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My Grandfather Edward E Hill was born at 22, Grove Road, Islington East in 1878.
I have searched old maps but cannot find where Grove Rd. is. I would like to find where it is so that I can search the 1881 Census for him, thats if the family are still living there.
Peter
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you dont need to know where it is - theres an address index feature in the 1881 search engine (unlike the other years in the Ancestry implementation)
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Added: having said that theres no actual Grove Road I can see in Islington East or West .... only one in Tottenham :-[
Update - Islington St Mary !
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A couple of sites which may help:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050220052044/members.aol.com/WHall95037/londonw.html
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/lon-str.html
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http://londonpublichouse.com/LondonPubs/Islington/InglebyArms.shtml
- there was a pub on this street, the 1881 census details are given so you can find them and then look for neighboring Hills (on the free site, instead of on A*. :D). At No 22. Grove Road in 1881 are several households:
1) William Richards, wife Sarah, daughters Bertha and Edith A, and a visitor, Rebecca Melton.
2) George and wife Ellen Brown
3) James and Elizabeth Walker, several children, mother in law Sarah Williamson
Edward E. Hill might be with father Edward and mother Annie at Prince Edward Street?
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A good exercise ! Just shows that sub-regn districts are useful keywords ..... and Rd vs Road vs R too.
PS. The 1881 on Ancestry is free ! ;)
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Thanks for all the information, I have searched Enumeration District with Grove Rd in but found nothing. It was in the Holloway area.
I will now search Elmore St in the 1881 Census just in case they have been indexed wrong as they appear to be living there later on.
Edward Ernest Hill father was William E Hill a furrier, mother Frances Hill. I believe they are living at 40 Elmore St, Islington on the 1891 Census, but his age is 26 it should be 46. I believe this to be correct as Edward was born at Holloway on the Census.
Frances died in 1897 at 39 Elmore St. His married daughter is living at 12, Elmore St on the 1901 Census.
There are many William Hill's living in Islington, his middle name varies from Edmund, Edward and Edwin.
Peter
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1891 - RG12/165; Folio 65; Page 24 - @ 44, Elmore Street, Islington South
William (26 ? ) is a 'Working Furrier' - born Clerkenwell
Ernest - 12, born Holloway ....
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I cant find them in 1881 - the only Wm Hill who was a Furrier, born c1844 in Islington - is married to an Abigail, and they dont have an Edward / Ernest ::)
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I have this information, the more I collect the more I get confused.
The William Hill whose wife is Abigail is a problem. On the 1891 Census she is visiting her daughter in Tottenham whose husband is also a Furrier. I cannot find her on the 1901 Census.
On the 1901 Census there is a William Hill visiting a Caroline Langdell a widow, he has with him a daughter Eliza, I have her birth cert it states that the mother is Caroline Hill nee Prior I cannot find a marriage for them.
William Hill's wife Frances maiden name was Atkinson on the 1881 Census in Shoreditch there is a William Atkinson furrier with wife Frances and son Edward aged 2 born Holloway, the same as the 1891 Hill Census.
I cannot find a wedding for this couple, or William and Frances. I wonder if my William had two families on the go?
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Not this marriage then ?
Marriages Dec 1875
GIRDLER Frances Islington 1b 533
Hill William Islington 1b 533
the 1901 Census there is a William Hill visiting a Caroline Langdell a widow, he has with him a daughter Eliza
They are shown as visitors - and he's 57, she's 1 - so could be a grandchild if related at all ?
I guess you got the maiden name of Atkinson from a Birth Cert ?
Wouldnt be the first time that someone changed their name - the 1881 would explain a lot ! esp if they dont show on the 1891 .... but Hill does ?
Does sound convoluted !
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That 1881 Atkinson family gets even better ..... Wm is born Clerkenwell - matching 1891, and they also have a 5 month old dau Frances - so the 2 year-sets match almost pefectly !
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Thats what I think sometimes, Frances Ella Hill died from Cirrhosis of the liver.
I have the birth cert for a Frances Christina Atkinson born 12 Oct 1880 at Hoxton, Shoreditch to Frances Ella Atkinson and Edward William Atkinson occupation Furrier. Frances was the informant.
I wonder if she was under the influence and sometimes gave her maiden name instead of her married name.
The marriage cert for Frances Christina Hill in 1900 her father is William Edwin Hill Farrier (this could be Furrier). She gives her address as 60, Elmore St.
There is a Frances Christina Hill born Q4 1881 but her father is John.
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I will have to get this marrige and see I have many wrong certs.
Marriages Dec 1875
GIRDLER Frances Islington 1b 533
Hill William Islington 1b 533
On Eliza Hill birth cert her father is William Edmund Hill, Furrier. She was born at 16, South St, Islington which is close to Elmore St.
Peter
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Peter. This is Grove Road shown on a map of Islington, London, 1862.
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Thanks for the map but I cannot find the location, is it from the 1862 Stanford map.
Peter
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Andover Road and Alexander Road are still there if you look at Street map. It is probably what is now called Tollington Place or just below
Look for Alexander road on the Charles Booth map http://booth.lse.ac.uk/cgi-bin/do.pl?sub=view_booth_and_barth&args=530150,186425,1,large,0
Sylviaann
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Installed new computer hence delay in replying, have found Grove Rd, thankyou.
I ordered the William Hill Frances Girdler marriage cert but it was an unrelated marriage.
I did obtain the marriage cert for William Hill and Abigail son William in 1889 to see if his father was still alive, he was. So where was he in 1891 when his wife Abigail was visiting her daughter in Tottenham. I also cannot find them in 1901.
On Williams 1889 marriage cert his father's middle name is Edmund and on his 1868 birth cert it is Edwin. The same middle name variations as my William.
I am wondering if William Edmund Hill Furrier had two families.
Peter
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Seems Grove Road was renamed Tollington Way in 1940 - according to a 1980s local reference book "Streets with a Story - the book of Islington". That's all it says about it.
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This is probably too late to reply, but I thought I would mention it anyway.
Grove Rd, N7 was renamed (possibly in the 1950’s) to Tollington Way. I spent my first 7 years of life there and have fond memories.