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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: BonWifi on Wednesday 28 May 08 21:39 BST (UK)
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Hello all
I have been working on a different branch of the family and hit that yucky brick wall thing.
I'm looking for Joseph Cook b. 1884 m. in Du-Bois, PA, USA 23 Nov 1910
d. in the USA 21 Dec 1924. his wife is Annie Beal
His father James Cook and mother Harriet.
Really have no idea where in England he was but I seem to remember that he was from the same place she was, Yorkshire. I found this one.
Is there anyway to find his parent. It seems if I buy every Joseph Cook birth certificate, I find I will go broke fast. :)
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Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
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Cook Joseph Pontefract 9c 111
Thank you for any help
Bonnie
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Hi Bonnie :)
A good idea is to check the 1891 England census for a Joseph COOK with parents James and Harriet. There's one at ref: RG12/3874/21/1
He was born about 1885 in Cowick, Yorkshire, and the family lives at Beevers Bridge, Cowick. Father James is a General Labourer born Cowick around 1862, and mum Harriet was born Rawcliffe around 1863. Siblings are Hannah, Sarah, Edith and Walter.
Hope that helps :D
Cheers
Prue
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Thank you it seems to fit. I think I will get the death certificate to see if it had more info to cross check. Your help was very good. :)
Thank You very much.
Bonnie
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Prue
If you notice this. Would you check the 1891 census a couple of houses either side of the Cook family to see if Thomas Beal is a neighbours. In 1901 they are. In 1901 Census RG13/4425/23/1 They live next door to each other. It looks like He married the girl next door. Thanks for checking.
Bonnie
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hello
just checked 1891 and no beals living next door .
looked at next 6 pages an nothing yet.
will try find where they are and will be back soon
lee
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hello again
although not living next door they are in surrounding area.
children are sarah ann 1876, ada alice 1881,annie1885,mary lilly 1887 andthomas henry 1889.
they are living at beaghall kellington not far away.
will look for these families on 1881 and post later.
lee
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Wow thanks Lee.
By todays standers they all lived close together. I have to stop and think about how it might have been to get around back then. Foot power mostly I guess. Finding the Cook and Beal family so close together in 1901 was like the sun came up. My mine raced about how Grandma and Granddad met and all that. :)
Thanks again Lee
Bonnie
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Bonnie, great that you seem to have an answer there and that's real progress.
May I suggest that the rule of looking up and down the street at the neighbours and then branching out a bit to surrounding streets etc can often be very productive. Check out the neighbours. Another thing I've learned from reading abt 19th C England in the porrer parts of town is that people often moved house within their area- maybe to get a cheaper rent, maybe to try to avoid a landlord to whom they owed money- flitting at night, maybe to get premises closer to a new job- probably a factory of mill and so on.
Good hunting,
charlotte
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Thanks to all for all your great help.
I have been able to trace Granddad Joseph Cook to his father James Cook. I have James in 1891 and 1881 census. I fine 1871 census, he is a 10 year old son born Cowick Yorkshie, registration district Goole, Sub. Reg. distract Snaith, ED 2 Household schedule number 27.
Now I need to see the others in the household. Would someone check and let me know who else is listed? I have also found a birth registration for James Cook it says 1861 Jun Goole 9c 539. It would be great to find the next generation back.
Thanks again for all your help.
Bonnie
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hello
on 1871 there is joseph cook b1800 sarah b 1801 and james 1861.
next door is george cook 1800 and daughter elizabeth 1834.
looking on 61 now and will post in a bit.
lee
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Thank you very much Lee
I see they like to pass first names on and on.
Gets a bit confusing some times.
I'm hoping James(1861) was born before the census was taking :)
No one in my family has gone back this far :)
Uncharted waters so to speak :)
This is wonderful
Bonnie
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hello
i too am hoping he was born pre census although if not at least we can see what grandparents were up to in 61.
are u going to be online for a while
lee
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Sorry to be a pest but Joseph Cook would be 61 and Sarah would be 60 and having childred. Just doesn't seem right. Unless James was a grandson.
Really confusing :)
Bonnie
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sorry
he is the grandson on census.
his grandparents were joseph cook and sarah arnold married 19/4/1824 at snaith.
think i am on to which of their children was james parent but just checking through at moment.
lee
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hello
got joseph on 1851 census
joseph cook 1801
sarah 1802
james 1825
ann 1830
louisa 1834
aquilla 1839.
marg arnold b 1767 who i presume will be sarahs mum.
lee
all in cowick by the way.
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hello
they are there in cowick on 1841,joseph is an innkeeper children the same but ann missing ,maybe she visiting relatives .
children of aquilla cook all seem to be on igi,cant find james cook b1825 marrying or on census.
maybe james was son of louisa or ann.
lee
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Lee
This is all so very nice. I'm looking at what you have giving me and re-reading it, to get it all streight. Thank you so much.
Bonnie
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Lee
marg arnold b 1867 who i presume will be sarahs mum.
Date doesn't work just right.
Bonnie
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I have found a James Cook married Jun quarter 1847 in goole 23 143 But I have no idea if I'm on track or not freebmd.rootsweb.com . I have no clue who is wife might be. Having someone helping or at least interested make the hunting all the more fun. Thanks Lee and all.
Bonnie
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Hi Bonnie,
I'm a bit confused (should be asleep but it's too warm here tonight).
Which James are you looking for?
I think the 1847 might possibly be a red herring, as there are too many on the page and another very similar transcription for Poole so may just be mistransciption of a very badly faded page.
The 1862 James who married Harriet and had Joseph in 1885, would be more likely:
James Cook 1883q3 in Goole 9c 925
There is a Harriett Moore on the same page.
Sorry, if I'm looking for the wrong James
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If it's the 1825 James we're looking for, there is also a marriage in Goole in:
1855q4 ref 9c 711
with possible brides Ann Loverack or Harriet Longbones.
or 1854q4 ref 9c 763
possible brides Mary Ann Searby or Ann Shipley
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Please don't be sorry. The James you found is the James I want. I found him in 1901, 1891, 1881. Then in 1871 he turns up as a 10 year old grandson of Joseph Cook. I was hoping to sort out his parents. Lee found the Grand Dad's kids so I started working from the Grand Dad end. I noticed that Joseph only seemed to have one son. That son was named James. If your not confused by all this, I sure am. :)
As I figure it Young men get married at or after 21years of age. I took the son (James) of Joseph worked out the age and did a search give or take a few years. That was how I got the James in the FreeBMD.
But you maybe very right Poole, Goole and faded pages are making it all a bit difficult.
Yes not it is time for me to try to sleep also. I'm in the USA and it is hot here also.
Thanks for your help and interest.
Bonnie
I must have been sleepy I thought I posted this late last night
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hello bonnie
my mistake with marg arnold should read 1767 that she was born.
looks to me as if james was born after 61 census was taken.
at least we know his grandparents were joseph cook b1800 and sarah arnold b1802.
we know joseph only had 2 sons james 1825 and aquilla b1839.
going to have to check up on the james born 1825 and see where he goes after 1851.
will post later
lee
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hello again
cant seem to find anything on james cook b1825 after the 1851 census.
i have a suspicion that james b1861 is going to be the son of one of the daughters.
worth sending for birth cert to be positve.
lee
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Aquilla is a guy type? Ok :) I wouldn't have guessed that. I will try to do some hunting on him too.
Thank you :)
Bonnie
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hello
have already looked at aquilla and dont think he is the father of james.
aquilla married sarah ann axup in 1858.
they had a daughter born 1861 so would discount him as father of james.
lee
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Ok seems like the next step is as Lee said a birth certificate for James(1861) . Now I really feel dumb ;) The last certificate I ordered came from Lincolnshire. They has a website just for that. I have been gooling looking for a Yorkshire website. Is there one?
Bonnie
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Ok took me a while but I have the birth certificate order for James (1861) Cook. Fingers crossed it is the correct one.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/ that is where I ordered it from :)
Now the hard part is waiting the few days for it to get here.
Thank you all for your excellent help and support.
Bonnie
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Just in case anyone is wondering, James Cook(1861) birth certificate came today.
There is no father listed. His mother is Louisa Cook. With a few quick searches I located her marriage in 1863.
A couple years after James was born.
That explains why the grandparents had James. Well maybe it did.
Anyway I found a marriage for Louisa Cook Mar 1863 Goole 9c 629. The odd thing is that the page shows 2 women and one man.
Thanks again for your help with all of this.
Bonnie
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hello
marriage was to james lambert.
1871
james lambert 1842 nottinghamshire head
louisa wife b 1837 cowick
john thomas 1867 cowick
emma 1864
edith 1869 living at rothwell.
1881
louisa widow b 1834 cowick,
john t 1867
edith 1869
and sally b1876.
living with family is ann riddington widow b1831 cowick .
this would be louisas sister.
1891louisa and ann still living in cowick/snaith alone.
1901
george henry abbot 1876 head malta
sally wife 1876 cowick
nina 1900 cowick
john hawkshaw abbot 1901 cowick
ann cook aunt b1830
louisa lambert mother in law 1834.
ann riddington reverted back to cook by now.
at least you know now how james mother got on later in life.
lee
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Lee
Your a marval. I have been looking and looking. Then you have found it all. Thank you so much. It is alway interesting to know where and what people did. Great stuff.
Thank you so much
Bonnie
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well done Lee, agree with Bonnie that it's amazing what a combined effort on rootschat will produce- if only I could find my Thomas Hargreaves in WRY.. that's dreaming on and it' s off topic. soory about that.
charlotte
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There is always on more thing to find :) Hope I find Adam soon ;)
James Cook (b 1861) I have his birth cert. shows no father and mother is Louisa Cook.
He turns up in 1871 census living with his Grandfather at age 10.
In 1881 census James (b 1861) is work on a farm.
In 1891 James(b 1861) has a wife Harriet and 5 children: Hannah, Louisa, Joseph, Edith and Walter.
In 1901 The family is found in Beever's Bridge. James and Harriet with Hannah, a son named James that is the same age as the Walter ten years before. Also there is Marg Arnold. She maybe Harriet mother.
Now comes the question, How long did James (b 1861) live? Where is the best place to fine his death record? I have been looking at the UK BMD searchable records. No luck. I have been all the way up to 1961 which would have made him 100 years old. :) I know I have just missed him some how.
Bonnie
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Your Louisa Cook looks to be the same one who married my ancestor James Lambert in 1863. At the time of their marriage, she had the following children, James Cook(e) born about 1861, Sophia Cook(e) born about 1857 and Joseph or John Cook(e) born about 1855. I found this info on an old legal document. If you google Louisa Lambert, Snaith and Cowick, removal document, Clark & Co. solicitors, you should be able to find it. Or, you can search Louisa Lambert in the archives at www.eastriding.gov.uk I know this is quite a while since your last posting but you may find this of interest. I believe all 3 children were born out of wedlock. She went on to have at least 4 more children with James Lambert.
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Yes it looks like we are connected. Glad you found my post. Sorry I was so long getting back to you. I was on holiday when your mail arrived. Just found it again.
Bonnie