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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Browniepants on Saturday 21 June 08 18:51 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
Could anybody please tell me what Daniels Mother was called & Cause of death , I have manage to read the rest , But cant make out his Mother and what he died of :-[ He is the middle one of the 3 deaths.
Any help greatly appreciated
Thanks Yvonne :)
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Hi Yvonne,
My guess for the mother's name is Susan, maiden surname McQueen.
Cause of death Internal organic affection (something) poisoning but I have no idea about the missing word :P
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Her christian name was Susan- but I can't work out the rest 8)
I think you need someone younger with better eyesight ::)
Carol
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could it be mercuric poisoning?
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I think the cause of death looks like Internal organic affection.
Not sure it makes sense though. :-\
I agree that it looks like mecuric poisoning.
What was his occupation?
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Hi all,
Many thanks for your input, On the 1861 Census Daniel was a 30 year old Labourer :( Not much help there . ???
I cant find him on earlier census so have no other clues :(
Yvonne ;)
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Hi browniepants,
I reckon Her maiden name was Mc Laren ,...but apart from the internal infection ..have no clue to what the other bit says !
Snowolf
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Hello Yvonne
If 30 on '61 census would make him 39 or 40 in 1870. I see it says aged ? 58 on death entry. I take it your 30 was a typo? If 58 - makes a birth of approx 1812. Have searched the IGI 10 years either side and can't find a birth world wide that would appear to be his.
Occupation appears to be carter. Do you have a marriage entry for him and Ann? A search between 1832 and 1870 on the IGI brings up no results for Daniel and an Ann McNeill in either Scotland or Ireland.
Can you please post the address where he was in the census and others in household. There are always others with census access who like to ferret things out. The free 1841 census at www.freecen.org.uk only brings up 2 Daniels - neither appear to be yours.
Regards, Steve :O)
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I think his age on death was 38-making him born c 1831 as Yvonne first thought ;)
He appears to be listed as Daniel MacAulay in 1861 living at 22 Tobago Street, St Cuthberts Edinburgh with wife 29 year old Ann and 4 year old daughter Ann Deuar MacAulay.
Regards
Carol
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Hi Yvonne
I make it 38 yrs on the death cert entry. The 1861 census clearly has him as 30 yrs with his wife Ann 29 yrs and dau Ann Deuar MacAulay 4 yrs. Daniel was born in St Leith Edinburgh ca 1831 and his address for 1861 census was 22 Tobago St and as you say he was a labourer.
Reg No:685/1
Civil Parish: Midlothian St Cuthberts
ED 39
H Sched: 60
Roll CSSCT1861_124
Will see if I can find him on the 41/1851 census
Joy
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Hi Yvonne
I can't find Daniel on either 1841 or 1851 census - unless I missed it.
Also he is not to be found on the IGI and I did a search of the OPR's on SPeople but still could not find him.
Not everyone had their children baptized so that may be the explanation.
Sorry I can't be of more help
Joy ;)
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Occupation appears to be carter. Do you have a marriage entry for him and Ann? A search between 1832 and 1870 on the IGI brings up no results for Daniel and an Ann McNeill in either Scotland or Ireland.
Their marriage shows as Daniel McAulay and Ann McNeil, on the 7th October 1853 at St Cuthberts in Edinburgh (Ann's father shows as James McNeil). Their daughter, Ann Dewar MacAullay, was born 18th August 1856 in Edinburgh.
hume24 :)
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Hi Yvonne,
If you have had the death from SP Have you asked them to try and make it clearer, i have had one or to that were hard to read and some were a little better after. They were quite happy to try.
Scully
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Hi all,
Thanks for all the help, To answer some of the questions, The death entry is age 38 (not 58)
I have the Marriage entry for Daniel McAulay & Ann Mcneil But i didn't have the Birth Of there Daughter So Thanks Hume24 for that one ;)
I have him on 1861 census living in Tobago St . They seem to vanish before that ??? :(
And thanks for all suggestions with Names For Daniels Mother & his cause of Death ;)
I will keep digging they must be there somewhere (I Hope )
Yvonne ;D
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Hi
Mothers name looks like Susan McInnes?? Certainly the second capital letter looks the same as that in "India Street" the address of the deceased on the previous entry (190)
I think the COD looks like Internal organic affliction **something** poisoning. It could be "mercuric" if that mark under the word is just an artifact and not part of a letter with a tail.
Kirsty
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Hi all,
I emailed SP Where i got the entry from, Here is what i got back ,
Thank you for your e-mail. Having looked at the entry the writing
appears to suggest that the mother's maiden name was Susan McQueen, and
the cause of death being 'Internal Organic Affection - Uraemic
poisoning'. I have attached a larger copy of the image to this reply: I
hope this helps.
Uraemic Poisoning was a term for Acute Renal Failure , So that now makes sense (I Think)
Have Attached a part of the new copy to see what everybody thinks, Hopefully this is a bit clearer :-\
Yvonne ;)
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Looks good to me! :)
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Hi Yvonne,
Seeings as no one can find Daniel on the 1841/51, here's my two cents worth. Could be completely wrong.
I agree the mothers MN is McQUEEN. In my experience I have found McQUEEN, QUEEN and QUINN to be interchangable. As there is nothing obvious coming up for this family under MacCAULAY and variants, maybe Daniel was the illegitimate child of Susan, and Daniel was reputed father.
I found this family group on the 1841 census in Edinburgh, Midlothian. The Address is Castle Hill:
Peter QUINN M 45 Labourer Ire
June QUINN F 37 Lodgings Ire
Susan QUINN F 19 Female Serv MID
William QUINN M 15 Town Carter MID
Daniel QUINN M 6 MID
also people by the names of ARNOT, DOLLAN, MULROY and LINDSAY staying there.
Susan is a bit young, but women can have babies at 13, and Daniel is also a bit young, but ages are only as correct as the people telling them. Pity the relationships are not shown in the 41 (but I have found that these are not always correct anyway, my GGgrandfather is recorded as being his grandmothers niece on the 51)
I don't have access to the 1851 census, but maybe someone else can find this family on it to either discount or confirm.
Karen