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Just got a cert. for the marriage of my grandparents, and it gives my grandfather's address as 40 Chambers Street, Dublin. It didn't ring any bells, and there seems to be no street currently with that name. Maybe it disappeared or got re-named (the cert. is from 1894). Can anybody please advise where Chambers Street was? There's a possibility that I'm mis-reading the cursive writing, but I can't see what else it could say. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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I have just had a look on my Dublin map and found a Chamber Street. The map I use is the OS map of Dublin 4th edition. Chamber St is on map 37 C3. It's off Cork St near a Convent. Hope this helps.
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Yes, I have it now. I'm sure that's right, because they set up house just off Greenville Terrace, South Circular Road, so it's in the part of the city I would have expected. Many thanks for finding that - it never occurred to me to try it without the "s."
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hi Luas,
just noticed this post.I also have a marriage cert with this address for both my grandparents.
although they married in 1918 and lived there until about 1930 before moving to kimmage.
the parents of the bride lived in a small cottage in the yard of number 40,I think this may have been a
caretakers cottage at some stage.the marriage took place in st catherines church meath street.
Anne
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Hi Anne. My great-grandfather Thomas Griffin was the head of the household at 40 Chamber Street in 1894, but I can't for the life of me make out his occupation on the certificate. I wish I could scan it so others could hazard a guess. His son James, whose marriage it was, was a baker, but I don't recall my father ever mentioning what his grandfather did. Thomas has gone from the address by the 1911 Census.
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pity about not being able to scan the cert.I wonder if you gave the
reference number for the cert would someone have a way of checking it for you.
I also forgot to mention that number 40 was one of many tenement houses on chamber street.
I seem to remember seeing a photo on line of red brick houses.
chamber street is mentioned a few times in a book called dublin tenement life,
some stories told by people born there,my own dad and several of his siblings were born there and lived there til his mid teens.
Anne
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There's no reference number. This is just a photocopy of the entry, and the bit where the number might be is missing. I do have a scanner I used with the old PC, but I have no installation software, so I never got around to using it with the new computer. I'm told you can download the software from the scanner manufacturer's website. I'll see about doing that, then I can post the writing and see if anyone can make it out. That book sounds interesting. I must look out for it.
Paul
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I've just received a copy of my great great grandparent's marriage entry. John Barry and Catherine McGauran (sometimes McGovern) at St. Catherine's, Meath Street - Sept 15, 1866. Catherine's address given as 40 Chamber Street. Her father was Ml. McGauran, Labourer.
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Here is an old pic of Chamber St.
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Thanks so much for posting that. I couldn't imagine what Chamber Street looked like. Is that the spire of St. Patrick's Cathedral in the far distance?
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Here is an old pic of Chamber St.
Decam would you know if there is a similar picture of Cork St please? I am hoping to find my ancestors in St Catherine's Meath Street and there were Brooks families living in Cork St in 1844 Jury Lists for Dublin. My ancestors left Dublin when the silk weaving went into decline by 1830's they had moved to Coventry where they continued to be weavers.
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pity about not being able to scan the cert.I wonder if you gave the
reference number for the cert would someone have a way of checking it for you.
I also forgot to mention that number 40 was one of many tenement houses on chamber street.
I seem to remember seeing a photo on line of red brick houses.
chamber street is mentioned a few times in a book called dublin tenement life,
some stories told by people born there,my own dad and several of his siblings were born there and lived there til his mid teens.
Anne
Taid could you give any more details re the book on Dublin Tenement life. What period it covered and when it was printed please? Do you know whether Cork St was mentioned?
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Hi Graham, the book is an oral history so most of the personal
stories were told by people in their seventies and eighties ,
the book was first published in hardback in 1994 and the first
paperback version came out in 1996 but I know there were later
copies made. one presently being advertised as in stock on
Gill&mcmillan .ie
There are old photos but I don't think Cork st was among them.
As well as the stories from residents of the area (and other areas)
there is also information like what official bodies were saying on the problem of tenements e.t.c. A very interesting read.
Anything I know of Cork st and Chamber st would be mostly stories from my parents and older siblings who lived in the area.You will see what changes have taken place there if you check out the link below to the Dublin forums
site which has a lot of photos and memories from people who were originally from the area.
You've also managed to send me down memory lane again :D
although even I have trouble recognising Cork st since all the
changes took place.My visits back there were to visit my grandmother
and aunt.
Anne
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06ny/
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Many thanks Anne. I have never been to Dublin but hope to see it one day.
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Thanks so much for posting that. I couldn't imagine what Chamber Street looked like. Is that the spire of St. Patrick's Cathedral in the far distance?
Your'e most welcome,I would be pretty sure thats St. Patricks Cathedral in the distance,looks like the pic was taken from the Weaver Square end of Chamber St. towards Newmarket with the Cathedral beyond.The alternative would have been taken from the Ardee St. end with the church in Donore Avenue in the distance,but that church doesn't have a spire like that so it's Patricks for me.
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Here is an old pic of Chamber St.
Decam would you know if there is a similar picture of Cork St please? I am hoping to find my ancestors in St Catherine's Meath Street and there were Brooks families living in Cork St in 1844 Jury Lists for Dublin. My ancestors left Dublin when the silk weaving went into decline by 1830's they had moved to Coventry where they continued to be weavers.
I don't have any old pics of Cork St. but if I come across any I will stick them up here.Just as an aside there were still Brooks in the area up to recently.
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Here's a couple of recent pics of Chamber St.
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Good to see those new pics. Is that a speed hump? I was interested in the comment about silk weaving going into decline. My grandmother (who married one of the sons from Chamber Street) was a silk weaver. She'd carried on that trade in Macclesfield, and emigrated with her mother to Dublin for reasons we don't know. She was born in England, although her grandfather had himself emigrated from King's County, so she was coming home in a way. I believe she carried on weaving in Dublin, probably on a loom at home.
Earlier in the thread, I mentioned being unable to make out my great-grandfather's occupation on my grandfather's marriage certificate (Rank or Profession of Father at the extreme right). I've since sorted out the scanner, so I wonder if anybody would like to suggest what it was? I've also attached a couple of smaller images for comparison purposes. I wish people filling these things in would have printed.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/griffin_028/occcupation.jpg)
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/griffin_028/compare.jpg)
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I'd say bootmaker..
I've included an extract from the marriage cert of my gg-grandparents with the same occupation..
Shane
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Bootmaker.
I had relatives in Cork Street. When I went to Dublin a few years ago the house had disappeared.
Kooky
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Many thanks Deccam. IOnteresting to know how late the Brooks survived.
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Hello Luas,
I would say your grandfather's occupation was a Baker.
Here's anoother photo of Chambre Street (southside) leading into the north end of Weavers Square.
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Another from what year i can't be sure
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Good photos. That second one might not be that old. Note the electric cable coming down the front of the building. Could be as recent as 1950s/early 1960s? I know my grandfather was a baker - it's the rank or profession of his father I wasn't sure about. It does look like bootmaker, but some of the letters are a bit ambiguous. I also think it's odd that nobody ever mentioned that we had a bootmaker in the family.
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Thank you to all who have put up photo's of Chamber Street. My gt.grandparents had a dairy business at No.26, Thomas and Mary Phillips. Does anyone remember them ? My mother was born in No.27 in 1905.
Cheers, Maureen
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in the Thom's Directory for 1894 listing for Chamber st there is
no. 26 Thomas Phillips, dairy
no. 27 is tenements (no occupants listed)
in 1914 no. 26 is
J. O'Toole, dairy
Shane
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Hi Shane, Thanks for the quick reply. I have a printout of the 1901 census for them. I think my grandfather died in 1903 and I wonder if the O'Toole that took over the business was a relation of my grandmother because she was Mary Toole before her marriage. In 1911 she is listed as a widow living in No.27 with her son, Michael. In one valuation list I read, Mary Phillips is listed as the owner of No.27, but that could have been the mother of Thomas. Still it all helps to fill in the answers.
Cheers, Maureen.
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working back in time Thomas Phillip is listed at the address from 1894 to 1863
in 1848 and 1850 the same dairy at no 26 is run by a James Phillips, and the street is written as 'Chambre Street'
The John O'Toole who took over the diary is listed on the 1911 census, and was born in county Wicklow - see : http://www.rootschat.com/links/06qu/
Shane
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Hi Shane, Thank you for the further information. I wonder if James Phillips could be my gt.gt.grandfather, my mother had a brother called James, another clue to follow. I had seen that spelling for Chambre St. before on a list of old Dublin streets.
I always smile when I think of the info. on census returns, its only as good as the facts supplied. On the 1901 census my gt. grandfather is married to a lady of 49years born in Co.Dublin. 10 years later my gt. grandmother is a 63 year old widow born in Kildare, no wonder genealogy is difficult. Although I did read somewhere that a lot of people exaggerated their age in 1911 because the retirement pension was being introduced.
Once more thanks for all your trouble.
Cheers, Maureen.
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no problem... one more piece of information for you from the Dublin City Census of 1851 :
Mary Phillips 26 Chamber St.
Th. Phillips 27 Chamber St.
(the census extract only shows heads of household, and address)
also listed at 26 is
Margt. Power
and at 27
Ann Bampton
Martin Byrne
Shane
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I'd like to find out more about my great-grandfather Thomas Griffin's occupation as a bootmaker, assuming that's what it says on the cert. Did he work for somebody else, or would he ever have had premises of his own? I find it odd that my father never referred to this at all, although he often spoke of his father's work at Jacob's. Over here in England, there seem to be very detailed and useful trade directories for the late 19th century. I assume the same must exist for Dublin, and I wonder if anyone has access to these? Thomas Griffin lived at 40 Chamber Street in 1894, the year his son (my grandfather) was married. He's gone from there by the 1911 Census, although his wife (or widow, presumably) is still there.
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Hi Shane, Keep on like this and you will have my Irish family tree done for me(BG) I think the family must have been playing musical houses at that time.
Once more thanks for everything.
Cheers, Maureen.
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I'd like to find out more about my great-grandfather Thomas Griffin's occupation as a bootmaker, .....lived at 40 Chamber Street in 1894, the year his son (my grandfather) was married. He's gone from there by the 1911 Census, .....
In Thom's of 1894 number 27 to 40 are Tenements, so none of the occupants are listed. Sometimes small one man trades, like bootmakers, worked from their home. I dont see any bootmaker businesses listed on Chamber st...
I'll have a look in a bit more detail for Thomas and let you know if I find anything..
Shane
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Thanks Shane. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Paul
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I couldn't find any details on Thomas in directories, so presumably he was employed rather than running his own business. Unfortunately this means he would not usually be included in the Trade listings.
the only Shoe/Boot entry with the surname Griffin that I found was (1894) :
J. Griffin, 21 Capel Street - boot & shoe warehouse
I found a boot/shoe business very close to where Thomas lived where he could have been employed :
Geo. Lang, 44 & 45 Cork St, bootmaker
This was round the corner (100-200m) from where Thomas lived on Chamber St.
Shane
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Shane, many thanks for that information. On the English side of the family, trades (painters and stonemasons) seem to pass down through several generations of the family. It's odd that Thomas Griffin was a bootmaker and his three sons were all labourers, albeit in a good firm like Jacob's. I saw "Who do you think you are?" earlier in the week, and Jacob's were featured. I had no idea they were such a model employer, a bit like Guinness, with health care and dental provision, a swimming pool, dances, etc. I note that they maintain records of employees a very long time ago. If ever I'm over, I must see if anybody can have access to those, or are they just for high-profile television programmes.
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dear All
Re No.26 Chamber Street, The Irish Times shows that Thomas Phillips was charged on 2 occasions with offences relating to his dairy in 1873 and 1888. Revert if you require the references.
Regards
Quaxer
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Hi
I hoping someone might have a picture of Braitwaite Street, my Grandfather and Great grandfather lived at 5 Braitewaite street , and other family members lived at Chamber street(thanks for great pictrures of Chamber St).
Tuamite
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Film of old Dublin (1979) here
Chambers Street and more!!!!!!!!
http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1057365
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Well done Noel,I've been enjoying the reruns of this on RTE
on sundays and have been meaning to visit the website.
I especially enjoyed the first part of the liberties one,it showed the old O'Hora's shop on Francis street,what a pity the programme was made after they demolished the Mushatt building because I've been searching high and low looking for a photo of it as it was where my grand mother was born in
1888 long before Mushatts opened there in 1922
Anne
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Sadly, RTE have put a geoblock on the Player, so you can only receive it in the Republic or Northern Ireland. Curiously, though, I was talking to someone yesterday in Edinburgh who can access it there. She'd posted a link to the RTE version of Who Do You Think You Are? on a family history forum I belong to. We have no idea why she can get it in Scotland and I can't in Lancashire.
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Hi
I hoping someone might have a picture of Braitwaite Street, my Grandfather and Great grandfather lived at 5 Braitewaite street , and other family members lived at Chamber street(thanks for great pictrures of Chamber St).
Tuamite
These are pics of Braithwaite St. taken in 1953 from the RTE archive,the buildings here are long since demolished and were replaced by a block of flats.
Moderator comment: images removed. To reproduce the copyright images here, a licence is required!
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Here's another one:
Moderator comment: image removed.
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Plenty of viedos here including the ones shown on RTE
Enjoy !!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIjBfldE52E
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THANKS WE WILL
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Many thanks to everyone who posted information on Braitewaite street. I have just been looking at the census of my Great Grandfather who live at no 5. There was 16 families living in the tenement house, 50 people in all in one house.
Tuamite :)
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Dear Quaxer, Family history has had to go on the back burner recently and I have only just read your message about my gr,grandfather, Thomas Phillips of 26 Chamber Street and his mis-deeds. Could you please let me know where these reports are to be found.
Thanks, Maureen.dear All
Re No.26 Chamber Street, The Irish Times shows that Thomas Phillips was charged on 2 occasions with offences relating to his dairy in 1873 and 1888. Revert if you require the references.
Regards
Quaxer
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Dear Quaxer, Family history has had to go on the back burner recently and I have only just read your message about my gr,grandfather, Thomas Phillips of 26 Chamber Street and his mis-deeds. Could you please let me know where these reports are to be found.
Thanks, Maureen.dear All
Re No.26 Chamber Street, The Irish Times shows that Thomas Phillips was charged on 2 occasions with offences relating to his dairy in 1873 and 1888. Revert if you require the references.
Regards
Quaxer
Quaxer can probably fill in some of the details from his analysis of the Irish Times, but the full articles are available either on the Irish Times Archive website ( http://www.irishtimes.com/search/archive.html subscription reqd.) or on microfilm in the National Library in Dublin (probably other Libraries also)
Shane
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Maureen
Herewith the Irish Times references:
17th July 1873 0n P.3 Thomas Phillips fined -adulterated milk
7th March 1888 on P.3 Thomas Phillips fined- kept pigs in cattle yard
Regards Quaxer
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Dear Quaxer,
Thanks for the Irish Times references, although shame over their contents.
(Creeping quietly away)
Maureen.
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Maureen
It happens in the best of families but at least you did not throw a tantrum.
Regards
Quaxer
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Hi Quaxer,
I have taken a 24 hour sub. to the Irish Times and found the report for the 17th July about the milk, but it doesn't seem as if there was a paper published on 7th March, so I can't find the second report or am I reading it all wrong?
Cheers, Maureen.
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.......... shame over their contents................
Not at all. What a wonderful story of ingenuity to be able to pass on.
You should see what some of my lot got up to.
Dara.
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Hi Quaxer,
I have taken a 24 hour sub. to the Irish Times and found the report for the 17th July about the milk, but it doesn't seem as if there was a paper published on 7th March, so I can't find the second report or am I reading it all wrong? Cheers, Maureen.
that date seems to be missing from the their online archive, there are a few gaps in the details. e.g. three weekdays are missing from Mar 1888, but most months are complete. Later months in the year (Sept to Dec) have no days missing, but the first qtr of the year seems particularly bad, with 5 days missing in Jan.
I assume that Quaxer's work was based on copies (in binders or microfilms) of the original paper - and located the details there.
Shane
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MoC
When compiling my source work upon the Irish Times my troubles just started with the microfilm
Some years were well done while others were of variable quality.In this case (i.e. 1888) some issues were missing and others were bound out of order and yet others were only partly intact. I looked at every issue for the first third of the year and found bits for the 26th January mixed up with the edition of 20th January and the edition for the 14th February immediately following that of the 1st February. Clearly, I must have found the edition for 7th March somewhere and recorded the details . You canrest assured that I did not create any bogus entries,knowingly.
I shall keep a lookout for the missing edition but clearly it could be anywhere.
Regards Quaxer
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Dear Quaxer,
Thank you for the explanation. I guessed that some editions must have gone missing, anyway considering my gt.grandfathers criminal record perhaps it's just as well.!!
Cheers,
Maureen
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I've just received a copy of my great great grandparent's marriage entry. John Barry and Catherine McGauran (sometimes McGovern) at St. Catherine's, Meath Street - Sept 15, 1866. Catherine's address given as 40 Chamber Street. Her father was Ml. McGauran, Labourer.
Hi Eoin,
These are also my great great grandparents.
John Barry was a son of Patrick Barry and Hannah Doyle of Charlotte Street.
Catherine McGauran(sometimes McGovern) was a daughter of Michael McGauran and Catherine Colclough!
John Barry died in 1898 in Drumcondra Hospital. At the time of his death he lived at Mill Street Dublin. His death was registered by Hannah Kelly - his daughter. I discovered a Hannah Barry married a Mr Kelly. Is this Hannah you great grandmother? She would be my great grandfathers sister. Hanna Barry born 1867. There was also other children Patrick and James.
My great grandfather was Michael Barry lived at Chamber Street.
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Hi Dubchick, Yes, Hannah Barry was my great grandmother. There was also another brother John, who we think was a gardener at Powerscourt.
Drop me a line sometime - would be great to hear from you!
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Hi Eoin, thanks for posting the picture. She was very pretty wasn't she. She would be my fathers grand aunt. Her brother Michael Is my dad's grandfather. However he died before my father was born. So my dad has no knowledge of him. Michael Barry died on the 21st November 1929 at Harolds X hospice. His address is given as 41 Chamber Street. He was 57 years old.
I will email you some stuff next week or so! Just need to pull out some papers and stuff.
I'm new to this site so can't pm yet. But I have your email address. Thanks Eoin I'll be in touch soon
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Look forward to it! Hannah Barry married Patrick Kelly at St. Catherine's, Meath Street on 16 November 1890 (Living at 29 Marrowbone Lane at the time), and died at the Hospice, Harold's Cross on 31 May 1946 (Living at 29 Clarendon Street, Dublin with her daughter Rosalind (Linda) Kelly). She had nine children in all, and was buried in Glasnevin. Her main address throughout her life was 132 Cork Street, where my grandmother Annie Kelly was born on St. Patrick's Day 1899. This is a photograph of her paternal Aunt, also called Hannah Barry (born August 1851, and baptised at St. Nicholas of Myra, Francis Street)
Eoin