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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: millybobs on Tuesday 10 June 08 16:20 BST (UK)
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Hi
Just joined Rootschat and wondered if anyone else is researching the RISI family from Cassino (Frosinone / Lazio) Italy? My branch came to UK in 1880s and lived in Glasgow, London, Leeds and Bradford before settling in Hull. I believe the parents Lorenzo RISI and Geltruda (nee FUSCO) moved to Newcastle upon Tyne in the 1910s and both died there.
Paul
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Hi Paul,
Welcome to Rootschat :)
The first question that usually arise for Immigrants, is "were they naturalised ??
See Topic: RootsChat Topics - Naturalisation and Internment
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,157691.0.html
for various topics about what you might find on nat. papers at the TNA, and links for how to find them.
I had a quick look at the TNA (The National Archives) site and found:
Risi, Pasquale Anthony, from Italy. Resident in Kingston-upon-Hull. 1908
Risi, Vincenzo (known as Vincent Risi), from Italy. Resident in Kingston-upon-Hull. 1919
Risi, Angelo, from Italy. Resident in Wolverhampton. 1929
Risi, Antonio, from Italy. Resident in Wolverhampton. 1930
Risi, Vincenzo, from Italy. Resident in Reading. 1931.
Could any of these be the children of your Lorenzo and Geltruda ??
Or could the first two be brothers or cousins. Many immigrants tended to "flock together" in the new country.
good luck,
Bob
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Hi Bob
Thanks for the reply. Vincenzo (Hull) was my grandfather and Pasquale his brother, both sons of Lorenzo and Geltrude. Both were naturalised and I have copies of the naturalisation papers from TNA. I don't know if there is any connection with the other 3 Risis who were naturalised as their naturalisation papers, I understand, are still classed as 'closed documents' because of their relative recency.
I have found Lorenzo and his family on censuses for 1881 (Glasgow), 1891 (Hull) and 1901 (Bradford) though confusingly in 1891 his wife is named as 'Restituta'. I have found the births in UK BMDs of six children and according to the naturalisation papers Pasquale was born in Cassino and Vincenzo in S Elia Fiumerapido, a nearby village. I have found Lorenzo's and Vincenzo's birth records on LDS film.
I believe Geltrude and Lorenzo died in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1919 and 1927 respectively. I know there were other Risis from Cassino in Newcastle (and still are) and I am sure they were related, but I have been unable to find a definate link.
I have also found a first cousin of Lorenzo - Guiseppe - who married Nicolina Tomasso in 1884 in Leeds. They later moved to Holborn then Isleworth. But I seem to be stuck with the Newcastle 'connection'.
Paul
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Hi,
I found this on the CWGC website:-
In Memory of
Driver BENEDETTO RISI
217075, "B" Bty. 186th Bde., Royal Field Artillery
who died age 20
on 09 April 1918
Son of Angelo and Francesco Risi, of 16, Little Brick Kiln, Wolverhampton.
Remembered with honour
ADELAIDE CEMETERY, VILLERS-BRETONNEUX
AND
2 medal rolls listed:-
Risi, Benedetto
Corps: Royal Field Artillery
Regiment No: 217075
Rank: Driver
Risi, Anthony
Corps: South Staffordshire Regiment
Regiment No: 31510
Rank: Corporal
Regards,
Darin, Newcastle-upon-Tyne.
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Hi Darin
Many thanks for the information. Not sure if the Wolverhampton Risis are connected but you never know where this kind of info an lead, so thanks again.
I've just found out that there was business in Newcastle under the name of A Risi & Sons, ice cream dealer, at 155 Conyers Road, listed in Ward's Directory (1910), and listed as a confectioner at 14 Brinkburn Street and at 6 Shields Road in Ward's (1916). The same directory also shows the company as an ice cream dealer at 119 Byker Bank. In 1953 (telephone directory) Risi's Ices were at Grainger Market and 4 Shields Road.
When my great grandmother Geltrude died in 1919 and when my great grandfather Lorenzo died in 1927, their address was given as 63 Byker Bank. The informant for Lorenzo was his son, J(?oseph = Guiseppe) Risi of 119 Byker Bank. So there is certainly a connection.
Regards
Paul
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Hi again
Just found the following link http://http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2008/05/08/risis_ices_feature.shtml on the BBC website.
It seems the business in Newcastle was set up by Antonio Risi but that was in 1898, so this may not be the same as the Wolverhampton Antonio.
I will contact the current owner of the business which is still there in Newcastle and hope for some answers!
Paul
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Sorry
Not sure how to insert the link. Is this right?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2008/05/08/risis_ices_feature.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2008/05/08/risis_ices_feature.shtml)
Paul
Moderator Comment: URL edited (slightly) to act as link :)
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You probably would like to join this topic: Ice cream sellers and street musicians
;D No Risi additions here, as yet, so yours will be the first... J.J.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,224402.0.html
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Hi. My great great grandmother was Restituta and great great grandad Lorenzo Risi.
Im from Newcastle and can safely say I am from the same family. Their daughter Maria (Mary ) married my great grandad Giulio Toti, who himself sold ice cream (Julians ices) .
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Hi. Is anyone still researching the Risi family from Newcastle?! I'm interested to find out what I can about where my family came from... I know this was Casino but I would like more detail! Thanks. Bjorn Risi
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Such a shame when there are no existing shipping details to peruse. One can always hope there may have been more information given on documents, so acquiring actual certs can sometimes help.
Read the post and links by Berlin-Bob in reply #2
This sounds like good reading although doubt there is any genealogy involved
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/ciao-pet-history-italian-immigration-8305071
I think this poster on another site may be related although he has a different forename your grandmother
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Thanks, JJ, for the link. I've ordered the book in the hope it will be of interest.
Paul
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Bjorn:
I have sent you a personal message.
Paul
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Bjorn: Answer this post two more times, and you will be able to receive millybobs private message. Rules are that 3 posts must have been made before the private message facility can be used. ;D
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Oh, sorry... I see my link didn't paste on that earlier post...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LONDON/2006-09/1159286754
adding: I was totally off base anyway as that was too late a marriage to have been a relative
Everyone has always been able to p.m. me after only two posts, and I them, so I have never been sure why they say one must post three times... Unless it has inconsistancies ;) J.J.
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Hi
Thanks for the message Paul (Millybobs)!
To answer your question... My great grandfather was Angelo Antonio Risi and Great Grandmother Euphemia Risi.
I believe they came to England via the port of Liverpool and for some reason travelled and settled first in Scarborough (selling chestnuts on the beach) for a short time before moving up to Newcastle and starting the ice cream business. Interestingly the Risi tomb in Newcastle is next to a Jaconelli grave (Jaconelli is a well known Scarborough ice cream family).
They lived in Byker in the east end of Newcastle and had shops on Shields Road, the Grainger Market and various mobile sales pitches.
My grandfather was Joe (Giuseppi) Risi, the brother of Sammy Risi. They both ran the Risi's Ice Cream business at different times until their deaths.
I'm really keen to find out more about other parts of the family. My father mentioned a few times that he had cousins in Leeds I think. Also keen to know more about Casino and any relatives that might still be there!
Lets keep in touch.
Bjorn
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Albertini - Baccino - Bartolomeri - Blanki - Boggiano - Bonneretti - Bordessa - Capaldi - Cappella - Chiappe - Cogliolo - Colletta - D'Annunzio - Edro - Fasciole - Ferri - Franchetti - Frediani - Fusco - Gianelli - Granelli - Guzzoni - Iello - Imundi - Innelli - Mancini - Marengo - Minchelli - Miolla - Minghella - Moretta - Muscatelli - Pacelli - Podesta - Riccio - Riozzi - Rocca - Russiano - Sabatini - Santangelli - Sartorri - Silvano - Sinagoea - Tambourini - Temarco - Valerio - Valvona - Varcelli - Ventre - Vermiglio - Volante
these are the families from Italy in Liverpool
you may find this site interesting
http://www.scottiepress.org/projects/litaly.htm
I was wandering if Riozzi is in any way an Italian way of spelling Risi ?
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Hi. Is anyone still researching the Risi family from Newcastle?! I'm interested to find out what I can about where my family came from... I know this was Casino but I would like more detail! Thanks. Bjorn Risi
Bjorn - a man named Nicholas Rice has this family tree - it includes 3 from Newcastle upon Tyne 1917-1927
http://gw.geneanet.org/nrice?lang=en&v=RISI&m=N
it looks like ONE Risi changed his surname to Rice - in his opinion an English spelling of his surname
have a look - might be interesting
good luck