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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: MikeGH on Friday 30 May 08 17:48 BST (UK)
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Hi good people,
Can anyone help me with a look up please for the birth of Patrick Malloy / Molloy in about 1902, BELIEVED to be from Co Mayo.
His Father was named Peter and he had numerous siblings:-
Peter
Eddie
Tommy
John or Jonnie (Died young on a motorbike!)
Veronica
Maggie
Kitty
Nora
Nellie
Eileen
I am desperate to get his Birth Certificate ordered but just do not have enough data to do that.
If anyone has a few spare minutes with access to the appropriate records I'd be very grateful to know anything else, even to the point of paying any fees associated with the look up! (Via Paypal or nochex preferably).
Many thanks for looking,
Happy hunting to all.
Mike
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Hello Mike, was your Patrick Molloy born in Mayo? Do you have any other info no matter how small? Any idea at all which Parish? What was the Mothers Maiden name? Did they stay in Mayo or move to England or USA? I am researching my Molloy Family and if you give me as much info as possible I will look through all the records I have and try to help you.
Regards, Carol
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Hi Carol,
Thanks for this!
Unfortunately I cannot add anything much to what I've already posted except that Patrick Malloy and most of his siblings moved to the UK, initially at least to the Barnsley area of Yorkshire.
When they moved over is unknown but Patrick was born c1902 supposedly in Co Mayo and married Alice Heneghan in 1932 in Barnsley district (we have the marriage cert).
It is also believed, but unproven that their father Peter and mother stayed in Ireland as did Patrick's sister Eileen to look after them - but this may well be speculation to some extent!
Family legend has it that they came from Co Mayo, Parish unknown, Mother's name totally unknown also!
The Heneghan's were also an Irish family but came over many years earlier, c1840/50's.
Any other questions please don't hesitate.
Mike
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Sorry Carol - another small point, the name Cunliffe (or similar) MAY feature in this somewhere!
Mike
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Hello Mike, You do need a Parish.I would have thought this family would have been in the 1901 census.
There is just two Peter Molloys.
One. Parish Attymass.
Molloy Peter 40 farmer
Hanoria wife 36
Patrick 7yrs son
Michael 5yrs son
Thomas 3yrs son.
Two
Parish Achill
Peter 40 farmer
Catherine Wife 27yrs
John George 10yrs son
Peter 2yrs son
Margaret Callaghan 30yrs Visitor Married
Anthony Callaghan 6months Visitor.
The most useful information given in 1901-1911 is age,unfortunately,this also needs to be treated with caution .Of the two ,the 1901 seems to be the less accurate.Nonethe less,if used with caution,the returns do give a rough guide to age.
Always treat round age figures 40 50 60 etc with caution. maybe Peter Two was married twice. Lep
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Hi Leprechaun,
Many thanks for that, but now I'm going to sound REAL dumb!
Where can I find the census for Ireland???
I have Ancestry & Family Relatives etc. but none of these have Irish Census??
Having said that we seem to have made a little progress since last night.
Contrary to what we had been told previously from family legends it looks as though several of Peter Molloy's children were actually born near Barnsley, Yorkshire from about 1913 onwards thru to about 1924 to a mother maiden name Cunliffe.
The Patrick c1902 that we are looking for though does not SEEM to be in any English Birth Register, nor can we identify 3 more of his siblings in the English registers.
Equally we cannot find a marriage for Peter Molloy to a Cunliffe anywhere in England.
SO - our current assumption is that they married in Ireland, had a number of children before moving to England, possibly 1910 / 12 ish.
As you say, Peter may well have remarried but assuming at the moment that he didn't and that his wife was bearing children between 1902 &1924 it seems likely that she was born around about 1880, give or take a couple of years.
I've just ordered one of the Barnsley birth certificates to hopefully get the mothers full name and confirm that the father is indeed Peter.
Again, family legend has it that Peter & his wife actually stayed in Ireland, but then family legend had it that my own Great Grandfather was born in Ireland whereas he was actually born in Rotherham, Yorkshire to Irish parents whe met & married in Cheshire!
Regards,
Mike
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Hello Mike,Not a dumb question at all.The 1911 census for Mayo is not yet on line.
But the census for 1901. have a good look www.leitrim-roscommon.com
Put in Mayo There are other Molloys but if you put Peter it will only come up with Two.
One never know's something may jog a memory Lep
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Thanks Lep - got it!
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ANOTHER Update!
We now have a bit more information on this family.
It seems that despite what we were told the parents of Patrick Malloy 1902 didn't even meet until they were in England, let alone stay in Ireland!! AND they were originally in Lancashire, not Yorkshire at all.
The clincher was that the elderly Aunt remembered that Kitty (Kathleen) was married to Fred Handley, we found the marriage of Kathleen & Fred and Kathleen's birth cert gave us the parents!!
We have 3 more certificates on order, 1902 birth of Patrick Molloy (in Wigan, Lancs.), Marriage of Peter Molloy & Catherine Cunliffe 9pqtrick's parents) and birth of Catherine Cunliffe.
So now it is:-
Patrick born 1902 wigan, Lancs, son of Peter c1873 & Catherine (Cunliffe).
Their eldest son was Thomas cSept 1900.
So PRESUMABLY the father of Peter 1873 was a Thomas as well???
Marriage Cert should prove this when it arrives
So now it looks as though we need a Peter Malloy c 1873 with a Father named Thomas.
Unfortunately we have no geographical information other than a suspicion that the family originated in MAyo.
All the best
Mike
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You can't really assume that Peter's father was called Thomas just because Peter's eldest son was called Thomas. The marriage certificate will hopefully list the father's name.
Have you checked the census records for information on the family and to see when 'Ireland' appears as a birthplace?
This site has Wigan Cemetery burials:
http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/cemetery.php?opt=cemetery
Also lots of other links for Wigan area which might be useful.
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Many thanks for that.
I kno wthat at the moment the father being Thomas is very flaky, but as you say the certificate shouls give us the full name.
The first and only census we can find the family in for sure is the UK 1901 and that only says "Ireland", we suspect that we also have Peter in the 1891 but again it only says "Ireland" - very frustrating!
I'll certainly check the Wigan link, many thanks for that it was one I din't know about.
Regards
Mike
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This is the detail we obtained from the various certificates that have just arrived:-
Birth certificates
30 August 1879 at Lee's Back Houses off Belle Green Lane, Ince
Catherine Cunliffe dau of Michael lab at iron works and Mary nee Gavigan
2 March 1902 at 5 Francis Street, Ince
Patrick Malloy son of Peter lab at coke ovens and Catherine nee Cunliffe.
Marriage Cert
8 May 1899 at St Williams Catholic Church, Wigan, Lancs
Peter Molloy 26 bac general lab of 41 Longfield Street Aspull son of Patrick farmer
&
Catherine Cunniffe 21 sp of 10 Kirkless Lane Ince dau of Michael general lab
Wits: the mark of P..? Molloy (it's smudged so we can't see what the rest is) & Minnie Cone
So that blows one theory – Peter c1873 Ireland was the son of Patrick, not Thomas as we had suspected.
Encouragingly though all the age indicators for Peter keep pointing to 1873 quite consistently.
Is ANYONE please going to the Dublin records office to do a lookup for us PLEASE!
ALL expenses etc. gladly reimbursed, coffe + sticky bun included!
Mike
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Glad you got some new information from the certificates. This site might be useful when looking for the family in England:
www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.html
Trouble with searching indexes in Ireland (aside from the fact they aren't online or computerised yet) is that there could easily be more than one Peter Molloy born c1873 in Co. Mayo with father named Patrick. Mother's name (even just her Christian name) would help get the correct certificate. Have you tried looking for Patrick and wife ? and other relatives in England? Families often stayed near each for a generation or so.