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Title: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 12:59 BST (UK)
I am trying to research part of my tree, the surname Howsego/Housego but I am having a complete nightmare!

I know one half of my tree were Romanys, the Buckley family (decending from Joe Buckley) and they married Howsegos, so I am wondering if they too were a travelling family.

So far all I have managed to find is my great grandad George Howsego born in West Ham in 1903, along with his 2 brothers, Arthur born in 1900 and William John born in 1901.  Their parents were William Frederick (sometimes listed the other way around) and Emily (nee Morris).

I have Georges birth, marriage and death certificate.  His parents marriage certificate and a death certificate for William Frederick.  I have a marriage certificate for William John, he married Lylie Butcher in 1925 in West Ham.

After this I am at a complete dead end!! I cannot find any information whatsoever on Arthur apart from his birth certificate, and have no information for their mum or any more siblings.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 13:04 BST (UK)
Hi there,

Are you trying to find info going forwards (Arthurs marr/death etc) or backwards William Frederick and Emily on censuses and their parents?

If you want to go backwards can you give all the details on Wm Fred and Emily's marriage certificate (ages, fathers, places dates etc) Then we should be able to locate them on the 1901 census and further back.

Legs
xxxx
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: casalguidi on Thursday 12 June 08 13:11 BST (UK)
Hi

Have you traced a burial for William Frederick to see if his wife was buried with him and to see whether there is any useful information on any surviving headstone?   Also, any obituary in a local newsaper might mention relatives.

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 13:21 BST (UK)
Hi
Thanks for the reply, I am happy to go anyway i can, as long as I can find some information  ;)

The marriage was registered Frederick William Howsego to Emily Morris on 25 December 1898, her father was David Morris, his was George Howsego.

Thank you
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 13:23 BST (UK)
No Casalguidi i hadnt thought of that actually, but then im not too sure where he was buried, would that make a difference do you think?

thanks
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 13:34 BST (UK)
Cool,

How old were they when they married?  I have had a quick look on the 1901 census and cannot find them, will look further back now

xxx
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 13:38 BST (UK)
Also where did they marry and where was Arthur born please?
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 13:46 BST (UK)
He was 25 and she was 18.

It just says the Parish Church, West Ham.

Arthur was born at 17 Granville Road, West Ham and William John was born at 9 Granville Road.  George was born at St Johns Road West Ham.  I know they also lived in Agate Street and Fife Road

Thanks for this
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 13:48 BST (UK)
Thank you, hopefully I can narrow down the searches now and find them on a census!
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 13:55 BST (UK)
Hi,

I think this must be Emily on the 1891

10 Forty Acre Lane, West Ham
David Morris, head, 50, Doc's labourer, born Sawbridgeworth
Elizabeth Morris, wife, 41, born Wadham
William Morris, son, 15, Errand boy port, born West Ham
David Morris, son, 12, scholar, born West Ham
Emily Morris, dau, 10, scholar, born West Ham
Albert Morris, son, 8, scholar, born West Ham
Arthur Morris, son, 6, scholar, born West Ham
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 13:57 BST (UK)
Excellent, that seems like it definitely could be, plus she has a brother called Arthur, i know its a common name back then, but they seem to have a habit of reusing names through the family

thanks a lot!! :)
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 14:05 BST (UK)
This is the same family in 1881

36 Vincent Street, West Ham
David Morris, head, 39, labourer, born Sawbridgeworth, Herts
Elizabeth Morris, wife, 34, born Great Wadham, Herts
William Morris, son, 5, scholar, born Caning Town
David Morris, son, 2, born Canning Town
Emily Morris, dau, 6 months, born Canning Town

This is the only family I can find with daughter Emily born c 1880 and father David which corresponds to the marriage certificate you have.  What does the marr cert say for David's occupation?

Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 14:07 BST (UK)
David Morris married Elizabeth Rowley in the district of Bishop Stortford, December 1/4 1869, vol 3a pg 340
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: toni* on Thursday 12 June 08 14:11 BST (UK)
George Howsego

1901 census
RG13;  1653;  140;  32

1871
 RG10;  1127;  68; 9


1861
 RG9;  640; 128; : 26

1851
HO107;  1655; 195;  23

1841
HO107; 1104;  2; : 10;  13;
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 14:11 BST (UK)
I cant get hold of my dad, ive left all my stuff at my parents house, im sure it says dock labourer, that definitely rings a bell somewhere!

thank you
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 14:14 BST (UK)
Frederick William Howsego is a bit tricky, I can't find a birth for him or an appearance on any census...

There is a Frederick Housego with dad George born 1869 in Norfolk on the 1881 census, birth is a little earlier than I'd have wanted but he could have been lenient with the truth on his marriage cert, do you want the details?
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 14:15 BST (UK)
Toni, does that George have a son called Frederick?
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 14:16 BST (UK)
Yes please that would be great, i know what you mean about the ages, most of the certificates i have for my Buckley family they always lie about their ages!

Thank you so much for this i massively appreciate it!!
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 14:23 BST (UK)
1881

Lundy Green, Hempnall, Norfolk

George Housego, head, 50, Ag Lab
Mary Housego, wife, 50
Edgar Housego, son, 21, Ag Lab
Rebecca Housego, dau, 16
Frederic Housego, son, 12
Mary Housego, dau, , 7, scholar

All born Hempnall excpet Mary (wife) who was born in Heckingham
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 14:25 BST (UK)
Hmmmmm I don't think the Norfolk Frederick is yours, his birth record doesn't have the William middle name, however that may have been added at a later date....

There is a  1875 birth for a Frederick William Housego in Mile End though.... but I can't see him on any census
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: CatOne on Thursday 12 June 08 14:29 BST (UK)
Don't know whether these Howsegos will tie in with yours but love the last child's name!  Obviously had a a sense of humour ;D (think it should be Arthur, as, in 1852, theres a death registration for an Arthur Howsego in Westbourne)


William Howsego 47 Farm Lab All born Westbourne Sussex
Emilly 47
Fredrick 18 Farm Lab
George 16 Farm Lab
Ann 12 Scholar
Ellan 10 Scholar
Eliza 8 Scholar
Caroline 5 Scholar
Another 2

HO107/1655 Folio 195 Page 23
Westbourne Sussex
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 14:30 BST (UK)
That one sounds quite good doesnt it because that would match the age a bit nearer for his marriage
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 14:36 BST (UK)
Back to the Morris side,

Here is David and Elizabeth in 1871

David Morris, head, 28, coachman domestic, born Sawbridgeworth, Herts
Elizabeth Morris, wife, 32, born Silsoe, Beds
Frank Morris, son, 5, born Grovernor Sei, London
Alice Morris, dau, born Pluckley, Kent
Emily Elizabeth Morris, dau, 1, born Silsoe, Beds
Annie Morris, dau, under 1 month, born Debden, Essex

Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 14:40 BST (UK)
And David Morris in 1861 with his ma and pa

Rook End, Sawbridgeworth

Abel Morris, head, 60, Ag Lab
Mary Morris, wife, 56,
David Morris, son, 19, Ag Lab
Margaret Morris, dau, 13, scholar

All born Sawbridgeworth
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 14:42 BST (UK)
This is excellent.

I have just found William Frederick's (Frederick William) - what a nightmare! grave.  He is buried in a public grave in Manor Park cemetary, East London, He was buried on 17 Dec 1923.  But because it is a public grave, unless he died at the same time as someone else in the family, they wont be together, how sad  :(
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 14:48 BST (UK)
Awww that's sad, but at least you know where he rests.

Here is David and co. in 1851...

Rook End, Sawbridgeworth

Stephen Morris, head, 80, widow, Ag Lab
Abel Morris, lodger, 50, married, Ag Lab
Mary Morris, wife, 46, married
Joseph Morris, son, 21, Ag Lab
Thomas Morris, son, 16, Ag Lab
Hannah Morris, dau, 12, Scholar
David Morris, son, 8, Scholar
Julia Morris, dau, 6
Margaret Morris, dau, 2
John Fish, lodger, 22, Ag Lab
Harriot Fish, wife, 16

All born Sawbridgeworth
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 14:50 BST (UK)
Blimey im totally speechless, i feel really thick now, i never seem to find anything!!

Im doing the Howsego side for my great uncle, his the only Howsego left in our family now, i'll be ringing him tonight with all of this info, he will be so pleased!!

Thank you so so much!!!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 14:55 BST (UK)
1841...

Tharbys End, Sawbridgeworth

Stephen Morris, 70, Ag lab
Abel Morris, 35, Ag Lab
Joseph Morris, 10
Thomas Morris, 5
William Morris, 15
Mary Morris, 35
Jane Morris, 15
Harriet Morris, 5
Hannah Morris, 2

All born in Herts
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 15:06 BST (UK)
And there was me thinking that finding a David Morris was going to be hard, obviously not!!  :o
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 15:07 BST (UK)
I think this is David Morris' wife and family in 1851 (this is the only Elizabeth I can find born in Herts at approx the right time)

Green Something ??? Cottage, Great Hadham
George Rowley, head, 34, Ag Lab
Harriet Rowley, wife, 35
Mary Rowley, dau, 14
George Rowley, son, 8
Emily Rowley, dau, 6
Elizabeth Rowley, dau, 4
Jane Rowley, dau, 2
Eliza Rowley, dau, 1 month

All born in Great Hadham except Harriet (wife) who was born in Sawbridgeworth

I think on later censuses after Elizabeth married David her birth place should be Hadham not Wadham, H and W can be easily confused in old handwriting

Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 12 June 08 15:16 BST (UK)
 :P missed a page
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 15:21 BST (UK)
This is the Rowley family in 1861, Elizabeth isn't at home though, perhaps she is living away as a servant, not that I can find her! ;)

Great Hadham
Harriet Rowley, head, wid, 48, born Sawbridgeworth
George Rowley, son, 18, Ag Lab
Jane Rowley, dau, 12, scholar
Eliza Rowley, dau, 10, scholar
Anne Rowley, dau, 7, scholar
Mary Wybrew, sister, wid, 60, born Sawbridgeworth

Kids all born Great Hadham
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: deb usa on Thursday 12 June 08 15:23 BST (UK)
Hi Guys

Hope you don't mind me butting in ...

this may be William frederick Housego in 1881

Brighton
20 North garden
George HOUZEGO head 31 hackney carriage driver
Elizabeth wife 32
George A son 7
Henry J son 5
WILLIAM F son 3
Elizabeth L dau 9m
Thomas Fox boarder

all the Houzegos born Sussex Brighton

will search further

deb :D
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 15:25 BST (UK)
Ohhh Deb, what an interesting spelling, I'd not thought of that....  I great possible though

birth in Brighton,

George Houzego, June 1/4 1874
William Houzego, September 1/4 1878
Elizabeth Leggatt Houzego, June 1872 (too early for the Eliz on census)
no sign of Henry
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 15:28 BST (UK)
Ohh yeah, thats a spelling i have never seen, great result!

Even the people in my family werent too sure how to spell it i dont think, because on Arthurs birth certificate they have registered him Howsego, but Emily has signed Housego!
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 15:29 BST (UK)
George Ares Houzego or Houzegoo married either Elizabeth Long or Charlotte Cousins in East Preston in September 1/4 1871
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: deb usa on Thursday 12 June 08 15:33 BST (UK)
Hi  ;D

it looks like elizabeth the wife has died by 1891.

1891 brighton
11 Charles st
George HOUZAGO head mar 41 cab driver/groom
sarah A wife 30 b Kenilworth warwick
George A son 17 grocer ass
Henry son 15         "
WILLIAM son 12 scholar
ethel L dau 2 ...maybe new wife';s child
Frederick Richardson lodger

deb  ;D
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 15:36 BST (UK)
March 1887

George Houzego married Sarah Ann Pittaway or Alice Amelia Prince in Brighton

Elizabeth Houzego died aged 34 in Brighton in December 1882
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 15:38 BST (UK)
Ethel Louisa Houzego born Steyning, September 1888
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 15:39 BST (UK)
George Houzego born Brighton, June 1850
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 12 June 08 15:41 BST (UK)
Not a sign of Fred Willm or vice versa and his missus Emily in 1901 West Ham - strange, should have young Arthur with them ....  ???
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 15:44 BST (UK)
I couldn't find them either Newfster, neither can I find George Houzego/Housego/Howsego/Houzago on the 1861 or 1851 censuses
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 15:45 BST (UK)
Thats the thing that i am finding so strange!! where'd they go!! maybe on the next census out in 2012 i will have more luck?
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: deb usa on Thursday 12 June 08 15:47 BST (UK)
Hi

in 1871

there is a George housego with family ...they are all harness makers which ties in nicely with the carriage driver ...

George Housego b c 1849 b states POB as Surrey,  :-\

deb
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 15:51 BST (UK)
Ethel L Houzego married Frederick Stevens in Brighton in September 1915

Harry Houzego (poss Henry) married either Ada E Bridger or Elsie B Manning in Brighton in March 1911
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 12 June 08 15:52 BST (UK)
Chap in my bike club is a Housego - I think he tracked back to Paddington mid 1800s, cant remember where they 'appeared from'
....

 :)
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: deb usa on Thursday 12 June 08 16:00 BST (UK)
Hi

1901
11 Charles st, Brighton
GEORGE HONZEGO head 51 cab driver/groom
sarah Ann wife 40
ethel L dau 12
Violet Annie dau 7
John Albert son 1

deb ...still looking for William frederick in 1901
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 16:01 BST (UK)
i really appreciate everyones help, thank you for helping me out so much
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 16:05 BST (UK)
Violet A Houzego married Percival V Heasman in Peacehaven in June 1/4 1916

John Albert Houzego born June 1/4 1899 in Brighton

Can't see a birth for Vi or a marr for John
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 12 June 08 16:06 BST (UK)
I trawled back and cant find an answwr ...


Quote
George HOUZEGO head 31 hackney carriage driver


is this the correct occupation for Fred Wm's father - from the Marriage Cert ?
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 16:08 BST (UK)
George Houzego died in Brighton aged 58 in December 1/4 1908

And

Sarah A Houzego died in Brighton aged 55 in June 1/4 1916
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: deb usa on Thursday 12 June 08 16:22 BST (UK)
from National Archives ...could this be William Frederick's brother??

HOUZEGO COR/3/2/1934/22George Arthur of 3 Wellington Place, Brighton, taxi cab owner and driver; 59; found to be dead on admission to the Royal Sussex County Hospital; strychnine poisoning self-administered by drinking a solution containing Battle's Vermin Killer whilst of unsound  mind; suicide; 1 Mar and by adjournment on 14 Mar 1934
 Date: 1934.

deb
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 16:23 BST (UK)
Blimey, what great scandal!  His age certianly ties in with Wm Fred's brother George
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 16:24 BST (UK)
Oh how horrible!! suicide

Just managed to get hold of my dad who has checked William Frederick and Emilys marriage certificate and both of their dads were listed as labourers.

Strange coinicidence here, that George Arthur that Deb just found was living at 3 Wellington Place, Brighton, well George Howsego Jnr was living at Wellington Place West Ham when he had my nan in 1926.
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: deb usa on Thursday 12 June 08 16:27 BST (UK)
do you think we have the wrong family?  ag lab is nothing near a cab driver  :-\ :-X

another bit in NA

Online Document WO 372/10Medal Card of Houzego George A Army Service Corps M/36403 Private Army Service Corps M/36403 Acting Corporal . Medal Card of Houzego George A Army Service Corps M/36403 Private Army Service Corps M/36403 Acting Corporal Date range: 1914 - 1920.
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 12 June 08 16:28 BST (UK)
well, given Fred W was aged 25 in 1898 AND this occupation of his Father - its not looking good !


If only the family would reveal themselves in 1901 - we'd hopefully get a PoB .....
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 16:34 BST (UK)
Could they have possibly been in Scotland or Wales (or further afield) in 1901?

I do find the 1901 most annoying as a lot of mine don't seem to be on it...
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 12 June 08 16:34 BST (UK)
anybody bumped into this chap during the census searching ?

Births Dec 1875  
 
Housego  Frederick William     Mile End  Vol 1c P 535
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 12 June 08 16:38 BST (UK)
Nope, looks like his Dad is a Thomas - a Builder ...


RG11; Piece: 482; Folio: 88; Page: 34
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 16:46 BST (UK)
I did see him Newfster and discounted him

I think the middle names were added at baptism or later as no many of the kids have been registered with a middle name

The 1901 is ANNOYING me!
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: toni* on Thursday 12 June 08 16:48 BST (UK)
George Howsego

1901 census
RG13;  1653;  140;  32

1871
 RG10;  1127;  68; 9


1861
 RG9;  640; 128; : 26

1851
HO107;  1655; 195;  23

1841
HO107; 1104;  2; : 10;  13;


do you need these transcribed?
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: deb usa on Thursday 12 June 08 17:07 BST (UK)
He was 25 and she was 18.

It just says the Parish Church, West Ham.

Arthur was born at 17 Granville Road, West Ham and William John was born at 9 Granville Road.  George was born at St Johns Road West Ham.  I know they also lived in Agate Street and Fife Road

Thanks for this

where would we find Granville road?

deb
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: deb usa on Thursday 12 June 08 17:08 BST (UK)
Hi  Toni  :)

that would be great ...but where is that family in 1881 and 1891?

deb
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: alllegs on Thursday 12 June 08 17:11 BST (UK)
What was Fred's occupation on his marriage certificate to Emily please?
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 17:15 BST (UK)
Granville Road was in Canning Town, just off of Forty Acre Lane
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: deb usa on Thursday 12 June 08 17:17 BST (UK)
Have been scrolling through Canning Town ...cannot find that street in 1901  :-\
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 17:18 BST (UK)
I have it on a old Canning Town map if you need to see the area?
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 17:24 BST (UK)
I know on his death certificate it says Gas worker, i will double check the marriage tonight, my dads having a bit of a nightmare trying to read all that dodgy writing on the certificates bless him :)
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 12 June 08 17:52 BST (UK)
I am going home from work now, but will look up some more details tonight!

thank you so much for everyone that has helped me today!!  :-*
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: toni* on Thursday 12 June 08 17:55 BST (UK)
1901 census
RG13;  1653;  140;  32
Canning Barking Town
George Howsego 35 (or 36) Bricklayers Labourer b. Sussex
Lucy wife 24 b. London
Jessie dau 4 b. Essex Barking
Nellie 3 months b. do.


1871
 RG10;  1127;  68; 9
Portsmouth - 11 Trafalgar Street
Geo Howsego 30 Labourer D of b. Sussex
Mary 25 wife od do. b. Exmouth Devon
Geo. son 5 scholar b. Emsworth Hants
Edw. son b. 3 do. b. Torquay ddevon
Jno 1 b. Havant hants

1861
 RG9;  640; 128; : 26
36 Chanders St Portsmouth
William Howsego 35 (or 36) rigger b. sussex westbourne
Mary H wife 36 b. do.
Frances 12 dau. scholar b. do.
William son 9 do. b. do.
George 7 son b, do
Eily 2 b. Portsmouth Hants
Arthur 11 months? b. do.
Jeremiah Bonstead father in law widow 69 wood sawyer b. sussex westbourne

1851
HO107;  1655; 195;  23
int he village - westbourne
William Howsego head mar 47 farm labourer b. westbourne (all b. Westbourne)
Emilly wife 47
Frederick son 18 farm labourer
george 16 do.
Ann dau. 17 - or 12 scholar
Ellen 10 do.
Eliza 8 do.
Caroline 5 do,
Another son 2

1841
HO107; 1104;  2; : 10;  13;
Westbourne Village
all born in county
William 35 ag lab
emely 35
emely 10
frederick 9
george 7
ann 3
eliza 10 months

Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: deb usa on Thursday 12 June 08 20:39 BST (UK)
Hi

have been going through the enumeration districts ...found Glanville rd in district 34....

1901
17 Glanville rd;
Elizabeth MORRIS mar 52 b Herts
Albert son 18
arthur son 16
William Marner boarder?

so maybe Emily went home to mum to have her children.

can't see william F or Emily and Arthur ...will check again

deb
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: deb usa on Thursday 12 June 08 21:01 BST (UK)
What number at St johns rd was George (1903) born?

deb
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Friday 13 June 08 09:09 BST (UK)
He was born at no. 10 st johns rd

thank you
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: toni* on Friday 13 June 08 09:30 BST (UK)
so are the Sussex Housego's (& variants) connected?
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: toni* on Friday 13 June 08 09:34 BST (UK)
have you searched male (female) Housego births?
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: toni* on Friday 13 June 08 09:35 BST (UK)
HOUSEGO Male       Godstone.2a   160   2   1869                 
   
HOUSEGO Male       Pancras.1b   163   3   1881                 
   
HOUSEGO Male    Lester   Kensington.1a   201   4   1919                 
   
HOUSEGO Male    Lester   Kensington.1a   202   4   1919   
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Friday 13 June 08 09:39 BST (UK)
No i hadnt thought of that, where did you find those two?

Im not too sure if the sussex ones are related or not, im going to have to go through them all and see if i can match up any ages etc to the few that i have
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: toni* on Friday 13 June 08 09:49 BST (UK)
Hi

just for a reminder (for me) can you list the few Housegos that you have again
please
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: toni* on Friday 13 June 08 10:00 BST (UK)
 great grandad George Howsego born in West Ham in 1903,  brother, Arthur born in 1900
brother, William John born in 1901. 

Their parents were William Frederick (sometimes listed the other way around) and Emily (nee Morris).

Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Friday 13 June 08 10:02 BST (UK)
Yes thats all i have.

I know William Frederick died in 1923 and he married Emily in 1898.

William John married a Lylie Butcher in 1925 and had a daughter Lylie Howsego in 1926.
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Tricia_2 on Friday 13 June 08 10:07 BST (UK)
Just wondered if you had seen this:
http://www.cousinconnect.com/p/a/0/s/HOUSEGO
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: toni* on Friday 13 June 08 10:15 BST (UK)
how old was William when he died?
and what was it registered under?
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Friday 13 June 08 10:16 BST (UK)
He was 49 years old when he died, it was registered at West Ham, he died in Durban Road.  He is buried in Manor Park Cemetery
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Friday 13 June 08 10:59 BST (UK)
I have just found that Lylie Howsego Jr died in 1929, when she was 2 years old.
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Gelert on Sunday 18 October 09 22:46 BST (UK)
I know this is an old posting. Some of the people on "Toni's" information, reply 69. are my ancestors. George and also William are common names in the Howsego (of Westbourne/ Portsmouth area) I have plenty of information regarding them.
Howsego/Housego surname is mostly originating from Norfolk/Suffolk areas and I have found no connection in my research to earlier Housego family in London. As far as I am aware there is no Romany connection to the Howsego surname, most were ag. labs.
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Gelert on Monday 19 October 09 17:45 BST (UK)
Sorry, I forgot to add the Howzego/ Howsiego etc of Brighton and the area are all members of the Westbourne family. We are so used to being able to read & write that we forget that many ordinary people were still illiterate. They gave their information verbally to the Parish Clerk and had to accept their name written as whatever he wrote down.    Hope you strike lucky.
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Gelert on Thursday 22 October 09 11:15 BST (UK)
Have you looked on the 1911 Census? It is online. There are a lot of Housego names for the West Ham area.
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Gelert on Thursday 22 October 09 20:34 BST (UK)
Hello, Has anyone already given you this information?
Birth Registration December Quarter 1875,
Housego- Frederick William,   Registered at Mile End,  1c 535.
If that is the one it will give the mother's maiden name and address where born,and assuming it IS George  for the father, his occupation.
There is also a Deaths Registration December Quarter 1920 for a George Housego aged 62, Registered at Poplar 1c 444. Is there a connection to the Westbourne Sussex family?

I have in my Sussex Howsego/Housego tree a George Housego, baptized on
1st February 1857, at Westbourne, son of Frederic & Ann.
Frederic Howsego married Ann Rogers on 5th July 1856 at Racton, Sussex.
This Frederic Howsego was the 5th of 12* children of William and Emily Howsego,
baptized on 5th August 1832 at Westbourne. (* I am decended from their eldest child also called William)  William Housego married Emily Steele on 25th December 1823, at Westbourne. William Howsego baptized 19th August 1804 at Westbourne, son of John Howsego and Ann(nee Horner)   You can see some of the variations in the name even in the same parish register.
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: J.J. on Friday 23 October 09 03:18 BST (UK)
some earlier spellings if you or anyone else gets back this far...

Sessions of the Peace and Gaol Delivery, on 3 and 4 December, 14 James I [A.D. 1616.] 
1616  Respited for better enquiry:—
William Housigoe and John Mathewes; delivered by proclamation.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=82414&strquery=Housigoe

Sessions of the Peace and Gaol Delivery, on 2 and 3September, 15 James I [A.D. 1617]....
Richard Fitter of Stepney, victualler, and John Elliott of the same, ship-carpenter, for James Howetson [Huestson] of the same to answer William Housigoe [Howsego] of Limehouse for treason; and of the said William to prefer a bill of indictment against the said James "for trayterous words against his Made, which hee chargeth the sayd Howeston to have spoken".
The said James found no true bill and to be bound over by order of the Court for good behaviour.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=82422

1620.—Jerome Alexander enfeoffs "John Howsigoe" of one piece of land and pasture called Moyses Yarde, with bakehouse thereupon, at the east end of donor's capital messuage in North Elmeham, next "the common pasture of North Elmeham," called the Broome. Signed and sealed.—No. 695, I.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=67167

Housgoe, Thomas, 119. R. of Brightling, Sussex, to whom Jos. Bennet
 (q.v.ord. asst. May 1651. Name apparently not A.C. or A.O., nor in
P.R. Brightling. Bennet, supra, appears to have succeeded to rectory
in 1658. Might be the Thos.
Howsigoe, d. 1660, of Staplehurst, Kent, a Quaker, who pubd.
 "A Word from the North, Aug. 1657 (for whom cf. Geo. Fox, Journal,
ed. N. Penney, i, 429), who had been an Independent preacher.
http://www.british-genealogy.com/acdb/docs/ndx8116.pdf
also http://www.hallvworthington.com/wjournal/gfjournal4.html

Details    Howsigoe, John, Weybourne, N.    1639-1640    DN/INV 45/290
http://tinyurl.com/yjzmtyu

Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: J.J. on Friday 23 October 09 04:07 BST (UK)
Earlier IGI christenings with some different spellings...Note that the IGI isn't pulling in all spellings so try variations

Joane Howsigo - Dec. 14, 1557   North Walsham, Norfolk /  No parents listed
Helyn H Howsigo - May 1, 1560   North Walsham, Norfolk / No parents listed
Margaret Howsigo - July 15, 1565   North Walsham / parents H. Howsigo  & Dor
Johes Howsigoe - Aug. 26, 1572   North Walsham, Norfolk / Father Henrici Howsigoe
Henricus Howsigoe - Mar. 3,  1576   North Walsham, Norfolk / Father H. Howsigoe
Batch #C046621     

Luce and a Sara Howesecoe -Field Dalling, Norfolk, England father:  Andrew
Mary Howesecoe - Field Dalling, Norfolk, England / Father:  Richard
Batch # C044961
 
Oh there are more spellings...HOWSAGOO,  HOWSEGOO, HOWSYGO , HOWSOYGOE, HOUSEGOE, HOUSAGOE, HOUSSEGOE, HOUSEGOW, HOWSHEGOO, HOWZIGO, HOWZEGO, HOUZEGO, HOUZEGO, HOWZEGO    and I am sure there are still several more
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: houzecarl on Sunday 23 May 10 12:13 BST (UK)
the howzego, housego, howsego and related names were i think decended from the danish settlers called housecarls(housegos) the danish settlement placings sussex woods and norfolk suggest that a link is very likely .the house carls were said to be king alfreds elite foot soldiers they were strong and uncomprimising men  who were always ready for war and lived off the land ,ill try and research some more to try and prove a link but sound alike names often have a match further back and for very basic reasons ,the further back in research you may go , then no doubt other variations to the name will appear 
Title: Re: - Howsego/Housego
Post by: poppygale1 on Tuesday 02 November 10 17:58 GMT (UK)
Interesting. Have you had any further luck with the Housego name.
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 02 November 10 19:06 GMT (UK)
Hello poppygale1 & houzecarl...welcome to rootschat...

The threadowner babygirlbill may not be getting notified, I'll private message to let them know you have entered a reply. You can use the private message system once you have posted a few times. ( green scroll under their username or avatar ...even hit the username, or the baby face...all will get you there) In the meantime, there are many other boards in which to place an inquiry, or just simply post...
If you want to look for a surname, just go up to search and put it in the blank along with a keyword or alone...
There is also a beginners area here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,47.0.html
Have fun!   J.J.
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: poppygale1 on Friday 05 November 10 16:33 GMT (UK)
Maybe you have completed our research for the Housegos?  Your George Housego born 1903 was my 1st cousin 1x removed and William Frederick or other way around was married to Emily Morris, his parents were Thomas Housego 1849/1893 married to Annie Rebecca Byatt 1853/1934 they were my great grandparents. 
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: Howsego on Thursday 05 January 12 14:33 GMT (UK)
hi ya i am part of the howsego family all born in west ham/forest gate my grandfather was alfred w howsego and he was born in 1931 i am also trying to locate all my relatives but i cant seem to get any where lol
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: TomRees on Thursday 05 January 12 14:38 GMT (UK)
From the FreeBMD Index, Alfred -J- Howsego's mother's maiden name was Butcher.

Have you got back as far as finding his parents marriage?

The name has many spelling variants ... just looking at West Ham Marriages in the 1920s onwards we see:-

Howgego, Housego, Howego !


this must be it:-

Marriages Dec Quarter of 1925   
~~~~~~~~
 
Butcher  Lylie  to Howsego  W.Ham  4a 644   
Cuthill  Ewen C  Downing  W.Ham  4a 644   
Downing  Doris L  Cuthill  W.Ham  4a 644   
Howsego  William  to Butcher  W.Ham  4a 644   
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 05 January 12 14:55 GMT (UK)
I  contacted the poster earlier and again today in case that p.m. wasn't received. Welcome to rootschat... Don't forget, everyone, that middle names can be used which is often more confusing than looking for an unusual surname.
 :D Be thankful it isn't Smith...  as we are in "travelling people", by the by, don't be afraid to look further afield. Searching in Canada we often find descendants have traveled to either coast on horseback and wagon. This would span the length of the U.K. and back, the width several times. Many of these early pioneers came from British stock...So remember some people just don't let distance be a factor in where they want to work or live.  J.J.
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 05 January 12 15:08 GMT (UK)
Hello All

Thank you for your replies, I hadn't received them previously - sorry for the delay.

Poppygale I will private message you.

and J.J thank you for pointing out the posts.  I know how you feel looking up people from a travelling community - the other half of my family are Romany, so can be quite fun trying to hunt them down!
Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 05 January 12 15:57 GMT (UK)
Weird that you would not get notification and not get a p.m. Must have been a major !!!BLOING!!! on the server!
Just in case there are some new variation on the surname here a FreeBMD search with House*o gets you...Housiego, Houseego, many Houseago, Housigo, Housego,  Houseago, Housago, several  Housefo, Housagoo, House_o, House*o, HOUSE*O  M__d, Housengo,
housg* gets Housgoe, Housgo
Howseg* gets Howsege
and with the long tail used on the "z" how*o - can get Howgego, Howjego,  Howdego, Howseyo,  How_go, Howzego, Howgego, Howgo, Howzigo, Howggego, How*o, Howg[e_]go, Howgego, Howgeco, Howxego, and my fave Howergoo
other oddballs Hawsego and not sure if yours Hawkrigo
There are likely tons more depending on where you put the asterix...such as hou*go - Hou*go etc.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Title: Re: Having a nightmare - Howsego/Housego
Post by: babygirlbill on Thursday 05 January 12 15:59 GMT (UK)
Thank you, i will have a look on there!