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Howdy All
My wife is starting to trace her family history and we have come across the surname of Sictorness.
We have been unable to find the origins of this surname and it is not listed in the SIT.
Does anybody know the origins?
My fifes grandmother Katherine Sictorness was born 1899 in Islington London.
If there is anybody tracing this family we would love to hear from you.
Thanks
Chris
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Hello Chris,
Welcome aboard.
It is interesting that this name shows up very few times in FreeBMD, but every time it DOES show up it is in the London area and in 1900 or after. This implies one or two things to me: late immigrants to England (but from where?); bad misspelling of another name, e.g. "Sigtornus", etc. Since you have Katherine, what does the birth cert say about parents?
There are a few current people of this name if you google it, but apparently nothing relating to genealogy. I suspect the only way you are going to determine origin is to work backward from what you have until you see it morphing back to whatever its origins were.
Regards,
Nick
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From pronouncing it out loud, I think it is either Germanic or Baltic in origin. If the instances of the name are all London late-1800's on, then quite possibly the name could originate from a seaman (seamen?) from these regions. I think you may need to think laterally for alternative spellings.
Regards,
Darren
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There are only 19 people called Sictorness in the Office of National Statistics database, which contains a list of the surnames in use in England, Wales and the Isle of Mann in September 2002.
It looks like it derives from one family, and is probably a unique name, misspelled from some foreign name. There don't apear to be any in the 1901 census, although the first birth in FreeBmd is in 1900
Stan
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It may be worth getting the marriage certificate of Adelaide Sictorness registered in Bethnal Green in the Sep ¼ 1914, 1c 252, which should have her father's name.
Stan
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Given that there are no recorded marriages in that exact surname before Births, all thats been suggested earlier about immigration would seem correct ..... altho mis-transcriptions / understandings and anglicising may have a role to play ....
Wonder if this chap was in the Country for the 1901 census ?
Deaths Dec 1925
Sictorness Alfred 55 Hackney V1b P514
and this lass in the Hampstead District ?
Deaths Mar 1905
Sictorness Emily H 13 Hampstead V1a P411
and this couple finally married !
Births Dec 1911
Sictorness Elizabeth B Longman Bethnal G. 1c 251
Births Dec 1913
Sictorness James Longman Bethnal G. 1c 334
Marriages Sep 1919
Sictorness Henry W Longman Bethnal G 1c 355
Searching BMD for all events shows that the forenames were 'english' or at least anglicised in the case of marriage / death .....
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, and is probably a unique name, misspelled from some foreign name.
I should have said Anglicised from a foreign name.
Stan
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Hi all :)
Katherine's father Alfred Andrew's marriage was recorded as Sictornoss. He was born ca. 1870 St Luke according to the 1901 census. Will have a look for earlier census to check the spelling and see if his parents were born abroad! :)
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This is the family in 1901 RG13/251/119/23 The names are as transcribed, but it is Sictorness
Alfred Andrew Sictornow 30
Harriett Sictornow 28
Adeliade Eliza Sietomxs 6
Emily Harriett Sietomxs 10
Henry William Sietomxs 4
Katherine Sietomxs 1
Stan
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Curious - Alfred Harry/Henry/Andrew's wife Harriet - her Maiden name is Longman, the same as I had assumed was marrying in 1919 after having kids back as far as 1911 !
Sounds like 2 different people then.
The 1Q1890 Islington Marriage Cert is a MUST have :)
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1891
RG12/156 109 12
Islington
54 Freeling St
Alfred Sictornoss(?), head, 20, Brass Polisher, b. Shoreditch
Harriett, wife, 18, b. Islington
Emily H, dau, 1 mo, b. Islington
Having trouble finding him earlier!!
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Nice breakthru tho Tati !
8)
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Not that I have an explanation, but:
Births Sep 1870
ABEL Alfred Henry Shoreditch 1c 76
1871
Edward Abel 34 Brass Finisher Shoreditch
Ann Abel 31 Bermondsey
Edward 5 Shoreditch
Charles 3 Shoreditch
Alfred Abel 8m Shoreditch
Elizabeth Rush M-i-L
Class: RG10; Piece: 441; Folio: 110; Page: 6
*** Forget that, Alfred Henry Abel died aged 3 in Shoreditch 1873 :(
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1891
RG12/156 109 12
Emily H, dau, 1 mo, b. Islington
She was registered as Emily Harriet SICTORNOSS, Jun 1891 Islington 1b 290
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There is also a will on the National Archives available for downloading
Online Document ADM 188/1099
Name Sictorness Henry William SS5502 Islington, London . Name Sictorness Henry William SS5502 Islington, London Date: 1896.
Source: DocumentsOnline (images of documents from The National Archives)
Bob
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How would a Brit pronounce the name Sigtenhorst? :P
There's a Sigtenhorst family in 1871:
RG10/442/18 29
Shoreditch, London
3 Edwards Street
Andrew Sigtenhorst, head, 23, Knife? Machine Maker, b. Holland Amsterdam
Emily, wife, 21, b. Suffolk
Alfred, son, 1, b. Mddx Shoreditch
(Marriage Dec 1869 Andrew Sigtenhorst - Emily Honey Bell)
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What a find, Tati!
Death: Andrew SIGTENHORST aged 27, Jun 1875 Hackney 1b 289
Anna
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Possible sister for Alfred
Birth: Emily Maria SIGTENHORST Sep 1872 Islington 1b 264
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Can you see his wife later or remarrying, Anna?
There seems to be a sister Emily Maria registered in 1872 Islington too. (Plus Fanny who dies as a baby)
(oops! sorry for echo!)
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Possible birth registration for Alfred?
Alfred Sigernos Dec 1869 Shoreditch 1c 114
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Hmmm - yes, I see Fanny b & d after her father's death.
Nothing as yet for Emily remarrying or with surviving kids in 1881 ???
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(Marriage Dec 1869 Andrew Sigtenhorst - Emily Honey Bell)
Trying to find out more about Emily - the most likely candidate as a youngster seems to be Emily Honeyball, daughter of Thomas & Maria Honeyball - family is in Clerkenwell in 1861, Emily a 13 yr old b Denston, Suffolk: RG9/193/30/10
Anna
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I just found this, but I think that others have posted much of it. Anyway ~ just in case:
Births:
# Freda D Dear ~ Born March qtr 1925 ~ Mother's name: Van Den Sigtenhorst ~ Bromley Kent
# Emily Maria Sigtenhorst ~ Born Sept Qtr 1872 ~ Islington ~ Volume 1b
# Fanny Sigtenhorst ~ Born Sept Qtr 1875 ~ Holborn ~ Volume 1b
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Deaths:
# Andrew Sigtenhorst born circa 1848 ~ died June qtr 1875 ~ Hackney.
# Fanny Sigtenhorst born circa 1876 ~ died March qtr 1876 ~ Holborn
# Johanna Frederica Van Den Sigtenhorst ~ born 17 Apr 1901 ~ died Jul 1988 age 87 ~ Bromley, Kent
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Census 1871 ~ transcribed as Siglenhorst on 'Ancestry':
Andrew Siglenhorst 23
Emily Siglenhorst 21
Alfred Siglenhorst 1
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You could be related to Bernhard van den Sigtenhorst Meyer
http://www.answers.com/topic/bernhard-van-den-sigtenhorst-meyer?cat=entertainment
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Thought this looked interesting.
http://www.surnamedb.com/surname.aspx?name=Sictornes
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Having looked at the entry for Mapstone I don't have much confidence in their accuracy. :)
Stan
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Possibly comes from
Andrew Sigtenhorst Vanden1849 – 1875
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Emily Honeyball Sigtenhorst Vanden
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The image for the 1890 marriage is on Ancestry:
St Clement, Bloomsbury, February 2nd 1890
Alfred Harry Sictorness, 19, Bachelor, Railway Porter, 24 Cornelia Street, Andrew Sictorness, Machinist
Harriett Longman, 18, Spinster, - , 24 Cornelia Street, Mark Ridgway Longman, Wire-weaver
By Banns.
Both signed.
Witnesses: Mark Ridgway Longman, Lucy Wing (both signed)
Added:
There are also 7 baptisms:
Alfred Andrew 19 Feb 1893
Adelaide Eliza 8 Jul 1894
Mary Anne 25 Sep 1897
Katharine 16 Nov 1899
Joseph Albert 5 Jan 1902
Charles Ernest 9 Apr 1905
In all these, the father is Alfred Andrew.