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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: SydneyDiana on Wednesday 18 June 08 00:12 BST (UK)
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My ancestors in Liverpool in the 1860/70/80's were confectioners and I was wondering if anyone could help with a few queries.
In 1861 Thomas Chapman (living at 118 Duke St) was a fruiterer and confectioner employing 2 men, 6 women, 1 girl and 1 boy. By 1871 the business was taken over by his son Heywood Chapman (living at Walton on the Hill) and in 1881 Heywood's wife Jane was running the business (living at Crown St, West Derby).
Firstly, are any of the places listed above in shopping areas or are they residences? and are they still current addresses in Liverpool?
Does anyone know or have an idea on what may have happened - both Heywood and Jane migrated to NZ. Did they sell the business or just leave? Is there any way of finding out through records in Liverpool?
Any help much appreciated.
Diana
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118 Duke Street was the birthplace of poet Felicia Hemans (The boy stood on the burning deck... )
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/capital-of-culture/capital-of-culture-liverpool-news/2004/02/23/crumbling-facades-of-the-new-world-100252-13980083/
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Many thanks for that bit of info.
Do you know if the place still exists and if anyone is living there?
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sorry, should have looked at the link before hitting reply!!
Pity the buildings are now in disrepair.
Would still be interested to go and have a look though....
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1871 Gray road ,,, now reads Grey road ,,look here for a 1893 view
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/mapsheet.aspx?compid=55207&sheetid=10179&ox=0&oy=0&zm=1&czm=10&x=602&y=398
The latest Google view looks very similar , we dont know the number do we ?
possible to navigate on the above map
Al
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Thanks Al
It was 213 Grey Road, Walton on the Hill. Looks like a residential area.
Do you have anything else?
Any idea where their confectionery business would have been with all the changes in address?
Diana
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In 1860 Gores Directory, Thomas Chapman has the following entry:
Chapman Thos
fruiterer and proprietor refreshment rooms South
Landing-stage, 118, Duke Street; shop, 10, James St
steam biscuit bakery, 5, Moor Street
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thanks
do you think this means he had 3 businesses?
A fruit and refreshment rooms at 18 Duke St, a shop in James St, AND a biscuit bakery in Moor Street???
I know he lived in James St in 1851 and Duke St in 1861. But this is the first time I have heard of Moor Street - any idea where it is?
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Moor Street is off James Street.
From the directory entry, it seems certain that:
-he was a fruiterer
-he was also a proprietor of refreshment rooms at the South landing stage
-he lived at 118 Duke Street and possibly conducted the business there
- he had a shop at 10 James Street
The bit about the steam biscuit bakery appears to be part of the same directory entry - perhaps that's the "confectioner" bit?
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many thanks.
Where does one find the Gores Directory? Is there one for other years?
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I have my own copy of 1860 Gores. You can buy a scanned version on CD from http://www.archivecdbooks.com.au/Directories-s/226.htm.
The excellent (and free) historical directories site has a number of Liverpool directories http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/
Liverpool record Office also has a collection of historic directories, and you can always ask for lookups on the Lancashire lookups board.
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many thanks - will do
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1873 Gore's has this entry for Heywood:
Chapman, Heywood - British and foreign fruiterer and Italian warehouseman 1 Kersland Vils Grey Road Walton; shops 10 James St 5 Moor st and South Landing Stage.
Heywood has a number of mentions in the Liverpool Mercury up to around 1875.
- silver medallist in sabre vs bayonet in a local "Olympics"
- chairman of the Liverpool Numismatic Society
- a keen naturalist
- licensed to sell British wines and confectionery at the South Landing Stage
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thanks so much ShaunJ
Not at all sure what the British and foreign fruiterer and Italian warehouseman means - he was a Liverpudlian(?) thru and thru!
I have had a bit of fun today going thru the Gore's directories and I'm sure I will have more questions later.
Cheers
Diana
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118 Duke st still stands today...would you like me to find out what it is now...unless its where the new car park is....allan
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thanks so much ShaunJ
Not at all sure what the British and foreign fruiterer and Italian warehouseman means - he was a Liverpudlian(?) thru and thru!
I have had a bit of fun today going thru the Gore's directories and I'm sure I will have more questions later.
Cheers
Diana
I think the 'Italian Warehouseman' Title can probably be explained if You read the section under 'Orange' on this site:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=58832