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Title: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Friday 13 June 08 18:13 BST (UK)
HI
I have the fife death index pre 1855
I'm happy to do lookups but be patient i'm new to this
jac2




Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: rubyrose on Friday 13 June 08 21:15 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2

Its very kind of you to offer to do look ups and I would really appreciate a search for some of my Morrisons. In particular I am looking for William Morrison and his wife Margaret (MS Wright) living in Falkland but possibly members of the Associate Congregation Church in Leslie.

William and Margaret were both born round about 1750 and had, to my knowledge, at least two sons, David 1782 and James 1790 both of whom died after 1855 in Cupar (I have their death certificates). It is possible there was another son John, born in 1780, who died before 1855 and if you can find him too I would really appreciate it.

With many thanks.

Ruby



Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Saturday 14 June 08 00:53 BST (UK)
Hi rubyrose
Found one william morrison falkland

WILLIAM MORRISON
ABODE FALKLAND
DATE OF DEATH  16TH DEC 1798
AGE  49
FATHER OF JOHN MORRISON MANUFACTURER
SOURCE MI'S    FARREL
MONUMENTAL INSCRIPTIONS


JOHN MORRISON
ABODE FALKLAND
DATE OF BURIAL  23RD ARP 1851
AGE 71
SOURCE OPR   OPR428


MARGARET WRIGHT
ABODE FALKLAND
DATE OF BURIAL  5TH JUNE 1827
AGE 76
SOURCE OPR    OPR428


MARGARET WRIGHT
ABODE FALKLAND
DATE OF BURIAL  25TH APR 1827
SOURCE OPR   OPR 428



SUSAN MORRISON
ABODE FALKLAND
DATE OF DEATH  30TH DEC 1817
AGE 7
DAUGHTER OF JOHN MORRISON MANUFACTURER
SOURCE  MI'S    FARREL


Hope this helps  jac2




Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ellvera on Saturday 14 June 08 06:28 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2
Thankyou for your kind offer.
Could I get you to look up the death of Margaret Izett or Izatt, maiden surname Adamson, between 1833 and 1837.not sure where, but she was married in Dunfermline .
Thankyou :)
Barbara
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: rubyrose on Saturday 14 June 08 07:54 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2

Many thanks for this information - it looks very much like the people I am looking for. I'm going to Dundee in a couple of weeks so hopefully I will be able to get the original records in order to make sure I am on the right track.

Really appreciate your help in looking up these deaths.

Thanks again,

Regards

Ruby
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: thehammies13 on Saturday 14 June 08 11:13 BST (UK)
Hello,  Jac2 -
Could you please have a look for the death of Elizabeth/Betty/Betsy Hastie between 1851 and 1855. 
In 1851, she was living at High street, Burntisland,  62 years old and a fisherman's widow.
I'm not sure if Hastie is her maiden or married name.
Thanks. 
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Saturday 14 June 08 11:51 BST (UK)
Hi, was online & saw this so :

no record of Elizabeth/Betsy/Betty hastie in those dates.  Only Betty hastie d. jan 1805 so obv. not yours!!

Lots of other hasties though.

PS I also have the Fife monumental Inscriptions vol2 : western parishes. no hasties listed under Burntisland       2 in carnock 1 in crombie  1 Torryburn

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: thehammies13 on Saturday 14 June 08 12:04 BST (UK)
Wow - that was fast!  Thanks very much.
Rae
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: crayspond on Saturday 14 June 08 12:31 BST (UK)
Hi Hac2,

Could you look for a John Beveridge died circa 1775 in Inverkeithing ( or any Beveridge deaths in that parish up to 1800).

Much appreciated,

Ailsa
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Saturday 14 June 08 15:11 BST (UK)
Ellvera - i can't find a margaret iz*tt  at all but there is a margaret Adamson - Dunfermline died 23 june 1837  buried 26 june age 24  OPR 424-18 says reason - Child bed (presumably birth)  does not say maiden/married name

are some margaret Izett's but different dates. Can list if needed.

Will have a look through MI's for you but long job cos all indexed seperately!!

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Saturday 14 June 08 15:13 BST (UK)
Ellvera - forgot also a Margaret Adamson listed as Ceres. died 17 jan 1837 age 38.  accident at spinning mill.  OPR 415

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Saturday 14 June 08 15:15 BST (UK)
Crayspond - can't find John beveridge.  only Andrew beveridge  5 feb 1741 inverkeithing. OPR 458

Will potter around spelling variations.

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Saturday 14 June 08 15:25 BST (UK)
Crayspond - indexed all Johns in inverkeithing!! all that came up was a John Beveradge  died 7 mar 1828. note says Fife herald 13 mar 1828 has listsed as James beveradge.  OPR 432-3


Monumental Inscriptions list:

Inverkeithing Churchyard  stone 135:
1775   john beveridge.  (no further details)
notes with entry say: the MS (manuscript) in Dunfermline Public library refers to the inscription.  This refers to the Erskine beveridge papers in the library - some inscriptions contain sketches from the churchyards.

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Saturday 14 June 08 15:34 BST (UK)
Ellvera - sorry can't find margaret in MI's for Fife, Western parishes.

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: crayspond on Saturday 14 June 08 17:27 BST (UK)
Crayspond - indexed all Johns in inverkeithing!! all that came up was a John Beveradge  died 7 mar 1828. note says Fife herald 13 mar 1828 has listsed as James beveradge.  OPR 432-3


Monumental Inscriptions list:

Inverkeithing Churchyard  stone 135:
1775   john beveridge.  (no further details)
notes with entry say: the MS (manuscript) in Dunfermline Public library refers to the inscription.  This refers to the Erskine beveridge papers in the library - some inscriptions contain sketches from the churchyards.

Diddy

Thanks Diddy,
It's very interesting - i have recently been to Scotland and spent only a day in Inverkeithing/Dunfermline.  I saw the actual stone and read through the papers in the library(i can't find any connection with Erskine).
  I have a feeling that my Beveridges left Inverkeithing and moved to Dunfermline(they show up there in 1765) after the birth of John Beveridge born 1726. They were sometimes known as Belfrage.
Would it be cheeky to ask if you could look at the Dunfermline death index.  I can trace them from 1804 but it's the period in between that is lost as the death indexes are not available on Scotlandspeople yet.
No problem if you can't - you have already been very helpful.

Ailsa
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Saturday 14 June 08 18:51 BST (UK)
Ailsa - had already looked at some. Only other John beveridges -Dunfermline:

d 25/11/1829 age 50
   4/1/1830 age 87
   30/1//1831
   11/6/1797  chd
   24/7/1799  chd

Thomas Belfrage d. 14/5/1837 age 3   son of Thomas Belfrage

There are a lot of Thomas Beveridges listed outside Dunfermline but all in fife general area I will try and copy and send you a PM.

Diddy

Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ellvera on Saturday 14 June 08 23:01 BST (UK)
Wow,Thanks Diddy ;D The first Margaret looks distinctly possible from an age point of view & if I have the right one,this would have been her second child.
Though if she is the right Margaret, her husband didn't waste much time remarrying - a few months ??? I guess if the baby survived,he would have needed a quick solution to his problem. ;D
Thanks for the other info,I am sure it will be useful at a later date.
Much appreciated
Barbara
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 14 June 08 23:06 BST (UK)
Hi Jac and Diddy

I wonder if either of you could help out on a post www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,309524.0.html regarding the Drummond family.

A Mary Drummond born anytime late 1700s-1805ish (going by census ages etc.) showed parents Robert Drummond and Margaret Wilson on her poor relief records in Lanarkshire. She married a Hugh Marr in Dunfermline in 1822 and moved to Glasgow where Hugh was originally from. She showed a birth place of Mastertown in some of her census entries.

We are all struggling to find any details on the parents  :'(  We have found a Robert Drummond, a weaver aged 65 in Dunfermline in the 1841 census (one and only sighting of him). Possibility that he may have had a second marriage to a Marion/May Wardlaw (marriage in 1811).

So, some of the names we are looking at:

Robert Drummond - age 65 in 1841
Margaret Drummond, maiden name not confirmed
Marion/May Wardlaw
John Drummond - age 25 in 1841
Robert Drummond - age 38 in 1851

Curious also about any other Drummond death entries in Dunfermline. Not a particular common name for the area so hopefully may stand out  ::)

Many thanks.

Monica  :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 15 June 08 09:05 BST (UK)
Hi everyone - will certainly have a look - I had already seen the thread.
Am off to church first so perhaps a little Divine insipation..... ;D

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 15 June 08 11:27 BST (UK)
hi monica

have a possibillity here
 Robert DRUMMOND      
Dunfermline,Bothwellhaugh   
Date of death 2 Jan 1850   
Date of burial 5 Jan 1850   
Age 76         
Cause of death  Old age  - 
Buried old ground   
OPR   OPR 424-18
jac2
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 15 June 08 12:22 BST (UK)
from the MI's:

Dunfermline
William Drummond, merchant. d.29/5/1855 age 65
also wife helen greig d.29/6/1885
Sister Christina drummond  6/6/1844 age 49

if you're really well connected.......

Queyne Anabell drummound. wife of king Robert 111  & mother of King James 1.

Clementina sarah Drummond lady Willoughby de Ersby.    ;D

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 15 June 08 13:01 BST (UK)
Mi Drummonds:

Carnock
1804 james D
         Isobel D

Chas Nisbet acc killed  8/8/1872 age 67.
s.Chas   Merchant. d.10/9/1883 age 38   W. mary Drummond 15/8/1887 age 41. chn Robt 20/3/1874  7m
             Margt. 7/10/1877 8m
             Helen  23/10/1877  2

Crombie old Churchyard:
Robt D in Low Torrie. d.11/8/1909 age 66
w. catherine Anderson  10/4/1903 age 56

Culross West:
Alison D  8/1/1742 age 42
Mary D  1/3/1777 age 54   w. of Alex Horn.   chn  Thom  & Alex Robt john

Inverkeithing:
1855 james D  4/4/1855 age 74  w. Euphemia Roxburgh

Saline Old Church:
Ann Drummond 25/3/1902 age 75

helen D  18/4/1858 age 5

maxwell D  1822 age 9
William D 7/8/1839 age 23 farmer

Torryburn:
Peter D  10/8/1857 age 27 by w. helen hempseed
Thomas hunter  w.Agnes Drummond 27/6/1832  ,3/4/1893 (birth/death?)
s. john 2/4/1863, 9/6/1863
Christina Ruth 1/1/1942 age 76  w.of john  10/4/1943 age 78

Tulliallan cemetary:
John D  17/2/1852 age 59 w. Agnes Malcolm  24/9/1864 age 77
s. james 1/8/1866 age 42
D. 7/5/1911 age 84  (Unknown drummond?)
w.Mary Ann Hallley  8/7/1899 age 73
s. james  16/1/1869 age 6
s. Andrew malcolm  27/10/1866 age 27

Wm leisk master mariner  1/12/1929 age 72  w. Christina Ann Drummond  22/7/1950 age 89.
d. Olive Christina leisk 17/1/1900 age 13m
lily Ailsa leisk 3/5/1944 age 41

Tulliallan Old Churchyard:
Walter mclaren shispowner .d at sea 19/7/1831. w.Eliz Drummond  22/12/1861
3rds.Walter. d.Cork 25/2/1852
2nd s. William 4/10/1852
Yst s. james 16/3/1858
1st s. Alex 3/12/1864
2nd d.jane 5/12/1891
3rd d.Eliz 12/3/1910
Twin David 16/2/1917.  s. daviid 22/2/1940.

Diddy   ;D
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 15 June 08 13:14 BST (UK)
this seems to go with the death for Rbt Drunnond that jac found. from the CD:

marion Drummond. Dunfermline Bothwellhaugh. d.19/10/1849 age 75
Asthma. OPR 424-18

lots of margt/marian/ Wardlaws for dunfermline - no obvious links to drummonds.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 15 June 08 13:20 BST (UK)
Jac and Diddy

Thank you so much for all your time and effort  :D Hopefully there will be connections there to be made. Certainly the Robert Drummond death would seem to be the right one given that this is where the sons show in 1851.

Many thanks again to  you both!

Monica  :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 15 June 08 13:43 BST (UK)
To add to our Drummond quest, are there any earlier Roberts - Mastertown area. Also Margaret Wilsons - same area.

Many thanks  :)


Gadget

Added -will check out the Low Torrie one
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 15 June 08 14:55 BST (UK)
Hi
i wonder who will claim this drummond.
It would be interesting to know why he was executed


Patrick DRUMMOND      
Abode Dunfermline   
Date of death  16 May 1634            
husband   of Christian Abercrombie   
Cause of death  Executed - hung - drawn - quartered - head & right hand cut off   
OPR   OPR 424-11   
Old Parochial Registers

jac2   
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 15 June 08 14:58 BST (UK)
Masterton area assume Dunfermline / Rosyth?  MI's follow.

Rosyth:
1812  Margt Wilson & Robt Addison

John Wilson 27/8/1880 age 78.  w. Margt hughes  5/10/1860 age 58

Robt Clark  shispmaster limekilns
Margt Wilson


Dunfermline Abbey:
Thos Spowart of Broomhead. w. Margt Atkinson Wilson  11/11/1878

John Wilson sen.  manuf. bridge street. 8/7/1826 age 77
w. janet macLachlan 60
s. John 28/6/1846 age 64.  w. Margt Atkinson 25/11/1866 age 69
3rd Chd. james Atkinson Wilson MD. d. West Coast of Africa 4/4/1851 age 21
s. Robt  student medicine  1/10/1856 age 19
1st s. John MD Glasgow  8/5/1888 age 62
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 15 June 08 15:01 BST (UK)
Thanks Diddy  :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 15 June 08 15:07 BST (UK)
179 margt Wilsons listed - no obvious links to drummonds so would need more info on precise area!!

 ::)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 15 June 08 15:08 BST (UK)
sorry - that is on death CD not MI's.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 15 June 08 15:09 BST (UK)
hi
looks like the wife was up to no good either


Christian DRUMMOND
Alias  ABER:   
Abode Dunfermline   
Dateof death   16 May 1634            
wife of    Patrick Drummond   
Cause of death   Hanged for murder  - husband also executed   
OPR   OPR 424-11   
Old Parochial Registers


jac2
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 15 June 08 15:13 BST (UK)
Thanks for info so far ~

I think Monica gave the ref to the thread we are dealing with:

Hi Jac and Diddy

I wonder if either of you could help out on a post www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,309524.0.html regarding the Drummond family.

A Mary Drummond born anytime late 1700s-1805ish (going by census ages etc.) showed parents Robert Drummond and Margaret Wilson on her poor relief records in Lanarkshire. She married a Hugh Marr in Dunfermline in 1822 and moved to Glasgow where Hugh was originally from. She showed a birth place of Mastertown in some of her census entries.



Monica  :)

 - we have a Mary Drummond -  parents given as Robert Drummond and Margaret Wilson on some poor relief docs in Glasgow  and place of birth given as Mastertown circa 1800-1805.


Gadget
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: bluemale38 on Sunday 15 June 08 15:15 BST (UK)
Hello,

Would you perhaps have any records for a William HInksman or Janet (Jessie) Hinksman Nee Davidson dying in Fife Pre 1855.

regards Jim
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 15 June 08 15:18 BST (UK)
Jim - already looking as saw your post  nothing so far   ;D

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 15 June 08 15:21 BST (UK)
possibly marys mother

Mrs  DRUMMOND      
Dunfermline,Masterton      
26 Dec 1831         
wife of   Robert Drummond      
OPR   OPR432-3   
Old Parochial Registers   
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 15 June 08 15:25 BST (UK)
Jim absolutely no Hinksmans on Death CD - have tried some variations as well. Loads of Janet davidsons but no links to Hinksman so without further info no point in posting them.
 will have a look in MI's.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 15 June 08 15:29 BST (UK)
Jim no MI's

sorry  :'(

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 15 June 08 15:30 BST (UK)
possibly marys mother

Mrs  DRUMMOND      
Dunfermline,Masterton      
26 Dec 1831         
wife of   Robert Drummond      
OPR   OPR432-3   
Old Parochial Registers   

Oh jacs - that is really good. Thank you very much  :D
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 15 June 08 15:38 BST (UK)
your welcome gadget
jacci
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 15 June 08 15:41 BST (UK)
gadget
did you get the one i posted as marys father
jacci
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 15 June 08 15:53 BST (UK)
Which one was that - was it the 1850 one?
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 15 June 08 15:58 BST (UK)
yes gadget that was it
also posted patrick and christian drummond
both executed on the same day for murder 1634
jacci
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 15 June 08 16:01 BST (UK)
I dread to think what Patrick and wife Christian did  :o....although in those times people had horrendous things done to them for what today seem relatively minor offences.

Monica
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 15 June 08 16:02 BST (UK)
 :(

It might even have been for stealing a sheep  :-\

The alias Aber looks interesting!
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 15 June 08 16:13 BST (UK)
hi
alias was for abercrombie christians mainden name
don't know who they murdered but it must have been someone of importance.
jacci
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: tn17 on Monday 16 June 08 13:58 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2 & Diddymiller

First off - thanks for the kind offer of searches You're doing great work.

If it's no hassle, could you look for a couple for me? Deaths I'm after are:

James Morton & Isabella Morton (Blackwood) in Kirkcaldy, sometime after 1809
Robert Adamson & Janet Adamson (Scott) in St Monans, sometime after 1795

Thanks :)

TN
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 16 June 08 14:14 BST (UK)
CD:

James Morton  Kirkcaldy
d.6/9/1832  age 70  Cholera
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 16 June 08 14:20 BST (UK)
no sign of others at moment.
are they within Western parishes or further east.

i now confess to having ordered the North-east parishes MI book.  ::)

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: tn17 on Monday 16 June 08 14:24 BST (UK)
Hi Diddy - thanks for those searches :)

St Monans/St Monance/Abercrombie is certainly to the (South) east.

For what it's worth - I'm sure everyone is really appreciating your efforts, even if it feels like you're glued to your Fife MI books  :P
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 16 June 08 14:34 BST (UK)
there are alot of Robert Adamsons on the CD but not at places mentioned so far - could be listed under neighbouring place  - any ideas - I don't know area at all.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Monday 16 June 08 14:36 BST (UK)
 hi tn17

James MORTON   MORT:   Kirkcaldy   6 Sep 1832      70            Cholera.   Lair   CH2-636-28&30      1


isobell blackwood      abode  abbotshall            burial 21 sep 1841      wife of james morton       source opr
opr399
jacci
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: tn17 on Monday 16 June 08 14:38 BST (UK)
Diddy - Robert Adamson might also be in Elie.

Jac2 - Thanks for those :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Monday 16 June 08 14:39 BST (UK)
hi diddy :)
glad to see your on the job.
st monance is in the east neuk of fife between anstruther and leven
jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 16 June 08 14:46 BST (UK)
just looked at a map  ::)

found in PIttenween (next door to st monans)

Robert Adamson  d.12/8/1839 age 53  mason. consumption OPR 452 -4

Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: WHS1899 on Monday 16 June 08 14:46 BST (UK)
Hello,
With reference to your kind offer to do searches, I'm wondering if you have a moment to look for one of my ancestors?

David Tod, b c1731 Kettle, Fife. Wife Margaret Greig (married 2.7.1756 Markinch, Fife). All children born in Kettle, Fife, so I'm hoping David and Margaret stayed put and died there!

I'm hoping that this might breath some new life into the search for this side of the family as this is as far back as I've got.

Beverley
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Monday 16 June 08 14:47 BST (UK)
famous poem about kirkcaldy written about 100 years ago
enjoy

The Boy in the Train :)

by Mary Campbell Smith ::)

Whit wey does the engine say 'Toot-toot'?
Is it feart to gang in the tunnel?
Whit wey is the furnace no pit oot
When the rain gangs doon the funnel?
What'll I hae for my tea the nicht?
A herrin', or maybe a haddie?
Has Gran'ma gotten electric licht?
Is the next stop Kirkcaddy?

There's a hoodie-craw on yon turnip-raw!
An' seagulls! - sax or seeven.
I'll no fa' oot o' the windae, Maw,
Its sneckit, as sure as I'm leevin'.
We're into the tunnel! we're a' in the dark!
But dinna be frichtit, Daddy,
We'll sune be comin' to Beveridge Park,
And the next stop's Kirkcaddy!

Is yon the mune I see in the sky?
It's awfu' wee an' curly,
See! there's a coo and a cauf ootbye,
An' a lassie pu'in' a hurly!
He's chackit the tickets and gien them back,
Sae gie me my ain yin, Daddy.
Lift doon the bag frae the luggage rack,
For the next stop's Kirkcaddy!

There's a gey wheen boats at the harbour mou',
And eh! dae ya see the cruisers?
The cinnamon drop I was sookin' the noo
Has tummelt an' stuck tae ma troosers. . .
I'll sune be ringin' ma Gran'ma's bell,
She'll cry, 'Come ben, my laddie',
For I ken mysel' by the queer-like smell
That the next stop's Kirkcaddy!  :D
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 16 June 08 14:49 BST (UK)
everytime i try to post I keep getting warning sign - new post up!!!!!

Elie death : Robert Adamson 18/10/1620  no further info
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: tn17 on Monday 16 June 08 14:51 BST (UK)
Jacci & Diddy

Thanks to the both of you once again  ;D. I don't think either of those Robert Adamson's are mine. I don't have a d.o.b but if I had to guess it would be around 1760.

Love the poem. If only Kirkcaldy's 1841 census wasn't on the ocean floor, though  :-\

TN
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 16 June 08 14:54 BST (UK)
Beverley: David Tod

Kettle Mildeans  d.23/12/1743 age abt 58  OPR 435-5

Kettle Balmalcolm  d. 25/6/1793 age 19  consumption  OPR 435-5 (NB same as above)

Kettle Burnturk  d.19/3/1793 age 32  s. of george Tod & Ann Wilson  late tenant of Reedyleys (Auchtermurchty parish)

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 16 June 08 15:01 BST (UK)
wow, just hit the jackpot i think:

Margaret Tod  Kettle Rigs  d.4/6/1791 age 62
wife of William Swan  but buried under stone belonging to David Tod - tenant in Milldeans.

also margt Tod  kettle Hill d. 4/5/1741 age abt 60  OPR 435-5

and Balmalcolm  d.19/7/1772 age abt 59  OPR 435-5

can someone tell me - if OPR reocord is same number does that mean the same family / stone?
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Monday 16 June 08 15:02 BST (UK)
margaret tod
kettle balmalcolm
19 jul 1772
age c60
chyard e   opr435-5
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Monday 16 June 08 15:03 BST (UK)
hi
opr number means same book
jacci
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 16 June 08 15:04 BST (UK)
Ta for that.

I just beat you too it with Margt!!  ;D

and another: Margaret Greig  kettle Hildeans  d. 21/3/1826 age 44
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Monday 16 June 08 15:06 BST (UK)
i've got a good excuse though diddy i'm new to this
who said the 1841 census for kirkcaldy is on the ocean floor
jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 16 June 08 15:07 BST (UK)
Beverley - there are 29 Tods listed on CD under kettle - if interested send your email via PM i'll send them to you.

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: WHS1899 on Monday 16 June 08 15:12 BST (UK)
Diddy and jac2,
Thank you for the David Tod's. Don't think they are mine, but will hang onto them in case they are related somehow. thanks also for the Margaret's.

Diddy....that would be of great help...will send PM.

I've been told my Tod's came from Wester Gospetrie on the banks of Loch Leven, but so far have only traced them to Kettle.

Beverley
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: WHS1899 on Monday 16 June 08 15:19 BST (UK)
Can anyone tell me what Mildeans, Balmalcolm and Burnturk are? They were written after Kettle. Are they ares in Kettle?
David and Margaret Tod's children were born in Bankton, Kettle. Assume this is another area in Kettle?

Beverley
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 16 June 08 15:32 BST (UK)
yes thats right - areas / villages. i googles to look myself!!

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: WHS1899 on Monday 16 June 08 15:36 BST (UK)
Thanks Diddy :)

Beverley
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: rubyrose on Monday 16 June 08 18:46 BST (UK)
Hi Jacci and Diddy too,

A couple of days ago, Jacci, you kindly found the deaths of some of my Morrisons in Falkland. I am now wondering if you would be kind enough to see if you can find two of the female lines for me? I am going to Dundee in a couple of weeks, big 60th birthday present, so that I can look around the villages where my ancestors lived and take loads of photographs and also see if I can get a line on some of the nonconformist births in Leslie.

It would be great if you, and anybody else with knows the area, could also give me a few pointers on where else to visit when I am there (I'm going for a week) - including a nice restaurant for my birthday dinner! I'm really excited about this and so looking forward to it.

Anyway, the families I am looking for are the Wrights (Wreights) and the Patricks (Pathericks, Pedries).

Information I have is:

James Patherick and Isabel Williamson married in Monimail 29 March 1735 (so a guess at their birth dates would be 1710-1715). All their children born in Monimail, last one in 1754.

William Patherick (b 21 April 1745 in Monimail) and Mary McNaughton married 3 November 1768 in Monimail.
All their children born in Monimail, last one 1775.

David Pedrie (b. 26 Nov 1769 in Monimail) and Isabel Young. Married 12 January 1790. Only child I know of, Janet Patrick, born 12 Dec 1790 in Monimail.

The Wrights/Wreights are from Auchterderran and I would appreciate a look for George Wreight and Margaret Clark married 14 July 1726 in Auchterderran (so a guess at a birth date for them would be about 1700-06). Last child born in 1737.

Also David Wright (b 1732) and Margaret Horn married Auchterderran 2 Nov 1750. Only child I know of born in 1755.

Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

Ruby



Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 16 June 08 20:21 BST (UK)
Ruby:

Patherick+ variations:
there are 263 Patricks in Cupar which i see is near monimail however none listed monimail itself. I can email these if it would help!!

However there is William Patrick d.8/1/1808 cupar, newtown. s of william  and presumably a brother:
Alexander patrick 20/7/1810 .same place s of William

In Monimail:Christian Pethrie 22/5/1822

MI Auchterderran:
James Wright. 1816 age 7/8  on stone marked DW  JT

Wrights on CD in Auchterderran:
Thomas  23/5/1784

margaret 19/2/1815

Thomas 16/5/1843

also 10 george wrights - various places and 10 margaret Horns - various places

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: rubyrose on Monday 16 June 08 21:04 BST (UK)
Hi Diddy

I really appreciate you taking the time to look for these people. It would be good to have the Patrick Cupar deaths and I'll send my email to you. Could I also please have the George Wrights and Margaret Horns?

William Patrick b 10 July 1771 sounds like the one who died in 1808 and is probably the son of William born 1745. I haven't got an Alexander but I haven't got all the children of these couples yet.

Once again, many thanks for your kindness is helping me track down my Fife family.

Regards

Ruby
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: tn17 on Tuesday 17 June 08 08:42 BST (UK)
who said the 1841 census for kirkcaldy is on the ocean floor
jacci :)

At the risk of dragging the thread off-topic, isn't Kirkcaldy one of those Fife 1841 parishes that was lost when a Ferry sank?
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Tuesday 17 June 08 09:38 BST (UK)
hi  tn17 :)
not to my knowledge it isn't but will definately check in the next couple of days when i'm at the library.
jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: JackyF on Tuesday 17 June 08 09:41 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2,

Thanks for your kind offer of lookups.
I'm looking for WISHART and DEAS in the Cults area. A trip to Cults Chuchyard last year didn't come up with much. Maybe your index has more.

The couple I'm trying to find are:
David WISHART (d 1861?) and
Agnes WISHART (M.S. DEAS) d 1853?

TIA

Jack

Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Tuesday 17 June 08 10:01 BST (UK)
 

hi jack  :)
two agnes's older one possibly her mother.
if david died in 1861 you will get his death cert off scotlands people
jacci :)

Agnes DEAS      Cults      10 Jun 1853                  OPR   OPR 419-2   Old Parochial Registers   5


 Agnes DEAS   PHIL:   Cults,Cult Mill   8 Feb 1836   11 Feb 1836   76      wife   John Deas   Dau of Jas Philp & Agnes Melville   OPR   OPR 419-2   Old Parochial Registers   5


Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: JackyF on Tuesday 17 June 08 10:22 BST (UK)
Wow that was quick!

Yes, I think you found two generations. The one I was looking for was the 1853 one but the other is her mother (according to the unresearched info I have).

What are the two dates for the the elder Agnes? Death and burial?

Thanks again,

Jack
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Tuesday 17 June 08 10:26 BST (UK)
hi jack
yes first dearh second burial
jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Tuesday 17 June 08 10:36 BST (UK)
 hi jack
if agnes melville and james philp are yours here the inscritions for them.
jacci :)



Agnes MELVILLE   
PHIL:   
Cults Mill   
15 Jan 1774      
age 44      
wife of James Philp(d 1788)      
MI's   Mitchel   
Monumental Inscriptions   


 James PHILP      
Cults Mill   
29 Sep 1788      
age 71   
miller   
husband of Agnes Melville(d 1774)      
MI's   
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: excel on Tuesday 17 June 08 13:00 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2,
Thank you for the offer of look ups.
I am looking for Boyds who originated in Newburgh.
The parents were George Boyd b.c1758 and Lindsay Christie b.c 1765.
Then their son, David Boyd b.1789 married Christian Melville in Flisk and their offspring were all born Flisk. David probably won't be in your book as he died 1867 Abdie, Fife but his wife, Christian died pre 1855.
Hope this isn't too much to ask.
Rae
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: twiggypig on Tuesday 17 June 08 13:04 BST (UK)
Hi jac2

I wonder if you could be so kind to do a look up please.  My main line of interest is the surname BEAT mainly in the Kingsbarn area.  My 3x great-grandparents were John and Janet Beat (nee Thomson) but I have reason to believe that John's father was Gavin and the surname then was spelt BEATT.

Any info would be gratefully received.

Regards
Cheryl
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Tuesday 17 June 08 13:57 BST (UK)
hi excel :)
heres the wives for now
jacci :)
 Lindsay CHRISTIE      
abode Newburgh      
23 Oct 1829   
73               
Kirk Session   CH2-277-6   
St Andrews Kirk Session 1582-1600


 Christian BOYD   
MELV:   
Flisk,Glenduckie   
18 Mar 1826   
20 Mar 1826         
wife   of David Boyd   
Interred Abdie   
OPR   OPR 430   
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Tuesday 17 June 08 14:27 BST (UK)
hi cheryl
All i have for now :)


JANET THOMSON
KINGSBARNS
DATE OF DEATH   7/11/1804
DATE OF BURIAL  10/11/1804
OPR 441-2


JOHN BEATT
NEWBURGH
5/6/1808
WEAVER
KIRK SESSION CH2-277-BOX1

JOHN BEATT
CULTS
17/11/1799
OPR 419-1

JOHN BEAT
LEUCHARS COTTARTOWN
20/11/1837
23/11/1837
age 84
OPR 429-3
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: excel on Tuesday 17 June 08 15:18 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for the reply re Boyd.  Much appreciated.
Rae
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Tuesday 17 June 08 15:27 BST (UK)
your welcome rae :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: twiggypig on Tuesday 17 June 08 20:24 BST (UK)
Hi jac2

Many thanks for your quick response, very much appreciated.

Regards
Cheryl
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: NorrieG on Tuesday 17 June 08 20:26 BST (UK)


hi jack  :)


 Agnes DEAS   PHIL:   Cults,Cult Mill   8 Feb 1836   11 Feb 1836   76      wife   John Deas   Dau of Jas Philp & Agnes Melville   OPR   OPR 419-2   Old Parochial Registers   5




this is the inscription & Photograph from the Headstone in Cults Cemetery

50   1816 Erected by John DEAS in memory of James PHILP
   Millar in Cults Mill died 29.9.1788 age 71
   Spouse Agnes MELVILLE died 15.1.1774 age 44
   also Agnes PHILP their daughter spouse to John DEAS
   died 8.2.1836 age 76

Norrie G
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Pizel on Tuesday 17 June 08 20:40 BST (UK)
Hello jac2,
                 I would like to take up your kind offer of look ups
I am currently researching James Meiklejohn and Janet Hutton
parents of Adam Meiklejohn married to Hannah Allan also  janets parents Adam Hutton married to Janet Redpath around the Dunfermline area.

Thank you
pizel
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 19 June 08 13:59 BST (UK)
Ruby rose & Beverley B:   ;D

i now have the MI  North East parishes - already got a list to send to Ruby  but note:

there are links Patricks and Tods

will sort and post

Diddy (fit to burst with information)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 19 June 08 14:05 BST (UK)
Pizel - hi there are 25 meiklejohns listed for Dunfermline on the death CD. none of names you gave but have you dates in mind? 

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ellvera on Thursday 19 June 08 22:55 BST (UK)
Diddy
You have already looked up Margaret Izatt for me earlier in this post and found what could be her buried under her maiden name of Adamson ;D
Could I ask you to see if there is a child,Alexander Izatt,who may have died between 1841 and 1851,who may possibly have been her son.He is on the 1841 census with her husband James and his second wife Agnes (& of course I can't see the relationship because it is 1841 :() but as far as I know,James and Agnes didn't have a son Alexander.I'm clutching at straws here,I know ??? He was in New Monkland,Lanark in 1841,but may have been born in Dunfermline. (I can't find him on the IGI either)age 3 in 1841.
The other thing I would be interested to know is does it do a soundex search when you look for Iz*tt and pick up other mis spellings? It's just that this name is rarely spelled correctly on the census and I wondered if is was the same on MI's though I guess they would have made sure of the spelling on something as important as that.
Thankyou
Barbara
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Thursday 19 June 08 23:09 BST (UK)
hi ellvera :)
couldn't find an alexander for the dates you specify. in answer to your question yes you can do surname variations. altogether 168 izatt names and variations on the pre 1855 index.
jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ellvera on Friday 20 June 08 05:51 BST (UK)
Thanks Jacci
168 - my goodness ??? ??? Well that might come in handy later on.
Thanks for looking for Alexander. I have a suspicion he may have been a nephew,the way these Scots all name their first sons after Grandpa & then swap them around and change their ages for every census to confuse later generations ;)
Much appreciated
Barbara
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 20 June 08 08:06 BST (UK)
Ellvera - yes i will have a look in the MI's. I now have the NE parishes as well. because the MI's are in a book I  have to look at all variations myself but i do do this.

Sorry if i haven't been around to help much the last few days Jac - we are having a family emergency - my sister -in -law rushed into hospital. also i have 9 flutes and 2 clarinets about to take their exams next week so my evenings are full of lessons!! roll on Thursday  ;D

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ellvera on Friday 20 June 08 08:14 BST (UK)
Thanks diddy
I didn't get notified of your reply - there is absolutely no hurry :)
Barbara
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 20 June 08 08:22 BST (UK)
Looks like I'm having a day off work  hurrah!!

no MI's for Alex sorry

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ellvera on Friday 20 June 08 09:10 BST (UK)
Thanks Diddy - I'm not really surprised ??? I can't find a baptism for him either.
appreciate your help
Barbara
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: bones58 on Sunday 22 June 08 19:46 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2,

Would it be possible for you to check for Trail's in Scoonie. I'm trying to find info on James Trail born c.1770 and his wife Elizabeth Dowie and any offspring.

Any help much appreciated.

Bones ;)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Deb D on Monday 23 June 08 07:30 BST (UK)
I realise this may be in records later than the ones you have access to ... but would you be able to find anything on a James Mitchell, lost at sea?  The birth date I have for him is 17/9/1835, and his parents were James Mitchell and Ann Dewar.

Many thanks in advance
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 23 June 08 07:57 BST (UK)
Bones - no sign of james trail scoonie  but there are 22 james / 11 Elizabeths / 429 trails altogether!!  can you therefore give me any other names ie children because relatives are quite often mentioned and i may be able to narrow it down.

off to work soon but will keep on query.

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 23 June 08 08:04 BST (UK)
Deb D - nothing immediately although there are james mitchells.

do we know where he came from originally - birth place /parents wedding etc. it might help - there might be a memorial there.

will look in books anyway. i have the Western & ne parishes.

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Deb D on Monday 23 June 08 08:51 BST (UK)
Thanks, Diddy ... his father James Sr (also listed as a "seaman" on James Jr's marriage registration) was from Crail, and that's where they were living at the time of the marriage of James Jr's son.  It's probably worth mentioning that I suspect there may be some confusion about which James was lost at sea ... or ... perhaps both of them were???

James Sr is noted as "deceased" by the time of James Jr's marriage to Helen Henderson, 31.12.1873, and James Jr is marked down as "deceased" by the time of his son Archibald's marriage to Agnes Morgan, in Kirk Wynd, 12.2.1895.

Cheers
Deb
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 23 June 08 17:36 BST (UK)
Deb - I have:

Captain james Mitchell  d.15/2/1822  kennoway

James Mitchell  bur 9/4/1852 age 82
Ship carpenter & feuar

In the NE MI's there are quite a lot of Mitchells related to the sea.

will have another look with new info.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: bones58 on Monday 23 June 08 19:45 BST (UK)
Hi Diddy,

James and Elizabeth Trail had the following children: Isabel, James, David and Thomas. They married in Kettle, but all the children were born in Scoonie, the last (Thomas) was born in 1800.

Bones ;)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Deb D on Tuesday 24 June 08 07:55 BST (UK)
Many thanks, Diddy ... it doesn't seem the first one is right for James Sr, since the date of death precedes James Jr's birth by a good few years.  James Jr wasn't born until 1849 (marked down as 23 when he married in 1873).  Also working mathematically (ouch, that hurts!)  the second one couldn't be James Sr, either, as that would have made him close to 80 when James Jr was born.

Pity ... would've been nice to have appended "Captain" to somebody's name lol.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Tuesday 24 June 08 08:42 BST (UK)
Found another entry for the Captain - seems he was army and not sea!!  so can't be ours  :-\

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Deb D on Tuesday 24 June 08 12:25 BST (UK)
Oooooops! LOL
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Lass on Tuesday 24 June 08 15:33 BST (UK)
Hi there  :)

I'd love it if you could take a look and see if you can find any Grubb's, located particularly in Crail and St Andrews.  Thanks!

Lass x
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Wednesday 25 June 08 10:52 BST (UK)
Grub*  Crail:

catharine grub  22/3/1759     chd
Mary           "     31/10/1760   girl
Clara          "     22/11/1760    Chd
Elizabeth    "     19/8/1761     chd
James         "       2/3/1762     chs
Margt          "     14/9/1692  dau. of Robert G
catharine    "     22/6/1776   w. of Andrew Brown.  aged woman
John            "    12/8/1757    fisherman
Margt          "     14/2/`1780 wid. of george G.  alias Hog
Thomas      "      15/4/1778   Fisherman. hus. of Elisabeth
George       "       14/4/1791   hus. of Margt Hog



Grub*  St Andrews:

Elspeth Grub    4/4/1761  alias Reid   wid of James (Maltman)
Mary       "        20/1/1738   w. of Alex hamelton (land lab)
Elspeth    "       8/6/1739   d. of James (Maltman)
James      "       29/1/1753   Maltman
Margt      "         31/1/1754    Relict of William scott (Scleator) ?
Janet       "        6/5/1771       Relict of And Hamilton (Indweller)
George grubb   22/3/1849    Sailor
George     "      11850  age 40  s. of henry G / Janet Forgan


Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Lass on Wednesday 25 June 08 19:59 BST (UK)
Thanks so much, looks at first glance like there are a few of 'ours' in there, so this is a great help!  ;D
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: tab11 on Sunday 29 June 08 21:21 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2,

Please could you look up the death of William SIMPSON 18th May 1832
in Dunfermline.

Thanks
Tab11
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Pizel on Sunday 29 June 08 21:36 BST (UK)
 Thank you for your reply Diddy,
                                               Sorry I've taken to long to reply been away to London for a wedding,  The Adam Meiklejohn I have died around 1889 -1890, he was 50yrs old I think!! it is his father james and his mother Margaret Hutton that would be of interest just now.

Pizel
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 29 June 08 21:45 BST (UK)
hi tab11 :)


 William SIMPSON   
Dunfermline   
15 May 1832 date of death   
18 May 1832 date of burial   
58   
collier         
Lingering illness   cause of death
OPR   OPR 424-18   
Old Parochial Registers

jac2 :)   
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: tab11 on Sunday 29 June 08 22:14 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2,

Thankyou for your prompt reply - I wonder what the lingering illness was?

I know I am a bit cheeky but please could you look up his son: -
George SIMPSON dob 6/01/1814 Baldridge, Dunfermline.  He disappears on the 1851 census and we think he must have been involved in a mining accident.
The family are in Clackmannan in 1841.  He marries Helen Paterson on the 11th April 1840.  By 1851 she is remarried and living in Dunfermline.

Thanks again Tab11 :-\
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 29 June 08 22:50 BST (UK)
hi tab11 :)


 George SIMPSON      
Dunfermline,Townhill   
9 Mar 1841   d/o/d
12 Mar 1841   d/o/b
27   age
miner         
Water in the head  -  common ground   
OPR   OPR 424-18   
Old Parochial Registers   


jacci :)

Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: tab11 on Sunday 29 June 08 23:10 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2,

Thank you so much - we have been searching for that info for many years.

What do you think it means?  I will try and google it.

Tab11
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 29 June 08 23:28 BST (UK)
hi tab11 :)

glad to be of help.
lingering illness is most likely emphzemia (miners lung).
water on the head comes up a lot, most likely fluid in the brain, causing the brain to swell. don't quote me on this. if i'm wrong someone is sure to point out the correct meaning.

jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: tab11 on Saturday 05 July 08 19:12 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2,

Please could you do another couple of Fife death lookup's for me.

They are Rev John BEUGO - dod October 1805 - Dunning
and William HALKERSTOUN - dod 1737 Co Beath - (not sure if the records go
back that far?)

Thanks
Tab11
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: danal on Saturday 05 July 08 20:00 BST (UK)
Would it be possible to do a look up for the death dates for the following please?

John Andrew Black (linen weaver) of Dunfermline born 27/11/1779 baptised 5/12/79

Isabel (Isabella) Black nee Lowson (Lawson) born 15/04/1784 Torryburn, baptised 18/04/1784. They were married in Torryburn 30/06/1810.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 06 July 08 23:26 BST (UK)
hi tab11 :)
AS REGARDS
 REV JOHN BEUGO OCT 1805 DUNNING
ASK FOR THAT ON THE PERTH AND KINROSS BOARDS. SOMEONE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP.
I DO HAVE ABOUT 10 BEUGOS ON THE FIFE INDEX AS ITS AN UNUSUAL NAME I WILL PM THEM IF YOU WANT.

WILLIAM HALKERSTOUN 1737
YES THE RECORDS GO BACK TO THE 1500'S
CAN'T FIND THE WILLIAM YOUR LOOKING FOR THOUGH.

SORRY I WAS'T ANY HELP THIS TIME :'(
JACCI :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 06 July 08 23:30 BST (UK)
HI DANAL :)

ONLY JOHN BLACK THAT WOULD FIT IS

JOHN BLACK
TORRYBURN TORRY
DATE OF DEATH 19/1/1827
WEAVER
SOURCE OPR 458

JACCI :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: tab11 on Monday 07 July 08 11:01 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2,

Thanks for doing the Beugo and Halkerstoun lookups.  I would be very interested in deaths relating to either of these names - you are right
they most unusual and most likely relate to my tree.

Thanks again for your help - most appreciated

Tab11 ;)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 07 July 08 12:26 BST (UK)
Hi Tab, thought you might be interested in these MI's for beugo & Halkerston.
E parishes and NE  not got SE.

Beath
John Halkerston of Halkerston's beath 5/12/1670 age 60
W. Margt Pearson
James Halkerston of halkerston's beath 1672 w. Marie Moorbeck

Cairneyhill
1803 Thos Blair E M Cairneyhill
1st w. J Moncrieff marr. 24/10/1792  d.29/12/1802
2nd w. A. halkerston marr 2/9/1808 d.16/9/1810 age 45
2 chn inf.
(notes say Thos Blair  was 2nd minister of cairneyhill ordained 13/9/1791
d.8/9/1820

Culross Abbey
Thos Sands  22/5/1852 age 84
w.janet Halkerston 19/9/1833

Rosyth Old churchyard
1789. David Murley.
w.Euphan Beugo 28/12/1788 age 38
(Notes say David Murray skipper Lymkills parish Dunfermline 1673.misspelling?)

NorthEast parishes.
Collessie
1804.  Wm Buck. w.Ann halkerston  by their successors.

Moonzie
Andrew Halkerston  farmer Drummond. 13/6/1809 age 72
w. Agnes Robertson 15/3/1806 age 66 by s. John farmer Drummond

St Andrews Cathedral
David bennett  20/5/1897 age 73
w. mary Halkerston 25/9/1909 age 81
chn. Agnes, Eliz & Andrew inf.
Jane 8/10/1886 age 31
gchn mary jane
gchn Mary Halkerston Gordon 2/10/1891 age 17
         Euphemia Bennett or White 20/1/1922 age 71
         David bennett 26/8/1920 age 53
        Mary K bennett 2/5/1930 age 76

(flat stone on path) (Jane) Halkerston 1811

Diddy   ;D






Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: tab11 on Monday 07 July 08 12:41 BST (UK)
Hi Diddy,

Thank you for your quick response to my request.  I am having a day off work today and will have time study your finds.  I am sure some of them if not all will be connected to my tree.  Either way I am looking forward to studying them.

Thanks again
Tab11
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Monday 07 July 08 15:26 BST (UK)
hi diddy :)

how did the wedding go

jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 07 July 08 16:00 BST (UK)
Hi jac - it wasn't a wedding- sorry my mistake i put wed meaning wednesday we go!!!! it was an enormous international meccano exhibition.where i run a modelling table for children!!
Was brilliant as usual but very tiring - having a day off to recoup.

Sorry for misleading you - wasn't time before I left to say so.  ;D

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: danal on Monday 07 July 08 17:50 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2

Thanks very much for doing the look up for me. Much appreciated.

Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Tuesday 08 July 08 21:01 BST (UK)
hi diddy :)
just a question does your n/east  index cover cupar. and if it does could you look up a couple of mis for me please
jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Wednesday 09 July 08 08:00 BST (UK)
Hi Jacci, yes NE covers:

Abdie; Auchtermuchty; Balmerino; Boarhills; cameron; ceres; Collessie;
Creich; Cults; Cuper- Cemetery & Extension; Dairsie; Dunbog; Dunino; Falkland' Ferry-Port-0n-craig; Flisk; Forgan; Kemback; Kilmany; Kingskettle;
Leuchars; Logie; Monimail; Moonzie; Newburgh; St Andrews - Cemetery, trinity Church, st Leonards Chapel & St Salvators church; Strathmiglo.

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Wednesday 09 July 08 10:56 BST (UK)
hi diddy  :)
could you check these and see if anything else is written. Or if there even is a stone
THANKS JACCI :)


 Janat DEWAR   
MARRIED NAME     DONALDSON    
Auchtermuchty   
DATE OF DEATH   27 Nov 1832      
AGE    59      
mother OF David Donaldson   
David Donaldson Sgt-Maj -  67th Reg   
Mi's   Bonthrone


have yet to find husband james donaldson.

=======================================================


 Margaret BIRRELL   
MARRIED NAME   JACK   
Cupar      
14 Apr 1849   
AGE   76      widow OF Wm Jack(blacksmith)  ?????????
C/O/D    Old age   
OPR420-5   


margaret birrell married to andrew jack (blacksmith) 4 KNOWN CHILDREN BORN FERNIEHALL CUPAR source oprs  birth/death certs

MARGARET BIRRELL / ANDREW JACK MARRIED 1800 EDINBURGH source oprs

 Andrew JACK
Cupar      
26 Aug 1824                  
OPR420-

=======================================================
PS         I remember my brothers meccano set well :)


Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Wednesday 09 July 08 13:35 BST (UK)
Jacci,

Auchtermuchty
stone14: 1832. by David Donaldson sgt maj 67th reg. mo janat Dewar 27/11/1832  59

Cupar churchyard
stone21: Thomas Birrel wright here, to wife helenor Adair  11/6/1832  52

Stone57: Rev John Birrell AM minister here 1/2/1842  53 by Mrs CK

stone 105: David Birrell Millar, gmo Christian Inglis or Millar 22/6/1854.
mo. helen birrell or Millar 6/1/1881
aunt Christina Birrell 25/2/1895
Siss. Isabella 15/7/1853. magdalene Millar 4/5/1898

Cupar Ext
stone 41: James Birrell. merchant & manufacturer Cupar 11/5/1850 agr 63
w. --ry  d.1/2/18(33)  int.Moonzie by chn in 1850 J

there is also an obelisk to the Welch family which at the end mentions a Rebecca Playfair Jack 22/1/ --79 who was married to James Andrew Welch.

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Wednesday 09 July 08 14:13 BST (UK)
Hi jaq11

As I am a 1st cousin twice removed of Janet Mackie Drummond who married David Bennett the son of David and Mary (Halkerston) here in St Andrews, Fife on 2 Feb 1912, I am particularly interested in your post above regarding:

St Andrews Cathedral
David bennett  20/5/1897 age 73
w. mary Halkerston 25/9/1909 age 81
chn. Agnes, Eliz & Andrew inf.
Jane 8/10/1886 age 31
gchn mary jane
gchn Mary Halkerston Gordon 2/10/1891 age 17
         Euphemia Bennett or White 20/1/1922 age 71
         David bennett 26/8/1920 age 53
         Mary K bennett 2/5/1930 age 76
(flat stone on path) (Jane) Halkerston 1811

Are you related to the Bennett/Halkerston families?

Regards

Chiad Fhear
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Wednesday 09 July 08 14:26 BST (UK)
Hi Chiad :)

As far as i know i'm not related to the bennets and halkerstons.
I was just doing a look up for someone else who has halkerstons in their tree.

jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Wednesday 09 July 08 15:14 BST (UK)
Hi Tab 11

Curious to know how/if you are related to the Bennets and Halkertsons of St Andrews in Fife.

I have a 'cousin' who married David the son of David Bennett and Mary Halkerston buried in the Cathedral grounds here in St Andrews.

Regards

Chiad Fhear
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: rubyrose on Thursday 10 July 08 00:03 BST (UK)
Hi Jacci and Diddy

I'm back from my visit to Fife and not sure where to post but I thought I'd put it here. I had a marvellous time and thanks to the information you gave me I found my 5xggf's grave in Falkland and also found another generation of Betts/Beats in the records in Dundee Family History Centre as well as the elusive death of my 3xggm who died in childbirth. I walked along West Port in Falkland where my ancestors lived and tried without success to find the butcher's shops in Dundee, the site of one is the ring road and the other a car park! I did however find Dudhope Castle where a brother of my 4xggf was Drill Sergeant.

I absolutely loved Falkland and will stay there if we are lucky enough to go again. We were staying in Dundee and I have to say that the town planners need shooting - that ring road makes the place feel like it is permanently under seige!

I didn't get to Kirkcaldy and didn't get half the stuff I wanted. The nonconformist records for Leslie will have to wait for the next visit but once I have sorted out all the information I have gathered I will be asking for your help again to track the ancestors I didn't get.

Finally, I found Monimail Parish Church where my 4xggf was married and his 12 children were christened and of all the places I visited that one gave me such a spooky feeling, as if they knew I was there! I got some cracking photos and the staff in the libraries were great so I also got lots of old maps and photos.

Once again, many thanks for your help.

Regards

Ruby
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 10 July 08 11:01 BST (UK)
Ruby - sounds brilliant. I'd love to visit Fife and clackmannan (generations of Cooks!) but its a fair few miles from the Midlands.

Still I have a stopping off point in Northumberland with an Aunt so maybe one of these days.....

Diddy  (green with envy)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Thursday 10 July 08 12:37 BST (UK)
hi ruby  :)
Glad you enjoyed the fair county of fife. Your right falkland is a beautiful village. Did you get a chance to go into falkland palace? we often take a drive there on a good day.
jacci. :)

HASTE YE BACK
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Thursday 10 July 08 12:44 BST (UK)
HI DIDDY :)
thanks for looking up that info for me, much appreciated.
jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: slgood on Saturday 19 July 08 03:43 BST (UK)
Hi

Could I get a look up of a death/burial of John Ramsay in Collessie .

Also are you related to Donaldson's and Mitchell's in Auchtermuchty ? 

Thanks
Sarah
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Saturday 19 July 08 07:56 BST (UK)
Hi sarah :)
These are the only john ramsays that come up.  Note the first two are the same person burial just recorded in two seperate places.

In answer to your question, yes i'm related to the donaldsons of auchtermuchty.
jacci :)


 John RAMSAY      
Collessie,Drumtennant      
date of burial  30 Oct 1775   
age   nk   
occupation   kirk elder            
source   Kirk Session   CH2-765-1&2   
St Andrews Kirk Session 1582-1600



John RAMSAY      
Collessie,Drumtenant      
D/O/B     30 Oct 1775   
nk            
Parish elder   
OPR   Rae Arnot   
Old Parochial Registers   



 John RAMSAY      
Collessie      
D/O/B  24 Oct 1743   
nk               
OPR   Rae Arnot   
Old Parochial Registers   




 John RAMSAY      Collessie,Kinloch      
D/O/B/  16 Oct 1806   nk               
OPR   Rae Arnot   
Old Parochial Registers   
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: slgood on Sunday 20 July 08 01:03 BST (UK)
Hi Jacci

I am descended from James Donaldson and Janet Dewar's son William then through William's son James.  You must be descended through William's son David who married Euphemia Bogie?  Wow, I am thrilled !  This is the first time i have found anyone else online who is actually researching the same Donaldson family.  My Mom has been researching the Donaldson's for many many years and has accumulated quite a bit of information.  Would you be interested in sharing info? 

Also, thank you for the burial information of the John Ramsay's.  If you have time would there be a burial of a Magdalen or Marjory Ramsay in Collessie?

Thanks,
Sarah
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 20 July 08 11:53 BST (UK)
Hi sarah :)
you were spot on, david/euphemia were my 2xgreat granparents.
yes i would love to share info, will send you a pm.

jacci :)

 Magdalene RAMSAY   
maiden name--- SMART   
Collessie,Kinloch      
28 Mar 1809   
nk      
widow of John Ramsay      
OPR   Rae Arnot   
Old Parochial Registers

 Ann RAMSAY      
Collessie,Kinloch      
9 Feb 1798   
nk      
daughter   of John Ramsay      
OPR   Rae Arnot   
Old Parochial Registers

Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: icini on Tuesday 22 July 08 19:33 BST (UK)
Hello: could you check for spouses Alexander foot(e) a butcher and Marion Foot(e) nee Lindsay. Parents to Anne and marion, possibly others.  Dates- 1828-1855; location- dunfermline.  thank you.  Donna
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 27 July 08 10:41 BST (UK)
HI Donna :)
I can't find any deaths for marion or alexander in the index theres 20 foot(e)s
altogether will send them in a pm.
jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ellvera on Monday 04 August 08 10:55 BST (UK)
Hello
May I ask for a death or MI for George Penman somewhere between 1845 and 1851.The family were living at Wellwood Colliery,Dunfermline. George was born about 1791.His wife was Jean or Jane Izett.
Thankyou :)
Barbara
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 04 August 08 11:15 BST (UK)
Barbara, there are only 2 george penmans on CD listed death after 1845 in Wellwood Colliery/ dunfermine don't match with your ages:

George penman d.6/10/1849 age 39  cholera  OPR 424-18

George penman  d.17/10/1849  age 8  Cholera  (think son of above)

Diddy

Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ellvera on Monday 04 August 08 12:19 BST (UK)
Thankyou Diddy,that was quick.
I'm sure they will fit in somewhere.I am guessing that this George died after 1845 because there is a 2 year old son living with his widow on the 1851 Census.I got his age from the 1841,so it could be wrong.
Thanks again :)
Barbara
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: danal on Monday 04 August 08 13:21 BST (UK)
May I please ask for a lookup for the death of Isabel (Isabella) Black nee Lowson (Lawson) born 15/04/1784 Torryburn, baptised 18/04/1784. She married John Black in Torryburn 30/06/1810. 
 
Thanks for any help you can give.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 04 August 08 14:00 BST (UK)
hi, nothing in Torryburn but found these in kirkcaldy:

Isabella Black  d. 25/3/1814   wife of John Black, sailor

Isabella Black   d.9/9/1853  eldest dau. of john Black (builder,  decd)

first one possible, no age given - would only be 4 years after marriage.

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: danal on Monday 04 August 08 17:04 BST (UK)
Thaks for your help. Don't think either of these is the one as John Black was definitely a weaver.  Am having real problems with this lady. Think she may have sometimes used the name Crawford and not Lowson. Would it be possible to look under that surname for me too please? Sometimes spelt Crauford or Crawfurd. Thanks.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: teadealer on Tuesday 05 August 08 10:11 BST (UK)
Hi Sarah

Reading through the posts,,the name Bogie came up,I have a David Bogie who married  an Euphemia Leighton about 1830 in Auchterderran,I will try to see how far down the line I can get.

Peter
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Tuesday 05 August 08 10:15 BST (UK)
Danal, nonlistings sorry.

do you have John Blacks death? found one that might be his father?:

John Black, weaver  d.12/2/1784 Torryburn

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Tuesday 05 August 08 10:17 BST (UK)
found one isabella Crawford:

isabella Crawford (Henderson)  d.9/1/1838  wife of John Crawford, bookseller.

Prob not yours because of bookseller. not very close to weaver!!

why the problems with her name, did she marry more than once?

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: danal on Tuesday 05 August 08 13:55 BST (UK)
Hi Diddy

Thanks for your help. The death you found for John Black could certainly be his father. Makes sense he had the same name as son and same profession and birthplace. I had not actually discovered his parentage yet.

Re. Isobel Lowson - this is a bit of a mystery!  I have been unable to locate a marriage listing for John Black and Isobel Lowson but do have a birth listing for their son John born in Torryburn 11/11/1810. I also have the death certificate of John (younger) which states his mother and father were John Black and Isobel Lowson. Could be they never married!  However, have found a marriage between a John Black and Isobel Crawford in Torryburn 30/6/1810. Also a birth certificate for 28/10/1770 which gives details of Isabel Crawford having a child Mary Isabel by John Black the younger, a twister in Dunfermline, born illigitimately. The 3 families do seem linked somehow, but how?  Have looked at birth of Isobel Lowson and found a birth certificate for 15/4/1784 in Torryburn - parents George Lowson and Margaret Reid but not sure if this is the same one!  All a bit of a muddle!
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Tuesday 05 August 08 17:20 BST (UK)
Thought...

you say you have the death cert for john (younger) - does isobels name say m.s. for maiden name - if not prob not married

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: danal on Tuesday 05 August 08 21:25 BST (UK)
John's death certificate gives mother as Isobel (Isabel) Black ms Lowson or Lawson, which gives he impression they did marry! However, it could have been she just took his name for convenience and appearances I suppose especially as the info. was given by the son.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: NorrieG on Tuesday 05 August 08 23:59 BST (UK)
Hi Ailsa  these are Headstone inscriptions from Leys Road Cemetery Dunfermline, quite a number of Beveridges buried there

578   Erected by William BEVERIDGE
   son John died -----?
   son William died  14.6.1872
   wife Janet SMITH died 1875? age 35
   wife Isabella GRUNLY died 6.4.1893 age 62
   wife Christina WATTERS died 23.5.1915 age 78
   above William BEVERIDGE died 16.7.1921 age 87


709   Janet BEVERIDGE died 22.6.1868 age 13m
   James BEVERIDGE died 2.8.1897 age 19
   John Beveridge died 16.6.1899 age 29
   William BEVERIDGE husband of Joan BURT
    died 4.8.1913 age 68


1025   erected by William BEVERIDGE headmaster
    Commercial School in memory of his son
   Willie Morton BEVERIDGE died 15.5.1902 age 20
   Wife Christina MORTON died 1904? age 61
   above William BEVERIDGE died 8.9.1912 age 70

46   William BEVERIDGE  died 26.10.1925 age 53
   wife Margaret REEDIE died 27.1.1969 age 91

Norrie G
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: JAP on Wednesday 06 August 08 11:15 BST (UK)
Hi Sarah

Reading through the posts,,the name Bogie came up,I have a David Bogie who married  an Euphemia Leighton about 1830 in Auchterderran,I will try to see how far down the line I can get.

Peter

Hi teadealer, slgood and jac2,

It looks as though these are (or might well be) two different lines?

The BOGIEs of slgood (Sarah) and jac2 (jacci) seem to be one line; and the BOGIEs of teadealer (Peter) a different line?

Later edit:
What I posted here yesterday was irrelevant to the topic of this thread (FIFE Death Index pre 1855) so I have moved the content to a new thread at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,319797.msg2005787.html#msg2005787
in order to avoid cluttering up this thread.

Best regards,

JAP
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: bones58 on Wednesday 06 August 08 19:28 BST (UK)
Hi Jac and Diddy,

I'm trying to find the deaths of Andrew Meldrum and his wife Agnes Gray possibly in the Scoonie area sometime after 1804. They were born around 1770, and had at least one daughter called Ann.

Many Thanks
Bones ;)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Wednesday 06 August 08 21:28 BST (UK)
hi bones :)
hope this helps added agnes meldrum daughter will leave it to you to check it out. there is another mrs agnes meldrum/wilson but shes the wife of david meldrum i believe.
jacci :)


 Andrew MELDRUM      
abode Scoonie,Leven   
date of death 14 Feb 1827   
date of burial  16 Feb 1827
OPR   OPR456-4   
Old Parochial Registers
   
Mrs  MELDRUM      
abode Scoonie,Leven   
date of death 26 Jul 1825   
date of burial  28 Jul 1825         
wife of Andw Meldrum      
OPR   OPR456-4   
Old Parochial Registers
   
 Agnes MELDRUM      
Scoonie,Leven   
date of death 23 Aug 1819   
date of burial  25 Aug 1819         
daughter   Andrew Meldrum(sailor)      
OPR   OPR456-3   
Old Parochial Registers   


family search

andrew meldrum agnes gray married scoonie fife 8/8/1797

andrew meldrum b 11/3/1800  c 16/3/1800 scoonie fife father andrew meldrum mother agnes gray

grizzel meldrum b 7/7/1798  scoonie fife father andrew meldrum mother agnes gray





Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: JAP on Thursday 07 August 08 13:26 BST (UK)
Hi jac2,

Do you have any LOCHTIE or LOCHTY entries?

Many thanks,

JAP
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 07 August 08 16:17 BST (UK)
Lots of Lochties - any particular names / area?

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: JAP on Thursday 07 August 08 16:49 BST (UK)
Hi diddy,

LOCHTIE/LOCHTY is (perhaps surprisingly) a very rare name!  And another variant (incredibly rare) is LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY.

Perhaps I have them all.

I was just being a bit cheeky and thinking that another pair of eyes in the pre-1855 deaths might add something ...

And hoping that there might be another LOCHTIE researcher out there ...

The name seems to appear first in Dunfermline records (from Aberdour) ca early 1600s (which might be nothing more than a reflection of the dates when records were kept!!)  And then, in pre-1855 days, mainly Aberdour and Dalgety - perhaps a few Burntisland, Dunfermline, Inverkeithing, and Kinghorn.

Two main lines seem to diverge very early on ...

Don't worry about it ....  ;D

Best regards,

JAP
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: bones58 on Thursday 07 August 08 21:13 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2,


Many thanks for the info, it's greatly appreciated. It also gives me another couple of names to check out.

Bones ;)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Deb D on Friday 08 August 08 01:07 BST (UK)
Me again, sorry, I've been down with the 'flu so not "compos mentis" enough to call back and thank you for looking up the James Mitchells.  Very much appreciated, wish I'd gotten back earlier.

Did anyone find out about that 1841 census that reportedly went to Davy Jones' Locker in a ferry sinking?

Should we call in Bob Ballard?   :o
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ellvera on Sunday 10 August 08 03:46 BST (UK)
Could I be cheeky and ask you to look up the following deaths for me?
George Penman  and his wife Janet, formerly Izatt both born  in the 1790's  and living in the Dunfermline area  - you have already found what I believe to be their son and grandson on an earlier posting  ;)
Alexander Izett around 1840 Dunfermline area
Andrew Izatt around 1850 Dunfermline area
George Izatt before 1852  Dunfermline area
Helen Izatt formerly Spowart 1850ish
Katherine Adamson formerly Wilson before 1790 Carnock
Robert Wylie and his wife Janet Christie died between 1829 and before 1864 Dunfermline
Sorry to be so vague - I have been trying to do a tree for a friend who flies out to Scotland on Tuesday,everything was well on schedule & then no computer for three weeks :(
I will understand perfectly if this is too much to ask.There are so many Izatts,Penmans and Wylies in this family all naming their children the same and many marrying relatives,which is very helpful of them in normal circumstances,but frustrating when you ony have 24 hours to get things sorted ???
Thankyou
barbara
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 10 August 08 10:14 BST (UK)
 hi barbara
heres what i have just now to keep you going
jacci



Alexander IZETT      
Dunfermline   
12 Dec 1840   
15 Dec 1840   
61   
miner         
Old age  -  Common Ground   
OPR   OPR 424-18      


 Andrew IZETT      
Dunfermline   
23 Mar 1841   
26 Mar 1841   
51   
coal hewer         
Fever  -  common ground   
OPR   OPR 424-18      


 George IZETT      
Dunfermline,Wellwood Colliery   
3 Mar 1852   
5 Mar 1852   
26   
miner         
Consumption   
OPR   OPR 424-18   
   
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 10 August 08 10:57 BST (UK)
hi barbara
heres the next lot
jacci :)


 George PENMAN      
Dunfermline   
5 Jul 1841   
8 Jul 1841   
66   
miner         
Old age  -  common ground   
OPR   OPR 424-18   

 George PENMAN      
Dunfermline,Crossgates   
20 Jan 1842   
23 Jan 1842   
60            
Decline  -  common ground   
OPR   OPR 424-18   

 George PENMAN      
Dunfermline,Townhill   
1 Jan 1842   
4 Jan 1842   
82            
Old age  -  common ground   
OPR   OPR 424-18   
=======================

 Janet PENMAN      
Dunfermline,Newrow   
28 Jan 1842   
30 Jan 1842   
72            
Burning  -  old ground   
OPR   OPR 424-18   

 Janet PENMAN      
Dunfermline,Rumblingwell   
15 May 1848   
17 May 1848   
79            
Palsy  -  common ground   
OPR   OPR 424-18   

 Janet PENMAN      
Dunfermline,James St   
16 Oct 1849   
17 Oct 1849   
45            
Cholera  -  new ground   
OPR   OPR 424-18   
==========================================
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 10 August 08 11:31 BST (UK)
 hi barbara :)
next lot, your going to be busy for the next 24 hours checking all this.
jacci :)



Robert WYLLIE      
Abbotshall      
25 Dec 1803                  
OPR   OPR 399-5

 Robert WYLLIE   WILL:   
Abbotshall      
6 Feb 1848   
62               
OPR   OPR 399-7   

 Robert WYLIE      
Kinglassie      
20 Aug 1835   
nk            
Interred in Jean Baxter - s ground   
OPR   OPR440-4   

 Robert WYLIE      
Inverkeithing      
26 Mar 1835                  
OPR   OPR432-3   
Old Parochial Registers   
=============================
 Janet CHRISTIE      
Markinch,Coaltown      
26 Sep 1830   
70               
OPR   OPR 447
   
 Janet CHRISTIE      
Strathmiglo      
22 Jun 1854                  
OPR   OPR 457
   
 Janet CHRISTIE      
Dunfermline,Netherton   
12 Nov 1833   
14 Nov 1833   
80            
Old age  -  new ground   
OPR   OPR 424-18
   
Janet CHRISTIE      
Strathmiglo,Pitgorno   
 1854            
daughter   Jas Christie\Eliz Keddie      
MI's   Mitchel   Monumental Inscriptions   
================================
 Helen SPOWART      
Dunfermline,Rumblingwell   
5 May 1850   
8 May 1850   
75            
Old age   OPR   OPR 424-18   

 Helen SPOWART      
Dunfermline,Rumblingwell   
2 Oct 1850   
6 Oct 1850   
22               
OPR   OPR 424-18       
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 10 August 08 11:43 BST (UK)
 hi barbara
i'm adding these for two reasons
1) tulliallan not far outside of dunfermline.
2) theres not many wylies on the death index and they might connect to the ones your looking for.
now i must go to dunfermline and collect my daughter from the hospital for a couple of hours. shes just had three ops in five days. (all through a dog bite)
jacci



Robert WYLIE      
Tulliallan   
30 Dec 1836      
28      
son   Robt Wylie\Jane Primrose   
Died Liverpool  - born 27 Sep 1808   
Tulliallan M   Wolsey Survey
      
 Robert WYLIE      
Tulliallan   
30 Dec 1836   
2 Jan 1837               
Died at Liverpool.
 Buried at St James Cemetery.   
OPR   OPR 397   

 Robert WYLIE      
Tulliallan   
9 Oct 1844      
69   
shipowner            
OPR   OPR 397

      
 Robert WYLIE      
Tulliallan   
9 Oct 1844      
69   
shipowner   
husband   Jane Primrose      
Tulliallan M   Wolsey Survey   

 Jane WYLIE   
PRIM:   
Tulliallan   
8 Sep 1825      
52      
wife   Robert Wylie(shipowner)      
Tulliallan M   Wolsey Survey      

 James WYLLIE      
Inverkeithing   
17 Sep 1834         
owner of sloop "Helens"         
Body found Leith Harbour -
 Fife Herald 25 Sep 1834
Nwsp   Campbell   Newspaper   

Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ellvera on Sunday 10 August 08 12:28 BST (UK)
Oh Wow Jacci - that is just wonderful!!
Thank you so much,I wasn't expecting anything like the amount of information you have given me :D :D :D
I'll be able to put a few last minute details in the morning.
I really appreciate this and so will my friend.
Thankyou, thankyou,thankyou ;D
Barbara
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 10 August 08 12:48 BST (UK)
hi barbara :)
your welcome just flying out the door at the moment
jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: trish251 on Friday 22 August 08 12:37 BST (UK)
Hi Jacci

I am looking for the death of two folks probable parish St Andrews and St Leonards
One is Isabel/Isabella Scott - probably born 1785-1795 (married 1813 to David Scott - MS and married name both Scott)
Her last child born 1822, husband remarried 1823.

I also have a Henry Duncan Scott born 1830 Parents David and Joan/Jane - who is not on the 1841 census

many thanks

Trish
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 22 August 08 13:57 BST (UK)
St Andrews cathedral MI's in NE parishes book:

stone 795:
David Scott 24.8.1873 age 87  1st w. isabella Scott 1.8.1822 age 34
s. Alex 4.8.1838 age 14
1s.henry Duncan scott 20.9.1838 age 8
s.William 18.5.1858 age 36
2nd w. jane henderson 7.9.1862 age 65

will now look on CD but suspect this gives more info!!

diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 22 August 08 14:08 BST (UK)
CD extra info:

Bell  (Isabella) scott  d. 1.8.1822
w of david Scott (Shoemaker)

also found another David Scott  d.11.10.1816
s. of David Scott shoemaker  so prob another son.

Henry & Alex both given as s. of david scott & Jane henderson

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: torrygirl on Friday 22 August 08 16:12 BST (UK)
Hope you won't regret looking up Fife Deaths and it certainly is appreciated.

Could you find Agnes Ross nee Balfour born in Kilrenny in Sept 1750.  Married John Ross in 1772 in Kilrenny.

Thank you in advance for your help.  Torrygirl
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: KPM on Friday 22 August 08 16:31 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2

Would you mind looking for a death record for John Paterson who died around 1844.    I think it could be 1844 but cant be sure.  Could have been in St Monance or Kilconquhar but again not too sure.

Any help you could offer would be really appreciated (if you come across any other Paterson's whilst looking could I be a bit cheeky and ask if you would also let me know their details as well - its there's not too many!)

Thank you for your generous offer

KPM
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 22 August 08 17:08 BST (UK)
Torrygirl, sorry no sign of Agnes in Kilrenny. 3 other Ross's there:

Margaret d.8/9/1775
janet d.15/7/1774
Kathreine 1838    no ages known

I don't have the SE parishes MI's

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 22 August 08 17:14 BST (UK)
KPM,
John Paterson  d.8/4/1845  age 6  Kilconquhar, Balcarres Mill

other one died 1820 so prob not yours.

there are 24 patersons in kilconquhar and 9 in St monance so if you like i can send them via a word doc if you let me have your email via a PM

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 22 August 08 17:29 BST (UK)
found a John Paterson in Elis just up the road:

d.29/12/1853  Elie
s. of James paterson & Margt Durie  age 40
OPR 427-3  & MI's (so a stone)

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: KPM on Friday 22 August 08 19:29 BST (UK)
Hi Diddymiller

Many thanks for your replies - I believe the first one is mine.

I would really appreciate details of the other Patersons and will pm you my e-mail address.

Once again, many thanks for your help - it really is appreciated

Anne-Marie
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: trish251 on Saturday 23 August 08 01:26 BST (UK)
St Andrews cathedral MI's in NE parishes book:

stone 795:
David Scott 24.8.1873 age 87  1st w. isabella Scott 1.8.1822 age 34
s. Alex 4.8.1838 age 14
1s.henry Duncan scott 20.9.1838 age 8
s.William 18.5.1858 age 36
2nd w. jane henderson 7.9.1862 age 65

will now look on CD but suspect this gives more info!!

diddy

Diddy - you are an absolute angel - wow and wow

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Trish

Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: nick92 on Saturday 13 September 08 19:49 BST (UK)
Hello Diddymiller!

I was wondering if you still did look up on Fife death Index pre 1855 ?

Let me know, please.

Thank you!

Nick.  :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Saturday 13 September 08 20:58 BST (UK)
hi nick92 :)

look ups still available just post the names  years and places and i'll get back to you

jac2 :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: nick92 on Saturday 13 September 08 21:12 BST (UK)
Oh okay cool! Thanks!!!

So I'm looking for the following peoples :

- Alexander Ednie died in 1806 in Carnbee,
- Alexander Ednie died in 1802 in Kilconquhar,
- Alexander Ednie died between 1841 & 1851 in Fife, I think, in Kilconquhar, but if not, a parish around this one.
- John McIntosh died before 1841 in Fife, also around Kilconquhar too. He was a sailsor/seaman and before that he was a private.

If there isn't enough infos for some of the people, let me know.

Thank you very much!

Nick.  :D
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Saturday 13 September 08 21:29 BST (UK)
hi nick  :)
these are all the alexander ednies no john mcintosh showing as a sailor. although there are 19 john mcintosh's listed of all ages
jacci :)


Alexander EDNIE      
Kilconquhar,Largoward   
death 26 Dec 1802   
burial 28 Dec 1802      
coallier   
husband of Margaret Methven      
OPR   OPR 436-3      

 Alexander EDNIE      
Carnbee,Arncroach   
death 12 Dec 1836         
whaler, "thomas"         
died Davis Straits#see Geo Gourlay: Our old Neighbours(1887)   
Printed Sources         

 Alexander EDNIE      
Ceres      
death 9 Jan 1835   
age 3m            
Measles   
OPR   OPR415      

 Alexander EDNIE      
Kirkcaldy      
death 12 Jan 1845   
age 3      
son of William Eadney      
Lair   CH2-636-28&30      

 Alexander EDNIE      
Abbotshall,Newtown   
death 13 May 1858   
burial 15 May 1858   
age 3      
child of Alex,& Isabella Galloway   
Meningitis   OPR   
OPR399-8+Stat Reg.      
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: nick92 on Saturday 13 September 08 21:42 BST (UK)
Thanks a lot!

Haven't you find Alexander Ednie who died in 1806 in Carnbee ? Could you, please, try to search for him under these names : Alexander Udny or Udney, or Edney. But I'm sure he died in Carnbee in 1806...  ???

For the John MacIntosh, Have you tried written as McIntosh, McKintosh, MacKintosh, and MacIntosh... My John McIntosh, was born around 1770, he was the husband of Elizabeth Murray.

Let me know, please.  :)

Thanks again!  ;D

Nick.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Saturday 13 September 08 21:46 BST (UK)
hi nick
will double check
jacci
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Saturday 13 September 08 22:16 BST (UK)
hi nick
found him not much info apart from what you have. sorry i can't be of much help with john
jacci


alexander udney
carnbee
burial 14 sep 1806
age uk
opr      opr451-2

this one wrong man right occupation right wife

 John Usher MCALLAN      
Inverkeithing   
death 16 Apr 1837      
nk   
shipmaster   
husband   of Elizabeth Murray      
Wills Fi   SC20-50-16   Fife Wills in Sheriff Court of Fife, Register of Inventories   

this one right man wrong date wrong wife

john mcintosh
ferry port on craig
6 apr 1854
husband of elizabeth clark
father of thomas mcintosh (died 1873) - shipmaster buried howff - dundee
mi's mitchell
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: nick92 on Saturday 13 September 08 23:35 BST (UK)
Okay, Thanks!

I'm sorry I did a mistake!  :o

John's wife isn't Elizabeth Murray, but Christina/Christian Murray! I don't know if it will change something.

Let me know,

thank you,

Nick.  :)

Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 14 September 08 12:24 BST (UK)
thanks for picking that one up jacci - I've been partying this weekend!!!  8)  8)

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 14 September 08 12:53 BST (UK)
hi diddy :)
trade places with you please
jacci :)


Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 14 September 08 12:58 BST (UK)
hi nick  :)
first one looks to be the best bet sexton book indicates some reference to the sea, others all fit into the time frame you gave.
jacci :)



John MCTOSH      
Crail      
25 Sep 1842                        
 relative of Thomas Hill      
Sexton Book   Crail Museum
----------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
John MCINTOSH      
Cults      
16 Apr 1816                  
OPR   OPR 419-1      
---------------------------------
John MCINTOSH      
St Andrews,Balmungo   
10 Sep 1820         
labourer            
OPR   OPR 453-21      
---------------------------------
John MCINTOSH      
Cupar      
4 Nov 1824                  
OPR   OPR420-5   
--------------------------------    
John MCKINTOSH      
Abbotshall      
 8 Mar 1825         
son of William McKintosh      
OPR   OPR399      
-------------------------------
John MCINTOSH      
Largo,Thomsford      
26 Dec 1833      
quarrier            
OPR   OPR443-4      
------------------------------
John MCINTOSH      
Cupar      
29 Dec 1833   
80            
Old age - father -  tailor   
OPR   OPR420-5   
--------------------------------
John MCINTOSH      
Ferry Port On Craig   
29 Nov 1849                  
Cholera   OPR   
OPR429-3      
--------------------------------
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: andy14 on Sunday 14 September 08 22:31 BST (UK)
If you wouldn't mind, I've got a long shot!!

with a Thomas Black some time after 1668 (he would have been 26 then). likely St.Andrews or close by.

thanks in hope.

andy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Sunday 14 September 08 23:15 BST (UK)
hi andy :)
all thomas blacks in the time frame up to approx 100 years of age. two most likely being cupar and ceres as they are the nearest to st andrews next dysart just a few miles down the coast
jacci :)


Reverend Thomas BLACK      
Leslie   
Sep 1698         
minister         
Granduncle of Rev Thomas Black of Anstruther Wester   
SofH   Service of Heirs/Printed   Services of Heirs   

 Thomas BLACK      
Dysart      
24 Feb 1722         
son of John Black(carpenter,dec)      
OPR   OPR 426-2   Old Parochial Registers
   
Thomas BLACK      
Cupar      
15 Nov 1731         
son of Patrick Black(writer)      
OPR   OPR420-2     Old Parochial Registers

Reverend Thomas BLACK      
Perth   
25 Oct 1739                  
Minister Strathmiglo -  Wemyss -  Perth   
Hew Scott   Fasti

 Thomas BLACK      
Ceres      
10 May 1740         
son of James Black      
OPR   OPR415-2   Old Parochial Registers   

   
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: nick92 on Monday 15 September 08 00:19 BST (UK)
I think my John McIntosh is in the one you gave me, I only need to find a few more infos and then find him!

Thank you very much for your help jacci!  :D
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: andy14 on Monday 15 September 08 10:11 BST (UK)
jac2

many many thanks, the Ceres one looks about right.
 ;D

andy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: andy14 on Monday 15 September 08 22:22 BST (UK)
jac2

could I be really cheeky and see if there is amention of Thomas's father. He was James black born 1668 or his father who was also a Thomas born 1642 all in st andrew's area

thanks again
andy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ostler on Wednesday 17 September 08 12:17 BST (UK)
jac2

Could you please look up Christian Fleming née Hoy for me? She died between 1841 and 1851. She was born c.1790, and her husband was Alexander Fleming. She probably died in Thornton, if not, then possibly Falkland.

Also Helen Grieve née Fraser, died again between 1841 and 1851. Born c.1761 and married James Grieve. Probably died in Newton of Falkland. If you could find James Grieve that'd be great, but I have literally no information on him.

James Osler (or Ostler or Hostler), and his wife Janet Louden. James was born 1762 in Carnbee, and Janet was born c.1770.

If you can find any deaths of an Elspeth Coldstream in Fife between 1786 and 1855 that would be legendary.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Wednesday 17 September 08 13:23 BST (UK)
hi ostler :)
heres what i've found so far
jacci :)

Christian FLEMING   
alias HAY   
abode Markinch,Thornton   
death 7 Aug 1848   
burial 10 Aug 1848   
age 60      
wife of Alexander Fleming   
cause of death Fever   
OPR   OPR440-4   
Old Parochial Registers   

Christian HAY       
FLEM           
Markinch, Thorton         
7 Aug 1848       
10 Aug  1848   
60                   
wife of    Alexander Fleming     
 Fever       
OPR   OPR440-4

James OSTLER
Carnbee, Balcormo newton
death 14 Jun 1843
age 81
labourer
opr    opr413-4

James HOSTLER
ST Andrews
death 14 Jun 1843
burial 18 Jun 1843
age 86
opr   opr425-3

Janet LOUDEN
alias host:
Arncroach
10 Oct 1839
age 78
wife of James Hostler (labourer)
opr       opr413-4

 Helon FRASER      
Falkland,Newton of      
6 Jan 1849   
95               
OPR   OPR428   

Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: jac2 on Wednesday 17 September 08 13:24 BST (UK)
hi andy  :)
still checking yours be in touch soon
jacci :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ostler on Wednesday 17 September 08 13:53 BST (UK)
Thank you! ;D
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ostler on Wednesday 17 September 08 20:47 BST (UK)
Could you possibly find a James Grieve having died in Falkland, before 1849? After 1797.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: andy14 on Thursday 18 September 08 08:36 BST (UK)
jacci

take your time. I just apprechiate your help,
thanks again :)
andy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 18 September 08 16:21 BST (UK)
ostler, no sign of James on CD or MI's even with alternative spellings on Grieve.
Sorry,

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 18 September 08 16:23 BST (UK)
hold that thought - that was in Falkland - there are 19 James grieves elsewhere. do you have any other names to connect him too - or other places in area?

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ostler on Thursday 18 September 08 16:44 BST (UK)
Newton of Falkland, Strathmiglo and Auchtermuchty are really the only places nearby. The name Richardson might have some significance, but I'm not sure. If you can find a Richardson Grieve or a Richardson Clark, that might solve some other mystery of mine.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 18 September 08 17:33 BST (UK)
sorry no luck.

just in case they are helpful here are the 3 grieves in falkland:

Peter grieve, Falkland,Freuchie
bur 27/1/1794 age 79
old age & worn out!!   OPR 435-5

Isabell grieve  bur 5/7/2839 age 78  OPR 428

Isabel grieve  bur 27/2/1774  Kirk session CH2 428 -13

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ostler on Thursday 18 September 08 17:41 BST (UK)
How about a Mary Paton, single, died possibly in Logie? Or Falkland etc.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 18 September 08 18:19 BST (UK)
success!!

Mary Paton  Falkland  bur 28/1/1840 age 80  OPR 428

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ostler on Thursday 18 September 08 18:39 BST (UK)
Awesome, cheers. How about a James Clark, died after 1792 in Falkland? Probably before 1840.
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 19 September 08 16:29 BST (UK)
No james Clark in falkland - 47 james clark in fife. any name connections?

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ostler on Friday 19 September 08 16:33 BST (UK)
No nothing more specific than that unfortunately. Can I ask where you got the death index thing from?
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 21 September 08 08:51 BST (UK)
yopu can buy it online / by post:

google:   Fifefhs

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: andy14 on Sunday 21 September 08 21:55 BST (UK)
jac2

I hope you see this message :-[  Have just discovered an error earlier in the line. I don't think therefore that my ancestors made it over to fife afterall. I'm so sorry for asking you do look the info up. :-[ :-[ :-[

andy
p.s not as straight forward as I thought this family history lark
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: grada on Wednesday 24 September 08 21:47 BST (UK)
Hi Jac2,

Could you have look for the death of John Henderson and his wife Janet Allan,possibly died Auchterderran or Dysart.

Thanks Grada
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 25 September 08 13:19 BST (UK)
Grada  / Jacci

I replied to this request on the 'Henderson' thread on 16 September - post number 26.

little point in repeating.
Diddy  ::)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Sneff on Thursday 25 September 08 22:55 BST (UK)
Hi Jac and Diddy

Would you be able to help me with the following deaths-

Arthur Gourlay (Gourley) Born 1761 in Carnbee and his wife Margaret Bennet who married in Carnbee in 1791. They had at least four children in Carnbee between 1791-1802

Thomas Gourlay (Gourley) and his wife Margaret Webster. I haven't found their marriage but they had at least four children in Carnbee between 1761-1777.

Regards
Sneff
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 26 September 08 15:42 BST (UK)
Hi Sneff - 5 Gourlays in Carnbee:

Alexander Gourlay
bur.13/1/1786 OPR 413-2

Thomas Gourlay. Carnbee,Kellie Mills
d.30/11/1791 age 65  Smith

Ann Gourlay (Brown)  Carnbee, Cassingray
d.12/2/1824 age 83
wid. of Alexander

Barbara Gourlay, Carnbee, Kelly Toll
bur.29/9/1841 age 1  fever of teeth

Elspeth Gourlay  june 1752

also searched with name no place:

Arthur Gourlay.  Elie
bur 1/4/1830   smith  OPR 427 -3

Arthur Gourlay.  Elie
bur 18/6/1851

lots of Margt Gourlays (no place) but no links noted to arthur / Thomas / carnbee

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Sneff on Saturday 27 September 08 08:07 BST (UK)
Hi Diddy

Thanks for your quick reply.

Looks like the Thomas Gourlay who died at Carnbee and the two Arthurs who died at Elie are mine.

Thanks again
Sneff

Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ostler on Saturday 27 September 08 09:22 BST (UK)
jac/diddy

Could you try and find the following for me:

Agnes Terras, d.1834 in Ceres

Agnes Terras/Hay d. probably Ceres, aft 1808.

Andrew Terras d. probably Ceres, aft 1811

David Terras d. Oct? 1773 in Ceres

Also David's wife, Jean Youl d. aft 1766

David Terras b. 1765 in Ceres, d. aft 1798

Also his wife Elizabeth Swan b. 1767 d. aft 1798

Helen Terras b. 1766 d. 1766 in Ceres

Isabel Terras b. 1738 d. Apr? 1754

John Terras b. 1736 d. aft 1779 probably Ceres

Also his wife Cicily Webster d. Mar? 1797, Ceres

Katharine Terras b. 1760 d. 1841 in Cameron

Also her husband John Bain b. 1757 d. 1836 in Cameron

Margaret Terras b. 1735 d. Nov? 1740, Ceres

Robert Terras b. 1733 d. 1810 Ceres

And his wife Christian Hean b. 1733 d. 1815 Ceres

Robert Terras b. 1769 Ceres, d. aft 1817

Also his wife Christian Duff b. 1774 d. aft 1817

Thomas Terras b. 1763 Ceres, d. bef 1774

Thomas Terras b. 1705 Ceres, d. aft 1740

Also his wife Margaret Prett b. 1708 Cameron, d. aft 1740

Thomas Terras b. 1735, Coaltown of Craighall, d. Aug? 1735, Ceres

David Tarres b. Ceres or St Andrews, d. aft 1715

His wife Janet Swyne b. 1684, Ceres, d. bef 1702, Ceres

His second wife, Margaret Russell b. 1687 d. aft 1715

David Tarres b. ca. 1656 d. aft 1688

And his wife Margaret Wann d. aft 1688

A lot to go on. ;D

Just out of interest, if you could search the death index just for the surname Terras and let me know how many results you get, cheers. :)
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Saturday 27 September 08 11:02 BST (UK)
Ostler, whilst I work my way through that you may like to look at post no 80 by 'aanunn' on the thread:
NE fife MI's as I did a Terras search in Leuchars not very long ago.

Diddy
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Saturday 27 September 08 11:33 BST (UK)
OK - search for just Terras is 129.

looking for only names listed there are:

Agnes Terras, ceres, cassindilly
bur 29/3/1809        OPR 415-3

David Terras, ceres, muirhead
bur 11/10/1773      OPR 415-3

David Terras, ceres,ground of tarvit
bur 22/2/1763
s of David Terras     OPR 415-2

David Terras  ceres
bur 14/10/1795      OPR 415-3

David Terras  ceres, coaltown
bur 17/1/1813        OPR 415-3

Helen Terras  ceres, tarvitmill
bur 3/12/1766  chd
d of David Terras          OPR 415-3

Isabel terras cers, Ballfield
bur 7/4/1754    OPR 415-2

John Terras   ceres, Baldinnie Miln
bur 24/4/1807       OPR 415-3

Robert Terras  ceres, Coaltown
bur 17/3/1810     OPR 415-3

Robert Terras  ceres
bur 21/8/1825 age 56  fever  OPR 415

Thomas Terras  ceres, coaltown
bur 7/8/1735
s of Thomas Terras    OPR 415-2

Thomas terras  cers, coaltown
bur 14/7/1766  chd
s of Robert terras smallpox  OPR 415-3

Thomas Terras  ceres, ballfield
bur 15/9/1741    OPR 415-2

Thomas Terras  cers, tarvit Miln
bur 22/1/1763
S of david Terras

Thomas Terras  ceres
bur 23/9/1826  age 53  consumption  OPR 415

Diddy


Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Abiam2 on Saturday 27 September 08 12:06 BST (UK)
Hello Diddy,
What a great job you have been doing!

I have Robert Wilson born 1796 and his wife Margaret Keddie born 1799 in Kirkcaldy Fifeshire and Abbotshall Kirkcaldy Fifeshire.  1855 may be a little too early for them.

Their parents were
John Wilson and Janet Duncan
John Keddie and Anne Chapman both Abbotshall Kirkcaldy Fife

I f you have time could you see if you can find anything please,
Regards,
Abiam
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: diddymiller on Saturday 27 September 08 12:37 BST (UK)
Abiam - glad to help, thanks for that.

possibles in Abbotshall;

John Wilson
bur 23/4/1854 age 80
labourer   OPR 399-8

John Wilson
bur 19/5/1773

John Wilson 13/12/1798

found this by luck!!:

Ann Keddie Abbotshall, links
d.6/8/1856  bur 8/8/1856 age 61
w of Alexander Robertson
dau. of John Keddie & Ann Chapman  OPR 399-8

looked in Keddies - Abbotshall and found:

Mrs Keddie
bur 25/3/1837
w of John Keddie   OPR 399

Kirkcaldy:
Robert Wilson
d.5/6/1837 age 40  (would fit birth)
Cartwright
Lair CH2 -636-28 &30

Diddy



Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: ostler on Saturday 27 September 08 12:57 BST (UK)
Thanks, diddy!
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Abiam2 on Saturday 27 September 08 14:26 BST (UK)
Thank you very much Diddy. 
Much appreciated,
Regards,
Abiam
Title: Re: FIFE Death Index pre 1855
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Saturday 27 September 08 20:35 BST (UK)
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