NSW - the only John HOOD registration between 1920 and 1927 - there are only 3, with father Samuel. Nothing at all in 1924.
10685/1926
HOOD JOHN R
Father Samuel
84 YRS Mental Hospital Ryde
What do you think...father's name is correct.
Cheers
Cando
Edit - No John HOOD death reg in South Australia between 1915 and 1935.
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A couple of links to read -
http://www.daao.org.au/main/read/3318
http://www.artgallery.sa.gov.au/noye/Colorist/Hood_j.htm
Australian Electoral Roll 1903 NSW
HOOD John 108 Wigram Road, Forest Lodge Occ Artist
HOOD John 143 Darby Road, Honeysuckle Point Occ Artist
John's son mentioned in the above articles
HOOD Samuel John 256 Pitt Street, Sydney Photographer
Cheers
cando
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Hello there
John, have you got a funeral notice for George Hood died in 1915
perhaps the notice may hold further clues for you.
George Hood was born in 1824C
marries for the second time in 1887 and has two children one is George Jnr born 1890c but no trace of registered births
now that would then have George Senior as 66 years old when young George is born
Is that all correct John
if it is Jane Golding/Low ? would have had to have been a lot younger anywhere between 15 and 50 to have had children, so she might have remarried?
regards Jenn
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18461/1919 Ruth Hood. Father Alexander, Mother Harriet. Mosman
Sue
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Sorry to be jumping about - trying to establish when and where George arrived in Australia.
http://www.artgallery.sa.gov.au/noye/Colorist/Hood_j.htm
http://www.daao.org.au/main/read/3318
John the article by the Art Gallery of SA refers to announcement in the newspaper the Register and it appears that John HOOD arrived in South Australia 1867/68, We need someone to do a lookup of the shipping records in that period...unfortunately nothing online.
Pity the author of the article on the Dictionary of Australian Artists didn't reference her source for his emigration in 1863... I would take the Register reference to his impending arrival in 1867 and stating he had commenced work in Jan 1868 as being accurate.
The only way we are going to find out if the brothers arrived in Adelaide together is a look at the shipping record in 1867 early 1868.
Cheers
cando
Edit - Noticed that Sue and the marriages etc all noted in SA....checked in case a George HOOD may have married and had chn in SA...nothing.
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John Riley Hood was born in Derby on the 2.5.1841 and appears on the 1841 uk census with his parents Samuel and Elizabeth,brothers William, George, and twin brother James. By 1851 his father Samuel is living with another woman called Matilda with whom he has had a further two children and John is with them. By 1861 John is with his mother Elizabeth in London-artist painter born Derby.John being a very good artist was sent to Paris to develope his artistic natures with a view to going into the family business of designing ornamental railings and ballastrads. However, being over qualified he was commissioned by a French Drawing house to go to Adelaide Australia and work there. There he met Mary Martha Hubbe and had four sons. Mary died in 1881. John re-married a widow Ruth Wright nee' Dollman and had a furtherfour children with her. The Google ref is rather misleading and I believe is taken from when a book that was written about John. His father Samuel lived in Reading and died there in 1900 aged 94. John is also mentioned in his uncles will in 1893-a William Hood who was mayor and also lived in Reading. This research is bomb proof.
Hi John, yes the story of John Riley HOOD is certainly interesting - I'd not heard of him before. Incidentally, when I Googled him yesterday, I found quite a lot of references - including at least one which indicated that the information in published accounts was, at least in part, defective. That indeed seemed to be the case when I then had a quick check of censuses, FreeBMD and the NSW BMD.
As for George's first wife her name was Anne Murch. After Georges disapperance between 1861-71 she appears on the uk census in1881/91/1901-all as a widow. It appears George went to Australia between 1861-71 same time as his brother John. Hope this is not to long winded and possibly a litte interesting.
That's certainly interesting.
Keep asking me awkward questions guys as I may well be missing something.
Well, John, you asked for it :) ::)
1. It would be really good to see proof positive that George HOOD who married Jane GOLDING is the same person as George HOOD who married Anne MURCH and is the brother of John Riley HOOD.
Please understand that I'm not saying that they are not all one and the same person - just that, as far as I can see, there doesn't yet seem to be any clinching evidence.
A pity that Mayor William did not make a bequest to George!
2. The 1841 census did not give relationships. So, unless you have marriage and birth information from other sources, there's no proof that Eliza was Samuel's wife, or that William, George, and twins James & John were sons of Samuel. Of course, it's very very likely that they were (and especially as a John appears as Samuel's 9yo son in 1851) but I always think it a good idea to try to avoid assumptions.
3. Now a really awkward question.
If your George's age (91) at death in 1915 was correct, this gives a birth year of ca 1824.
However, the George whom you mentioned in the 1841 census was aged 7 i.e. a birth year of ca 1834.
You did not mention ages on the marriage cert of your George & Jane GOLDING - I take it they were not listed?
Also, you did not make any reference to anything on George's death cert which might indicate how long he'd been in Australia (perhaps NSW doesn't have this info?).
Cando's Jenn's suggestion of looking for a 1915 death/funeral notice is a good one.
4. Do you have a copy of the marriage cert of a George HOOD & an Anne MURCH in 1856 - might have relevant information?
Well, that will do for now ...
All the very best,
JAP
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John/All,
I wonder whether anyone has any comments about the following?
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The following might be relevant:
A Charles GOLDING married a Mary A WHITNEY in NSW in
1857.
A Jane GOLDING was born in Liverpool NSW 1858, parents Charles & Mary A.
A Jane LOW died 1945, Auburn NSW, parents Charles & Mary Ann.
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I haven't found an appropriate marriage of a Jane to a LOW - perhaps there wasn't a formal marriage. But at least it is a possible LOW/GOLDING connexion.
I guess the death certificate might help.
Here are a couple of electoral roll entries:
1930
Jane LOW 44 Trongate St Granville, home duties
1936
Jane LOW 29 Kihillah Rd, Auburn North, no occupation.
I haven't yet found any connexion to SAMSON.
JAP
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From the Rookwood cd
John R Hood age 85 DOD: 27 May 1926 (different to the published article) Inscription reads "Husb of above"
Ruth Hood age 65 DOD: 27 August 1919 Inscription reads "Our Mother"
Anglican Sec.6 Row 5 Grave 1039
If I get a chance tomorrow I will check SA shipping for their arrival
Cazay
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Birth
11067/1889 Hood Dorothy . F. John. M. Ruth Glebe
"Inscription reads "Our Mother""
Maybe one.
Sue
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Yes, here is Dorothy's death.
25479/1964 Jones Dorothy Ruth, Mother Ruth. Father John Riley Bowral.
Sue
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JAP
re the Low information you had posted I also had a look for a marriage and there was few Jane's to a Low but not Golding or Sampson/samson
My thoughts were just might be a sheer coincidence of parents names, as they were the names of the day.
I must agree somewhat with JAP as not not making too many assumptions without a few hardd facts.
I find George's age a bit worrying to be young George's father but not impossible what is anyone else's comments on that?
A look at the funeral notice would surely be very benificial it wouldn't be too hard for John given he has a date to go by
Cazay that will be also helpfull if you do happen to find the Hood Bros arrival together
kind regards Jenn
rgards Jenn
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I realise that John HOOD is not the main subject of your research but thought you may be interested in a photo of him.
http://www.artgallery.sa.gov.au/noye/Quick/Quickset.htm
Scroll down the page.
Terra
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Terra
that is a very good link all those photos very nice for their families to have.
regards Jenn
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Jap,
You are on the ball!. Further down I have put some further info. Your views on George seniors death I have pondered on before because as you correctly say he would have fathered George Junior at the age of 65/66. I strongly believe the death record to have his age 10 years out PLACING HIS BIRTH AT 1834. The death cert shows he had been in NSW 50 putting his arrival c1865-very similar time as John. Georges marriage record to Ann in1856 does have his uncle William(mayor) and aunt Elizabeth as witnesses. Whilst this does not confirm the George in Australia is John's brother there would appear to be too much circumstatial evidence against it not being. I fully agree that unless one can prove a point it does leave doubt that does not always sit comfortably.
1. Samuel Hood married Elizabeth Ryley 11.5.1830 in Stafford
2. Henry 1831 Bolton. William 1833 Bolton,George 1834 Bolton,Harrison 1836 Bolton, Mary Eliza 1839 Bolton
3. Twins John/James Hood born 2.5.1841 St Werburgh Dearby--same place as 1841 census.
4. Georges age not on first or second marriage certs-full age.
My ancestors that went to Australia were a deceitful lot. Transpires another Samuel Hood went via NZ to Australia having been married in the uKand left wife behind. changed his name to Hood-Hammond and had a daughter Joan Hilda who went on to be one of Australias leading opera singers-but thats another story. You guys have been so helpful and I feel as if I am wasting your time as there are little bits that do not quite tie up. The one thing I would love to close is the connection between George senior and George junior. Speak soon unless you have had enough of me.
John
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Cando/Jenn/Jap
I have sat for the last four hours facinated in reading other postings and all the help you have given people. You really are stars in this research game. In reading some of your replies do you think the George Hood who died in 1915 may have left a will. It may be I can get this and possibly answer some questions.
John
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http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/staterecords/welcome_to_state_records_nsw_1556.asp
this link is to The State Records Office of NSW if you search you will find Deceased Estates but no George Hood.
Most large libraries have copies of the Syndey Morning Herald where you could search for a funeral notice for your George Hood.
Have you located the grave of George Hood senior? does that give any clues at all? Sometimes a headstone inscription can be helpfull ie. loving father of ....
Jenn
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Have yuo located the grave of George Hood senior? does that give any clues at all? Sometimes a headstone inscription can be helpfull ie. loving father of ....Jenn
Place of burialshould be on the death cert. which John has.
Sue
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Good point Sue ;)
Jenn
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Hi John
The death cert shows he had been in NSW 50 putting his arrival c1865-very similar time as John. Reply# 34 - John
I have checked the Biographical Index of South Australians 1836 - 1885 - containing approx 100,000 entries of South Australian who were born or arrived in the colony during this period. Usually if there is a shipping record available, the date and ship are noted in the persons data. No such date for the two entries for John HOOD. This possibly means that he entered Australia via Melbourne or Sydney and sailed by coastal vessel to Adelaide. However according to the data on the Art Gallery of SA website which cites the newspaper of the day the "Register" as its source,
In June 1867 the Register reported that Townsend Duryea had engaged a London Artist to colour his photographs: and By January 1868 Duryea was able to announce that his ‘eminent artist’, whom he had ‘engaged at considerable expense from England for a term of years’, had arrived and that his services were available to the public. [/i]
I have given the above info to help you establish a more definite date for John's and possibly George's arrival in Australia.
Cheers
Cando
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Have to agree with Cando about the possibility of the Hoods arriving elsewhere because there were no suitable entries for the time frame that they would have arrived in SA.
Entries for John Hood arriving - 1876, 1878, 1879 which would be too late
A George Hood arrived 1852 which was too early
Cazay
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Hello John
The 1887 mc and 1915 dc
So there was more information on George senior’s 1915 death cert (namely how long he’d been in NSW). When I asked for the details of the certs, I hoped you’d give us the full details i.e. everything on the cert (apart from medical details) – you never know when a fresh pair of eyes might feel that some of that info could be useful. I’m wondering, for instance whether the dc mentioned father Samuel’s occupation. Also, was George senior’s occupation stated (sorry if my memory is failing me). And I’m also wondering now whether there are witnesses listed on George senior’s 1887 marriage cert.
If it’s not too much trouble, perhaps you could revisit this – and post all the details (apart from medical info) exactly as they appear in each part of the 1887 mc and the 1915 dc?
Incidentally, you said that George junior’s address was Marrickville when he married Ada? Presumably there was no more specific street address? If it was View St Marrickville (the address of son George on George senior’s 1915 death cert), that would be pretty convincing evidence that son George and George the wood machinist are one and the same person.
You said that you had George the wood machinist in the 1914 NSW electoral roll – was that at View St? Cando has indicated that there was a George HOOD in Sands directories at View St up to 1923. Also, do you have the birth certs of Roy and Harold (sons of George the wood machinist); was the address View St?
George HOOD & Anne MURCH
Re the 1856 mc of George HOOD & Anne MURCH, is there proof that the witnesses are William the Mayor and his wife – or is that just an assumption based on names? Of course, even if they are proven to be so, that wouldn’t help as far as proving that George senior in NSW is the same as the George HOOD who m Anne MURCH in 1856. Unless you have some other piece of information which proves this??
Perhaps you could post all the details as they appear in the 1856 mc. Also, it might help if you could give the census references for George & Ann after their marriage, and later Ann sans George – or at least indicate where they were (or she was) living.
What next?
I’m sorry to be such a terrier in trying to uncover proof that your George was a brother of artist John – but I know that, if I were you, I would not be happy unless I had it.
Apart from what I’ve asked above, my next steps (some have already been suggested by others) would include some or all of the following (and along the way a proven link between George senior and George junior might well be uncovered).
* search for newspaper death notices and funeral notices for George senior and George junior – just in case they hold some clues.
* search for newspaper death notices/obits for artist John (you never know! – his ‘nephews’ might be mentioned).
* check out the cemetery records (including the possibility of headstones) for George senior and George junior.
* get the death certificates for Jane B HOOD (1931) and – if that’s not the right person – then the dc for Jane LOW (1945).
Best regards,
JAP
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Hi John,
I have now managed to find Anne (MURCH) HOOD in some censuses. Looks as though she had an interesting background ...
In 1861 in Hammersmith with husband George HOOD, 27, a stonemerchant born Bolton, Lancashire; Anne 36 b Axminster, Devon. Also with them two MURCH children, Philip 10 and Mary E 5, listed as son and daughter of George, both b New Zealand.
In 1871, no George but Anne was listed as a wife and married. 1881 she was listed as a widow. Haven't found her in 1891.
JAP
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Hi All,
Again thanks for all further help. I am going to take a few days to gather any further info I can from your suggestions and promise to get back to you all when achieved.
John
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I find it strange that John hasn't been able to give us details from certificates ...just to make searching a little easier.
Rookwood Cemetery - Independent Section
Presbyterian 6D 0007948
HOOD George 18 Aug 1915
No Jane HOOD and only a Jane LOWE who died in 1891.
Should I or someone else post a new request for a lookup to see if there is a MI...with hopefully some meaningful info.
Cheers
Cando
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Cando is Jane Lowe in the same grave?
I think one of our fellow rooters has the MI for Rookwood CD not sure though
think it was on the Jackeroo thread ;)
regards Jenn
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Jane LOWE not in same grave and died in 1891
Cheers
Cando
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Cando, there is no inscription for George Hood 1915, not on cd
There is a Jane Hood died 24/8/1931 67 yrs, she is the wife of a John Hood died 12/8/1923 (Insc' Husb in 63rd year)
Can't remember back over the post but wouldn't she be too young for a match
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Hi Cazay,
That's a very good find.
I guess that rules out Jane HOOD who d 1931 - as this Jane Hood's husband was John and he died in 1923.
'Our' Jane HOOD's husband was George and he died in 1915. The age would not have been a problem - 'our' Jane (ms GOLDING) married in 1887 and was of 'full age' at the time of her marriage.
I'm still tempted by Jane LOW who d 1945.
JAP
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Cando,
Sorry if you feel I am not passing on enough certificate info. I only have George sen's marriage, death and George Junior's marriage and death. If I have missed anything that will help sorry and I will try harder. I cannot get details as Jap suggested of Roys birth as I have no access to these records. I did hear from Rookwood via e-mail today that both George's do not have headstones -so another loss. As for getting articles from the Sydney papers not sure how to proceed with that. Again sorry if you feel I am being obstructive.
John
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Cando,
Sorry if you feel I am not passing on enough certificate info. I only have George sen's marriage, death and George Junior's marriage and death. If I have missed anything that will help sorry and I will try harder. I cannot get details as Jap suggested of Roys birth as I have no access to these records. I did hear from Rookwood via e-mail today that both George's do not have headstones -so another loss. As for getting articles from the Sydney papers not sure how to proceed with that. Again sorry if you feel I am being obstructive.
John
John I became a tad frustrated that you didn't respond to two or more requests for George's place of burial which would have been detailed on his death certificate. I found the burial on the Rookwood Independent website today. All the details listed on certificates need to be listed otherwise it involves lots of searching.
Back to basics John....what you need to know is - are these George's related...ie father and son. I am troubled by the occupation 'boilermaker' and the mother's maiden name on George Jnr's marriage cert in 1924. Surely a 24 year old would know the occupation of his father and there is certainly a difference between a "painter" and boilermaker and the maiden name of is mother.
Hopefully you can find an obit or two to help things along.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi All,
I really hope no-one will mind my just totoally chipping in here as an interested watcher of this thread.
John, It would be REALLY helpful and a way of making a summary of potentially useful facts if you would please.....
Type out the entire contents of the certificates you hold.
It has been suggested before and it would help in ways we may not see as obvious as yet.
Go for it!!
Sue
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Interred in the grave adjacent to George Snr is a William Henry HOOD who died in 1908 aged 23 and from the bdm indexes had parents Henry and Ellen.
Interred in the same grave as George Snr is Eugene MARALIS [MORELUSS on the cemetery register] who died in 1886 aged 14 months with parents Henry and Elizabeth.
Cando
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Cando, and others
I feel fully chastised now and will sit down a little later and type every single detail on certs I have. Your last listing was interesting. This William Henry Hood was William Henry Hawthorne Hood died aged 23 on 5.3.1908. I have his death cert as I thought he was a William I had lost who's parents were Henry Hood and Ellen Cawood. Not so, mother is Ellen Amelia Ashby. William was born in Hawthorne Victoria and had lived in NSW for 20 years.
John
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As for getting articles from the Sydney papers not sure how to proceed with that. Again sorry if you feel I am being obstructive.
Hello there John
If it is not to intrusive can you tell us where abouts you live so we can tell you where to find records
kind regards Jenn
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Interred in the same grave as George Snr is Eugene MARALIS [MORELUSS on the cemetery register] who died in 1886 aged 14 months with parents Henry and Elizabeth. cando
Spelling...MORALES on the marriage of the parents
653/1877. Morales , Emil Henry. Pracy Elizabeth. Sydney.
Sue
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I ... will sit down a little later and type every single detail on certs I have. ... John
Great!
John, I'm sure nobody feels that you are being in the least "obstructive" and there is certainly no need at all for you to feel "chastised". ;D If 'sins' there are, they are those of omission not of commission. It really does help RootsChatters to help you if you provide all the information you have.
For instance, back in reply #9 I asked for certificate details and you kindly supplied them very promptly in reply #10; but later, in reply #34, you suddenly mentioned that George snr's dc stated that he had been in NSW for 50 years - an interesting, and possibly important, detail which hadn't been mentioned in reply #10. Also not mentioned in reply #10 were burial details from death certs, nor were they provided in response to subsequent requests ...
A couple of other requests I've made (still outstanding) are
- George jnr's address in the 1914 electoral roll (you said in reply #5 that you had this entry but I don't think you've mentioned the address)
- info on census entries for Anne (MURCH) HOOD - you said in reply #16 that you had her in 1881/1891/1901.
I've found her in 1861/1871/1881 but not subsequently.
As I said earlier, in 1861 George HOOD Stonemerchant, 27, b Bolton Lancashire; wife Ann 36 b Axminster Devon; and two NZ-born MURCH children (Philip10 & Mary E 5) were in Hammersmith London.
In 1871, in Harlington Middlesex, we find Annie HOOD, wife, married, 47, a Schoolmistress b Axminster and her daughter Mary Elizabeth MURCH, 15, b Plymouth NZ. Philip MURCH is elsewhere in the household of a Civil Engineer.
In 1881 Ann HOOD, mother-in-law, 60, b Axminster, is in Stoke Damerel Devon in the household of William W CHILCOTT, 32, b Portsmouth, Chief Engineer RN and his wife Mary E 25 b NZ. Philip MURCH, a 30 yo Asst Civil Engineer b NZ is lodging in Portsea; in 1891 he's a Civil Engineer living in Portsmouth.
Mary E CHILCOTT seems to have died in 1889.
I didn't find Ann HOOD after 1881 and wondered if she might have died (there is a possible entry).
Best regards,
JAP
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Back to basics John....what you need to know is - are these George's related...ie father and son. I am troubled by the occupation 'boilermaker' and the mother's maiden name on George Jnr's marriage cert in 1924. Surely a 24 year old would know the occupation of his father and there is certainly a difference between a "painter" and boilermaker and the maiden name of is mother.
Just a random thought -
John have you considered that George b. 1890 may have been not the natural born child of George and Jane GOLDING. George Jnr's father may have been a boiler maker and mother Jane SAMSON or LOWE.
Cando
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cando,jap
Firstly some answers.
JAP
I am so sorry I only have Anne Hood on the 1861/71/81 census. It is Philip her son I have on the 1891/1901 census. The address on the 1914/15 electoral reg for George Junior is 12 Glen Street, Marrickville-Wood Machinist.This address appears to be the next street on from View Street the address given by George Jun on the George Sen death cert. Also Ada Ethel Hood-home duties is with him.
Cando,
I live in Ulverston Cumbria UK. There are a couple of things I am struggling with in all this. The sands directory you have all mentioned records Goerge Sen as being in Princes Street/Ave, Granville between 1903-1916. These records only give names, no ages or occupations,is that correct? Are there electoral reg for the period 1903-16 that cover this time frame. The reason for asking is that if these two George's are linked then George Jun may appear with George Sen around the 1910-13 period. As I mentioned in a previous posting I would like to search for newspaper details but am totally unsure of where to start on this from this end.
One final question, am I allowed to paste copies of the 4 certs I have on the postings or will I contravine any copyrights.
John
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From John
Cando,
There are a couple of things I am struggling with in all this. The sands directory you have all mentioned records Goerge Sen as being in Princes Street/Ave, Granville between 1903-1916. These records only give names, no ages or occupations,is that correct? Are there electoral reg for the period 1903-16 that cover this time frame. The reason for asking is that if these two George's are linked then George Jun may appear with George Sen around the 1910-13 period.
John
Sands Directories for the period in NSW give no ages or occupations - more like a postal directory. There are electoral rolls for each year since Federation but I only have access to a disk for NSW for 1903 and online for 1930 and 1936. I am wondering how you accessed the 1914/1915 electoral rolls for George Jnr as noted in your last post.
Cando
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'One final question, am I allowed to paste copies of the 4 certs I have on the postings or will I contravine any copyrights.'
Hi John,
In short, yes, a copy and paste will contravene. the reasons are complex. There are items on the RC board which will explain the ins and outs of it all. where I cannot.
It seems, therefore, that the only way you can let us see the details of the certificates is to either Personal Message them in entirety to a number of interested Chatters or to type out the items one by one on the board.
Sue
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I am so sorry I only have Anne Hood on the 1861/71/81 census. It is Philip her son I have on the 1891/1901 census. ...
Anne's MURCH daughter seems to have died in 1889.
From FreeBMD:
CHILCOTT Mary Elizabeth, age 32, d Mar qtr 1889, Stoke Damerel, Devon, Vol 5b page 245
The following looks a likely death for Anne herself (remember, her MURCH son Philip was living in Portsea in 1881 and was still in the district - Portsmouth - in 1891):
From FreeBMD:
Ann HOOD, age 69, d Mar qtr 1889, Portsea, Hampshire, Vol 2b, page 318
Unfortunately, that doesn't progress us any further with finding proof that George snr and the George who m Anne MURCH are one and the same :(
Regards,
JAP
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Cando , Jap,
The info about the 1914/15 electoral reg came from an enquiry to the state library. I have written to them again to see if the two Georges appear together in George seniors home at Princes street between 1909-1913 when George would have been approx 21. I will let you know answer if received.
JAP, Thanks for info on Anne and her death-good research.
CANDO, I too am beginning to think that George Jun may well have been an adopted son and taken the name Hood-time will tell.
Be in touch soon.
John
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John where are the certificate details? Wouldn't take long to type them up. :D
Cheers
Cando
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John, Yes, as Cando says, we're still awaiting the certificate details ...
Also, I'm very puzzled as to where you are coming from in this research ...
Do you have an ancestral line back to George (jnr) the wood machinist and are you then trying to trace further back from him?
Or are you trying to trace forwards all the descendants of Samuel HOOD and Elizabeth RILEY?
Or is it some sort of partial HOOD one-name study?
Regards,
JAP
PS: I'd love to see the 1945 Jane LOW dc info - but, of course, that would cost money and might be yet another red herring ...
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Marriage cert George Hood
Date and place of marriage 3/5/1887 Liverpool
Name and surname of parties George Hood -Widower
Jane Golding - Spinster
Birthplaces--Not Recorded
Married in the "Manse" Liverpool,according to the rites of the presbytarian church
Occupation George-Painter
Jane-Governess Deaf and Dumb Asylum
Usual address George - Liverpool
Jane Darlington Sydney
No fathers names or mothers maiden names recorded or occupations
Witnesses William Joseph McNeill, Ellen Lucy Leane--Charles Naismith officiating minister.
Death cert
Date and place of death 18.August 1915 Princes Street Granville
Name and occupation George Hood-Painter aged 91
Name and occupation of father--Samuel Hood Furnaceman, Bessie Unknown
Informant George Hood SON View Street Marrickville
Particulars of Reg John Roper 18.August 1915 Granville
When and where buried 20th August 1915 Presbyterian Cemetary Rookwood-William Metcalf-undertaker
Hugh Wilson-Presbytarian minister--Witnesses Clive Rogers/Alexander Watt
When and where born-Lancashire England 50years nsw
Place of marriage Liverpool nsw age at marriage 63 Jane Golding
Children of marriage-George Hood 25--1female deceased.
George Jun marriage.
14.Feb 1914 St Clements Church Marrickville
George Hood - wood machinist-Marrickville Sydney
Ada Ethel Carnwell-Milliner--Marrickville Sydney according to rites of Church of England.
George-bachelor birthplaceBurwood age 24 father George Hood-Boilermaker- Mother Jane Samson
Ada Ethel-spinster -Marrickville-age 29- father Henry Carnwell-builder, mother Sarah Ann Cooke
Witnesses Sidney James Taylor, Rose Anna Higgins
William Martin-offical minister.
George death
Place of registration St Leonards
Hood George
Occ-Woodmachinist -male aged 80
DOD-6.2.1969
Place of death-Castleleap Private Hosp, Undercliffe
Usual res-38 Kitchener Road Earlwood
Place of birth Auburn NSW
Length of time in Aust----------
Father--Unknown Hood--blacksmith
Mother Jane Low
Place of marriage Marrickville NSW
At what age 28
To whom Ada Ethel Carnwell
Conjugal status--widower
Issue in order--Roy 50 years , Harold 48 None deceased
Infirmant- R Hood Son 15 Lucerne Ave Merrylands
Date and place of burial 8.2.1969 Rookwood Crem William Blandford church of englandofficer in charge
Witnesses K BAKER. D BRANNIGAN.
Hope I've not missed anything.
Samuel Hood born 1807 was the brother of my gggrandfather Henry Hood 1816. As often happens my family line is really boring to that of relations. Samuel in particular had 15 children, 3 different partners, a flamboyant lifestyle and lived a good age to enjoy it all.
Thanks again guys.
John
Ps I have a photo of Samuel, am I allowed to paste this on to a posting if you would like to see??
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Jap,
You have mentioned a couple of times Jane Low died 1945 Auburn, parents Charls Mary A. I am happy to order the death cert but would like to know your thinking before I do as do you not think this is the same Jane Low born 1858 Liverpool parents Charles and Mary ANN.
jOHN
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Jap,
You have mentioned a couple of times Jane Low died 1945 Auburn, parents Charls Mary A. I am happy to order the death cert but would like to know your thinking before I do as do you not think this is the same Jane Low born 1858 Liverpool parents Charles and Mary ANN.
jOHN
Hello John,
I can't see a Jane LOW born 1858 Liverpool ???
Unfortunately we don't have an age for the Jane LOW who died 1945.
My thinking (speculation) was as follows - and it's drawing a very long bow ...
We are trying to find a possible connexion between a Jane GOLDING, a Jane LOW and a Jane SAMSON ...
The only likely NSW birth for the Jane GOLDING who m George HOOD in 1887 is in 1858 in Liverpool, parents Charles GOLDING & Mary A (probably WHITNEY) - and, of course, we don't even know whether your Jane GOLDING was born in NSW.
The only possible deaths we could find in NSW were:
- Jane HOOD in 1931; that has now been discounted from the MI.
- Jane LOW in 1945.
Jane LOW's age is not given on her death entry but her parents' names are listed as Charles & Mary Ann.
As I said, it's a long shot but it occurred to me that perhaps Jane GOLDING (later HOOD) and Jane LOW just might be one and the same ...
But purchasing the death cert (or getting a transcription) would be an expensive way to find out given that all this is nothing more than speculation ...
Regards,
JAP
PS: A bit more of my speculation ... LOW is mentioned only on George jnr's death cert which was informed by his son Roy. It occurred to me that Jane (GOLDING) HOOD, assuming she was left a widow in 1915 when George snr died, might have married (though we can't find a record) or taken up with a chap called LOW - and Roy (b ca 1919) might only ever have known her as LOW.
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Hi All,
Much easier to see things with all details provided. Thanks John.
I have nothing of material use to add to the case except this posssible scenario which I believe to be most likely.
Building on JAP's thoughts.
Jane Golding , after her marriage to George, did not remain with him beyond the time of having children. There is no sign on electoral rolls
Young George therefore did not know her details and believed for whatever reason, that her former name was Samson, ....it may have been a 'de facto' name she was using the last time he knew of her. No-one checked these things and on the wedding day, perhaps he was not too fussed He was also confused about his father's occupation.
We should bear in mind that George had no living siblings to check facts with.
Roy, by the time he came to complete his father's death details did not know much about his grandmother and used a name which may have been her more recent married name.
Again no-one was really going to check or to contribute anything as younger George had had no living siblings.
Sue
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Hi all
I have been watching this thread with interest and looked on the NAA Site and found a
enlisted 5th Aug 1940 aged 25
Roy Henry George Hood
Born 7 Jan 1915 Marrickville NSW
NOK Joyce Hood
address 81 Holborrow st Croydon
occ Fitter
there is a digital copy of the record with more info re his trade apprent and tech school
I know the age /DOB doesn't quite match Georges son Roy but guess it could be a possible with him having the christian names of George And Henry in there
Looking on NSW BMD he married Joyce Daisy Weir 1938 Sydney
Not sure if this is of any help but thought I'd post it anyway
JJ
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Hi JJ,
Good to have more input.
The man you found may well be our Roy HOOD.
The death notice of ROY HENRY GEORGE which is indexed at Ryerson , gives his age at death as 68 in November 1987 ==1919 birth. Interestingly "late of Vincentia and Merrylands' which was one of our Roy's addresses.
He says as informant on his father's certificate he is aged 50 [in 1969] =1919birth.
If it is him, I am not sure why he would he would tell the army he was born in 1915.
Sue
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Something which strikes me as just a bit odd among the newly provided details is the occupation - furnaceman - of George snr's father Samuel on George snr's death cert.
I guess it's in the right general area but people usually/often tried to upgrade rather than downgrade occupations (or is that just my lot!). As I recall, Samuel had a better class of job being the Manager of an Iron Foundry or Iron Works ...
JAP
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Funny you should say that Jap
I thought it a little strange that William who was the Mayor of Reading would record his occ in 1881 as Retired Iron Founder.
I thought Former Mayor would have had a better ring to it :D
JJ
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JJ, I guess that Mayor was just a position he held for a short time - not an occupation.
Just to add to the thoughts about occupations (from notes I made).
Samuel, whom we assume to be the father of John the artist (and of William the Mayor? and perhaps of George snr?) appears thus in censuses:
1841 Derbyshire
Saml HOOD 30 Manager not born in the county
1851 Queen St, St Michael Paternoster, Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Samuel HOOD Head 44 Iron Merchant b Staffordshire Sedgley
1861 ?
1871 ?
1881 Caversham Oxfordshire
Samuel HOOD Lodger Married 74 Manager of Ironworks (Manuf) b Staffordshire Sedgley
1891 Edwin Villa S, Reading Berkshire
Samuel HOOD Lodger Widower 84 Manager of Iron Foundry b Staffordshire Sedgley
Samuel died in Reading aged 94 in the Jun qtr 1900.
JAP
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JAP,
Following your last post.
Samuel Hood 1861 census RG9 155 100 32-WITH 3RD PARTNER-AGE IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY IS 54 NOT 51 AND BORN IN DEEPFIELDS BILSTON AS WAS HIS BROTHER JOSEPH 1807
CANNOT FIND SAMUEL IN 1871-HE DID HAVE BUSINESSIN France so may have been there.
JOHN RILEY HOOD 1861 CENSUS RG9 362 82 40 --WITH MOTHER ELIZABETH
JOSEPH HOOD 1861 welsh census RG9 4036 23 40 DEEPFIELDS STAFFORDSHIRE
EDWARD BRETTLE HOOD 1861 CENSUS RG9 746 9 11
JOHN
HENRY HOOD(MY GGGRANDFATHER) 1861 CENSUS RG9 236 103 16
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John
I was wondering if you have the birth/chr records of Samuel & Joseph
Have found Edwin & Henry 1816
Harriot Sophia 1817
Edward Brettle 1821
Parents Joseph & Sophia
I notice you have Josephs birth 1807 what other children are there of this union as there is quite a gap between 1807-1816
reason I ask is naming patterns as we haven't confirmed George snr was the son of Samuel (thought there may be a George in there somewhere)
Just a thought
and do we have George Snr in 1851 census? sorry can't recall
JJ
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JJDOWNUNDER and others.
Thanks for last posting, I think at present I would like to now wait for any replys from the central library as this may save a lot of time on your behalfs.
George appears on a Scottish 1851 census do not have ref-type in George Hood born 1835, he appears as a moulder, born Bolton Lancs age 16.
As for other children, Maria 1800, Ann 1802, William 1804, William 1809, Harriot 1813, Harriet Sophia 1817 and Edward Brettle 1821.
John
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Today at the library I looked up the Hood death/funeral notices in the Sydney Morning Herald but sadly nothing at all for your George Hood 1915. I guess he simply died and then they buried him, no frills.
But here are John and Ruth Hood's entries.........
SMH Friday May 1926, page 9
The relatives and friends of the late John Ryley Hood late of Mosman, are kindly invited to attend his funeral which is appointed to take place this Friday morning in the Church of England Cemetery, Rookwood. On arrival of funeral train, friends travel by funeral train and alight at No. 4 platform in cemetery.
METCALF AND MORRIS (Amal) LTD, PARRAMATTA
SMH Thursday 28 August 1919, page 5
HOOD: Friends of Mr John Hood and family are kindly invited to attend the funeral of his beloved wife and their beloved mother to leave her late residence, Ulla Horn, Cabramatta Rd, Mosman this day at 11.15 for mortuary station thence to Rookwood Cemetery.
T. J. ANDREWS, Funeral Director, 25 Enmore Rd, Newtown. Phone: L1138
Also, John you may have some convict connections if it can be proved that Mary Ann Whitney who married Charles Golding is the daughter of James Whitney and Elizabeth Pearce.
James Whitney, ship Tottenham 1818, sheep stealing. Father of Elizabeth Pearce was Thomas Pearce, ship Coromandel 1804, stealing lead from church.
There is some information to be found on the Port Jackson - Convict list on Worldconnect about this family and a link to a website which has reference to Mary Ann Whitney marrying Charles Golding. I think somewhere in this post there is reference to a birth for Mary A Whitney 1825, but this Mary died in 1833. There was another Mary A Whitney born to this family in 1838 who was the one that married Charles Golding.
Cazay
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... George appears on a Scottish 1851 census do not have ref-type in George Hood born 1835, he appears as a moulder, born Bolton Lancs age 16. ...
I remember seeing that 1851 Scotland census entry - I've noted down "George HOOD a 16yo moulder, b Bolton Lancs, a visitor in a BLACK household". But I've added "I don't think so" - that is, I had doubts as to whether it was the right George (i.e. whether it was the George who m Anne MURCH). I can't remember why I doubted it - perhaps from looking up George HOODs b Bolton in later censuses ...
JAP
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Hi All again,
Heard from library in nsw a couple of days ago. George was on electoral reg 1903-6 at Princes St Granville as a pensioner and 1910-1913 at same address as a "moulder". This appears now to tie him in with George Jun who recorded on his marriage record Fathet- boilermaker. George Snr had always been in the iron business as per his father Samuel and several of his brothers. I think I will call it a day on this thread now, but thanks for all help and interest on this posting.
John
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Hi
Do not exspect anyone to read through all this posting again but thought you would like a final update. I ordered the death transcript of Jane Low who died 1945 Granville. Sure enough she was first married to a George Hood, no other details than that other than the issue of that marriage was another George Hood living aged 52. She then appears to have married a ?? Grieve, no issue and then married a Thomas Low in 1925. This now confirms to me that the two Georges are father and son as George the sons death record records his mother as Jane Low. Her parents are shown as Charles and Mary Ann Golding, confirming marriage to George senior.
If anyone can find a marriage of a Jane Golding/Hood/to a Grieve anywhere would like to hear.
Thanks again all.
John
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Hi John,
Had a quick look on NSW and can only see the ones for George and Thomas.
Newbe
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Hello John
3176/1925 Thomas LOW married Jane GRIEVE at GRANVILLE
but I think this has been posted way back in the day ;) or not !
Jenn
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Hi,
Yes I have the two marriages of Jane to George and Thoma, it was the one to the !!! Grieves I was looking for. It's of no real matter as this whole posting was to try and link the 2 Georges which I believe I have now done. All your efforts have really paid dividends on this.
Cheers
John
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Hi John
Well the search endeth ;D ;D
I searched the marriage indexes just using G* for the groom's surname and Jane for the bride's given name and have trawled the pages of results....nil.
Perhaps she never married GRIEVE and of course that may not be the correct name. Depends of the knowledge of the informant.
John who was the informant on the death certificate?
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando,
The informant was a R G MCINTOSH, the manager state hospital newington-so no clues there. Jane is buried in Rookwood so maybe a clue there perhaps.
John
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Hello John
On the marriage to Thomas Low does it have any clues at all to the relationsip with Grieve no dates etc.
I notice by the records that there were at least three Grieve deaths in Granville between when George Hood Die and she remarried Thomas Low.
As Cando has said perhaps it wasn't a marriage but a defacto.
Jenn
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Hi Jenn,
No dates, other than the surname Grieves. It really does not matter,so save your time for the next explosion of JOHN HOOD postings due in the next few days.
John
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Hi John/Jap/Cando/Cazay/Jenn/Terra
Read the postings on George Hood as I'm about to start helping a friend with his Hood Genealogy
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Hi John/Jap/Cando/Cazay/Jenn/Terra etc
Just to finish what I accidentally posted prematurely (!) my friend is waiting on certificates, and is in search of John, not George Hood, but I thought I'd mention that his line is Samuel/John & Mary Martha (Hubbe)/Thomas & Martha (Heesh)/. If we discover anything interesting that you haven't already covered, I'll post it.
There is a set of microfiche covering NSW Probate records which I think goes to 1983. Big libraries should have it in other states. Smaller ones often have it here in New South.
Thank you all for the collective information which I shall pass on to my friend.
Parramattan :D
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Hi Parramattan
I am in Australia researching Hoods
talking to johnhood on rootschat he told me about George Hood 1834 to 1915
an artist who came to Australia. son of Samuel and Elizabeth Ryley H.
brother of John Ryley Hood (who came to Adelaide)
any clues about George??
cheers Hoody
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Hi firstly please forgive me for joining this in such strange manner as I'm new to this but I just want John to know that I am in fact a great grandson of Joyce hood.
My brother was actually named after Roy.
And if you would like any info of either family members I'm happy to help.
Teagan James Giles
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Hi, six years ago I started this-where has time gone. For me new hip, new knee, heart attack and prostate op. Still not joined the ancestors yet though. Two things. My George appears in a new record I have found online. NSW Australia Hospital & Asylum records 1840-1913. Records George Hood aged 58 admitted 22.2.1892 and requested discharge 29.2.1892. This confirms birth date of 1834. On this entry is a remarks column which says "ANGLESEA" 1851 or 1857 Moulder --what does that mean. Moulder is occupation as that was what he was.
Another new to me record is for the baptism of his daughter Julia from the Sydney Australia Anglican Parish records 1814-1920. Julia ***** Hood born 10th July 1888, bap 15th January 1889. Can anyone work out her second christian name please. Her death certificate records her as Julia GEORGE Wood.
Thanks
John
ps-just a thought-does anyone have access to these baptism records and is his son George on them born 1890
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HI glad to read you are still alive and kicking.
Maybe Anglesey 1851 or 1857 refers to the ship he arrived on
Regards Jenn
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Jenn is correct, if you look at all the other entries in that column they are clearly ship's name in inverted commas and year of arrival which is 1851.
G HOOD
Age: 18
Arrival Date: 5 Dec 1852
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Plymouth
Ship: Anglesey
Nationality: English
The only extra info on the original record is that his occupation is 'Farmer' but many immigrants claimed to be farmers to get work.
Debra :)
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.....parents were George Hood and Jane Golding/Samson/Low?
Comparing with the handwriting on the rest of the page, I think Julia's middle name is meant to be 'Samson'.
Debra :)
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The 1852 arrival is of course problematic if you think that he married in 1856 in England and was still there in 1861.
Debra :)
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Hello John and All
England - some Moulders worked at a Foundry where metal is cast into shaped moulds.
My British Dictionary and Thesaurus (pub. Glasgow) seems to agree and in the U.S. spelt Molder without the letter u.
Someone who forms or shapes metal, by using a mould.
Mould - 1. cast, die, form, matrix, pattern, shape.
4. carve, cast, construct, create, forge, fashion, form, make, model, sculpt, shape, stamp, work.
Mark
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Many thanks for all your replies and imput.
John
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Time still ticks on. You never stop finding the odd document. Confirms my George Hood did marry Anne Murch and then went to Austraia.
John
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99ZR-Z4QL?i=118&cc=1865481