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May I please request a Queensland Electoral Roll look-up between the years 1930 - 1950.
I am searching for Harry Eyre (also known as Hal, Henry) and his de-facto
B.L.Lucas.
Known addresses are: Walker Street, Tennyson in 1945; Boonah District in 1946; Hardwick Terrace, Bardon, Brisbane 1946.
Harry was buried in Boonah Cemetary in 1946.
I am particularly interested in B. L. Lucas. That's the only information I have about her and would like to obtain her first names.
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Hi Spyder,
Harry Eyre is listed on the following website http://www.ozcemeteries.com/qld_cemeteries/boonah.htm
Monumental section as follows;
Eyre Harry Leo 4 Apr 1946
Might be a long shot but it looks like they are happy to send photo of headstone. Perhaps Harry's may reveal more info on B L Lucas?
The cemetery can be found on Cemetery Road, Boonah and is administered by the Boonah Shire Council. We photographed this cemetery in October 2005 and the this transcriptions represents all visible and legible headstones at that time. We are happy to share a photo or two so just send us an email.
bye
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Thanks Eilidh.
I already have the photograph of Harry's headstone. Unfortunately, it gave no information regarding Lucas.
It was from his death certificate that I got the information regarding her initials.
I was hoping that there may be some record on the electoral rolls.
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Spyder,
Did they have any children together? His death cert should give that information.
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Ruskie,
Yes, they had a daughter named Halyn, date of birth, 22 January 1937.
I found reference to her in the Queensland School Pupils Index. I was also sent a copy of the school registration in which it showed her being registered for Tennyson School in 1945, giving the address of Walker Street, showing Harry Eyre as the father but no reference of the mother.
The death certificate does record Halyn as his daughter.
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Just kind of reading between the lines and a bit of deduction from the Ancestry index, I think she may have been BEATRICE LENORA LUCAS.
Maybe something to work on til someone does a proper lookup for you.
Sue
Both at OXLEY?
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Well that's good. Halyn - a nice unusual name ... (and she may still be alive). Her birth certificate may be worth persuing, to confirm Sue's findings. ;D
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Sue.
Beatrice Lenora Lucas??? That may well be worth chasing for a birth or death certificate. I could possibly come up with a close guesstimate of her year of birth.
I can't provide an answer on the Oxley suggestion. I have an old hand written 1945 letter from a neighbour who thought that they may have gone to Victoria following Harry's death.
Ruskie.
I'd love to be able to apply for Halyn's birth certificate but I would have to wait for the 100 years restriction. :-[
....unless there is some way around it.
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Yes, it looks like you might need Halyn's permission to get her birth certificate. And births on fiche at the archives only go up to 1919 ..... :-\
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Following Sue's lead regarding the Oxley connection, I searched through the Ancestry Index and found Harry and Violet Eyre in the 1913 Electoral Roll.
This is Harry with his first wife. They later moved to Sydney and started a family.
Beatrice Lenora LUCAS is listed as living in Oxley in the 1925 Electoral Roll.
The other records I found are for a Beatrice Leonora Lucas. Slightly different spelling of the middle name but it could be the same person.
I can find no further record on the Electoral Rolls for Harry Eyre. I know that he did move back to QLD but may not have registered to vote.
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http://www.justice.qld.gov.au
Well, ;D ;D ??? ???.
1904/C9. Birth. Family name Lucas. Given name. Rose Beatrice. Father's name. Frank. Mother's Name. Beatrice Leonora Ranger.
Sue
ADDING: You can see more information on the events for Rose/a Beatrice and Beatrice Leonora on the same search site.
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http://www.justice.qld.gov.au
Well, ;D ;D ??? ???.
1904/C9. Birth. Family name Lucas. Given name. Rose Beatrice. Father's name. Frank. Mother's Name. Beatrice Leonora Ranger.
Sue
Hi sue & spyder
Hope I am reading this correctly - in that she would be unlikely to have had another child in 1937?
I looked at the 1936 (most recent electoral roll online) and found
1936 Moreton Harrisville
Lucas, Beryl Llyweln Flinders writer
Lucas, Harry Eyre Flinders writer
Edit: I'm still confused but is Harry Eyre Lucas the same person as Harry Leo Eyre ???
Trish
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Hi Trish,
I was about to say, that as Beatrice Lenora was born in 1883, it is looking most unlikely that she is the B. L. Lucas we are looking for!!
Not likely to be Halyn's mother ::)
Sue
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By the way, Spyder, I did see a reference to Harry Leo Eyre on our NAA site where there is an undigitised entry about a person of that name in 1925 applying for a patent on "Sound Reproduction Machine'
Do you know how to search the site?
Sue
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There is a burial at Toowong for
Beryl llywelyn EYRE aged 60, 1967
In the same grave is
Mary Janet Lucas aged 57 1933
http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD::pc=PC_899
Trish
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There are a couple of google hits for Beryl Lucas the writer and the death date you have found Trish confirms it maybe the same woman.
Well, now I am modifying that because it may not be. Too easy to assume Sue!!!
Sue
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I think she was born in Victoria - although there is a Beryl Llewlyn Lucas on the roll there in 1919? she was born c. 1907?
Ah - not sure about that age of death! perhaps she was older than Harry & didn't reveal her birthdate
Vic 1898: Father Albt Llewllyn mother Mary Janet Mackie Berwick 1898 8773
Trish
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http://www.austlit.edu.au/run?ex=ShowAgent&agentId=A@%5B
Here is a little biography with birth and death dates and places. Fits Ok about death . Birth date here in too early though!
Sue
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Victoria 1919 Balaclava Armadale
Lucas, Beryl Llewelyn 22 Grandview gr., horticulturist
Lucas Keith Mackie 22 Grandview gr., student
Victoria 1924 Flinders Mitcham
Lucas Beryl Llewellyn "Hethersett" Burwood rd Burwood h.d.
Lucas, Keith Mackie, same address student
Lucas Mary janet same address h.d.
Trish
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http://www.austlit.edu.au/run?ex=ShowAgent&agentId=A@%5B
Here is a little biography with birth and death dates and places. Fits Ok about death . Birth date here in too early though!
Sue
Did you miss my post with the date of birth! Tis the age at death that is incorrrect - It also fits with the 1919 Horticulturist - she then studied at a horticultural school in Burnley
Trish
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Yes, Yes, I did. Thanks Trish Gone Googly with too much Googling.
Sue
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It is confusing, isn't it? :D
Harry Leo Eyre is the name he mostly used but he was born Henry Leo Eyre.
He was an artist (cartoonist) and drew under the name of Hal Eyre.
Occupational Story link: http://www.daao.org.au/main/read/2459
His son is Harry Giles Eyre, also a cartoonist.
The Harry/Henry/Hal that I'm looking for in Queensland was born 1875.
Sue, if you have located a Beatrice Lenora Lucas born 1883, it may well be a fit to the B. L. Lucas. The information that I have on B.L.Lucas is that she was between 10-20 years younger...younger looking anyway.
Do you have any other information regarding this birth?
With regard to the Sound Production Machine, I have previously found that record, thanks.
Trish, I'd say that your findings are for different people, but interesting names just the same. :)
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Hi Spyder
I think you maybe need to re-examine - Beatrice was not likely to be having a child in 1937 - she would have been 54 years old! very very unlikely
Beryl Llewellyn must have lied about her age if folks thought she was 60 when she died (she was 69) and she was 15 years younger than Beatrice Lenora.
Trish
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And Harry in his 60's!!
Not impossible, but likely?
[I'm glad we now have his birth date anyway. ]
Sue
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Children in their 60's does sound rather unlikely but according to the two records that I have, it appears to be fact.
His 1946 death certificate lists all of his children. The last child is recorded as Halyn Eyre Lucas, 8 years.
The 1945 Tennyson State School register records Halyn Eyre, 7 years 1 month, DOB: 22.1.37.
He was not divorced from his first wife, so there shouldn't be any marriage record with Lucas.
If Lucas remarried following Harry's death, that makes it all the more difficult to trace her.
I don't know whether Halyn might have used the name Eyre or Lucas.
....and I don't know where they might have met. He may well have met her in NSW and then re-located to QLD.
This may well be a brick wall that I won't be able to penetrate. :-[
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Children in their 60's does sound rather unlikely but according to the two records that I have, it appears to be fact.
His 1946 death certificate lists all of his children. The last child is recorded as Halyn Eyre Lucas, 8 years.
The 1945 Tennyson State School register records Halyn Eyre, 7 years 1 month, DOB: 22.1.37.
He was not divorced from his first wife, so there shouldn't be any marriage record with Lucas.
If Lucas remarried following Harry's death, that makes it all the more difficult to trace her.
I don't know whether Halyn might have used the name Eyre or Lucas.
....and I don't know where they might have met. He may well have met her in NSW and then re-located to QLD.
This may well be a brick wall that I won't be able to penetrate. :-[
No-one is doubting that Harry is the father of Halyn - Charlie Chaplin was still having children in his 80s. Women, however, very rarely have children naturally conceived, after the age of 50.
Your original query was to find him and BL on the electoral roll - I believe BL has been FOUND, but you seem to think not.
.Beryl Llewellyn (initials B L) Lucas was born in Victoria in 1898.
.Some of her biography has been provided on a link from Sue.
.She is 23 years younger than Harry, which fits in with your prior information.
.In 1919 and 1824 she is on the electoral roll in Victoria.
.In 1936 she is on the electoral roll in Qld living with Harry Eyre Lucas. If Harry has left his wife to live with B L, he may well have been recorded with the same surname as her. He may not want his wife to find him. He may not want the neighbours to know they are not married.
. In 1937 per your information, they have a child.
. In 1945 The school registers name the father. It was probably common for the registers to list the next of kin - usually the father - unless he had passed away.
. In 1967 B L dies and is buried in Brisbane with her mother. She is buried under the name of Eyre.
The main query would be whether or not B L and Harry married - she may have simply taken his name, changed it by deed poll, or if the first wife had died, she may have married him.
I really don't know why you think this is a brick wall. Do you have some definite proof that Beryl Llewellyn is not the BL Lucas you are searching for?
Trish
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Trish, You may have nailed it.
Just reading through your summary, it does make a lot of sense and certainly provides me with a lot of new leads I didn't have before...or didn't consider before you laid it all out for me.
The Queensland neighbour who wrote a letter to my family in 1946 believed that Halyn was named after her parents. Hal & Lyn. Llewellyn certainly fits.
The same neighbour also though that Lucas may have returned to Victoria following Harry's death. The Victorian connection is another fit.
An author would have been the type of company that Harry would have kept. This fits too.
Thank you so much for opening my eyes.
....and also many thanks to Sue and Ruskie for your valuable contribution.
I'll start a new search to follow these leads and come back to this thread to let you know of the results.
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You may also be interested to know that the name Halyn also means 'One of a kind. Special and unique"
Which she may well have been!!
Beryl may have been given to the ancient references in her naming as she also wrote some of her horticultural books under the name of Chloris which meens 'greening' and is associated with the freshening of flowers and vegetation in spring.
Sue
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I'm glad my last post helped. I think, under the rules, you can probably get the 1967 death certificate - although it will take forever being a Queensland one.
The alternative may be to see if there is a newspaper funeral notice - or a memorial inscription mentioning her children. One day I will get to the library - just not sure which year ::) ::)
Trish
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Thanks again Trish and Sue,
I'll place an order for the death certificate and keep my fingers crossed.
The newspaper funeral notice would also be a bonus.
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I found in the 1934 (Moreton, Harrisville) electoral roll on CD the same as Trish found for the 1936 roll.
Lucas, Beryl Llywelyn, writer.
Lucas, Harry Eyre, writer. Both living at Flinders.
I couldn't seem to find them any earlier than this.
However, I did also look for Harry Giles Eyre, in 1930 he is living in Randwick East in Sydney.
Details are 1930 South Sydney, Randwick East
Eyre, Harry Giles, 104 Mount St, artist. and presumably his wife
Eyre, Elaine Violet, secretary.
Next door at 106 Mount Street ("Yeronga")
Eyre, Violet Maud, home duties.
Eyre, Alwynne Eva, home duties.
Could these two ladies be daughters of Harry (Sr) - ie Harry Giles Eyre's sisters maybe?
Then in 1936 district name has changed to Watson, sub-dist Randwick East.
Harry Giles Eyre same address. No wife.
and only Violet Maud Eyre living at 106 Mount St.
A few of these names could also give some clues. Hope this helps.
Anita
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Thank you Anita.
The 1934 electoral roll record confirms the information supplied by Trish and Sue. More importantly, it provides me with a larger picture of their lives during those times.
I appreciate your effort in bringing me this information.
The Sydney names that you have found are the children from his first family and include his first wife.
There is no doubt that the mysterious B L Lucas has now been accurately identified thanks to all of you people who have given your personal time to help me find some of the missing pieces to the family jigsaw puzzle.
Where would we be without you.
Thanks again, one and all.
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Glad the info was of help. Another problem solved - just wish I could solve some of my own !!
Cheers, Anita :D
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As an update to this thread.
I was unsuccessful in obtaining the 1967 death certificate for Lucas. The QLD BD&M office will not give step children of the deceased access to their records.
I will therefore need to wait until 2017 before I can apply again. :-\
Thanks again to all those of you who assisted in identifying Beryl Llewellyn Lucas as the person I was looking for.
I have since found some very interesting information about her. I was also successful in applying for her birth certificate which provided further information about her.
I couldn't have done it without your valuable help and guidance.
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Hi Spyder
Keep checking the rules, maybe Qld will line up with other states and provide earlier access to death certificates. NSW has them to 1977. A little disappointing, but nice that you found everything else :)
Trish
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Spyder, i'm the son of Halyn Lucas and may be able to help you fill in a few gaps.
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Responding to Post by: tige on Thursday 10 March 11 23:37 GMT (UK)
Dear Tige, I am a researcher based at the State Library of NSW in Sydney and was very interested to see that you are a son of Halyn Lucas, daughter of the cartoonist Hal Eyre.
The Library holds a large collection of World War 1 cartoon by Eyre and we are keen to ahve these digitised prior to the approaching centenary celebrations but have been unable to locate the copyright holder in these works.
So I was delighted to find the previous rootschat which seemed to definitively confirm the martial staus and death dates of Hal & Beatrice Lucas with the added bonus of your post that the tailend.
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Responding to Posts by: Spyder
Dear Spyder, I am a researcher based at the State Library of NSW in Sydney and was very interested to see the previous rootschat which seemed to definitively confirm the martial staus and death dates of Hal & Beatrice Lucas with the added bonus of Tige's post that the tailend.
The Library holds a large collection of World War 1 cartoon by Hal Eyre and we are keen to have these digitised prior to the approaching centenary celebrations but have been unable to locate the copyright holder in these works.
And I am hoping your on-going research might be able to help us sort this matter out.
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Hi mriley
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Also found a book of poetry that has a foreward dedicated to Llywelyn Lucas (Hal Eyres 2nd wife) with some references to him.
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Responding to Post by: tige on Thursday 10 March 11 23:37 GMT (UK)
Dear Tige, I am a researcher based at the State Library of NSW in Sydney and was very interested to see that you are a son of Halyn Lucas, daughter of the cartoonist Hal Eyre.
The Library holds a large collection of World War 1 cartoon by Eyre and we are keen to ahve these digitised prior to the approaching centenary celebrations but have been unable to locate the copyright holder in these works.
So I was delighted to find the previous rootschat which seemed to definitively confirm the martial staus and death dates of Hal & Beatrice Lucas with the added bonus of your post that the tailend.
Hi - unsure how this reply system works - mriley contact me on 0414 187357