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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cambridgeshire => Topic started by: Keithchr on Wednesday 18 June 08 23:33 BST (UK)
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Hello :)
Does anyone have access to the above please?
I am searching for the baptism of SARAH STEARN, born in Barnwell, Cambs, abt 1811.
By 1841 she was married (in 1834) to James PURSER and living in London.
Parents names unknown.
Any help or direction would be gratefully received.
Thank you :D
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Theres this one on Camdex
1813 /STEARN Sarah /1yr. /of St.Clements Par. /d. of John & Elizabeth /Camb. St.Giles
Can't see anything listed for Barnwell. She could have been born in Barnwell and baptised elsewhere.
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A couple of marriages on Boyds index.
1810 / STEARN JN / MORLY ELZ / CAMBRIDGE ST BENEDICT
1811 / STEARN JN / FEW ELZ /CAMBRIDGE ST EDWARD
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Thank you Sue, very much much for your help.
Keith :D
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The parish church of Barnwell was St Andrew the Less, now a Cambridge parish.
Andy Loates
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I thought that St. Andrew the Less was a Cambridge city parish at least throughout the 19th century.
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Re:- Barnwell.
Barnwell was a small settlement to the east of Cambridge way back and first settled by a Saxon hermit who built the original chuirch dedicated to St Andrew. Barnwell 'open fields' stretched between the village and Cambridge and when these fields were 'enclosed' in the first decade of the19th century, Cambridge spread out towards Barnwell. This became a notorious slum by the middle of that century. The medieval church of St Andrew the Less is still there but as Barnwell grew a new church, Christ Church on Newmarket Road became the parish church although the parish is still called St Andrew the Less. Early census returns still refer to St Andrew the Less 'otherwise Barnwell'. I have a CFHS issue of the parish registers so will look up your query. Be lucky Andy Loates
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Whoops,
There is an easier way. Go to the Cambridgeshire Family History Society website, scroll down to 'Searchable Databases' then to the Baptism Index 1801 -1837. This will give you all you need to know but allow for variant spellings e.g Sterne, Stearn et al
Andy
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Interesting stuff. I remember my grandmother telling me that she had been born and brought up in Cambridge Place, which was apparently a horrendous slum area, though it seemed to border on large expensive houses in Cambridge where she and many others worked as domestic staff. This post would appear to bear that out.
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Barnwell
At the first census in 1801 the population of St Andrew the Less parish was just 252. In the 1841 census there were 9486 - that's what I call growth! Yes it was a slum and much of it remained so until the early 20yh century. All my family came from there.
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My maternal grandmother was born in Cambridge Place, her maiden name Brignell, other surnames in her tree Willis, Hoye and Moule. Her Willis ancestors were born in Shelford and Hauxton in the 1810s, so were presumably part of the great incoming which swelled the parish of St. Andrew the Less.
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Re:- Barnwell
Local historian Mike Petty has a column in the Cambridge News called 'Looking Back' where he reprints articles from the paper from way back. This was reported on March 9th 1910.
"It was incredible to hear of the conditions that existed in Barnwell", said the Rev Gwinn. "There was one road which in winter was almost knee-deep in mud. The children could not step from their doors without going ankle deep. Five children in that street had been taken away with scarlet fever recently, partly owing to the sanitary arrangements and partly due to stuff that was thrown out into the road".
I had an ancestor who was living in Cambridge Place in 1824. I've never been able to find out where it was. The current Cambridge Place, or what's left of it is just off Regent Street and not in the Barnwell area.
I have a lot of parish registers published by the Cambs Family History Socy. Is there anyone you'd like me to look up?
Cheers Andy Loates
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Thanks Andy? Will get back to you on that one.
Roger
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Hello, was just browsing the threads here & saw the name Barnwell. I'm interested as I've reached a brick wall with the search for my g-grandfather. He died here in Australia but all his records show him as being born in England...the difficulty is that there is conflicting information. We have no birth certificate but I do have those of his children, his second marriage & his death. Even when he was the one providing the info, he gave his birthplace as variously Barnwell St Andrews, Norths; Brampton, England; Huntingdon; & Cambridge. His death certificate says Northamptonshire.
I am wondering if anyone can offer help to find William Watson, b. c 1821. His marriage certificate gives his father as James, gardener. By my reckoning, he came to Australia around 1835 (family lore has it that he was a boy convict but I have yet to prove that).
I'll check out the info given in this thread but I'm hoping someone might be able to add some points that will help me.
Thanks...Judy
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Hi Judy
You have the wrong Barnwell. Judging by your info. you need the Barnwell in Northamptonshire. Google 'Barnwell Northants' and see what comes up. I've been onto famiilysearch.org (IGI) but at the moment they are having a sort-out on their site. You mention Brampton also. An ancient shire over a 1000 years old but politics wiped it off the map when it was amalgamated with Cambridgeshire in 1974. Bramptonm and Barnwell would no have been far apart. I'll fish around some to see what turns up. Be lucky Andy Loates
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Of course I should have said that Brampton was in Huntingdonshire !!!!!
Sorry. Andy
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Thank you, Andy. My William Watson is proving very elusive prior to his second marriage to my g-grandmother & the subsequent birth of many children (only know of the first marriage because he was described as a widower on the second marriage certificate, & the previous marriage is mentioned on the birth certificates of the first 2 children). Sometimes I wonder if his birth name was something else (maybe a confused spelling or a deliberate change), or perhaps he was older than he owned up to.
I check Freegen every so often in the hope that old Northamptonshire & Huntingdonshire parish transcripts might fnally appear & I can browse for possibilities. I realise Place of Birth & Baptisms could be different - might be a possible explanation for the vagaries in the certificates I have.
I would appreciate any possible information - this is one brick wall I would dearly love to break down as William & his wife Margaret are virtually invisible prior to their marriage. It's one family branch that I just can't trace back at all.
Regards...Judy
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Judy.
I see what you mean!!
There is a chance he was never baptised/christened and births are only registered after Jul 1 1837. Also if his parents were 'dissenters' i.e Methodists, Wesleyans, Anabaptists etc. his christening may be tucked away and not yet published online. Have you checked the passenger lists for poms? There is a good Oz site for this. Look out for variations. Those who compiled the passenger lists were not fussy. I had trouble finding a Loates that went out there. He turned up listed as Looks !! But again, how many variations of Watson could you get? Going deeper, he may not have been a Watson. If he was a boy convict and smart kid he could have given a wrong name from the outset.
I'll keep digging this end.
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Remember too,that if his ancestors were Baptists then there will by definition be no record of an infant baptism. Baptism in this church is by total immersion of adults.
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Have you checked Barnwell St Andrew, Northants parish register for his baptism? Unlike many Northants parishes it's been filmed by the LDS so is available to order and view at your nearest LDS Family History Centre. If he's not there then try the other Barnwell in Northants- All Saints. If neither comes up trumps then that's the time to start thinking about possible non-conformity, Brampton Hunts parish register (which hasn't been filmed by the LDS so is only available at Huntingdon Records Office) etc
David
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Thank you, everyone. I would have expected William Watson to be baptised in the Church of England, rather than in any other church, as his marriages were in a C of E, but I guess that could just as easily have been a wife's choice, rather than his.
Maybe I've been looking in the wrong place but I've never seen any Barnwell, Norths records on IGI, though I have seen other Norths records there. Might check again if the site is now clear.
Sadly my local LDS church closed its access to family history research several years ago due to lack of staff (the local genealogy society offered to run it for them but they would not allow non-church members to do that) & the nearest access is several hours away - so that will have to be a future option for now.
I will keep plugging away - who knows what might turn up on the Net someday?? Can't see myself being able to visit the local UK records offices for a leisurely search any time soon (unless there is a huge tackle shop & river next door - that might prompt my husband to book plane tickets from Oz, lol).
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Hello Andy,
Just stumbled across this thread.
The marriages on 18 July 1830 of one of my 3 x great-grandfathers, George Berry, and his elder brother, Robert were recorded in the Barnwell parish register.
The brothers were from Wickham Skeith in Suffolk, where Robert had been baptised as a 16-year-old. He was most likely a baptist. I have found no baptism record for George, but his children worshipped at the Zion Baptist Chapel, and it is reasonable to assume that he too was a Baptist.
Do you know whether it was common practice for non-conformist marriages to be recorded in the Barnwell PRs?
Justin
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In 1830 the only non-conformist faiths that were permitted to conduct their own marriages were Jews and Quakers. All other non-conformists were obliged to marry in the established church if they wanted their marriage to be legal.
Things changed with the advent of civil registration in 1837.
Post 1753 it wasn't a case of non-conformist marriages being recorded in the parish register. It was that the marriage actually took place in the parish church with a Church of England ceremony
David
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Thank you David.
That's pretty straight forward. I think I need to do my homework on non-conformists.
Justin
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If we can help Justin please ask.
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My great-grandmother, Emma Moore, was born in Barnwell in 1843. It was, as described above, a horrible slum. In 1876, the year Emma gave birth to my paternal grandmother Annie Eliza Matthews, in Holloway, North London (also a poverty-stricken area!), a putative cousin of Emma's, Robert Browning, murdered a young prostitute Emma Rolfe on Midsummer Common and was hanged in Dec same year.
I stumbled - almost literally - on Emma's grave in Barnwell (NOT St Andrew the Less graveyard, but a cemetery) earlier this year.
F.T. Unwin, a local resident of Barnwell, has written several books about growing up in the area in the 1920s/30s when it was still a slum.
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My grandmother, and her very exztended family lived in Cambridge Place and its immediate environs in the 19th century. It looks very much from the little that I have been able to verify that they were part of the great migration to Cambridge in the early 19th century.
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My 14 time great grandfather JOHN DUST lived at Barnwell and made a will in 1521.
He and his son John DUST, d 1557 are said to be buried at Barnwell.
There seem to be two parish churches.
Do any headstones survive from that early ?
It would be good to know.
Ruari HM
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Extremely unlikely that there is any surviving memorial after this length of time, unless they were aristocrats or landed gentry and either buried in the church itself, or have a surviving memorial plaque within the church. Burials in the churchyard by this time will have been cut and recut several times. I believe that on average a buried body a little over one hundred years before decomposition is complete.