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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: steffi on Thursday 05 June 08 21:50 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for information about the Loyal Orange Lodge in Cumberland in the first half of the 20th century. If anyone has any information I'd be really interested.
I'm particularly interested in any activity in the Carlisle, Workington, Whitehaven and Frizington areas and in Lodge 134. If anyone knows about this please could they contact me.
Margaret Jones nee Richardson was a member and brethren of the loyal orange lodge acted as bearers at her funeral on 28/07/1949 at Harrington Rd cemetery; grand master,Brother T Clague gave the sermon. If anyone knows how I could access the records of tis time I'd love to know.
Thanks
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Still looking for info about Orange Order in Workington.
I haven't found anyone with memories/details of the Orange Lodge in Workington in the 1920s and 30s. I've posted here on roots chat, on ancestry, on the Whitehaven News forum, and on Cumberland Family History.
Any ideas for further queries?
thanks
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There is a book by Donald MacRaild called 'Culture, Conflict and Migration - the Irish in Victorian Cumbria' which has a chapter on the Orange lodges although it may cover an earlier period than you are interested in. I have a copy of the book and can look anything up in the book for you, the Orange lodges still exist in Cumbria and may have some records.
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Steffi,
I grew up in Workington in an area Known as the 'Marsh', I would often go to sleep listening to the pipes and drums on 'King Billys' night.
There were many stalwarts of the order in the area, some grew Orange lillys in their back yards.
This was in the early 50s, Later the focus of the Order seemed to be the 'Union Jack' club, which relocated to the old Imperial Hotel, Senhouse St Workington. phone 01900604532
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Hello,
Thank you very much for your help; unfortunately I'm no nearer to any info!
I've tried phoning several times and noone seems to know anything about the order in the 40s/50s 9or at any other time!).
Have you any more ideas of where I could email/phone/write?
Thanks
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Hi Try the Northwestern Area Head Office
Liverpool Provincial Orange Hall
108 Everton Road
Liverpool L6
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hi , i too am looking for information on the orange order in workington.
my father was in the workington order,as was my uncle bill.they both played the big drum each taking turns on various tours in both england and ireland.i think my dad once held the record for the number of drum skins to be burst on one march . i think it was 9 or 10 skins.sadly uncle bill passed away in 1986,and dad passed away in 1995.dad was buried with his sash and i am trying to get a copy made,just for a keepsake.i have very fond memories of my mam and dad talking about putting some orange order members up at our house during a tour.it was so long ago i wouldnt mind contacting these members as they were some of the most friendly people you could have ever met.
i love to hear the orange order playing.it makes me so proud to hear a tune knowing that both dad and uncle bill have been a part of it.
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Hello,
Thank you very much for your memories - I knew that the order must have been around in the Workington area because they played at Margaret Jones nee Richardson's funeral and were stretcher bearers for her in 1949.
I haven't got anywhere regarding finding records of her membership or activity for the orde in the area at the relevant time -I've emailed various potential sources to no effect.
When were your Dad and Uncle Bill active in the order?
thanks
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Steffi
In the 1940's True Blue Women's Temperance Loyal Orange Lodge No. 134 met in the Old Masonic Hall, South Watts Street, Workington. I don't know the area so I can't say if the hall still exists. Brother Thomas W. Clague, who lived in Workington, was the Provincial Master of the North West Province of the Orange Order. In the 1940's the North West Province had lodges in Barrow in Furness, Maryport, Workington, Whitehaven and Harrington. I hope that this is of some help. Let me know if need more information.
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It looks like Carrigans has come to answer steffi's pleas!
Many of South Watt Street's buildings have been demolished leaving empty spaces ... there is at least one club remaining http://tinyurl.com/39wdmkf
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Thank you very much for your help -I thought I'd come to a full stop on this!
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My ancestor - Andrew Clark - came to Maryport about 1874 and I believe that he was a member of an Orange Lodge. Are there any lists of Lodges and/or Members names?
Vera
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Steffi
I do not have much more information about the Women's Loyal Orange Lodge No. 134 in Workington. I do not have access to complete records about the Workington lodges, however LOL 134 was formed sometime between 1919 and 1924 and appeared to be in continual existance until 2003. The name Jones or Richardson does not appear among the limited number of the names of the Mistress of the lodge that I have.
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My grandfather was a member of the orange lodge in Workington, not sure of the dates, but I would guess it would be late 1880s or 1890s. Any information would be helpfull, as I am just starting off on this quest. I have no more information myself, the only thing I do have is his sash, which was given to me by my late mother.
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Hi ....What was the surname of your grandfather and what is the lodge number (or lodge name) on the sash?
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Hi, thank you for your message. My grandfathers name was Joe Bishop. I have his sash, but can't find a number or lodge name. The only word I can make out is enniskilen.
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Hi
I have partial records for the lodges in Workington for the early years of the 1900's. I have looked through these but have not found any reference to your grandfather's name. Sorry that I do not have a positive result.
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Photo of Orange Lodge Parade Guard St Workington 1970s?
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Hi People,
I would also be extremely interested in aspects of the Orange Lodge in Workington. My great Grandfather Richard Croskery and other members of that extended family were also members. I think Richard held office among them. I know a relative in Workington has Richard's sash. I live in Australia, but my grandfather William Croskery emigrated out to Australia from Workington in the 1920s. My mother still has first cousins there, and I myself have visited the place on two occasions. My family lived on the now demolished Marsh and Quay. They lived in Southey St.
Denise
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Priscurl,
Facebook site Marsh & Quay or Old Workington for photos
Jeff
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I am looking for information on the Sisters of LOL 138 of Workington. They sent a wreath to my grandfathers funeral in 1949. I know my grandmother & auntie were members of an Orange Lodge from a photograph I have of them wearing sashes. Any information would be helpful.
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I do not have a complete set of records, but from the records I have I see that a Mrs Rhoda Clark of 4, Lonsdale Street, Workington, was the Mistress (i.e. the leader) of Ladies Loyal Orange Lodge (LLOL) No. 138 between the years 1934 and 1949. I don’t have records for all the years between 1934 and 1949 but it is quite likely that her role as the Mistress of the lodge was continuous during that period and possibly extended on either side of that period. The full name of the lodge was ‘Christ Church Star of the North LLOL 138’ and it met on the 3rd Monday of each month at Christ Church, Edkin Street, Workington. The lodge ceased to exist sometime in the 1950’s. I hope this information is helpful.
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Wow. Thank you for your very speedy reply & what a fantastic piece of information. The church you mention is where Dorothy May was married in 1962. I was born in 1948 & knew nothing at all of their involvement. All I have is the photograph & newspaper clipping which I inherited when my aunt died in 2000.
Is there any information at all on Robert & Dorothy?
Dave
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Between 1938 and 1948 a Mr. R. Clark of 4, Lonsdale Street, Workington, was Master of The Robert Russell Memorial Loyal Orange Lodge No. 518 which met monthly at Christ Church, Edkin Street. I do not have records for all the years between 1938 and 1948 but it is likely that he was Master of the lodge continuously in that period. He may also have been Master for a few years before 1938 where I do not have records. The lodge did not submit its records in 1949 – perhaps it ceased to exist in that year. Also, in 1938 a Mrs Rhoda M. Clark was Superintendent of The Robert Russell Memorial Junior Loyal Orange Lodge No. 39 which met twice monthly at Christ Church. Hoping this is helpful.
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Wow again. Helpful??? Understatement! My family never cease to amaze me nor do the people who I ask for assistance. I wonder if records were not submitted in 1949 because of his sudden death on 24 October of that year. I wonder also if it is just a coincidence that my grandmother finished as Mistress in 1949 after his death?
Do you know how many lodges were actually in Workington because that is 3 different ones I have seen now, 134, 138 & 518?
Are you a Workingtonian?
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The number of lodges varied over the years but if we look at 1948 there were 2 male lodges, 2 female lodges and 2 junior lodges in Workington. No, I’m not from Workington and have never been there!
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Thanks fornthat mate, very useful information. I will now have to see what other information I can find out.
Regards
Dave
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Sorry to bother you again but I have discovered the Grand Orange Lodge of England & was going to email them to see if they had any further information when it occurred to me that you may in fact be part of that organisation & have already given me everything they have. Are you?
Dave
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I have acquired a fairly comprehensive, but not complete, set of Grand Orange Lodge of England annual reports for that period which list the Masters, Mistresses and Secretaries of the Orange Lodges in England. I would think it unlikely that the Grand Orange Lodge of England would be able to provide you with any additional information about individual members that long ago.
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OK thank you. A question I should have asked earlier is do you know if there are still any lodges in Workington?
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I don't think so but I believe that there may be lodges elsewhere in Cumbria - Barrow, Carlisle, etc.
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Many, many thanks again for your help.
Dave