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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: TF13 on Wednesday 18 June 08 12:16 BST (UK)
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hi, this is my first post so apologises if i mess it up! i'm looking for william fox,born 26 sept 1824 in co.armagh, who apparently died in new zealand.
also anne maguire(nee fox) born 23 oct 1836@killylyn armagh,married john maguire(presumably in armagh) and died in auckland new zealand.
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Sorry...I can only offer a friendly hello to welcome you to Rootschat and wish you well in your search :D
:) mare
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Birth registration in Ireland only began in 1864 so for earlier dates you to search for church records (if they exist).
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thanks for the welcome mare :)
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its what happened to them when they went to new zealand is whats interesting me aghadowey :) i think i have the family tied down in ireland.
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You have exact birth dates for both of them are they siblings?
Any idea or approximation of her age or year of death in Auckland or when Anne and John left Ireland ?
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yeah, william and anne were brother and sister,two out of a family of eight. i have no idea when anne and john got married,thats another item i have on my ever growing list :)
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And they may not have come to NZ together if you think Anne and John were married in Ireland.
Did notice another posting from ronica re a William Fox Ireland to Au. on Ireland general board. Aghadowey you may help link thread if you think possibility of connection both scanty in detail at the moment.
good luck and goodnight, past midnight here :)
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IGI shows two possible children for Anne and John (listing parents as John McGuire and Ann Fox):
Hugh, b. 8 Jun 1865, Banbridge, Co. Down.
Rose, b. 17 Feb 1870, Co. Down
http://0-www.aucklandcity.govt.nz.www.elgar.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/passengers/passenger.html
shows, arrived 1885 on the Doric:
Maguires:
Ann, Emms, Hugh, James, John, Maggie, Mary.
alternatively, arrived 1883 on the Langstone:
Ann, John, Joseph.
Also the cemetery database shows an Annie Maguire, buried at Waikaraka, wife of John, died in 1908 aged 69 or 70. Also her husband John died in 1912 aged 80.
1881 Electoral Roll of Auckland does not show a John Maguire or a William Fox.
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thanks jorose, that sounds possible. the banbridge bit is putting me off though. i found the waikaraka graveyard but the ages are just off. you've given me possibles which is more than i've found, thanks ;D
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the banbridge bit is putting me off though.
Banbridge in the birth for Hugh McGuire is the registration district (the birth certificate will give the name of the actual townland)
Banbridge is only a few miles from County Armagh border. It's possible that the family came from somewhere in County Armagh not far from Banbridge.
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nzbound/ Early Shipping
http://www.findmypast.com/ Shipping 1890 +
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ National Archives, Wills +
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03dc/ To obtain NZ certificates
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast Old NZ Newspapers
http://www.purewa.co.nz/search.asp A large Auckland cemetery
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/search.php Wellington “
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/ Christchurch “
http://www.whitepages.co.nz/Pages/Home/0,2622,a1281,00.html Phonebook
http://www.genealogy.org.nz/Sales_11.aspx Society of Genealogists
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mk2-zephyr :o thanks a million for all the links! that should keep me busy for a while :)
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aghadowey, your right. with all the replies coming fast and furious yesterday i forgot the fact that anne fox had a brother who married,lived and died in tullylish,gilford which would, i think, come under banbridge district :) a case of not seeing the wood for the trees for me ;D
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hi all, just wanted to say thanks for all the help! if anyone else has any information they think can help then please do add a post, nothing on william fox yet.
i am now a fan of rootschat ;D
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I am currently researching my great grandmother and great grandfathers ancestory thus how i came across your posting. I am Irish and my great grandmother is Mary Maguire from Gilford, Co Down. Her siblings were Annie, Margaret, Emma, John, Joseph, James and Hugh. Hugh emigrated to New Zealand. Hughs sister Mary married my great grandfather William Boyle in 1884 in Gilford. My great grandfather died in 1932 in Gilford and Mary died in 1934(circa). Mary was the Head Mistress of a school in Gilford. There is a memorial to both of them in Gilford erected by the school that they both worked in. They went on to have 12 children one of whom was my grandfather - Gerard. On another note my aunt previously advised me that there was a Fox connection somewhere in the family.
I hope this information may be of help to you and please feel free to contact me. I will try to get further information for you on the other siblings.
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:) Welcome to Rootschat Kevin and it would be great if this is a connection you are both looking for.
:) mare
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thanks mare !
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hi Kevin B,
i read your post for a long time and you've definitely threw me!
i should start with what i know for fact,
my great grandfather had a sister called anne fox born 23 oct 1836.
thats it,thats the only thing i'm sure of!
the rest must have been passed down,family legend sort of thing,
anne married a john maguire,emmigrated and died in auckland
new zealand.i have looked for some sort of proof for the marriage
but cant find it.
if you read the previous posts you'll see why i think they settled
around gilford,mainly because annes brother terence married in tullylish
and opened a pub in gilford.the pubs still there but i dont know if any
foxes still own it.
also did you see the post from jorose, the names are near identical
to the family of your great grandmother! but their names came from a passenger list to new zealand!?
i will hunt for my notes,bits of paper, and see whats in them!
it looks like we are either connected or i've been researching your
family tree!!!
tony
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Tony,
how are things?....looks like we are related some way...relayed info to my dad who has vague stories,due to the fact that his grand parents died before he was born. anyway today he mentioned that indeed there were foxes in the family and he mentioned that they owned the pub....not sure if it is still there. This is the must productive source to date....the thing is i was trying to find out my about my great grand father William Boyle who married Mary maguire, he came from Ballybofey in Donegal. Do not know how he came to be in Gilford but there you go. The trail went cold but will continue...
look up this website if you get a chance .....
www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910Gilford.php...or simply google 1910 gilford ...
on the above website i discovered my great grandfather on list of inhabitants and a peter fox as a wine merchant..do not about him...
Can you tell me about my great grand mother if you have anything( Mary Maguire ...my sister has a an old photo of her and her children. If you wish i could scan it and email it...Can you fill in some details of the New zealand connection...was John maguire Mary's father?....
keep in touch as the rest of our clan( as it were) are intrigued about their genealogy....
Kevin
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:) By the way Tony it is Gilford county Armagh,,,,,,how did I get mixed up with Down and Im from Northern Ireland!!!!!!
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hi kevin,
i make the same mistake, i always call gilford co. down and i was born
and bred in portadown!
i'm still not sure we're connected though.
the peter fox you mentioned was the son of annes brother terence.
do you have any birth dates for mary or her siblings?
tony
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hi kevin,
i found this;
william boyle married mary maguire 31 dec. 1884
banbridge roman catholic church
parish seapatrick
civil district banbridge
this would be your great grandfather and great grandmother :)
tony
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Tony that is indeed them....you mentioned william Fox Annes brother....wonder is that my great great grandmother?......my Great Grandfather was born in 1855 ..Mary was a tad younger....they are buried in laurence town catholic church...seen it a few years ago...where do you come in?....are you connected on some way...are you residing now in New zealand or Portadown?
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hi kevin,
no, i'm still in northern ireland.
the problem is that if john maguire and anne fox went to
new zealand then they would be different to your maguires,
we need to find the parents of your mary to see if her mother
was anne fox and then find a record of anne marrying john maguire!
by the sound of it the fox connection in gilford is a good shout,
but this is all as clear as mud :)
tony
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Tony all i know that Hugh left for NZ and possible a sibling...my father knows little of his grand parents which is odd....but who knows they have left for NZ ...you seem to be well up on the databases...need to know william Boyles father.....is the office records in Belfast..remember enquiring some years ago and was told could research for free and get assistance from a researcher.....as you know this business can get tiresome when the leads turn cold ...but occasionally i get back to it...as i said Ill try and dig further on Mary Maguire....
by the way ..did you check the emerald ancestors website ..seems good put in details, found out about the marriage details on William and Mary but have to pay for access which i may do....
good luck your end and thanks for getting back..
Kevin
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kevin
i'll send you a personal message with my email and we could have a chat maybe 2moro?
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Ok, thats fine
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8) Looking promising and good to have two hounds on the Fox hunt :D
If you think any of those Maguires listed at Waikaraka cemetery Auckland NZ are yours I could have a look sometime to see what there is to photograph for you.
Good Luck
:) mare
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hi mare,
thats a fantastic offer :)
the annie maguire died 30 sept 1908 married to john would be
the one i'd be interested in.
dont go out of your way to do it but if you could it would be cool 8)
thanks
tony
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I can do that for you 'sometime' in near future Tony... It looks like John is in the same plot too.
:) mare
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Reference Fox's Bar in Gilford, my great Grandfather Terence Fox built this house. I have stumbled upon RootsChat'com by accident and have attempted to contact Kevin B. I would be grateful if you could pass this message on to him. I was aware that my father was taught by William Boyle but did not know that they were related. Regards PPF
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hi ppf,
my g grandfather would be the brother of your g grandfather!
if i'm right?
tony
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Welcome to Rootschat PPF :)
After a couple of postings from you the little green scroll for personal message contact will show up under users names and you'll be able to have offline chat if you wish :)
Wonderful to get more response on the thread ... and exciting ... you'll be organising a family reunion before you know it :D
Have had very wet wintery conditions in Auckland ::) waiting for an opportunity to do the graveyard walk with camera ... roll on Springtime.
:) mare
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Reference Fox's Bar in Gilford, my great Grandfather Terence Fox built this house. I have stumbled upon RootsChat'com by accident and have attempted to contact Kevin B. I would be grateful if you could pass this message on to him. I was aware that my father was taught by William Boyle but did not know that they were related. Regards PPF
Tony, I haven't a great deal of information on Terence Fox as I think he died in the 1880s or 90s. I was always told that he originally came from Tullysarren in Co Armagh. He married Catherine Blacker whose family were rich Protestant landowners ( the Fox's always kept this a secret and I only found this out after my father died in 1995 ). It would appear that Terence did Quite well for himself. Not only did he build the pub but he owned the whole street which was still referred to locally as Terry's Row right up to the 1980s. His son Peter Fox who is referred to in the1910 directory had the pub up to his death in 1933. He had two sons, Edward and my father Terry. I was born in Lurgan in 19X4 and my childhood days sort of revolved around the pub. I always assumed it would be mine. Sadly my aunts sold it in 1989 and it now trades under the dreadful name of "Wee Minnies". With the exception of my father the Fox's are all buried in Laurencetown Churchyard by the wall at the side of the church. One last thing for now, despite the debate and the postcodes, Gilford is in Co. Down. Regards Peter.
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Welcome to Rootschat PPF :)
After a couple of postings from you the little green scroll for personal message contact will show up under users names and you'll be able to have offline chat if you wish :)
Wonderful to get more response on the thread ... and exciting ... you'll be organising a family reunion before you know it :D
Have had very wet wintery conditions in Auckland ::) waiting for an opportunity to do the graveyard walk with camera ... roll on Springtime.
:) mare
Thanks for your reply Mare. I'm still trying to get the hang of this site
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peter, i'll send you a personal message
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if he posts once more (anything) it should be all sweet.
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peter, apparently if you do one more post then the p.m.'s will work.
by the way,i'm glad i was right about gilford co. down :)
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You're doing just fine there Peter ... looks like you and Tony and Kevin will have plenty to discuss ... wishing you all the best with it guys ...
:) mare
Hi MK2.. yep just a :) will do
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peter, i'll send you a personal message
[/quote Tony, got your message, Can't beleive that within a day of tapping Fox's bar Gilford into google, I could have come up with so much information that I assumed was lost forever. I'll sitdown over the weekend and come up with anything else that might be of interest. However I have nothing else on the Armagh fox's. My father's generation were convinced thar Terence hailed from Tullysarren so it just goes to show. Nice to confirm though that my people came from the orchard county and not Down. I was also of the opinion that myself and my sister were all that remained of the fox family into the 21st century. I'ts great to find out that this was not the case. However the is a family of bookmakers in Bangor co Down who are supposed to be connected also. We didn't manage to hold on to Terence Fox's land or property but at least the blood line continues. Talk soon, Peter. Thanks to all the others for your interest and encouragement
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Hi Tony and Peter....sorry just catching up today....Peter how was my great grandfather William Boyle related....was informed there were indeed a 'fox' connection......my great grand mother Mary Maguire's was possibly an Anne fox ( I believe)....
Peter can you shine some light on this. Tony anything new on the New zealand connections?.. :)
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just being some research on Mary maguire birth and marriage details ...narrowed her down and if it is the Mary in question, it has John as the details of father. I assume that is john Fox ...could be wrong but need to pay for further access which i will do in the next few days and will construct a family tree....if that is the case, which im sure it is then i could be a related in some way.
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Sorry Peter freudian slip ...yes your right John maguire....no his wife ann i aasume was fox ;)
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Tony i mean't ...fraid my head is a bit sore met up with my brother last night and ...well you know how it is!!!
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:) Photo of headstone Annie and John Maguire taken today. Stone itself is intact and readable condition though the concrete plot is in a sorry state.
Nice patch of sunshine between the showers to coincide with the visit too :)
Waikaraka Cemetery is on flat land and the excessive rain we've had has made everywhere wet underfoot so went prepared.
I could possibly post pic :-\ unsure if there is an issue there, it is nearly 100yrs since burial... Mk 2 you might have an answer for me there please :)
Otherwise Tony, if you PM me your email address I will forward it (them) to you that way..
:) mare
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On the Cemetery Records there were 11 recorded Maguire details
There were three more in the same location as Annie and John with no inscription..
Margaret died 22.5.1948 aged 75
Annie died 16.10.1951 aged 85
Emma Jane died 20.3.1958 aged 84
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I wouldn't think there is any issue with a grave stone. :)
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8) Ta .. just being cautious
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:) Pics sent to Tony's email address
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Perhaps I should put up the inscription on the stone :
In Loving Memory of
Annie
beloved wife of
John Maguire
Who Departed This Life
30th September 1908
Aged 70 years
RIP
ALSO
For The Repose of the Soul of
John Maguire
Who Died April 26th 1912
Aged 80 years
May Their Souls Rest In Peace
Mc nab & Mason
and hopefully no objection, the long shot pic...
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Tony i mean't ...fraid my head is a bit sore met up with my brother last night and ...well you know how it is!!!
Fellow foxys was full of good intention for following up on my ancestors this weekend. However I live in the 21st century and theres 3 little 21st century foxs to deal with plus a foxy lady ( thank god ) but I'm thrilled that I stumbled upon all of this. Best wishes to all of you and yours " sionnach aboo"
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Mare, you must be a lovely person, Peace and love from the Fox Family Co. Antrim Northern Ireland
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Just happy to be able to help in some small way Peter
ps ... lots of lovely Irish names in that section
:) mare
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Mare, my children are called Patrick, Michael and Sarah, not really Irish but popular here none the less. Peter Fox, my grandfather married Sarah O'Gorman from Dundalk Co. Louth. My mothers people haile from co. Limerick. their name was Sheehan, Could I also be related to Frank Mc Court of Angela's Ashes fame ???
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Tony are you on here tonight ....long time no hear.....anything from Peter. Like yourself Im sure, left the searching for a while. Was in Newry last week and hoped to get down to Gilford but alas no. Anything new on John Maguire or indeed Anne Maguire( Fox) ..
Kevin
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i should have done an update before now,apologises.
the john and annie maguire(nee fox) that are buried in waikaraka cemetary are the ones that i was after :) i got the death cert printout for annie and her parents names confirmed it. "where died" was listed as ponsonby.
the cert said that annie had been in new zealand for 23 years so she arrived on the doric in 1885. the anne that was listed arriving on the langstone in1883 must have been her daughter travelling with john,father,and a brother.
all the names that jorose found on post#3 match the children of annie and john that i have found out about, from this side of the world,except for rose who seems to have been left out! the one child that was left behind in ireland was kevinb's great grandmother who married william boyle,the mary maguire listed arriving on the doric was probably the same mary who was god-parent to one of the children.
i hope this all makes sense!
i found out,thanks to althea,that john maguire was living on the ponsonby road in 1892 which tallies with where annie died,though it looks like a fair distance to waikaraka cemetery!
i would like to say thanks to jorose, mk2 and mare who helped me out.
a special thanks to mare, who is an absolute gem ;D 8)
the only thing that would make this perfect would be if someone posted saying "hi, i'm descended from..."! you never know ;)
tony
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Hi
Very impressive work here everyone. I shall explain how I fit in.
I am descended from Elizabeth Blacker who I suspect was the sister of the Ann Blacker who married Bernard Fox from Killylyn, Grange, Armagh and had the Terence Fox in 1831 who married Catherine Blacker in 1863 and was the landlord of what is now Wee Minnies in Gilford. My mother was born in Tullysaran and I have lots of connections there. A witness to my great grandfather Joseph O'Neill's marriage to Sarah Gillen in 1863 was a Margaret Fox who I think would have been his cousin born in 1820 to Ann Blacker (assuming I am right about the siblings). Killylyn is very close to Tullysaran and a lot of the weddings and possibly baptisms were in Armagh City itself, I think. So the idea that the Fox's came from Tullysaran seems quite reasonable to me.
I am not sure about Catherine Blacker being a Protestant. There have been plenty of Catholic Blackers in Armagh and I have written a lot about them without being at all clear about where my Elizabeth Blacker originated. She started her family in Loughgilly. Later children were baptised in Armagh and it was when I was looking for my great grandfather's baptism I stumbled across Ann Blacker's Terence being baptised in 1831(I believe her name was wrongly transcribed by rootsirend.ie and that threw me of the scent for years!). But now I am closer than ever to locating my Blackers, so if anyone can help.....
In any case everyone is welcome to my piece on the Blackers.
John
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Correction: I should have written Mary Fox rather than Margaret Fox. She went on to marry Hugh Campbell in 1881. I don't have a birth record but if I have the right one in the 1901 Census (and she was being honest) she would have been born around 1845, which seems a bit too late in relation to her other siblings and I guess would have made her too young (only around 18) to be a witness, I would guess. The other witness, clearly from the bride's family, George Gillen, would have been 21, 26 (1st definitely unmarried, 2nd probably unmarried) or 70 (definitely married). I have no idea about customs as to witnesses in those days. But a family connection to the Foxes via the Blackers looks very likely to me.
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Pm sent to John.