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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: mmmmikkimac on Friday 20 June 08 00:38 BST (UK)
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Looking for information on the history of the SPROAT family of Kirkcutbright and Wigtown prioer to 1700 and went to America to settle in Massachusetts.
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I don't know if this will be of any help but there is a SPROT family on the Wigtownshire pages 1684 Parish Lists (also covers Minnigaff) index of names, and given the garbled spellings we always get...
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~leighann/1684/intro.html
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~leighann/1684/names/98_101.txt
Kirsty
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Thank you for the links, I will check them out.
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Hi My grandad Travelled to Idaho with a Faid Sproat in the late eighteen 90s or the early 19 hundreds They were taking horses and not quite sure where they travelled from,
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Sorry about that, KKBD area Borgue? thank that my Gramps worked for the family.
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I have been researching Sproats around the city of KKD (Kirkcudbright) for about 5 years. I can not get beyond Hugh Sproat, borm 20 Mar 1814 in Borgue, KKDshire, married 1840 in Stourbridge Wocestershire, died June 1889, in Birkenhead, Chesire, Merseyside . He was the father of James Henry S Sproat. James was my great grandfather. He had my grandmother Jessie Sproat. I have further details but do not want to be too long winded. I have every so often run into information on the website in Ancestry World Tree Project called the Gordon/ Bertram Tree, last updated in 2007. What is intriguing is there were aparently two brothers John S. Sproat born 1710 around KKD, died 20 Oct 1800 in Pennsborough Cumberland Pennsylvania USA. He had a brother{a guess]) also born around 1710 who was William Sproat. These brother may have had William Sproat, born 11 Apr 1742, or Hugh Sproat, as described above. Anyway, John S. Sproat immigrates to the Americas thru Canada. I have loads more including Duncan Sproat who wrote Sproatachronicon . Out in Western British Columbia threre is a Sproat Lake, also a Sproat is one of the immortals of Ohio and coined the term Buckeye State. Anyway, I hope anyone can help with Sproat genealogy or general stories. One story has it that Sproats had land and also worked for th Douglas's, maybe at Threaves Castle.
Stephen Wood, Roseburg Oregon USA
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Hi,
This is my first posting so I hope I get it right!
I have a Sproat on my tree.
She is Agnes and married my Ggg Grandfather William Porter in the
early1800's.
That's as far as I have got with Sproat but I've gone back a couple of generations more with Porter.
Can anyone help here?
Really would appreciate it if you can.
Thanks
SD
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Hi SD welcome to Rootschat :)
I'm having trouble finding the marriage of Agnes Sproat and William Porter. Could you give us more details on when and where they were married? If you have further sources such as children's birth certificates or census records please say so. :)
The more information you give us the easier it is for others to help you, plus is stops us duplicating work you have already done.
Kirsty
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Hi Kirsty,
I've just seen your message and will give as much info as I've got but at the moment I'm a bit busy.
Please advise if you have Porter in your tree. Perhaps we can swap notes.
Shirley
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I don't have Porters or Sproats in my tree. I just like solving puzzles :)
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Hi,
I don't have any birth/marriage certificates but I have obtained my info from certain websites. The info I have is as follows:
William Porter 1780-1867 m Agnes Sproat 1789-1867.
Their children: Elizabeth 1827-1916, James 1826-, Jessie 1831-, Peter 1840-1901, Thomas 1809-1868, John 1820-1882, William 1841-
Hope this helps.
Shirley
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Hi Shirley
I would recommend confirming for yourself some of the major connections in your tree from original sources (transcriptions can be very useful). You don't want to do a lot of work only to discover later that you were looking at the wrong family, or mixing up generations.
The IGI does have an entry for the birth of Elizebeth Porter, parents William Porter and Agnes Sproat, Kelton, Kirkcudbrightshire 1st August 1826.
There is another child to parents of the same name: Janet Porter birth 12th October 1829 Kelton.
Another sister or the one you have as Jessie?
According to the Friends of the Archives of Dumfries and Galloway transcription there is a William Porter with wife Agnes in the 1851 census in the parish of Colvend, also living with them is a son Peter born Kelton. Agnes is 62, William is 70. This would match with the dates you have given for them, however the son Peter is given as 43.
You may want to have a look at the information you have before trying to go any further back.
Kirsty
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Hi,
Jessie was 10 in the 1841 census. By 1861 she was living with her brother Thomas at Woodhouse with his nephew Thomas aged 11.
Peter was 41 in the 1851 census and 51 in the 1861 census. In the latter census William was aged 81 and Agnes was 72. For each census they were living at Gibbs House.
He was probably living elswhere before the 1841 census, perhaps married. I haven't researched all of the siblings yet, my main person was Elizabeth who is my G G Grandmother.
I have however, visited the churchyard at Colvend and collected quite a bit of information from the grave stones to back up my findings.
Shirley
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Ah Peter's age in your previous post was a typo then ;)
Janet and Jessie may be the same person as the names were used interchangably. In the 1841 census ages were rounded to the nearest 5 years so an 11/12 year old would show as 10.
As Agnes lived beyond 1855 does her death certificate not have parent's details?
Kirsty
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I don't have a death certificate. I found her death date on her gravestone!
A pensioner can only spend so much you know! :(
As for the typo :-[
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Don't worry about the typo - we are all guilty of those!
Maybe you could post a lookup request and the next time some kind soul is going in to Edinburgh/Glasgow to do some research of their own they could check it for you.
The costs involved with certificates do make this a rather expensive hobby!
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Lots of Sproats listed in the Death Notices of the Wigtownshire Free Press (covers KKD)
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~leighann/wfp/deaths/27.html
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Thanks. Looks interesting and will look more closely soon. :-*
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New part to an old thread . . hope you can help. Jessie Porter (dau Wm Porter & Agnes Sproat) married Wm Boyd in 1872 in Gibbshouse. They dont appear to have had any children but they did have a child born at their home in 1887 - Sarah Young Watson illegitimate dau Margaret Mair Watson. in 1891 census SYW shows as 4yo boarder of Wn & Janet. In 1901 she shows as 14yo dau Sarah Boyd. Sarah went on to be known as Sadie Winifred Boyd, who emigrated to Australia & married John McKinstry in 1915.
in the 1901 census, Elizabeth Sloan also appears as Sister in law to Wm Boyd.
if anyone has any info on Margaret Mair (who m Wm Dobie in 1891) or Sarah-Sadie, I'd love to hear . . i i suspect Sarah's dad MIGHT have been a John Loudon who lived at Clonyard house. Any pix out there of Gibbs house or Clonyard House?
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Hi Syasmum,
Thanks for the info.
Are your ancestors the same as mine or are you like Kirsty and love solving problems?
It's a long time since I have dipped into my tree because I hit a brick wall on all branches.
However, I do have a picture of Gibbs House which was taken in the 60's. The farmland was sold off to a holiday chalet company.
Gibbs House has since been renovated and more wings added. The views from the house are glorious.
I'd love to hear what your connection to the family is and in the meantime I'll try and attach the photo. (Have just tried but can't find it. Busy at the moment but will keep looking.)
Shirley
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Hi Shirley
Sadie Boyd is my hubbies grannie. We had traced her back to Wm & Agnes via her marriage certificate (which listed Wm & Jessie Boyd as her parents). Couldnt find her birth certificate then realised Wm & Jessie way too old to have been her parents. That lead to the Sarah Young Watson connection.
I see you are Eliz Sloan gt gt grandaughter. Do yo have a ree on Ancestry.com?
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Hi Syasmum,
No, sorry, I don't have an Ancestry tree. I only used to use Ancestry for the info. I have a private Family tree maker.
As soon as I have some time I shall enter your info on my tree and work out how your husband and I are related.
Elizabeth Sloan (nee Porter) married John and had a son, John who was born in Kippford. His father was drowned at sea when John junior was only 2 yrs of age. He went to Preston University and met my G Grandmother Louisa Stanton in Liverpool.
Elizabeth remained a widow for the rest of her life.
Where do you live now? What is your name?
Shirley
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Hi Shirley
my name is Frana McKinstry, i live in Townsville, North Qld Australia. I was born in NZ & my family on Father's side all from Scotland, Mum's side all English (+ via Ireland), but both lots had emigrated to NZ & Australia. Jon (hubbbie) fathers side all Scots-Irish and his mum all English.
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Hi Frana,
I have found pics of Gibbs House. I don't know whether Rootschat will allow all of them but I'll try and send them.
I don't think the rules allow private email addresses either.
Shirley
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Hi Frana,
Here is the the inscription on Grave 224 at Colvend cemetary;
Inscription 224
In memory of William Porter, who died at Gibbshouse, 19th April 1867, aged 86 years, at the same place Agnes Sproat, spouse of the above who died 16th Dec’r. 1867 aged 78 years. And Thomas Porter, their son who died at Woodhouse, 28th Dec’r. 1868, aged 59 years. Also Peter Porter, who died at Gibbshouse, 24th May 1880, aged 74 years. Jessie Boyd wife of William Boyd, who died at Gibbshouse, 19th March 1901 aged 61 years. Elizabeth Sloan, wife of John Sloan, and daughter of the above William Porter, died at Gibbshouse, 25th July 1916, aged 89 years. 'Thy will be done.’
I found this in www.kirkyards.co.uk
Did you receive the pic of Gibbs House?
Shirley