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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: Paul Caswell on Thursday 29 May 08 20:00 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I just took delivery of 'Dorset Wills and Administrations 1568 - 1799' :)
There are some wills in there I would be interested in ordering a copy of the original. Where might I be able to find them?
I've looked in A2A and NA and cant find any references.
It does mention 'All now preserved at the Probate Registry, Blandford' but the document is dated 1900 so I suppose they're at Dorset Records Office. Am I right?
If anyone wants a lookup, post here. It just contains name, place and date for each will.
Paul
Added: Just as an update, Angela has generously also volunteered to lookup wills for you. She holds lists of wills for a period later than mine so we kind of work well together in one thread.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,307356.msg2845031.html#msg2845031
I would like to thank Angela for this work. Her input is as valued as mine on this thread.
ALSO: Please note this comment on one possible meaning of the "extra number" in the index reference I give you.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,307356.msg3196788.html#msg3196788
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I've found some of my Alner wills (from the Bere Regis area) in the Wiltshire records. I think Dorset is part of Salisbury diocese and so they have ended up at the new Wilts history centre. Several of my family's wills are already online at the Wilts record office website and I think more are going online as the project progresses. This is off the top of my head so I'll see if I can add a more detailed post later. :)
Fred
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Thanks Fred,
I've e-mailed Dorset records office to ask them. No answer yet.
Paul
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Hello Paul ... you could be useful !
Tell me, would the ordinary common or garden ag. lab. and his relatives have made wills, if they could even write ? I'm talking 1700 - 1800 here ... Would they have had anything to leave anyone, and wouldn't a mans wife or children just have inherited anything there was without a will ?
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Hi, the search page for the wills in the "Probate records of the Consistory Court of Salisbury" is at:
http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/heritage/wills_search.php
There are more than a dozen for my family in Dorset and it seems that around a quarter of the collection have so far been digitally recorded for the website, thanks to the lottery funding.
Fred :)
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Hello Paul ... you could be useful !
Tell me, would the ordinary common or garden ag. lab. and his relatives have made wills, if they could even write ? I'm talking 1700 - 1800 here ... Would they have had anything to leave anyone, and wouldn't a mans wife or children just have inherited anything there was without a will ?
Hi Lydart,
Forgive me for not responding, my notifications seem a little iffy right now.
To be honest I am no guru on wills. I think the one I found was unusual because there was trouble with one of the sons so the father had to make a will to ensure he didn't get anything. I would guess low paid workers are unlikely to deposit wills but that doesn't mean they didn't make them. I really don't know but don't give up trying. :)
Paul
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Fred... THANK YOU for that site ... I've found lots of people on it that I believe I can link in ...
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Hi Paul
Would you mind having a look for any RICE Wills in Dorset please.
Regards
Webby
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Gosh Webby! I am so sorry it took this long to reply. As I said earlier my notifications don't seem to be working.
Here's what I can find:
Rice, Reuben, Piddletown 35 1763
Rice, Reuben, Senr., Piddletown 8 1786
That's all I'm afraid.
If these are yours you can make contact with Dorset Records Office and ask them for copies. There is a charge but it is reasonable.
Paul
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Many Dorset wills from the part in the diocese of Salisbury are indeed at the new record off ice for Wiltshire in Chippenham. They go back a long way, 1587 is the earliest I've referred to!
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Paul
Not too much of a wish list I hope;
Plowman
Taunton
Gollop
I have found quite a few wills via the NA but a few key characters are missing.
Thanks
Stephen
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There are at least some Dorset Wills which did not go to Salisbury,e.g. the 1671 will of Osmond Luffman who died in Blandford Forum is deposited in Dorset archive. This will survived (with some charring at the edge!) the great fire of Blandford c 1731. So it is definitely worth looking directly.
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Hi Stephen,
Lots of Plowman's, a few Tauntons and Gollops:
Plowman, Hercules, Stalbridge 1742
Plowman, John, Sturminster Newton, 1724
Plowman, John, Tolpuddle 1768
Plowman, Robert, Fontmell A. 1686
Plowman, Robert, Weymouth A. 1793
Plowman, Thomas, - I. -
Plowman, Thomas, sen., Bryanston 1693
Plowman, James, Iwerne Minster 32 1672
Plowman, Thomas, Woodland in Horton 91 1734
Plowman, Thomas, H.M.S. "Prince Frederick" 51 1745
Plowman, Wm., Portesham 43 1747
Plowman, George, Lytchett Matravers 32 1758
Plowman, Robt., West Stour 71 1762
Plowman, Jas., East Orchard 45 1775
Andrews als. Plowman, Jane, Gussage All Saints 30 1709
Plowman, Benjamin, Dorchester 11 1669
Plowman, James, Iwerne Minster 47 1672
Plowman als. Hodder, Ann, Compton Abbas 22 1690
Plowman, Hercules, Sturminster Newton 51 1706
Plowman, Thomas, Ship "Eagle" 90 1707
Plowman als Andrews, Jane, Gussage All Saints 30 1709
Plowman, John, Hinton St. Mary 10 1758
Plowman, John, Sturminster Marshall, 28 May 1703
Plowman, William, Sturminster Marshall, 26 Jan, 1735
Plowman, George, Litchett Minster, 19 Dec, 1794, Inv.
Taunton, Thomasine, Weymouth A. 1693
Taunton, Alice, Weymouth, 85 1767
Taunton, John, Batcombe 4 1696
Gollop, Ann, Burstock 1688
Gollop, Benjamin, Upcerne A. 1693
Gollop, Maximillian, Dorchester 1719
Gollop, Richard, Stoke Abbas 1784
Gollop, Thomas, Stockland 49 1669
Gollop, Mary, Maiden Newton 35 1762
Gollop, Dorothy, Berwick 2 1773
Gollop, Mary, Melcombe Regis 19 1779
Gollop, Jane, Hook 30 1786
Gollop, John, Burstock 6 1682
Gollop als. Glisson, Elizabeth, Marnhull 33 1689
Gollop, Francis, Broadwinsor 14 1695
Gollop, Martha, Maiden Newton 16 1778
Hope some of them are yours. :)
Paul
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Paul
Thank you for your time and effort. Alas, no elusive names on the list. :(
Stephen
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Reference your question re Ag Labs leaving wills. I was gobsmacked to find 3 of my Ag Labs did in the 18th/19th Centuries. They only left a couple of sticks of furniture and a couple of pounds but bless them, they gave me leads to other family members - when I managed to get them deciphered!
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Even when no will is left, in the 17th century and earlier there are letters of administration and inventories, both of which can be very useful
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Hi Paul
Thank you for your kind offer
Could you check these please?
GALE Shipton Gorge and Burton Bradstock
STRICKLAND Shipton Gorge and Burton Bradstock
HAWKINS Shipton Gorge and Burton Bradstock
Many thanks
Jan ;)
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Hi Paul
Sorry to make more work for you but could you see if there's anything for the following names please:
Shave
Mear
Wear
Scott
All seem to be from the Hampreston/Longham area.
Thanks very much indeed
Kind regards
Kim
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Hi Paul
Thank you for your kind offer
Could you check these please?
GALE Shipton Gorge and Burton Bradstock
STRICKLAND Shipton Gorge and Burton Bradstock
HAWKINS Shipton Gorge and Burton Bradstock
Many thanks
Jan ;)
Hi Jan,
No Gales or Stricklands from these areas but there is:
Hawkins, Jas, Shepton Gorge 1763
Hawkins, Nicholas, Shepton Gorge 63 1764
Hawkins, John, sen., Shepton Gorge 57 1781
Paul
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Hi Paul
Sorry to make more work for you but could you see if there's anything for the following names please:
Shave
Mear
Wear
Scott
All seem to be from the Hampreston/Longham area.
Thanks very much indeed
Kind regards
Kim
Hi Kim,
No Shaves, Mears or Scotts from these areas.
There is however:
Wear, Edward, Hampreston 27 1731
Weare, Charles, Hampreston 14 1753
Good luck.
Paul
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Thank you so much Paul, not sure yet if they are 'mine' but at least another clue!
Kind regards
Kim
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Thank you Paul
As with Kim I have no idea if they are mine but it's another lead
Regards
Jan ;)
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Are there any LUFFMAN wills please?
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Hi Redroger,
Yes, just the one:
Archdeaconry Court
Luffman, Osmond, Blandford 4 1671
I hope it is of use.
Paul
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Thanks Paul, I already have this document; I have transcribed it and it is amazing. Firstly, it is one of the very few items of any description to have survived the devastating fire which ravaged Blandford in 1731. The document has obviously been salvaged from the flames, as there is not a complete line of text in it anywhere. The termination of every line is truncated to a less or greater extent. However I could make sense of it, and it enabled me to track my Luffman forebears from Wiltshire (Teffont Magna) into Dorset, apparently they were curriers, village carriers who moved from place to place. I still have a gap from Osmond's will (1671) to them reappearing at Oborne (1718), and then the probable baptism of my 2great grandfather John Luffman at Henstridge (Somerset) in 1777. I have been trying 13 years to confirm this is the baptism of my ancestor ; I am convinced of the link, but can't prove it. Ideally I was looking for another will.
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Hi Redroger,
There's an interesting passage in the document referring to the state of many of the documents:
When it is considered what vicissitudes the town of Blandford has witnessed, it is astonishing that so many documants are still in existence. Blandford has been consumed by fire, wholly or in part, no less than four times, namely, in 1579, 1677, 1713 an 1731; and in 1644 it was pillaged by the parliamentary forces under Major Sydenham. Again, as late as October, 1831, owing to the great excitement and agitation of the agricultural population of the town and neighboring villages against the employment of machinery on the farms, Blandford was in the hands of a mob for three days. Two of the principal solicitors' offices, namely, those of Mr. George Moore in Salisbury Street and of Mr. S. Smith in the Plocks, were ransacked, and books and papers strewn about the streets. Mr. S. Smith was Registrar of the Court of the ancient Diocese of Bristol at the time, and Wills and other records shared the fate of the books, etc., many now bearing evidence of having been trampled upon and trodden under foot in the mud. It is, therefore, scarcely to be wondered at that gaps and lacunae should occur in the testamentary documents of this Court.
We all must be grateful that so many have survived.
You've done amazingly well to trace the family out of Dorset. My oldest Dorset ancestor, George Stockley b1651(ish), may never reveal his parents. There are too many possibilities, including a 'Stockley' farm in Milton Abbas. I did find the will of his son Simon dated 1733 which was only written because his son John was being 'troublesome'. It doesn't say why but I think I can guess. :)
Paul
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Girls I would imagine!! That is very useful indeed Paul; I have just checked my copy of the will; it is a single sheet, and unfortunately much of the probatim has been lost, so I cannot say which solicitor had prior custody of it. Thanks again.
Roger
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Girls I would imagine!! ...
It was indeed - sort of. ;D
There is an accompanying letter written by the solicitor stating that the only reason the will was being registered was because of a 'troublesome' son.
... his widow
is hardly able to be at the expence
of taking out letters of administration
but she was forced to do it in order
to silence a very troublesome son
The will itself states in the main body that the property goes to Mary after his wife dies and that George gets the house.
... after her deces the goods and the
ener chamber is marys as long as she lives a
singel life
However, there is clearly a late addition at the end
the goods is marys
for ever after her
mothers deces
The will is dated just a few days before Simon was buried and Mary married two years later.
I guess John was crowing about Mary losing the house if she married so Simon put a stop to it, on his deathbed too I imagine. A wonderful insight. I am descended from John. ;D
Paul
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That certainly is Paul, I have several old Luffman wills still to transcribe, some of which include inventories, which usually go with letters of administration. They are later than Osmond's but one is from his brother who did have son's, Osmond only having daughters so I hope to be able to complete the lineage through him.
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Hi there,
If you have a mo would you be able to check for wills for:
CHALKER (Abbotsbury/Melbury Osmond/Melcombe Regis/Weymouth/Wyke Regis)
GLYDE & MORRIS (Sherborne)
PITMAN (Abbotsbury)
STROUD (Melcombe Regis/Radipole/Weymouth)
Very many thanks,
Ermy
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Hi Ermy,
Pitman, George - Melcombe Regis A. 1749 (Not Abbotsbury but I thought he may be connected)
Sorry, no other in those areas. There are some other Pitmans and Strouds but not many. No Chalkers or Glydes at all.
Good luck in your search.
Paul
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Thanks for the offer
Do you have any Lambert wills, esp Stourton Caundle or Buckland Newton?
Many Thanks
Bob
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Hi Bob,
Lambert, Thomas, Buckhorn Weston - 1782
Lambert, William, a sailor - 1760
Lambert Wm., East Orchard - 7 1568, 1638, 1659
Lambert, Scipio, Tarrant Monckton - 48 1664
Lambert, Charles, Buckhorn Weston - 13 1675
Lambert, Hugh, Buckhorn Weston - 13 1675
Lambert, William, Tarrant Rushton - 61 1675
Lambert, Thomas, Sturton Caundle - 33 1689
Lambert, Wm., East Orchard - 31 1689
Lambert, John, Lidlinch - 35 1695
Lambert, Henry, _____ - 23 1696
Lambert, John, Long Critchell - 25 1703
Lambert, Martin, East Orchard - 17 1703
Lambert, Nicholas, _____ - 28 1704
Lambert, William, Twyford in Compton Abbas - 40 1710
Lambert, Dinah, _____ - 47 1712
Lambert, Bernard, Hinton St. Mary - 19 1717
Lambert, Stephen, Fifehead Neville - 10 1724
Lambert, Joseph, East Orchard - 24 1725
Lambert, John, Witchampton - 74 1730
Lambert, Elizabeth, Lidlinch - 25 1740
Lambert, Joseph, Sturminster Newton - 46 1643
Lambert, Daniel, Wimborn All Saints and St. Giles - 68 1750
Lambert, William, Okeford Fitzpaine - 45 1761
Lambert, James, Shapwick - 48 1771
Lambert, John, Blandford - 19 1777
Lambert, John, Shaston - 47 1778
Lambert, Grace, Wareham - 62 1786
Lambert, Eleanor, Dorchester - 6 1776
Lambert, Ann, Tarrant Monkton - 25 1785
Lambert, John, Lydlinch - 27 1661
Lambert, Martin, East Orchard - 40 1684
Lambert als. Woodford, John, (? Joan) Monkton - 37 1686
Lambert, Richard, Tarrant Rushton - 56 1688
Lambert, Thomas, Witchampton - 103 1695 :o
Lambert, Richard, Hinton St. Mary - 27 1706
Lambert, William, Hinton Martell - 29 1731
Lambert, Thomas, Sturminster Newton - 25 1743
Testator, Will dated, Proved, Grantee
Lambert, Richard, 8 Aug 1723, 1 Feb 1724, Mary Harvey
Lambert, Robert, 3 July 1729, 5 Dec 1729, Ann Lambert
Lambert, Richard, 23 Jul 1752, 25 Jan 1753, Mary Hart and Jane Reeks
Lambert, Richard, 11 Feb 1756, 11 Jul 1765, Robt. Hart and Isaac Willis
Lambert, Catherine, 19 Feb 1785, 7 Jan 1787, Netlam and Edwd. Tory
Hope someone here is of interest.
Paul
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Thanks, Paul, nevermind - my lot were obviously peasants!
ERmy
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Paul ... I never thanked you for your comments before ... ::)
I was wondering if any of my ag lab's did indeed leave wills ... so are there any for Sturney/Sturmey (Hinton Martell area); Prince (Manswood/Witchampton) or White or Adams, Moor Crichel area ?? All around 1750 - 1800 (or before !)
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Hy Lydart,
Sturmy, Mary, Weymouth - 73 1782
Sturney, John, Long Critchell - 42 1739
Prince, Harry, Witchampton - 101 :o 1691
Some more Prince's but no more from Manswood or Witchampton.
Not placed but may be recognisable:
Name, Date, Grantee
Prince, Richard, 18 Feb 1705, Dorothy Prince
White, Edw., Moor Critchell - A. 1688
White, Henry, Moore Critchell - A. 1696
No Adams' in Moor Critchel I'm afraid.
I do hope Harry Prince was one of yours. :)
Paul
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Though I haven't found any yet for Ag Labs in my family, it is well documented that they did in fact leave wills. The yeoman farmer class certainly did, as did millers etc.
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Thank you VERY much Paul ... I'll check those out !
I do hope Prince Harry is one of mine !
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Paul,
Could I impose on you took look for a couple of my ancestors please?
They are:-
Edward Stoodley (Studlley, Stoodly) Swanage or there abouts
Mary Stoodley (Studley, Stoodly) Swanage "
Thanks
Alan
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Thanks for the Lamerts- need time to review these
Bob
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Hi Alan,
There is an Edward Stoodley from Swanage! :)
Stoodley, Edward, Swanage - 45 1789
No sign of Mary though.
I hope he's yours.
Paul
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Hi Paul
Could I possibly impose for a lookup please?
Any Goreing or Goring(e)s at all.
Also any Archer, particularly in the Devizes area please.
Thanks
Nicola
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Hi Nicola,
Sorry but not a single Gor(i/e)ng(e) to be found.
Surprisingly, just one Archer, sadly unplaced:
Name, Date, Grantee
Archer, Judith, 5 Jun 1716, John Gerrard
Paul
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Paul,
Thank for that. :) I'll follow up on it.
Alan
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Hi Paul
Thanks for that.
Nicola
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Hi, could you please see if there is anything for the Manuel or Homer families from the Almer/Mapperton/WinterborneZelston area from late 1600s to early 1800s. I am having particular trouble sorting out three Richard Manuels in Winterborne Zelston in the mid 1700s.
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Hi row666, and welcome to RootsChat. :)
Unplaced but it is a Richard:
Name, Date, Grantee
Manuel, Richard, 21 Dec 1763, Robert Manuel
Nothing in these areas for Homer I'm afraid.
Good luck in your searches. :)
Paul
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Hello Paul
Could I impose on your kind offer please?
Are there any wills for HOARE or GUBBINS around Canford Magna and Hampreston/Stapehill? The Hoares were Yeoman farmers in Canford Magna up to about 1800, after that their families spread out to Hampreston.
As to Ag Labs etc leaving wills.... I have one from Cambridgeshire where he left 10 acres of Common Land to his wife and sons. I presume that he had been granted rights over those 10 acres and if he didn't will them to someone they reverted back to "normal" Common Land or back to the landowner. It didn't give me any extra info that I didn't already know but it was interesting to see it none the less.
Thanks
Brenda
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Hi Brenda,
Just three Hoare's, but sadly none in your areas.
Hoare, Edward, ???, 37, 1663
Hoare, Grace, Stockland, 68, 1764
Hoare, Joseph, Tolpuddle, 34, 1788
Not a single Gubbins I'm afraid. :( Lovely name though.
Paul
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Worth a try, thanks for looking. I like the Gubbins name too, not one you hear of these days.
Brenda
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Hi
Would love any info on wills for the Prince family of Gussage All Saints or the Fry family of Bloxworth.
Many thanks,
Mark
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Hi Mark,
Prince, Richard, Gussage All Saints, 31 1780
No Fry's from Bloxworth I'm afraid.
Paul
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Another request if I may?
Dawbeny/Dawbeney/Daubeney and probably a few more variations upon that.
Main area of interest Gorwell and Winterborne Steepleton.
Thanks.
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Hi Stephen,
All I could find.
Dawbeny, George, esq., Caundle Bishop 18 1774
Daubeny, Mary, Caundle Bp. 21 1751
None that I can find in your areas of interest. Sorry. :(
Paul
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Paul
Thanks again for your time.
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There are some other Pitmans and Strouds but not many.
Paul
Hi Paul,
Can I trouble you again - is there by any chance a William Pitman (not before 1744, when he married, but not sure when he died, sorry) or any Strouds (or variant spellings Strode/Strood/Strowd etc) for Bradford Peverell/Dorchester on the disc?
Many thanks,
Ermy
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Hi Ermy,
There's a:
Pitman, William, ------ 1747
and a little less likely:
Pitman, William, Blandford 1 1772
and
No., Testator, Dated, Proved, Grantee
26, Pitman (William), 22 Nov 1794, 22 Jan 1796, William Pitman
27, Pitman (William), 14 Jan 1811, 8 Oct 1813, Edw. White and Daniel Goodeve
Of your Strouds:-
Stroud, John, Dorchester 14 1673
Strode, Philip, Bradford Peverel 16 1739
There are a couple of unplaced Strowds:
Strowde, John, Adm. 1580
Strowde, William, Account 1581
Also on your Strouds ... I found this which intrigued me. What a wonderful name:
Stroud, Sagweridy, Warnwell 82 1733
Paul
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Wow, that's great, thanks Paul. The one that I really want to get my hands on is Philip Strode's of Bradford Peverell - but he's not listed on the Wiltshire & Swindon Wills catalogue. Did you ever get an answer from Dorset RO about where the wills on the CD are held, this one doesn't seem to be on their catalogue either?
Sagweridy??!! Rather you, than me!
Ermy
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Hi Ermy,
The only will that related to me was found for me by the DRO in Dorchester. I may not have gone through the normal channels (I probably didn't know them at the time). I seem to remember I just e-mailed them, they looked for it and found it. I didn't know there was a catalogue.
Perhaps someone else will know the best route. I seem to have mislaid the e-mail thread. I'd just find the most appropriate looking contact on their website, e-mail them and ask. Knowing exactly what you are looking for is a great help to them.
Paul
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I notice a mention of Blandford, I have the will of Osmond Luffman dated 1671 made in Blandford shortly before his death. Details were given to me by an American cousin from a document called extract from the original record (or similar). As the will pre dates the Blandford fire I feel that there may be other documents held by DRO which do not appear in their catalogues. I also believe that many archives have documents acquired before wide spread computer usage which even now are not always included in the published records.
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Thanks guys, I've contacted Dorset RO and they do indeed have the 1739 will of Philip Strode (hooray!) on microfilm.
Ermy ;D
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Good to know Ermy ;D Do let us know when it arrives. :)
Interesting thought Redroger, the more documents that survived the Blandford 'vicissitudes' the better.
Paul
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Just spotted Pauls' Amey's ... I've got them in Dorset ... so I suppose no link, but its an unusual name !
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Hi Lydart,
Probably no connection but I do seem to recall a 'possible' census hit in Dorset for one of my Haverill Ameys, sadly I can't find them now. I'll bear you in mind next time this link turns up.
Meanwhile, here's a coincidence: :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=405893.new#new
Paul
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So it is !
My Amey is Charles, b. around 1835 - 1840, Wimbourne, m. one of my Trowbridges ... and none of the subsequent children were Harry or Henry !
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Hello Lydart
I have just seen your post re Amey. It is quite possible they are related. I notice names Harry, Charles David & George are prominent among the early genaration of Ameys in Australia!!!
Regards to you,
Marg.
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Hello Paul
I've only just found this thread and wondered if you'd mind checking if there were any Beers in the Stockland area or any Virgin/Vergin etc anywhere at all (but particularly around Stockland). I know Beer is a very common name in Dorset so if there's loads, please don't feel obliged to list them ;D
I really appreciate your very kind offer!
Angela
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Hi Angela,
Always fun to do the search. :)
Beer
Not too many Beer's. :D Sadly none from Stockland.
Beer, Elizabeth - 1741
Beer, Elizabeth, Longbredy - A. 1748
Beer, James, Froome St. Quentin - 1745
Beer, John, Evershott - 1708
Beer, Martha, Weymouth - 1770
Beere, Samuel - 1705
Beer, Francis, Long Bredy - 41 1725
Beere, Alice, Chideock - 11 1703
Beere, Edward, Loders - 33 1704
Beere, John, Bridport - 10 1728
Beer, Richard, Broadwinsor - 13 1692
Beer, John, Chalbury - 27 1681
Beer, John, Arne - 1 1756
Beer, Henry, Chaldon Herring - 14 1761
Beer, Hannah, Weymouth - 41 1762
Virgins
Virgin, William, Wooton Glanville - 75 1753
Virgin, Catherine, Glanvilles Wooton - 23 1760
Virgin, Francis, Bowbridge in Handley - 11 1681
Virgin, John, Chideock - 8 1751
Do let me know if any are in your line.
Paul
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Hi Paul
Thank you so much for that! I don't recognise any of them, but then I wouldn't since I'm stuck at around 1785 and these are earlier ::)
A few of them look really promising though, so I shall try emailing the DRO about them. It would be SO good to get back before 1785 ;D
I shall let you know what happens.
Thanks again
Angela
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I should perhaps mention that I've got an index for Dorset PCC Wills and Administrations 1821 to 1858, if anyone wants a lookup for a later period.......
Angela
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I should perhaps mention that I've got an index for Dorset PCC Wills and Administrations 1821 to 1858, if anyone wants a lookup for a later period.......
Angela
Thanks for the generous offer. :D
Any Stockleys Angela? There may be loads, there were a lot of them. Corfe Castle particularly. If there are too many let me know and I'll give you a list of names I am particularly interested in.
Paul
Added: James Stockley 1822-1855 or John Stockley 1756-1838 would be of special interest.
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Hi Angela
Thanks for your kind offer. Assuming this isn't going to get too confusing with two people looking up on the same thread .....
Thomas Gale died Shipton Gorge April 1858,
so may scrape into your index
Many thanks
Jan ;)
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Hi Paul & Jan
I suppose it could be confusing - perhaps I'll start a new thread! Anyway, I looked for Stockleys and there weren't any at all, or anything like it :( Sorry about that Paul.
There were several Thomas Gales but they died well before 1858, so no luck there either, Jan. I did have a quick look in the Death Duty lists and found that your Thomas did indeed leave a will. I'm useless at interpreting the entries in the index, so someone else might need to help with that unless you already know, of course! The entry said -
(Testator) Gale Thomas (Residence) Shipton Gorge, Dorset (Executor) James S Gale op (or ap - It seems to be the executor's residence where sometimes a place name is given and sometimes this abbreviation) (Court) PR (Register) 1 (Folio) 293
Given that he died in the crossover period of 1858, I'd be tempted to send off to York for the will and keep my fingers crossed ;D
I looked for your Stockleys in the Death Duty index as well, Paul but no luck there either
Regards
Angela
Angela
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Thanks for checking Angela. We must leave no stone unturned. :)
Paul
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Just spotted Pauls' Amey's ... I've got them in Dorset ... so I suppose no link, but its an unusual name !
I have posted an answer to someone who is researching Amey. Dont know if it is Paul? There are loads of them from Sudbury to Marylebone to Somerset. Mainly Blandford,Wimborne,Fordingbridge,Christchurch,Weymouth.
marcie have listed them within their years from 1830/1840 within their qtrs vol and page. If anyone wants these can list.
marcie
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Thanks for looking Angela.
As you say I shall need to send to York - only a fiver to be lost!
Jan ;)
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I think you can also get the entry from the main death duty register (IR26) from the National Archives, using the register and folio numbers given in their index, but I must say I've never tried it. The NA documentation on this is extremely unclear but it seems to say that information not found on the will itself can often be held in this main register. I wonder if it's worth emailing them to ask how much a copy of the register entry would be ???
If only I had ancestors rich enough to leave wills, I might be able to find out for myself ;D
Good luck
Angela
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Hi Angela
Like you I am completely mystified by the Death Duty registers and how to obtain the full info. In theory the ref from the index can be turned into an IR26 ref but it doesn't work, gives entirely the wrong years when I've tried. Without a specific ref the NA will no longer copy documents :(
The Probate office are very helpful and don't require a ref just dates, so I hope they hold Thomas will.
Hope you eventually find some wills for your ancestors, they can be very illuminating.
Cheers
Jan ;)
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Good to know Ermy ;D Do let us know when it arrives. :)
Interesting thought Redroger, the more documents that survived the Blandford 'vicissitudes' the better.
Paul
Are we talking Judge Jeffreys?
marcie
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Not in my case, I have discovered a family will dated 1671 which survived the great fire of Blandford in 1731. It is suitably charred around the edges. Interesting to know just what did survive, though I believe it was very little.
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Hello
I would appreciate a look up for VACHER in Milton Abbas area. Of special interest is Andrew Vacher died 1830 but earlier ones could be very useful.
Regards,
Fairlane
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Hi Fairlane,
Vacher, Wm., Milton Abbas - A. 1745
Vacher, John, Piddletrenthide - 24 1738
That's all the Vacher wills recorded.
Paul
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The only Vacher will recorded in the 1821 to 1858 index is -
VACHER/VATCHER Richard 1847 Jun Milton Abbas W 536 Hurdle maker (otherwise VECHER)
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Many thanks Paul and Angela for such quick replies. None of these are immediately relevant but I will make a note and they may prove useful as I progress.
In appreciation,
Fairlane
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Thank you for the wills link. Quite a suprising outcome. :)
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Hello all :)
I stumble across this thread and was hoping to get some information on Samuel Heckford (or his name could have been mis spelt Hickford)
The only record I can find on him is a probate index which say this:-
Text: Heckford, Samuel, Mariner 26 1776
Collection: Dorset: - Wills and Administrations
would this 'Dorset: - Wills and Administrations' be the book that Paul has?
All the Best
Matt
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Hi Matt,
Sadly there are no wills in the index, just index entries, and yes, your Samuel is in it. The reference gives you little more than you already have:
Heckford, Samuel, Mariner - 26 1776
I am not sure what the "26" means as there is no header to that column. It may well be a useful reference code when you order it from the Dorset Records Office. They are very helpful.
The one will I ordered was absolutely fascinating and well worth the small cost.
Paul
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would this 'Dorset: - Wills and Administrations' be the book that Paul has?
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Yes it is, but I have it in PDF format so I can search it quite easily.
Paul
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Hi Matt,
Sadly there are no wills in the index, just index entries, and yes, your Samuel is in it. The reference gives you little more than you already have:
Heckford, Samuel, Mariner - 26 1776
I am not sure what the "26" means as there is no header to that column. It may well be a useful reference code when you order it from the Dorset Records Office. They are very helpful.
The one will I ordered was absolutely fascinating and well worth the small cost.
Paul
Thanks for the quick reply Paul :)
I'm planing on going down to Dorchester tommorrow and take a look. Never been there before so should be interesting hopefully.
This may sound a liitle stupid, but I just want to make sure. That '1776' is an index number? And not a year of death or something. Its the first time I have come across this probate thing.
All the Best
Matt
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Hi Matt,
I'm quite sure the 1776 is the year.
Good luck in Dorchester. I've never made the trip myself. One day I will. :)
Paul
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Hi Paul, I've just noticed this thread, and wondered if you wouldn't mind having a look to see if there are any testators named GRANDY (Or possibly GRUNDY) listed in your book?
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Sorry Gallium, no Grandy's or Grundy's. :(
Paul
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Thank you for looking :) .
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Hi Gallium
No Grandy's or Grundy's in the 1821 to 1858 index either, sorry. There's a batch of Gundry's though - could your people have had that spelling? They're mainly from Bridport
Angela
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Thank you for taking the trouble to look, Angela. The Grandy family I am interested in go back to a James Grandy c1599-1689, who lived in Poole. His son and grandson were both named William, and lived in Longburton.
I have the will of the younger William, whose sons died without issue. (I am descended from one of his daughters). I would have expected there to be wills of James and William senior, but I don't know where they might be.
There are later Grandys in Dorset, in Sixpenny Handley, but not my direct line. I don't think Gundry would be the same name, but you never know.
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Hi Matt,
I'm quite sure the 1776 is the year.
Good luck in Dorchester. I've never made the trip myself. One day I will. :)
Paul
Hi Paul
Just thought I'd let you know that I have spent the day at the records office in Dorchester. Fantastic day! Found out quite a fair bit. Think I'm going to be going there pretty often now :)
You were right the 1776 was the year and the 26 was the 26th entry for that year. It wasn't a will but what they call a Administration. It also turn out that it wasn't the Samuel I was after but a Samuel from later on in the family.
I had a bit of bad news, I found out that all the parish records from Bere Regis before 1788 were lost in a fire (really beginning to get fed up with fire lol). However there are some records for for the parish that were in the Bishops Transcripts.
If anyone has thought about going to the records place in Dorcester but has been unsure about it, I would say go, They are really friendly there and are a massive help. And the amount of info they have there is amazing. And best of all its free! Wish I had gone years ago now.
Dorset History Centre
Bridport Road
Dorchester
Dorset
DT1 1RP
All the Best
Matt
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I'm glad you enjoyed it Matt. ;D
And thanks for the snippet about the other number. I didn't know that.
Paul
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Sounds like a great visit, Matt - I just wish Dorchester was nearer than the 'over 3 hours' trip that it is from me :'(
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Don't despair over lost records due to fires! I have connections with Blandford Forum, described as totally destroyed in 1731 with the loss of all records; except that it isn't true. Some stuff has survived and some of it is in Dorchester Record Office; I have a copy of the will of Osmond Luffman of Blandford dated 1671 which by the charred state of its right hand edge, not a single line is complete apart from the signatures and witnesses bottom left, has clearly survived a major burning. Osmond also features in the Protestation Return of 1645 held at the National Archive. These two survivals indicate that however total destruction is dispersal of records ensures something survives, so don't despair on Bere Regis!
More importantly will access to archives survive the coming slash and burn in local government>
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In response to Jan, I've just created an index of IR26 references (which cover period 1796-1903) laboriously copied from TNA's website. They are on microfilm mostly at the National Archives up to 1857. Ones from 1857-1903 are big heavy volumes which can be ordered in advance.
Here is the link to the index of references (does NOT contain family history data or images):
http://www.haine.org.uk/wills/IR26_catalogue.htm
Hope this is helpful to you and others
David
Posted by: janan Posted on: Sunday 15 November 09 19:42 GMT (UK)
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Hi Angela
Like you I am completely mystified by the Death Duty registers and how to obtain the full info. In theory the ref from the index can be turned into an IR26 ref but it doesn't work, gives entirely the wrong years when I've tried. Without a specific ref the NA will no longer copy documents
The Probate office are very helpful and don't require a ref just dates, so I hope they hold Thomas will.
Hope you eventually find some wills for your ancestors, they can be very illuminating.
Cheers
Jan
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Hello Paul,
You have put in some sterling efforts for others which I am sure is appreciated.
I am helping a friend in Canada with her family history. I wonder if you could look up any wills for GUY? They lived mainly in Sturminster Newton.
Many thanks in advance, Josey
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Hi Josey
In the index from 1821 to 1858 there are 5 GUY wills, as follows:
By Walter (sic) 1837 Aug Wimborne Minster W 601 Victualler & Yeoman
John 1854 Aug Beaminster W 611 Yeoman
Mary 1822 Jun Sturminster Newton A Widow
Mary 1852 Oct Sturminster Newton W 762 Spinster
William 1844 Apr Shaftesbury W 296 Silversmith
Paul has the earlier index, so I'm sure he'll check that for you.
Good luck :)
Angela
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Those are really helpful, thank you very much for looking & posting Angela.
Josey
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In response to Jan, I've just created an index of IR26 references (which cover period 1796-1903) laboriously copied from TNA's website. They are on microfilm mostly at the National Archives up to 1857. Ones from 1857-1903 are big heavy volumes which can be ordered in advance.
Here is the link to the index of references (does NOT contain family history data or images):
http://www.haine.org.uk/wills/IR26_catalogue.htm
Hope this is helpful to you and others
David
Posted by: janan Posted on: Sunday 15 November 09 19:42 GMT (UK)
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Hi Angela
Like you I am completely mystified by the Death Duty registers and how to obtain the full info. In theory the ref from the index can be turned into an IR26 ref but it doesn't work, gives entirely the wrong years when I've tried. Without a specific ref the NA will no longer copy documents
The Probate office are very helpful and don't require a ref just dates, so I hope they hold Thomas will.
Hope you eventually find some wills for your ancestors, they can be very illuminating.
Cheers
Jan
Hi David
Welcome to Rootschat :D
Thank you for the information and the link - very helpful. An amazing job you've done.
Cheers
Jan ;)
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... I wonder if you could look up any wills for GUY? They lived mainly in Sturminster Newton.
Hi josey,
Guy is quite a common name in Dorset. I have some in my tree. :) This is the only "Sturminster Newton" Guy in the index.
Guy, Alexander, Sturminster Newton - 66 - 1756
I hope he is your friend's. If you have another village name do post again.
Paul
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Thank you so much Paul. My friend has an Alexander Guy born 1697 died 1756 so definitely worth sending off for.
Your help is much appreciated, both sides of the Altlantic.
Josey
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Dear Paul,
I came across this thread when looking for info re Dorset Wills. I know it is a bit old but I was hoping you could give me some advice. I have been researching my own Marsh line mainly in Beaminster but lately Loders. I have never tracked wills before as I felt my forebears were too poor to leave anything! However, looking on Ancestry I saw a reference....Marsh, John of Loaders (sic) 10 1708 Burials Dorset Wills and Administrations. I was wondering if your source mentioned any wills for Marsh in Loders or Beaminster and if so, how I could chase up copies of the originals.
Thanks, I am in Australia so any help appreciated.
Robarsh
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Hi Robarsh,
There is this interesting one:
Lodder, Robt., Margaret Marsh - 1708
I can confirm that there is a will:
Marsh, John, Loaders - 10 1708
There is also:
Marsh, Henry, Loders - 17 1720
Marsh, Catherine, Loders - 39 1680
Marsh, Elizabeth, Loders - 10 1732
Marsh, John, Loders - 22 1747
I would suggest you get in contact with the Dorset Record Office and arrange for a copy of any you are interested. In my experience the copies aren't very good but you can arrange the whole thing online which is a bonus.
This should be a good start:
http://www.dorsetforyou.com/dorsethistorycentre
Good luck ... and let us know how it all goes.
Paul
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Dear Paul,
thanks so much for prompt reply. I have just emailed DRO.
Re the first one...
Lodder, Robt.., Margaret Marsh 1708...do you think this was a Robert Lodder,or a Robert Marsh of Loders?
Also, were there no Marsh wills from Beaminster?
Thanks again.
Rgds Robarsh
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Hi Robarsh,
I clearly wasn't thinking on the first one. That now looks to me to be a Robert Lodder from Margaret Marsh. Forgive me for distracting you.
There are only four wills recorded from Beaminster and none of those are Marsh. Perhaps many of them have not survived or there just weren't many to start with.
There are other Marsh wills, I have only listed those recorded from Loders.
Paul
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Hi,
Just wondered if there were a chance the family moved to Hampshire as my husbands family heritage is a John Marsh married to a Betsy Warren in Portsea. ~They had at least 10 children most of whom survived passed the age of 9. Two were killed during the war WW1 and at least one moved to Australia then NewZealand.
marcie
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Dear Paul & Angela,
This is my first time on Rootschat and I've just come across this thread & wondered if either of you can help me.
I am searching for wills for the following surnames in the Blackmore Vale Area in Dorset (North & North West of Blandford)
Arnold
Dennis / Denis / Denness etc.
Hardy / Hardey
Pike
Snook / Snooke / Snoke / Snock etc.
Wareham / Warham
Woolfrey / Woolfreys / Woolfry / Wolfry etc.
Would you be so kind to check your records for me?
Any leads would be really helpful.
Thanking you in anticipation...
Vanessa
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Hi Vanessa and welcome to RootsChat,
Arnold, Edith, Okeford Fitzpaine - 1682
Arnold, Tristram, Child Okeford - 14 1674
Hardy, Ann, Okeford Fitzpaine - A. 1780
Hardy, Joseph, Okeford Fitzpaine - 33 1787
Snook, Edward, Fifehead Magdalen - 23 1678
Snooke, Sarah, Kington Magna - 9 1776
Snooke, John, Stour Provost - 1752
Snook, Grace, West Stour - 43 1686
Snook, Edward, Fifehead Magdalen - 23 1678
I hope some of these are of interest. If you have a specific village or a specific first name it may be easier to find a few more.
Paul
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Hi Vanessa
I'd like to echo Paul's welcome to RootsChat! You should find it a really useful site :)
I'm not very familiar with the area of Dorset you mention, so I may not have got all the relevant entries, but here goes -
Arnold, Edward, 1824 Oct Sturminster Newton , A, servant bachelor, first grant July 1819
Snook, Edith 1823 Dec Manston, W 714, Widow
Snook, Henry, 1826 Feb Hazelbury Bryan, W 166 Yeoman
Snook, James, 1839 Mar Stour Provost, W 186 Gentleman
Snook, Jane, 1855 May Stour Provost, W 452 Spinster
Wareham, Robert, 1851 Feb Stourpaine, W 169 Bricklayer
There are several more Arnolds in Puddletown, Poole and Yetminster
The only Dennises were Wyke Regis and Weymouth
Lots of Hardys all over the place but not, I think, your valley
Pikes in Canford Magna, Bridport and Church Knowle
The only Wolfry or similar were around Poole.
Hope there may be something of interest amongst these but please do come back to us if there are specific people, dates or villages of interest so we can double check.
Best wishes
Angela
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Many thanks to both Paul & Angela,
There are definitely a couple which may be mine & certainly worth looking into.
Also thanks for the warm welcome.
Regards
Vanessa
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It's a pleasure Vanessa, and please let us know if you find something. :)
Paul
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Hi paul, angela
i wondered weather you may have any info on Prince from sixpenny handley and blandford forum.
many thanks in advance
kim
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Hi Kim,
Prince, John, Sixpenny Handley A. & W. - 1788
Prince, William, Handley - 1729
Prince, Wm., sen., Handley - 26 1760
and an intriguing ...
Prince, Lawr., Tarrant Rushton - 1773
... Tarrant Rushton is not far from Sixpenny Handley so Google tells me.
Paul
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... and any Princes from More/Moor Crichel or the Gussages please ?
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Hi Lydart,
Apart from the above there is also :-
Prince, Mary, Weymouth - A. 1699 {Twice}
Prince, Wm., Moor Critchel - 43 1737
Prince, Richard, Gussage All Saints - 31 1780
Prince, Harry, Witchampton - 101 1691
I hope this is encouraging. :)
Paul
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Hi Vanessa and welcome to RootsChat,
Arnold, Edith, Okeford Fitzpaine - 1682
Arnold, Tristram, Child Okeford - 14 1674
Hardy, Ann, Okeford Fitzpaine - A. 1780
Hardy, Joseph, Okeford Fitzpaine - 33 1787
Snook, Edward, Fifehead Magdalen - 23 1678
Snooke, Sarah, Kington Magna - 9 1776
Snooke, John, Stour Provost - 1752
Snook, Grace, West Stour - 43 1686
Snook, Edward, Fifehead Magdalen - 23 1678
I hope some of these are of interest. If you have a specific village or a specific first name it may be easier to find a few more.
Paul
Vanessa forgive me,
I completely missed out "Wolfrey" ...
Woolfrey, Roger, Milton Abbas - 40 1762
Woolfreys, Thomas, Chaldon Herring - 20 1690
Woolfreys, Henry, East Lulworth - 19 1760
Woolfreys, John, East Lulworth - 27 1761
Woolfreys, Thomas, Winterborne Whitchurch - 84 1775
Woolfry, Ann, West Lulworth - 28 1763
Still looking.
Paul
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Dear Paul & Angela,
I am very new to Rootschat and hoped that you would be able help me.
CHUBB,
CHICK,
GALE,
COURTNEY
CLOTHIER,
LANKSHEAR
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you
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Hi Kim and Lydart
The only PRINCE wills listed in the whole of Dorset between 1821 and 1858 were probably not yours, but I'll list them just in case you recognise any -
PRINCE Charles 1830 Dec Blandford Forum W 720 Bricklayer & Storeman
PRINCE Stephen 1830 Oct Blandford Forum W 616 Stonemason
Regards
Angela
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Hello tnorbury and welcome to RootsChat :)
In Dorset between 1821 and 1858 there were no COURTNEYs, one CLOTHIER and one LANKSHEAR and loads of the others. Starting with the easy ones -
CLOTHIER Jane 1839 Mar Hermitage W 149 widow
LANKSHEAR James 1835 Jul Hooke A labourer
Regarding GALE, CHUBB and CHICK, have you a particular area for any of them to try to narrow it down a bit?
regards
Angela
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Thanks Paul ...and Angela ...
I've made a note of them and will investigate further.
I think the More Crichel one must be one of mine, but I'll check ...
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Angela,
Thank you for your quick reply.
I will sit down later today and give you the information requested. One of our biggest issue has been working out which people belong to us as there has been often multiple people with the same name born in a similar time frame.
Thank you
Trudy
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Hi Trudy,
If you can give us approximate areas that will help. Going on past experience, Paul's list is probably going to be even longer than mine, so he'll probably appreciate it too.
Hope you're finding RootsChat useful - most people on here are friendly and get a real kick out of helping :)
Angela
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Thank you angela for the info.
much apprecited. i don't think they are my princes but have noted the details anyway.
also many thanks to paul.the sixpenny handley ones look good
cheers
kim
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Hi Angela,
It is very likely that LANKSHEAR James is related to us, as we have a James Lankshear born in Hooke in 1834, maybe a nephew.
The furthest we have gone back on the GALES is Robert GALE who married Elizabeth, their children Simon bp 7 Nov 1762, John bp 7 Mar 1764, Richard bp 15 Sep 1765 and Thomas bp 30 Nov 1766 were born in North Poorton. My grandfather Arthur Reginald was born in 1971 in Puncknowle, all the generations in between were born in North Porton.
On the Chubbs the furthest we have gone back in Henry Chubb married to Elizabeth Pook on 17 April 1720. They were married in Allington, Dorset where they had their children. The next generation was in Symondsbury, the next in Whitchurch Cananicorum, then in Chideock, then in Beaminster, back to Symondsbury, back to Beaminster, then in Bridport. That brings me to my great grandmother Bessie Annie Chubb b 1889 born in Symondsbury who married James Henry Chick in 1908.
On the Chick side the people of most interest Sarah Chick buried 12 Jan 1849 in Beaminster, James Henry Chick who was born 11 February 1885 in Marshwood near Nethbury and his parents James born 1860 and Mary Chick.
Thank you so much. I am so far really enjoying rootschat, I am very pleased I found it.
Trudy
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Hi Trudy
Thanks for the extra information! Looking at GALEs within striking distance of North Poorton, we have -
GALE David 1846 Feb Bradpole W 107 Mason
GALE John 1843 Jun Netherbury W 401 Yeoman
GALE Mary 1842 May Stoke Abbott W 332 Widow of Thomas
GALE Robert 1854 Aug Chideock W 613 Yeoman
GALE Thomas 1830 Jan Allington W 025 Brickmaker
GALE Thomas 1840 Jun Stoke Abbott A Yeoman
GALE Thomas 1842 May Stoke Abbott A Yeoman 1st grant Jun 1840
then CHUBBs - only one really anywhere near but I've included the next nearest just in case -
CHUBB Hannah 1851 Jan Evershot A Spinster
CHUBB John 1851 Jan Evershot A Bachelor
CHUBB William 1831 Sep Beaminster W 507 Yeoman
CHUBB William 1851 Jan Evershot A Husband of Ann
(I think the Evershot CHUBBs aren't yours but I am very curious as to why they all appear to have died simultaneously!)
and finally CHICKs-
CHICK Eliza 1846 May Bridport W 330 Widow
CHICK George Cleeves 1837 Dec Bridport W 824 Grocer
CHICK Jenny 1829 Mar Loders A Widow
CHICK Joseph 1843 Jan Askerswell W 013 Yeoman
CHICK William 1825 Sep Bridport W 476 Grocer
CHICK William 1829 Aug Bridport W Grocer W.re. 1825 - 476
CHICK William 1833 Sep Bridport W 563 Spirit Merchant & Lieut. RN
Hopefully, Paul may be able to find some of your family before 1821, which is when my list starts.
Hope this is of some use, and best wishes in your searches
Angela
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Hi Trudy,
I'm afraid I have no Lankshear's or Clothiers so I guess they came from elsewhere.
Of your other names:
Most of the Gales are from Poorstock (Powerstock) which is just a few miles away from North Poorton so I thought a full list may be of use:
Gale, Edward, Poorstock - W. and A. 1766
Gale, Lydia, Poorstock - 1726
Gale, Richard, Porstock - A. 1743
Gale, Richard the younger, Poorstock - 1743
Gale, Robert, Chaldon West - 1793
Gale, Samuel - ----
Gale, Thomas, Bryanston - A. 1770
Gale, Lyonel, ---- - 10 1670
Gale, Richard, Poorstock - 22 1735
Gale, Thomas, Powerstock - 46 1750
Gale, Bernard, Dorchester - 22 1786
Gale, Elizabeth, Dorchester - 18 1792
Gale, William, Dorchester - 20 1677
Gale, Henry, Poorstock -33 1679
Gale, Mary, Wooton Fitzpaine - 93 1707
Gale, John, Senr., Powerstock - 31 1734
Gale, Thomas, Powerstock - 32 1747
Gale, Jane, Poorstock - 17 1758
Gale, James, Wooton Abbas - 47 1762
Gale, John Senr., Bradpole - 4 1764
Gale, Richard, Winterborne Monkton - 10 1789
I'll post again with Chubb and Chick.
Paul
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Hi Trudy,
There are no Chubb wills within a 5-mile radius of Allington. I would suggest, if you find some particular names and dates of death, post again and I'll have another look. There are certainly less Chubbs than Gales.
There are just a few Chicks:
Chick, Joseph, Ship "Namin" - 9 1705
Chick, Absalom, Walditch - 52 1709
Chick, Charles, Drimpton in Broadwindsor - 20 1709
Chicke, John, East Stoke - 1688
Do let us know if any of these are of interest.
Paul
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Paul,
Could you help us again please. We are looking for POOK who lived in Allington by 1680 and were there until at least 1725.
Thank you
Trudy
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(I think the Evershot CHUBBs aren't yours but I am very curious as to why they all appear to have died simultaneously!)
The 1831 Beaminster will of Wm CHUBB was on Dorset opc and was very helpful in sorting out who was not 'one of ours'.
The other 3 CHUBBs of Evershot, all granted administration in 1851, probably indicated that 2 died before the 3rd and named that survivor as their executor, but the executor didn't apply for admin, leaving it as 'unfinished business' for his/her own executors. Hence all 3 Admins applied for at roughly the same time. There could be many years between death and admin being granted or will proved. Very frustrating when searching for same!
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Hi Trudy,
What a lovely name!! :)
Pook, Alice, Monckton - 1702
Pook, Thomas, Dorchester - 14 1776
Pook, James, Dorchester - 29 1780
Pook, William, Wareham - 42 1783
Pooke, William, Wint. Wast - 56 1664
Pooke, John, ---- - 61 1670
Pooke, William, Blandford - 2 1672
Pooke, William, Cheddington - 12 1672
Pooke, William, Galton in Owermoigne - 23 1672
Pooke, James, Dorchester - 34 1741
Pook, William, Cheddington - 24 1672
Pook, Elizabeth, Winterborne Monkton - 77 1676
Pook, Leonard, Blandfrd - 5 1676
Pook, William, Bincome - 5 1689
Pook, Leonard, Blandford - 3 1693
Pook, Thomas, Puddletown - 56 1695
Again some repeat years.
Paul
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Hi Trudy,
There was until 3yrs ago a Chubbs Nursery in Poole.
Also our next door neighbours wife her maiden name is Pook
marcie
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There was a Chubbs Nursery in Poole until about 3 yrs ago.
Also our next door neighbours wife maiden name was Pook
marcie
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There was a Chubb nursery in Poole until 3 yrs ago
Also our next dor neighbours wife s maiden name was pook
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There was a Chubb nursery in Poole until 3 yrs ago
Also our next dor neighbours wife s maiden name was pook
There are definitely a lot of Chubb's out there. The pook name seems to be more rare. Does your next door neighbors wife know anything about her family history?
Trudy
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Dear Paul & Angela,
Thank you both for all the information. We now have enough information to keep us busy for a good long while.
Trudy
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Hi Trudy,
Would you like me to ask her, next time I see her.
marcie
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Pook is rather rare, but not as rare as I had expected. The ONS site Surnames of England and Wales lists 1396 instances in 2002.
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Pook is rather rare, but not as rare as I had expected. The ONS site Surnames of England and Wales lists 1396 instances in 2002.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to know that they were all from Dorset?
Paul
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Hi Trudy,
Would you like me to ask her, next time I see her.
marcie
Yes please
Trudy
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Trying hard not to breach the "living persons" rule, I used to be involved in motorsport in Dorset and knew a couple of Pooks. If you google "Woolbridge Motor Club", their President may be of interest - if you then google him, you can watch YouTube clips of him driving up Shelsley Walsh. I also knew his cousin who lived near Blandford in the 70s - I'm not sure they knew each other until they met at a car event.
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After I moved to Dorset I found that my ancestors had in fact originated here. They moved from Wiltshire before 1642. I have now traced how they moved from Somerset to Lincolnshire, but the only thing I still have to do is confirm the parents of my 2XGGF, then I can move on with my research.
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I did speak to Margaret Spiller who has ownership for the Guild of One-Name Studies for Pook and she stated:
"The Dorset Pook families are quite difficult to sort out as there is no
clear pattern or obvious place of origin as there is for most of the
Devon families. The surname Pook is much more common in Devon and I
think it likely that many of the Dorset Pooks migrated from Devon and
possibly returned there."
Trudy
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May I ask if one of you could be kind enough to check on your Dorset wills list for my FRY ancestors? They lived in the villages of Iwerne Minster, Shillingstone,Tarrant Gunville, and thereabouts. I have located some will refs. for 17thC, but am sadly lacking for the 18thC, especially up to 1750 which is where my research is stuck.I do hope that fire hasn't taken the lot!
Any help gratefully received,
M
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Pook is rather rare, but not as rare as I had expected. The ONS site Surnames of England and Wales lists 1396 instances in 2002.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to know that they were all from Dorset?
Paul
This post hadn't registered with me Paul until today; the 2002 information on the ONS website only gives the total number of instances in England and Wales, not by location. By the date I expect it is extracted from the 2001 census, so there should be another (and final?) update available in 2012.
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Hi M,
Frys from: Iwerne Minster, Shillingstone,Tarrant Gunville
Fry, Julian, Iwerne Minster - 21 1662
Fry, Francis, Iwerne MInster - 29 1670
Fry, John, Tarrant Gunville - 41 1694
Fry, Simon, Iwerne Minster - 25 1718
Fry, Robert, Iwerne Minster - 59 1684
Paul
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Many thanks,Paul.
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Hi M
I know this is a bit after the date you wanted. but the FRYs in 1821-1858 Wills and Administrations are -
FRY Charles - 1847 May - Whitechurch Canonicorum - W 401 Yeoman
FRY Daniel - 1856 Mar - Chardstock - A Labourer
FRY Henry - 1839 Nov - Stock Gaylard - W 685 Yeoman
FRY James - 1844 May - Iwerne Minster - W 377 Yeoman
FRY John - 1854 Dec - Lytchett Matravers - W 913 Yeoman
FRY John - 1852 May - Blandford Forum - A Bachelor
FRY Mary - 1830 Oct - Bishops Caundle - W 601 Widow
FRY Samuel - 1853 Jul - Allington - W 533 Blacksmith
FRY William - 1830 Jun - Wimborne Minster - W 371 Woodman
FRY William - 1831 Jul - Wimborne Minster - W Woodman Will regd 1830 - 371
Angela
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Hi
If anyone has access to an index to Dorset wills could they do a look for me please?
I am after any BENNETT entries in the Pimperne/Tarrant Monkton, Tarrant Launceston parishes.
I am especially interested in any will anywhere for Simon BENNETT.
Many thanks :D
Linda
New Zealand
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Hi Linda
Bennett, John, Tarrant Monckton - 40 1755
No sign of a Simon anywhere I'm afraid.
Paul
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Hi Linda
I've had a look in the 1821 to 1858 index and no Bennetts in any of those parishes and no Simon anywhere in Dorset. What period were you particularly looking at?
Angela
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Hi Angela & Paul,
Many thanks for your prompt replies to my query. I have two Bennett families on my tree.
One family I have back to Edward Bennett who was buried in Broad Chalke, Wiltshire in 1631, where he came from prior to that I don't know. It would be nice to link him back to the Bennett's of Pytthouse, but much work needs to be done before I can do that.
The other family is back to a Simon Bennett who married Eleanor Harvey in 1728 at Pimperne. They had one son, William, at Tarrant Gunville. There is a Simon Bennett being christened at Tarrant Monckton to a John & Frances Bennett in 1740, plus a William having children there as well at around the same time. Therefore I wondered if John, William & Simon were brothers, but can't seem to find where any of them came from.
Hence my appeal for help to see if any of them left wills. I think I may need to get a copy of the John Bennett will of 1755, just to see what he has to say for himself! Oh for a day in Wiltshire Record office!! :)
Once again many thanks for your help.
Linda
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Opps should have said "Oh for a day in Wiltshire Record Office and another day in Dorset Record Office".
Linda
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... and another day in Dorset Record Office ...
I think I'd need at least a week. :) I hope we have been of help.
Paul
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Many thanks for your help.
Happy New Years to all on Rootschat.
Linda
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Hi
I am looking for wills pre 1700 for either Crisday, Cresday, Crisde, Crisdie or Cresdee can you help?
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Hi psusennes,
Not pre-1700 but close:
Crisde, Samuel, Dorchester - 17 1718
Crisde, Samuel, Tinkleton - 61 1737
Sorry - that's it.
Paul
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Many thanks Paul.
Do you know of anyone who can translate these two wills, i have managed about 60% but there are some words that have just got me beat.
Psusennes
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You should get loads of help here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,425.0.html
These people are amazing and they enjoy the practice.
Paul
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Hi
I was hoping that you could do a look-up on wills for me for any of the following in the Dorset area; Foot/ Poore/ Barrow.
Many thanks
Em
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Hi Em,
I am so sorry for missing your post.
Foot, Nicholas, Sturminster Newton - 1719
Foot, Robert, Iwerne Minster - A. 1721
Foote, Margaret, Buckland Newton - 1686
Foot, John, East Stoke - 36 1736
Foot, Ann, Iwerne Minster - 44 1736
Foot, William, East Stoke - 19 1743
Foot, Rich., Charlton Marshall - 14 1774
Foot, Mary, widow, Cranborne - 9 1782
Foot, James, Shaston - 35 1783
Foot, Mary, widow, Turnworh - 63 1785
Foot, William, Mappowder - 17 1788
Foote, William, Fifehead Neville - 23 1695
Foot, John, Okeford Fitzpaine - 21 1710
Foot, Peter, H.M.S. "Carcase," Bomb - 46 1748 :o
Foot, William, Cranborne - 12 1751
Foot, William, Fontmell Magna - 15 1751
Foot, John, Fontmell Magna - 13 1762
Foot, Mary, Surminster Newton - 21 1781
Foot, Robert, Buckland Newton - 5 1783
Foot, John, Okeford Fitzpaine - 54 1691
29 Foot, Henry Granted:30 Mar., 1774 Proved:13 Jan., 1775 - Grantee:William, Father
Pottle, Richard - 23 Jan., 1737 - William Pottle, Edward Miles, John Foot, Benjamin Pollard
63 Sadler als. Jeanes, Henry, Wooland - Inventory only taken 2 June, 1726, by Wm. Kidel, Nicholas Stayner and William Foot. Exhibited at Blandford, 4 June, 1726
I'll get back to you on the others.
Let me know if you are interested in an area or a date range.
Paul
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Hi Paul
Was wondering if you had any Wills for name Denziloe?
My Denziloe's come from Bridport, Netherbury, Allington.
Will keep fingers crossed
Joy
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Hello Joy
Hopefully, Paul will be able to do better for you, but in the index for 1821 to 1858 for Dorset, there's not a single Denziloe (or similar)
Really sorry about that
Regards
Angela
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Hi Joy,
Having never heard of the name I expected nothing too but ...
Baily als. Denziloe, Mary, Bridport - 7 1694
she is also indexed as Denziloe als. Bayly with the same reference.
Paul
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Hi Paul & Angela,
Thanks very much for the look up my Denziloe's where grocers and wine merchants in West St. Bridport.
Joy :)
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Amongst the Dorset Wills that have recently uploaded on ancestry:
Will of William Denziloe als Denslow of Bridport, Butcher, 1753
Inventory of Thomas Denselow (actually looks like Denzelow) als Bayley of Marshwood, Yeoman 1690
Will of Hannah Denisloe of Bridport, widow 1727
Inventory of John Denslow of Bridport, Butcher, 1723
Will of John Dinziloe of Bridport, Butcher, 1734 (actually indexed Dingiloe)
They are all images of the original documents.
The one Paul has mentioned doesn't appear on a search but they may not have the original document or it's been wrongly indexed which a number have, particularly administrations.
Nicola
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Hi Nicola,
Thanks for that will take a look to see how or if they fit into my Denziloe line.
Joy
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That is interesting Nicola. Did you notice the same alias between my Mary Denziloe alias Bayley and your Thomas Denselow alias Bayley?
Paul
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Couldn't find the Mary you mentioned under either name, it's possible if it was an Administration that they've indexed it incorrectly under one of the people it was granted to. Unfortunately there seems to have been a lot of that for the Dorset Probate records on there.
Nicola
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I would be interested to know if you have any wills relating to any of the below names in the Dorset area:
John Pavey
John Long Bramble
John Bramble
Mary Bramble
The area I would be interested in would be 1790 – 1850, any wills from this time period with these names would be of great interest to me.
Any help you could provide would be greatly received!
Thanks.
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Well, I only have an index to the wills from 1821 to 1858 - you need Paul for the earlier ones.
The only Paveys I have are :-
Elizabeth - 1851 Oct - Thorncombe - W 810 - Spinster
Elizabeth/Betty 1822 June - Weymouth & Melc. Reg - A - Spinster
Phoebe - 1835 Jul - Lyme Regis - W 445 - Spinster
Samuel - 1843 May - Stockland - W 349
But I do have a Bramble that might match -
BRAMBLE Mary - 1826 Sep - West Farley - W 476 - Widow
Hope this helps
Regards
Angela
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Thanks for your help, I think West Farley is way too far away to be the Mary Bramble I am looking for as she was born, raised and buried in Lyme Regis. So if you don’t have a will index for a John Bramble in Lyme Regis is that to say that there never was a will/been lost forever or do you know of any other avenues I could go down?
Thanks again :)
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What time frame are you thinking of for your John Bramble?
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I have no exact year of death which makes this harder, I think it would be between 1825-1845.
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That's unfortunate :( If there was a will, in that time frame, it would have been in the index...
It looks awfully like there may have been no will and also not enough money to make it worth doing letters of administration either.... sorry
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I would be interested to know if you have any wills relating to any of the below names in the Dorset area:
John Pavey
John Long Bramble
John Bramble
Mary Bramble
The area I would be interested in would be 1790 – 1850, any wills from this time period with these names would be of great interest to me.
Any help you could provide would be greatly received!
Thanks.
I've had a look on the index to the images on Ancestry and none of these appear, however the indexing is a bit abysmal as has been previously mentioned as administrations are indexed under the name of the first person it was granted too rather than the deceased. Unfortunately the pre-1812 Dorset parish registers that ancestry put online last week are about as bad and, as has been mentioned on other Rootschat postings, many of the images are muddled amongst the wrong parishes. ::) Hopefully they will revisit and resolve at some point.
Nicola
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Dear Paul Caswell,
Could you please look up an Edward Marshfield (his caleneder will is stated as Steeple 31 1757) any information would be appreciated.
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Dear Paul Caswell,
Could you please look up an Edward Marshfield (his caleneder will is stated as Steeple 31 1757) any information would be appreciated.
The Will is available on ancestry.co.uk (indexed as Edward Marsfield) and the details are the same as rjknott posted for you on this thread - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,583822.msg4363928.html#msg4363928. Edward does not mention his children by name, only that they receive the residual of his estate after his wife has received an 8th of it for her personal use. His brother William Marshfield is described as a labourer from Coombe. As well as his father and brother, his friend William Cockeram of East Lulworth cordwainer is appointed his Executor.
Your local library may well have free access to the library edition of ancestry.co.uk, or you could take a free trial, if you wish to see the full details.
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Hi chacha,
Smudwhisk is right, all I have is the reference you gave (Marshfield, Edward, Steeple - 31 - 1757).
There is also another Marshfield will, a Wm., Dorchester - 22 - 1747 in case you are interested.
Paul
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Hello,
I would be very greatful if someone could tell me if you find any Sedunary/Sedenary/Sedenari wills. After 1805. Possible names are Ann, Joseph or Guiseppe, and Judith.
Thank You for offering to help!
Tennille.
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Hello Tennille
I couldn't find any names like that, or even that might sound like that, in the 1821 to 1858 Wills index. Sorry about that, but Paul may have some references in his earlier set.
Regards
Angela
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Hi Tennile,
None from my list either. Sorry.
Paul
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Hi Angela and Paul,
Thank You both very much for looking for me. It was a long shot... one big brick wall still stands! ;)
Regards,
Tennille.
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Hi,
I am trying to send you a Personal Message re: Wernhams'. But, you need to make 3 posts before anyone can PM you..
Kind Regards
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No sign I'm afraid. :( With or without the PM.
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Seems not Paul. Maybe Raw666 will look soon.
Debbie