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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Pacific on Thursday 05 June 08 09:23 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Where can one find the church records of a burial performed by a Church of England reverend in Upper Hutt in Wellington in 1896. I have the death certificate of Henry Charles Young buried Jan 1896. But his grave is nowhere to be found. Now I would like to know where the church record might be. The reverend is P.L.Cannon I Think, could be Cameron.
Is there a registry of Church of England clergy in NZ available.
Thanks,
Hera
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Is there a registry of Church of England clergy in NZ available.
There is a Church of England clergy book that spans many countries . It is published every couple of yrs and certainly goes back beyond the period of interest to you.
It is called CROCKFORD and most large public libraries in their reference section should hold runs of it.
I'd suggest you phone your largest accessible public library and ask the reference librarian if they have Crockford for the approximate time frame you want and would they look up the clergyman's surname for you. If the entry is there it will summarise the parishes in which he has served, dates of incumbency and so on.
If the public library approach fails, then a Church Of England Theological College Library would most likley have these or could tell you where to go.
Another alternative is to post on RC and ask for CROCKFORD lookup of the minister you want. I can't remember how the surnames ar organised- whether it is just straight alphabetical or by diocese or by country.
This is how I have gone about finding a clergman in the past ..
hope it works,
charlotte
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Thanks so much for your help.
Hera
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The death certificate doesn't have place of burial ?
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Place of death and burial is Upper Hutt. Those council registers did not come up with his name as being registered in their burial records.
Hera
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Hera, on second thoughts, it's probably better to ask a reference library of wherever if they hold backcopies of Crockfords Directory of Church of Engalnd]Anglican?] Clergy . That description is a bit more definitive of what you are after in case the book is not in high demand!
Another place to ask would be at the Church of England Diocesan Offices for where ever you live. They will have archives and should have back copies archived. as it is a standard respected reference.
charlotte
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Thank you,
I will look into all of these. I found a British web page for the Anglican Church. They have a library in London. I will ask them if they have any NZ records from the time I am looking at. I will let you know what they say.
Hera
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Good hunting and let us know how you get on.
charlotte
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Hera,
the fact that Upper Hutt city don't have a record means that it was entirely a Church of England burial and must be in a C of E churchyard. My guess would be the one at the corner of Moonshine Road and Fergusson Drive. It is a lovely little church and churchyard. Try the Wellington Diocesan Board of Trustees. I could try to find out what the church is called. There may be others, of course. An Upper Hutt person should be able to tell you.
cheers
Berar
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Thank you so much.
This makes a lot of sense.
I will look into this as soon as a can.
Have a good weekend
Hera
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Hera,
it is St Johns, Trentham, and appears to be the first Anglican church in Upper Hutt (1861), and it has a significant graveyard around it. The nearest similar church is Christ Church at Taita, but that is in Lower Hutt City.
See www.stjohnstrentham.org.nz/
Ask them if they have a burial register.
cheers
Berar
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berar,
Welcome to rootschat and good on you for giving that good info to hera.
charlotte
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Hi there, I live within 'the bells that toll' of the church you wish to get information from. Would you like me to go and see what I can find for you
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Is there a registry of Church of England clergy in NZ available.
There used to be a directory of NZ Anglican clergy at:
http://www.kinderlibrary.ac.nz/information-sources/anglican-clergy-intro.asp
However, the links to the alphabetical list of clergy stopped working for me ages ago.
Only now have I thought to have a bit of a Google, and found it somewhere else! The Blain Biographical Directory of Anglican Clergy in the Pacific can be downloaded as a .pdf file (5.5Mb):
http://anglicanhistory.org/nz/blain_directory/
On page 149 there is Peter Lochiel Mitchel Cameron who was the vicar of Upper Hutt and Pauatahanui in 1894-97.
It had really bugged me that the KinderLibrary website had fallen over, so I'm delighted that this thread has inspired me to look more widely.
Cheers
Koromo
:)
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Do you want me to go and look for the grave and take a photo
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Hi
If you have no luck with the Upper Hutt churchyards, then the Wallaceville Cemetery is another you may like to try ?
Some time back, a very helpful chappie at Upper Hutt City Council suggested this as an option during one of my searches.
From memory, the burial registers for Wallaceville are held by the Hutt Valley Funeral Directors, Gee and Hickton Ltd ? (Sorry, just not 100% sure I have the correct funeral firm ... but they have a website you can contact them through or try an email to Upper Hutt City Council > askus@uhcc.govt.nz )
Lu
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Hello everyone,
I was away overseas for a while. Thank you so much for your replies. Lucy2 I will look into your suggestion.
Thanks very much for your offer kiwijude . Any information or photos you can come up with are really appreciated. I was ready to give up on this one. If we can find the grave or church record, then I would like to visit the site in the neat future.
Thank you Koromo.
Until next time
have a great weekend,
Hera
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I will get onto this, this week
cheers
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Hi there again pacific, would you kindly provide me with more details from off the death certificate. eg age at death, last known address, whatever details show on the certificate
thanks
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It is P. L. Cameron. If you put into your search engine Reverend P. L Cameron and mark it New Zealand you will find a site called 'Item in Archives - NZ Libraries on-line. Scroll down until you find about the Rev. P. L Cameron.
Be back to you with good news hopefully in a couple of days
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Hi again
His name was Henry Charles Young. He was buried 11. January 1896 at Upper Hutt but so far I have not been able to locate his grave anywhere. I have checked with the Upper Hutt city council and no luck with any of their cemetery records.
It says on the death certificate that he died 8. December 1895 and there was an inquest into his death. I have copies of the articles about the inquest from the news papers. He belonged to the Church of England. He had a wife whose name was Amelia. He also had one daughter who was 17 years at time of death.
Thank you
Hera
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Here are some other details off the death certificate. He was said to be 65 years of age at death.It does not give his address but he lived in Wellington but had lived in Christchurch mostly before that. Henry was born in ENgland and had been in NZ for 40 years or so.
Hera
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out of interest what did he die of
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He had a heart attack at the Upper Hutt railway station. He was waiting to go home and just collapsed at the station.
I have found out his daughter was Gladys Cecile Young and she was baptized at St. Barnabas's in Christchurch on 20 July 1883. Is there any way to find out the folio number for her birth? He mother was Amelia or Emelia.
Thanks
Hera
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Hi there Pacific, where do you hail from
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I live in Australia but I am from Iceland. Is my writing weird hehehe. Perhaps you can hear my accent throught the writing hehehe. I do speak with an accent.
Hera
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Certainly not your writing, but you accent, actually you probably find it hard to unbderstand me, I am from the north.
Did you know that NZ went into mourning last night with the loss of the rugby.
All Blacks against the Springbox. Do I care - not
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That is so funny
Hera
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Hi there again Gladys would have only been 12 at the time of his death, did he have another daughter?
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When I go up the road to look in at the church I will also go up to the library and look at the microfiche and see if I can find the birth and get the folio numbers etc
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I do not know if he had another daughter. It came as a surprise to me to see that he had a daughter on his death certificate.
This is a child from his second marriage. His first marriage was in England, but that wife died.
Hera
p.s Thanks again for your help. After Henry died it seems his wife Amelia and daughter Gladys dissappeared from NZ.
Or in other words they left. To where I do not know.
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Thanks for that, I will see what I can find for you
My husband is in the Military and we have had three postings to Australia - X3 to Canberra - Sad - Would have much preferred Brisbane to Melbourne
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Did you know that NZ went into mourning last night with the loss of the rugby.
....what a load of codswollop......
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I knew that someone would be evesdropping in on this. Bring back Pine Tree and that little Sid Going!
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and...
Grant Batty
Brian Lochore
B G Williams
Ian Macrae
amateurs who achieved so much for our little country……
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The lady in the office at the church will do the research on Friday for the burial information. As for the location I have contacted another man and I am e-mailing him the details you sent me. Hopefully I will have a reply in the next couple of days
Cheers
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A Henry Charles Young married Amelia Corala Castelli in 1876 - Folio 2736. I don't know if you had this information.
Gladys Cecile Young born 1883 - Folio number is 2857.
I will get back to you re other church info later on this week
Cheers
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The burial was certainly at St John's at Trentham. It is in Block C, Row 33, Plot 400. Unfortunately the office lady was nearly 100 per cent sure that this block had very few headstones, mainly wooden crosses. It is stated on the information that he was buried on 11 january 1896. His age was 65 and he was a farmer from Mangaroa.(Near Upper Hutt - Look on the net about it) Hopefully the lady who 'plotted' all the burials and who is producing a data base may come up with something else, however, I do hope this information helps you.
Good luck for you continued research
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Good work "kiwijude" .... well done. :D
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Hi Kiwijude
I have not been on here for a while.
Were you able to look for the grave thath might not exist hehe.
Thanks for all your help
Hera
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Kiwijude
I read this is a hurry. Thanks so much for finding the place of the grave. It is the same man I am sure. It is amazing how many hands can help with what seems a hopeless case.
I really appreciate all the help you have given me.
Have a great week
Hera
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My friend in NZ went to this area of Mangaroa and took some photos. I am not sure how she knew to take photos of that place hehe.
Thanks
Hera