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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: maxine57 on Sunday 08 June 08 05:23 BST (UK)
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Looking for my grandfather henry born 1887? kent
He married Ann Field 1922 in kent
He was a soldier in the first world war and was a prison in Russia. I also heard he came from a gypsies family of 10 children.
Any help or advise would be helpful to a new chum like me ;)
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Welcome to RootsChat Maxine :) :)
Birth registration:
Henry Stephen Wraight March quarter 1887
Registration District Milton, Volume 2a page 875
1891 census:
RG12/665 7 8
Chatham, Kent
Luton
63 Beacon Road
4 rooms occupied
James Wraight, head, 52, Farm labourer, b. Faversham Kent
Jane, wife, 39, Tailoress, b. City of London
Henry, son, 4, b. Upchurch Kent
1901 census
RG13/730 48 36
Chatham, Kent
12 Victoria Rd
Jane Keeley, head, wid, 49, Needle Woman (worker, at home), b. City of London
Thomas Firth?, son, unm, 21, Dockyard Labourer, b. Kent Chatham
Henry S Wraight, son, 14, b. Rainham
Richard Wraight, stepfather, wid, 70, b. Faversham
Sounds complicated! :P
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Hmm. Trying to get my head around this!
The only marriage for a James Wraight to a Jane I see on FreeBMD is:
Dec quarter 1861, Milton registration district 2a 1105, James Richard Wraight to either Jane Emmin(g)s or Hannah Hopper. (There is a birth registered for James Richard Wraight in Faversham 1838, which would match the 1891 census' age and birth place for James)
Why is Thomas called Firth or Frith then? :P I've searched for him in 1891 and I suspect he's the Thomas Frith (or Firth) age 11 born Chatham at the Home for Orphans in Sutton at Hone, Kent. Maybe she adopted him? Or maybe there isn't a marriage between James and Jane at all and Jane was really a Firth? I hope the 1881 census will help!
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OK, I think James Richard actually marries Hannah back in 1861 and this is Henry's mother Jane in 1881:
1881
RG11/888 42 13
Chatham, Kent
7 Fort Pitt Street
Joseph Frith, head, 34, Private R.M., b. Derby Brampton
Jane, wife, 30, b. Middlesex London
Thomas J, son, 1, b. Kent Chatham
Here's a link to Thomas J's christening - shame it doesn't show Jane's maiden name
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03ll/
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Still in 1881, James and wife Hannah:
1881
RG11/976 6 6
Sittingbourne, Kent
36 Frederick St
James Rate (sic - in 1871 their name is Wraight), head, 41, Brickfield Labourer, b. Faversham
Hannah, wife, 38, b. Bapchild
George, son, 17, Brickfield Labourer, b. Green Street
Mary A, dau, 13, scholar, b. Teynham
James R, son, 11, scholar, b. do.
Eliza, dau, 9, scholar, b. do.
Sarah, dau, 5, scholar, b. Sittingbourne
Richard, son, 2, b. do.
Alfred Jackson, boarder, unm, 24, Brickfield Labourer, b. do.
Harriet Jackson, boarder, wid, 49, no occupation, b. do.
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and 10 yars earlier:
1871
RG10/980 73 9
Lynsted, Kent
Lynsted Lane
James Wraight, head, 32, Labourer, b. Faversham
Hannah, wife, 27, b. Bapchild
William, son, 9, b. Lynsted
George, son, 7, b. do.
Mary A, dau, 2, b. Teynham
James R, son, 3 mo, b. Lynsted
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My best guess for James on earlier census:
1861
RG9/529 194 7
Tong, Kent
James Wraight, boarder, unm, 23, Agricultural Servant, b. Lynsted
with one Robert Tambler and family
1851
HO107/1626 537 31
Linsted, Kent
?Cellar? Hill
George Wraight, head, mar, 56, Ag lab
John, son, 18, Farm servant
James, son, 12, Farm Servant
Stephen, son, 9, Field Labourer
Sarah, wife, 49, Field Labourer
Rebecca Stiles, lodger, wid, 69, Receiving Parish Relief
All born Kent Throwley.
1841
HO107/476/4 20 3
Teynham, Kent
Barrow Green
George Wraight, 40, Ag lab
Sarah, 30
William, 10
George, 6
James, 2
Not known (male), 1 month
All born Kent
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Are you still following me?
I was wondering if James and Jane were ever married. I doubted it, seeing James' wife Hannah still alive in 1891, now shown as married to the chap who was lodging with them in 1881 ...
1891
RG12/653 140 52
Strood, Kent
4 Brickfd Cottages - Cuxton Rd
3 rooms occupied
Alfred Jackson, head, mar, 36, Labourer, b. Sittingbourne
Hannah, wife, 48, b. Bapchild
Richard, son, 14, b. Sittingbourne
Harriet, dau, 9, b. Strood
Annie, dau, 7, b. do.
Alfred, son, 5, b. do.
Thomas, son, 2, b. do.
BUT I've just found this possible marriage:
Jane Frith - James Richard Wraith
Dec 1885 Medway 2a 935
Also, in 1892 (odd because she should logically have married as Wraight)
Jane Frith - Joseph Keeley
Jun 1892 Medway 2a 995
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This might be Jane's first marriage:
Jun 1879 Medway 2a 769
Joseph Frith to possibly Jane McIntyre
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Here's Henry's Baptism in Upchurch:
15th Jan 1887 Henry Stephen son of James Richard & Jane WRAIGHT.
James was a Labourer.
Betty
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Thank you Betty :)
Could the proof that Henry was Baptised dispell the story that his family may have been Gypsies?
For the information of other researchers they may like to know that this branch of the Wraight family tree is in Australia.
Thank you again Betty for you help
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Hi Maxine
Tati has done most of the work on this thread, finding the Baptism was the easy bit ;D I hope everything Tati found is useful to you.
I believe Gypsy children were Baptised, so that baptism doesn't prove anything one way or the other. RootsChat has a board for Travelling People
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,387.0.html which you may find helpful.
Betty
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Thanks again Betty ;)
Yes Tati has been great. no its up to me to do the rest
Happy hunting ;D
maxine
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That was good stuff Tatsper 8)
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Thanks :)
Now your mission, should you decide to accept it ... Find a candidate for Jane before 1881! ;)
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WELL ,YES JANE .I'VE HAD A LITTLE LOOK BUT NOTHING YET.
THIS LADY IS GOING TO HAVE A HUGH STORY A CAN FEEL IT.
I THINK HENRY IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF HALF BROS & SISTERS.WHILE I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FAMILY I'VE DISCOVERED MANY WOMEN WITH MANY MEN IN THEY LIVES. DO ANY OF US HAVE ANY TRUE BLOOD LINES? IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKELY.
WILL KEEP IN TOUCH IF I FIND SOMETHING
REGARDS MAXINE :)
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Not sure if this is of any help to you but in my family (Wraight,s) in Kent none were as far as I know direct descendant's of Gypsies, however my grandfather was married to a Pope whom I suspect may have been Gypsies.
My Grandfather and father and as far as I know quite a few Wraight,s were totally fluent in Romany and in fact my Mom and Dad quite often spoke to each other in Romany, their knowledge came from frequent dealing,s with Gypsies through business which I am given to understand was fairly common in the Blean, Faversham, Ashford area.
My Grandmother Pope apparently come from a circus family and I think a lot of people would confirm that many circus performers of this era were gypsies.
Cheers
Pete