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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: chell on Monday 16 June 08 00:27 BST (UK)
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Dear Chatters,
I was wondering if someone could please find the births ( and possible deaths) for the following children. I found this information on the Colonial Tasmanian Family Links database but there are some discrepencies with the information I have so I would like to get the actual birth certificates.
17711 BROWNE MARY AUGUSTA 1842
17710 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 1842 17710 end_of_the_skype_highlighting BROWNE KATHERINE FRANCES 1843
17709 BROWNE JOSEPH STEERE 1845
17707 BROWNE M 1847 ( I believe this is Marriot)
17708 BROWNE FREDERICK WILLIAM 1847
17706 BROWNE PHILIP JOHN 1850
17705 BROWNE JAMES ERNEST 1852 ( I have him as James Arthur on all other records, including marriage certificate)
The parents are Thomas Browne and Catherine Jemott ( I have made previous postings about the Jemott family)
Also if anyone could help me with shipping records for this family leaving Tasmania in the late 1850's to go to Queensland I would love to find them. Again we are trying to sort out conflicting stories. I am under the belief that the family went to Queensland after the father Thomas Browne died in Canada ( he was a soldier in active duty there) but there is the possibility that this information is not correct and that Thomas Browne actually went to Queensland with the family. Either way the family actually ended up in Queensland around this time.
Please help - I am confused. ??? ;)
Cheers
Michelle
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I found the following.
Mary Augusta born 31/3/1842 RDG 186/1842. Oatlands
Katherine Frances born 29/9/1843 RDG 234/1843. Oatlands
Joseph Steere 15/6/1845 RDG 287/1845. Oatlands
Male Browne born 25/4/1847 RDG 335/1847 Oatlands
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Frederick William born 25/4/1847 RDG 335/1847 Oatlands
Phillip John born 17/9/1850 RDG 609/1850 Tasman
.James Ernest born 11/4/1852 RDG 625/1853 Tasman
Phillip John registered under the name Thomas Browne and Katherina Jemott.
Frederick William and Male child [twins].
Sorry but haven`t found any shipping records for them.
Johngirl ;D
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Thank you John girl. I will get the certificates to try and help out with my confusion but it matches what I have.
Thanks for trying on the shipping records too. I am trying as well so hopefully we'll come up with something soon.
Appreciate your help.
Warm Regards
Michelle
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Hi chell
(and possible deaths)
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/DeaIndexQry.m
Search here and you will find the deaths of some sons. I saw Federick William, 1911 & Philip John 1923
The one you think to be Marriot....
Is indexed Thomas MARRYATT. died 1919
You may find marriages to if that is of interest.
Sue
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Hi
On this thread where you have sought similar information on the family, you mention that Catherine left Tas. for Qld. with her brother John JEMOTT [E].
http://boards.ancestry.com.au/topics.researchresources.lookups.australia/159/mb.ashx
His death is recorded in Qld.
Presumably you do not have this information, otherwise you would also have the death information for the sons which I have located above.
JOHN's death being from the same searchable website which I have given you ..Qld bmd...
Sue
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Thanks for the website address Sue. I will take a look now. I had looked at the queensland site before but had missed the Thomas Marryatt one. I have a feeling that Frederick William named one of his children with the middle name Marryatt ( possibly in honour of his twin brother??)
I guess I was trying to check if the male son ( twin) died in Tasmania as a baby or if I was correct in believing he lived. It was just odd that he was not named in the birth records but his brother was. Also another researcher of this family felt that he had died. My grandmother has newspaper obituaries for Marriot, I am sure, having died as an adult. I will recheck with her.
Thanks again for looking for me. I am going to relook at the Qld BDM now.
Warm Regards
Michelle
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Hi,
I am not sure about this, but there will certainly be someone who can clarify it.....BUT, I would expect that twins would have consecutive registration numbers, not identical. Afterall, they are 2 identities. I do know that this is the case in the UK system.
It may possibly be simply a duplicate entry.
Sue
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I have a feeling that Frederick William named one of his children with the middle name Marryatt
Well, this Thomas Maryatt is the child of Thomas & Catherine.
1919/C4211. Browne. Thomas Maryatt. F. Thomas Browne. M. Catherine Jemotte [sic]
Sue
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Fantastic!!! Thanks so much for that. He must have been known as Marryatt, rather than Thomas. I will double check on that though to make sure he is the Marriot I believed to be the twin.
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I also replied to the last post but it didn't come up so I must have done something wrong. Sorry. I hadn't noticed that the reference number was the same for Frederick and male - thanks for pointing that out. There were definitely twins though so it will be interesting to get the certificate to confirm it ( or deny me my beliefs????). I wonder why they have the same registration? I definitely have to get my hands on my grandmothers box of tricks about family and at least photocopy what is in there rather than relying on my visits to Queensland to go through the box. Would make much more sense. ;D
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I have just rechecked the Registration numbers for Frederick William Browne and his sibling born the same day. I left out an A in the registation for Frederick William Browne. It should read as follows.
FREDERICK WILLIAM BROWN born 25/5/1847 RGD 335A/1847 OATLANDS.
NAME UNKNOWN. MALE born 25/4/1847 RDG 335/1847 OATLANDS.
Sorry Johngirl
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AHH...
I think that makes all the difference!
Good on you Johngirl.
Sue
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Thanks Sue. That makes sense to me now. Will let you all know how I go once I have the certificates.
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So So So Sorry about that.I can check the Baptism Record for the Oatlands District next time I go to the Archives. They may have the baptism record for the unamed but named at the time of the baptism if you understand my meaning. Some children were not named in the records of birth but named when they were Baptised.
Johngirl ;D ;D
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Hi,
Bit of an aside.
I have a friend who did not know she was having twins until the delivery doctor said,
"Hold on, there is another one!."
Now, this was as recently as the 1980's
It strikes me that this could very well have been the situation in this case and they simply needed time to think of a name for a second boy!
Sue
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You might well be on the money there Sue. They might have been in shock. Will be interesting to see if anything comes up in the baptism records. thanks for the offer of looking Johngirl.
Cheers
Michelle
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Chell.
I have looked for a death for your no named male but there is nothing that even comes close. I also looked under Brown and only found a William and Thomas Brown that died in 1847 aged 0 .There is nothing that even comes close after that year.
Johngirl ;D ;D
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Hi chell
"" I have him as James Arthur on all other records, including marriage certificate)""
What information do you hold on this man and what do you think you are wanting to know?
eg death and burial details? Place of employment and addresses?
If you have his marriage certificate, you will probably know a good deal.
''I have a feeling that Frederick William named one of his children with the middle name Marryatt ''
Do you now have the details of this child and his mother?
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Thanks to this board I have found out alot of the info I wanted.
There are two of us searching for the same family as descendants but we have some information that is contradictory. Namely that one of us believed that the twin brother had died and I the other feels that he died as an adult. I just wanted to confirm that we were actually looking at the same family and that I hadn't made mistakes along the way. Also we had different information about the father Thomas and his death. Again I was trying to make sure we were actually looking at the same family.
I am now pretty sure that the twin lived to be an adult in Queensland and now have his death reference number thanks to your info.
Also I am wondering why James Arthur is named as James Ernest in the birth records. It made me doubt myself and the information I had.
Thanks for all your help. Johngirl has offered to look for a baptism record for Thomas Marryatt when she has time but other than that I think I can safely say that the two of us researching this family are looking at the same family with just s few differences involved due to circumstances.
The only other thing that I would really like to find out is how the family got to Queensland as I can not find any records for them moving. I would like to know if the father Thomas was with them or if my belief is correct and that he died in active duty in Canada before the family moved to Queensland.
Not wanting much am I??? :)
Thanks for all the info you have given me!
Michelle
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I have just rechecked the Registration numbers for Frederick William Browne and his sibling born the same day. I left out an A in the registation for Frederick William Browne. It should read as follows.
FREDERICK WILLIAM BROWN born 25/5/1847 RGD 335A/1847 OATLANDS.
NAME UNKNOWN. MALE born 25/4/1847 RDG 335/1847 OATLANDS.
Sorry Johngirl
I'm not sure about in Tasmania (might be worth a query to the archives) but in other states the addition of an alpha code to a registration number, sometimes means an alteration/correction - i.e. Male Browne 335 was corrected to be Frederick Browne 335A.
(Given the death in Qld, I may be wrong, but worth a check perhaps)
Trish
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Hi chell,
It sounds like you are well on your way now, and that is good to see.
I'm not much help with the things you are specifically looking for, though I have come across a bits of information about other, more recent generations in the family.
James Arthur, throughout the records I have seen of him in QLD, is always called James Arthur.
The generation you are seeking, the one before him, is trickier. ???
Lots of luck.
Sue
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MMmm..
Trish!
I have been hoping that someone with a better understanding than me would address is issue.
Doubts are back!
I am now pretty sure that the twin lived to be an adult in Queensland and now have his death reference number thanks to your info.
Have to remember that this entry has really only given you the death of another child born to the couple. There is no birth date to confirm twinship.
Sue
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Yep I agree with that but the reason I am so adamant is that I have seen an obituary and if my memory serves me correctly it mentioned Marriot / marryatt and also mentioned the twin brother Frederick. That is where I got my information about the twin's name. My grandmother is trying to find the clipping for me so that I can clarify this. I also remember it being around the time of world war one which fits in with the death date you gave me. I could be completely wrong ( and it won't be the first time).
It might not be my lost twin but it is another child to Thomas and catherine anyway that we hadn't found previously in our search so either way I am pretty happy. :) :)
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Sounds good Chelle & I could be completely wrong - may well be your man. Do you know where the Qld man is buried? That may give an age, without needing the certificate - I'll go check the city cemeteries :D - woops died outside of Brisbane from the code, no joy there.
Trish
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Have decided to post this information in case it offers any avenues for your further exploration about the family. As later generations ended up round Roma, perhaps that is a place worth looking at.
Birth of Frederick’s child
1881/c1764 Browne Arthur Marryatt F. Fred. William. M. Leila Alethea Florence Mar
Marriage
1907/B6064 Browne. Arthur Marryatt McIntyre Diana Gilllies.
Death.
1914/B19313. Browne, Arthur Marryatt. Father Frederick William. Mother Leila Alethea Florence Marshall.
Some items about Jams Arthur Browne. You have his marriage details. It was to Jessie someone per his certificate.
Three of his sons enlisted for ww1 You can learn a lot by viewing these files.
Arthur Jemotte Browne aged 28 in 1915. He was the overseer of a cattle station. The addresses for the next of kin are many, including Park Place, Milton and Durham Downs, Roma Station.
Another brother Roy Mc Pherson Browne. Same addresses.
Another brother Philip Gerald Browne who was underage and had to have a signed permission from his parents. He was killed in action. His file contains numerous letters from his father Arthur to the AIF. Same NOK, Same addresses.
In 1924, Mr Arthur Browne was the manager of Durham Downs Station [We guess think it was Arthur Jemotte Browne]
http://home.alphalink.com.au/~dannj/rhoet.htm
At Toowong there is a large BROWNE family grave and it includes the interment of James Arthur Browne, his wife Jessie and others.
http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD::pc=PC_899
Sue
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Dear Sue,
You are an absolute legend. You have gone out of your way to find things to help me in my research. The cemetary find is particularly good because it has some other realtives on it that I have had difficulty tracing. eg) Jane Macpherson is almost certainly Jessie Browne's mother. Can move on now with finding her too.
Thank you Thank you Thank you!!! It's all wonderful.
Cheers
Michelle
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Hi I checked out the death records for the people you found for me in Toowong and they are mostly Jessie Browne's sisters. ( including Jane Campbell). Great find - I had not known about them
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You're welcome chell.
Hope things continue well for you ;D
Sue
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To all the people who helped me with this post,
I just wanted to let you all know that I found the obituary that talked about the twin Marryatt Browne and it is Thomas Marryatt Browne that you girls ( and guys) found for me so a huge thank you. We have now completed that part of the puzzle. There was a twin and he lived to be an adult ( and actually outlived his twin).
Thanks so much for all your help.
Now if I could only find out how the family got from Tasmania to Queensland I would be extremely happy.
Cheers
Michelle
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Hi Michelle,
so glad that you have found the twin to Frederick. I will still go and check the Baptisms for Oatlands just to see if they did name him when he was baptised. Have been rather busy as my two dogs both done a runner twice in two weeks and it took four and five days twice to find them. Dogs are worst than kids at times.
Johngirl :) :)
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Thanks Johngirl - that would be great if you could. Would love to get there myself but think it will be a while away.
Hope your dogs are behaving themselves for you and you haven't had to do any more chasing. :D
Cheers
Michelle
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Thats okay Michelle,
will be going to the Archives soon. My dogs have been behaving themselves also.No more having to go searching for miles for them.
Johngirl ;D ;D
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To Chell,
I am related to this family and can give you a lot of details re Thomas Browne's (the soldier) family. Just to whet your appetite, Thomas' father was Joseph Steere Browne (DACG) b.~1791. Joseph was in Tasmania in the late 1820s; was in Albany, Western Australia in 1830s; left Albany in 1836 on the 'Harvest' for the Cape; and ended up in Canada where he died in Toronto on 24 Dec 1848. Thomas was one of 10 children (that I know of). Thomas was the eldest son and 2nd child. One of his brothers was Joseph Browne (my GGG grandfather) who ended up in Sydney and married into the dynastic Tooth family.
cheers,
Herb
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Hi Herb,
Welcome to the family. I would love to exchange any information with you about the Browne family but as you can see I have been at a bit of a loss about anything going back from Thomas. You have definitely whet my appetite. I have just found out that Thomas actually died in USA not Canada as was stated on a newspaper clipping I found. Maybe they were confused with his dad Joseph? Anyway would love to swap stories so I will try and work out how to PM you.
Best Regards
Michelle
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Hi Herb,
I'm also interested in the Browne family. I would love to know your source for Joseph Steere Browne, as Thomas Browne is as far up that side of my family tree as I have been able to get.
Thanks,
Kat
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Hi all those interested in the Browne Family.
My great grandmother was Jane Browne born 18th January 1847 Ref 4339.
Parents were Thomas Browne and Catherine Jemmott.
She married Edward Broadhurst Boothman on 2nd February 1865.
I too have been researching her siblings and found a strange happening.
The twins Thomas Marryatt Browne and Frederick William Browne were born 25th April 1847.
If Jane was born in January 1847 and the twins were born in April of that year, there is something wrong with the date of birth of Jane.
I have seen the headstones of the twins in Queensland so I assume that their date of birth is correct.
Can anyone help?
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Just found this post.
It's a long shot, but I don't suppose anyone has come across Hampshire Brown/es in their research? Anthony James Browne b: Glasgow, 1791ish and Charles Anthony Brown b: Hampshire? 1828
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Hi all those interested in the Browne Family.
My great grandmother was Jane Browne born 18th January 1847 Ref 4339.
Parents were Thomas Browne and Catherine Jemmott.
She married Edward Broadhurst Boothman on 2nd February 1865.
I too have been researching her siblings and found a strange happening.
The twins Thomas Marryatt Browne and Frederick William Browne were born 25th April 1847.
If Jane was born in January 1847 and the twins were born in April of that year, there is something wrong with the date of birth of Jane.
I have seen the headstones of the twins in Queensland so I assume that their date of birth is correct.
Can anyone help?
Hi Joy Mc, I have Jane Browne married Edward Broadhurst Boothman who are my Great Grandparents. I have her parents as Thomas Browne and Sarah Spicer. Jane had 13 siblings, including a Frederick George Browne and a Thomas Edward Browne. There are no twins and the dates of Jane's 14 children follow as would be expected. Jane and Edward Boothman had 9 children, one was Archie Rutherford Boothman, my Grandfather.
Cheers, Red
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